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This is the last time I'm telling you, if you invite one more person to meet you in real life because they disagree with you I will ban your account. I don't know if you get shitfaced before you post and can't control yourself but I don't care. I don't want to do it because you have been here forever but if you threaten one more person I'm just going to ban your account. This is the third and last time I'm telling you this. Before you whine about being persecuted if somebody else is doing it report the post, this applies equally to everybody.

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[QUOTE=SkyWookie;5019827]This is a sign of your ignorance. The men in the last pic are anti-trump democrats. The leader even said so himself. Unless of course you like other democrats enjoy butt fucking.[/QUOTE]Really? This happened after Trump expressly told his white supremacist homies to "stand by, stand back. " Anyone want to give odds on at least 3-6 of these guys, 1) owning Trump MAGA hats, 2) showing up in pictures of a Trump rally? As the FBI said, white nationalist are the biggest terrorist threat to this country.

I do recall Trump saying LIBERATE MICHIGAN. These right wing wacko birds just followed up on it. Can anyone imagine what the right wing wacko's, faux news included, would do if some entity calling itself Antifa was caught preparing to kidnap a GOP Governor. Just imagine the hysteria. The ashes on the forehead. The gnashing of teeth. The spontaneous orgasms. The loin cloths being torn as Biden is blamed. I want to see if the GOP law and order gang is going to say anything about this. So far all I hear are chirping crickets.

[QUOTE=SgtSoros;5019909]Really? This happened after Trump expressly told his white supremacist homies to "stand by, stand back. " Anyone want to give odds on at least 3-6 of these guys, 1) owning Trump MAGA hats, 2) showing up in pictures of a Trump rally? As the FBI said, white nationalist are the biggest terrorist threat to this country.

I do recall Trump saying LIBERATE MICHIGAN. These right wing wacko birds just followed up on it. Can anyone imagine what the right wing wacko's, faux news included, would do if some entity calling itself Antifa was caught preparing to kidnap a GOP Governor. Just imagine the hysteria. The ashes on the forehead. The gnashing of teeth. The spontaneous orgasms. The loin cloths being torn as Biden is blamed. I want to see if the GOP law and order gang is going to say anything about this. So far all I hear are chirping crickets.[/QUOTE]So I'll stick with facts instead of the crap you like to make up. You have over 1000 posts and almost all of is political rants with NO factual basis, you actually are worthless to this board LOL. Now here's the facts the leader of the Michigan Coup spoke out against Trump, this is what we call facts you "wannabe" veteran. Sgt LOL, real men serve in the military, you are not a real man haha. Here's the link:

[URL]https://nypost.com/2020/10/09/man-accused-of-whitmer-kidnap-plot-ripped-trump-as-tyrant/[/URL]

And am a lifelong progressive and this:

[QUOTE=HobbyMan51;5019544]Our economy is shattered because the left and the Democrats insisted on draconian shut downs without any thought of common sense compromise, ruining businesses and the financial standing of millions of individuals alike. Trump didn't do that. Your Dem heroes did that. [/QUOTE]Is the truth and I think any of my fellow liberals that deny it are reprehensible. There were ZERO MAGA hat wearing assholes calling for the economy to be shut down in February / March. The lost jobs, the nine million more people that are going to starve to death next year, and the 400,000,000 people who's lives have been destroyed from the economic fallout from covid mitigation are on us. The people SCREAMING for the lockdowns were all on the left.

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[QUOTE=SkyWookