Massage Parlor Reports

[QUOTE=AreaGentleman;4165364]No, not [i]that[/i] kind (.)(.). The bad kind. I'd be interested in opinions from you guys out there with legal expertise. Will post this on several other boards around state.

Presumably, the mega-wealthy Kraft has the best legal team money can buy. Is it possible that local authorities are having an "Oh Shit!" experience as they conjure up the possibility of facing a high-powered legal onslaught? Maybe not. But, with thousand dollar per hour (or whatever they get) people figuring out ways to overcome this clusterfuck for their guy, is it conceivable that a determination would be made that the whole thing gets thrown out due to citizen privacy rights getting trampled, extreme bias or other factors (which I know nothing about)? And if that were the case, could it result in the opposite of intended effect by making it less likely that LE would execute similar operations? Maybe even make it unconstitutional to bug a massage therapy client room? It would be pretty amazing if LE landed a fish so big that it sinks their boat.

-AG.[/QUOTE]I agree with the fact that Kraft may not face anything or get any time or penalty with all the lawyers he has. That reminds me of a thing that happened to me when living back in Chicago. A friend of mine was President of an oil company back then which was owned by the Crown family, who I believe owned or still is a part of Waste Manegment. We got to talking about taxes and I said yeah but you guys never pay any taxes. To which he replied, "Yeah because we have 2 floors of the best attorneys around to make sure we don't. ".

"it could be anywhere from two to five (human trafficking victims).

Investigators seized between $180,000 and $200,000.

Overall officials are in the process of seizing more than $2 million in assets.

[QUOTE=Richbal;4168094]"it could be anywhere from two to five (human trafficking victims).

Investigators seized between $180,000 and $200,000.

Overall officials are in the process of seizing more than $2 million in assets.[/QUOTE]Sheriff could have accomplished this back in November. The only reason to let the trafficking continue was for the headlines at the cost many reputations. I hear Kraft has hired Roy Black. If anyone can expose ulterior motives, he is the best. Stay tuned.

[QUOTE=ScottyM3;4164084]Well if LEO used their own camera's it's quite easy actually to put them in a room. When I go to Zen, and others, I go in, pay the door fee, then the girl leaves the room to give mamasan the money. In that short of time I'm sure they could possibly get their own camera installed in a short time. Or they hacked in to the spa's camera system. As far as making a deal with the owners for use of their cams, I kind of doubt that as many owners were "reported" arrested. But hey, we'll never really know.[/QUOTE]Actually, we may find out. When there are criminal charges, the defense does a discovery demand. The prosecutor has to give the defense all the information. A good defense lawyer would also ask for Stingray info. Fed govt will insist the case be dismissed rather than let cities disclose it was used.

[QUOTE=Otto22;4143090]I am a fairly regular client of Ronnie and I have seen and experienced her clit. It is evident but no where near 1" long, even when most excited. I would not take a wide angle camera to capture it in full. The thing about Ronnie, however, is how hard she cums. It is explosive![/QUOTE]Visited her yesterday for an hour visit. Remembered to take the shower! She is a big woman but nicely proportional! Started with massage, not bad except for all the conversations about concentration camps for homeless and various conspiracies. After a good 30 minutes of talk and massage, got to main event. BBBJ was good and except for some DATY, finished quite satisfied. Clean incall, a pleasant woman and a bargain at 100 Mario's. Would recommend, but probably will not repeat since its a long drive for me from Indian River County and the bizarre conversations are a little too much for me.

[QUOTE=OutForStroll;4170417]Actually, we may find out. When there are criminal charges, the defense does a discovery demand. The prosecutor has to give the defense all the information. A good defense lawyer would also ask for Stingray info. Fed govt will insist the case be dismissed rather than let cities disclose it was used.[/QUOTE]The police created a fake bomb scare to vacate the building for several hours while they installed the cameras. [URL]https://www.salemnews.com/news/local_news/affidavit-tells-how-video-placed-kraft-in-sex-spa/article_c8f0c510-4b39-5ead-90df-a8f91cd88107.html[/URL].

[QUOTE=Willie24;4171429]Visited her yesterday for an hour visit. Remembered to take the shower! She is a big woman but nicely proportional! Started with massage, not bad except for all the conversations about concentration camps for homeless and various conspiracies. After a good 30 minutes of talk and massage, got to main event. BBBJ was good and except for some DATY, finished quite satisfied. Clean incall, a pleasant woman and a bargain at 100 Mario's. Would recommend, but probably will not repeat since its a long drive for me from Indian River County and the bizarre conversations are a little too much for me.[/QUOTE]Where is she located?

Is she in a condo and used to live in Indianatlantic? I saw a gal in Cape Canaveral a while back but don't remember her name.

All these threads across the State are flooded with 'talk' about the activities down south. Many are talking about the demise of many of our favorite shops do to. Well fear seems to be the dominate theme. There are a few things we can do to keep the 'fires' from dying out. Right now the risk of partaking in any extended 'menu' is somewhat risky but that isn't going to keep me from visiting my favorites. I just plan to decline the more and settle for less. My suggestion to those shops is to ride this out. Give a good rub, maybe a good 'tease' but nothing more. Accept our tips for service and be patient. You will still get paid and when things relax the 'business model' can change for the better.

This article has a distinctly different tone than 9 days ago. Maybe the prosecution is having trouble building a case?

[URL]https://www.tcpalm.com/story/news/crime/martin-county/2019/02/27/florida-human-trafficking-martin-county-sheriff-spa-busts/2993803002/[/URL]

I'm way up north in Cleveland, Ohio. I was down in Vero and Ft. Pierce the first week and a half of Feb fishing, treasure hunting and fucking around. Had a great time for the most part, didn't catch many fish. Anyway, I was lucky to avoid the spa problem. I have yet to see an article that mentions any LEO getting warrants for the cameras. And for the life of me I can't see how anyone could slip cameras into these places without someone noticing, especially if they claim people were living there. I know they can be quite tiny, but usually those pinhole cameras have to be mounted in a wall or some object. Even though the cameras are small they still have to be attached to a battery and antenna or wired to a recorder, so there is some volume there. And someone has to be relatively nearby to pick up the recordings if they are transmitted by ultrasmall equipment. Seems to me like the owners of these spas or an employee must have been complicit in the installation of these cameras. I could, of course, be wrong. And by the way, night vision cameras usually have some source of infrared light to pick up images that are really clear. Thermal cameras that small wouldn't give recognizably clear pics I don't think.

Cheech.

The only silver lining here is Robert Kraft got caught. He doesn't lose often in life at any cost so he will get the best and brightest defense lawyers which will probably help the entire bunch of John's arrested. Privacy will be an issue here especially concerning cameras placed in the rooms without proper procedures followed like signed court warrants. I have faith that Mr Kraft will resolve this entire bungled operation. These are Gestapo tactics that definitely have to be vetted for legalities. I cannot believe the pillory the John's have been subjected too with their pictures and names and ages all over the papers. This whole thing makes no sense to me and is totally wrong IMO.

[QUOTE=BrevardNewbie;4173004]The only silver lining here is Robert Kraft got caught. He doesn't lose often in life at any cost so he will get the best and brightest defense lawyers which will probably help the entire bunch of John's arrested. Privacy will be an issue here especially concerning cameras placed in the rooms without proper procedures followed like signed court warrants. I have faith that Mr Kraft will resolve this entire bungled operation. These are Gestapo tactics that definitely have to be vetted for legalities. I cannot believe the pillory the John's have been subjected too with their pictures and names and ages all over the papers. This whole thing makes no sense to me and is totally wrong IMO.[/QUOTE]Like the rest of us here, I would love to see everyone get out from under these charges. But where do you get bungled? The cameras were installed after getting approval from the Nineteenth Judicial Circuit Court.

[QUOTE=DougStamper;4173170]Like the rest of us here, I would love to see everyone get out from under these charges. But where do you get bungled? The cameras were installed after getting approval from the Nineteenth Judicial Circuit Court.[/QUOTE][URL]https://nypost.com/2019/02/28/how-patriots-owner-robert-kraft-could-get-off-in-prostitution-case/[/URL]

Stay away from massage matters, had a dream I swung by. Out of place white van purposely meant to look run down with back windows propped open. Looks like this place is being watched. Who knows I'm maybe wrong but with all the activity out there I'm not taking the chance and I don't want to see anyone else ruined. Looks like zen spa has a sign outside their door and is shut down. Stay safe.

Was passing by the AMP across from the Church is Cocoa Beach. I think it's called Sunrise and they were closed for business and looked like they were moving out. Loading stuff in a van with a trailer. I was headed somewhere so I couldn't swing around and check, but it could be a sign of the times. If there is indeed human trafficking going on, I'm glad things are shutting down, but otherwise?

My question is whether the conditions in the numerous Korean nail salons beachside are the same. I mean these girls work in pretty bad conditions and most appear to be new to the country. I think that's probably a high turnover low earnings cash business like an AMP, where the workers are exploited.

[QUOTE=JSunSurf;4177616]Was passing by the AMP across from the Church is Cocoa Beach. I think it's called Sunrise and they were closed for business and looked like they were moving out. Loading stuff in a van with a trailer. I was headed somewhere so I couldn't swing around and check, but it could be a sign of the times. If there is indeed human trafficking going on, I'm glad things are shutting down, but otherwise?

My question is whether the conditions in the numerous Korean nail salons beachside are the same. I mean these girls work in pretty bad conditions and most appear to be new to the country. I think that's probably a high turnover low earnings cash business like an AMP, where the workers are exploited.[/QUOTE]I called Sunrise and they are still open. Across from the church is Massage Heaven and their business has been slow for some time.

Is sunrise a good place to go and be satisfied when leaving.

It used to be. For the last few years, I used to leave very happy, (for a AMP) But my last two trips (late last year) my girl wore pants and shirt. That never came off, didn't allow roaming and kept just out of reach. Still got an HE but was pretty cold. Same thing happend at Asiana, so I don't know what's going on.

Has anyone seen this woman, she advertises on Skip the Games? I might see her later next week and would appreciate any info if possible. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Willie24;4184633]Has anyone seen this woman, she advertises on Skip the Games? I might see her later next week and would appreciate any info if possible. Thanks.[/QUOTE]I have seen her several times over the last year or so. She really enjoys what she does, her place is easy to get to, she has a room set just for massages, extra clean and she makes sure your comfortable. Don't expect full service, but you'll leave happy. She seems to be fascinated with the male anatomy and it shows in the session. She offers a lot of options, just not full service, she can be surprising creative.

Soup.

[QUOTE=Willie24;4184633]Has anyone seen this woman, she advertises on Skip the Games? I might see her later next week and would appreciate any info if possible. Thanks.[/QUOTE]I saw Krys several times three or four years ago. She lived in Palm Bay and had a nice setup in her 'Serenity Room'. It was built for S&M activities which I'm not crazy about, but the massage table was quite comfortable. She was fun to communicate with and reliable about setting up meeting times. She had / has a beautiful body with b breasts which had hard nipples when aroused and a sexy, slim ass. At the times I saw her she had a girlfriend and would only provide a HE which BTW was the best I've had from any masseuse. I kept trying for more, but wasn't successful. If she looks the same and has changed her menu, I would see her tomorrow! Good luck if you decide to see her.

Saw a person walking out the door yesterday. No idea if it was a client or what. Plenty of cars in the parking lot. Neon sign was turned off. IDK if the place is undergoing renovations or if the place is closed down. Never drove up to see the note posted on the door.

If anyone knows exactly what is going on there, please share.

[QUOTE=SoupBean;4184817]I have seen her several times over the last year or so. She really enjoys what she does, her place is easy to get to, she has a room set just for massages, extra clean and she makes sure your comfortable. Don't expect full service, but you'll leave happy. She seems to be fascinated with the male anatomy and it shows in the session. She offers a lot of options, just not full service, she can be surprising creative.

Soup.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the feedback! That's what this Forum is for, also some Members PM me with some valuable information. I appreciate it. Play safe! With all the controversy with AMPs and paranoia it's probably better to seek some private massage than take a chance.

[QUOTE=TwoWheelTourer;4185096]Saw a person walking out the door yesterday. No idea if it was a client or what. Plenty of cars in the parking lot. Neon sign was turned off. IDK if the place is undergoing renovations or if the place is closed down. Never drove up to see the note posted on the door.

If anyone knows exactly what is going on there, please share.[/QUOTE]Saw the same thing Weds, Thurs, and Fri. Did drive up Thursdays to check it out. Dark sign and note on the window that said it was closed for repairs and would re-open Mar 11. Not even going to speculate about what repairs are being made. Zen has always been a stop for me when I'm in town. Force to change it up and due to all the 'publicity' down south. Hit an AMP that offered a more limited menu. Was not disappointed but I do miss a good TS.

[QUOTE=BeachBum15;4185374]Saw the same thing Weds, Thurs, and Fri. Did drive up Thursdays to check it out. Dark sign and note on the window that said it was closed for repairs and would re-open Mar 11. Not even going to speculate about what repairs are being made. Zen has always been a stop for me when I'm in town. Force to change it up and due to all the 'publicity' down south. Hit an AMP that offered a more limited menu. Was not disappointed but I do miss a good TS.[/QUOTE]We pretty much always had limited menu. And when they do have open menus here it's either way to much or nothing to write home about. And then they usually get shut down or just close up maybe because of heat or not I don't know.

[QUOTE=BeachBum15;4185374]Saw the same thing Weds, Thurs, and Fri. Did drive up Thursdays to check it out. Dark sign and note on the window that said it was closed for repairs and would re-open Mar 11. Not even going to speculate about what repairs are being made. Zen has always been a stop for me when I'm in town. Force to change it up and due to all the 'publicity' down south. Hit an AMP that offered a more limited menu. Was not disappointed but I do miss a good TS.[/QUOTE]Installation of surveillance equipment?

[QUOTE=BeachBum15;4185374]Saw the same thing Weds, Thurs, and Fri. Did drive up Thursdays to check it out. Dark sign and note on the window that said it was closed for repairs and would re-open Mar 11. Not even going to speculate about what repairs are being made. Zen has always been a stop for me when I'm in town. Force to change it up and due to all the 'publicity' down south. Hit an AMP that offered a more limited menu. Was not disappointed but I do miss a good TS.[/QUOTE]I have visited ZEN twice in the past week and I believe the "repairs" are legitimate. One week ago I turned up and plumber was working to remove stuff from the shower room. I dropped by on Saturday assuming they were open and once again ran into the same legitimate plumbing company. I saw new formica panels based panels in the lobby. I would expect they will be opening soon, if not on Monday soon thereafter. I don't think it would take that long to install cameras! <g .

Since Zen has been closed I decided to head to Rockledge on Saturday to visit Palm Tree. I paid the house fee $80 Based upon my previous experiences visiting Palm Tree, I placed an additional $120 on the table inside the massage room. In the past that would have pretty much assured you of everything being on the table. Yesterday was a joke. I will never, never go there again. Tina was at first very cautious and I couldn't blame her with that, but even when she relaxed a bit, and asked me to flip, she started asking for more money above what I had already left. Outrageous! Basically no touching other than the breasts and wouldn't even remove her g-string. I got so pissed off that I pretty much got off the table, dressed and walked out. Plus communications were almost impossible. Never again!

[QUOTE=Willie24;4184633]Has anyone seen this woman, she advertises on Skip the Games? I might see her later next week and would appreciate any info if possible. Thanks.[/QUOTE]I saw her a couple years ago and had been seeing her for quite a while. The last time I saw her, she showed me her kitty and let me play but not inside. Never got further than that. I've been away from the hobby, not hobby related, for almost a year and still can't walk. Krys is a great lady and I would recommend her if you don't expect FS. Be safe, DW.

[QUOTE=DonaldWicker;4186307]I saw her a couple years ago and had been seeing her for quite a while. The last time I saw her, she showed me her kitty and let me play but not inside. Never got further than that. I've been away from the hobby, not hobby related, for almost a year and still can't walk. Krys is a great lady and I would recommend her if you don't expect FS. Be safe, DW.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the feedback! I am more in need of professional massage than FS, sounds like she knows what she is doing. I'll probably visit her later this week and report back on the encounter!

[QUOTE=NoLongerLurker;4186242]Since Zen has been closed I decided to head to Rockledge on Saturday to visit Palm Tree. I paid the house fee $80 Based upon my previous experiences visiting Palm Tree, I placed an additional $120 on the table inside the massage room. In the past that would have pretty much assured you of everything being on the table. Yesterday was a joke. I will never, never go there again. Tina was at first very cautious and I couldn't blame her with that, but even when she relaxed a bit, and asked me to flip, she started asking for more money above what I had already left. Outrageous! Basically no touching other than the breasts and wouldn't even remove her g-string. I got so pissed off that I pretty much got off the table, dressed and walked out. Plus communications were almost impossible. Never again![/QUOTE]I think in light of recent events, we need to show patience when visiting AMPs. We need these places to stay in business long enough for the good times to return, even if it means going just for straight massage. Even the private girls are affected and most have taken down their ads for new customers.

Visited a little bit ago. Drew an older woman, not as hot as the mama. Fun table shower and some extra roaming on standard finish. .60 tip.

Has anyone visited the Water Cube Day Spa in Melbourne? Where is it? Well, going east on 192, it is located just at the Y where Strawbridge and New Haven split. A very small strip center with only 3-4 small businesses. I'm intrigued because they show oriental women in their ad, and in at least one of the ads they stated they had a table shower, which tends to hint at more than standard stuff. By the way, I can confirm that Zen is open, although one of their web ads says they are closed.

[QUOTE=NoLongerLurker;4193125]Has anyone visited the Water Cube Day Spa in Melbourne? Where is it? Well, going east on 192, it is located just at the Y where Strawbridge and New Haven split. A very small strip center with only 3-4 small businesses. I'm intrigued because they show oriental women in their ad, and in at least one of the ads they stated they had a table shower, which tends to hint at more than standard stuff. By the way, I can confirm that Zen is open, although one of their web ads says they are closed.[/QUOTE]One has to be leery of a new spa opening up after all that has and is going down south of us. Although nice to know they have TS. I won't go to one without it. That's the ultimate foreplay for me. Play and stay safe.

No table shower but the staff is Asian. One of the better massages in town imo. Definitely a YMMV situation but I haven't been back since the recent issues.

[QUOTE=ToyotaVon;4193279]No table shower but the staff is Asian. One of the better massages in town imo. Definitely a YMMV situation but I haven't been back since the recent issues.[/QUOTE]Hey Toyota! Good to see you here! Can you clear out your PMs, you're at capacity.

Just spent a delightful hour with Krys! Like others have reported she is not a regular provider, limited touching and no customary services but what a great massage! She does things with her hands which are too much for this old man! She is intelligent and has a killer body and all I can tell you is that I left well satisfied. Not a clock watcher and she made me feel real comfortable. Her in call Serenity Room is a trip, clean and very private. She goes out of her way to make sure you leave with a smile on your face. I highly recommend if you want to try something different with a nice woman who is also into some other things, that I personally don't partake, but I'm sure others may enjoy. Great communication and easy set up.

[QUOTE=JBarba;4193497]Hey Toyota! Good to see you here! Can you clear out your PMs, you're at capacity.[/QUOTE]Should be all set.

A friend told me a trip to Titusville might be worth the drive. He's never steered me wrong so I made the drive to an AMP with dim parking lot lighting. It was worth the drive. Massage average at best but unlimited roaming. I know there's a lot of concern about AMPs right now and rightly so. This one is off the beaten path with little visibility. I hope they keep it that way. My guess is after repeat the menu opens up. Left a happy customer. $. 10 out the door. Will repeat.

Hi everyone,

First time posting. I've been to King Spa in a dream several times and always left happy with the quality of service and demeanor of staff, particularly with the quality of their table shower. I have heard positive things about Zen Spa and I am considering branching out. I was hoping to hear peoples' comparison of the two as of late? Perhaps this isn't the best timing with everything going on. But most reviews are a little dated and I was wondering how things are lately there.

Thanks!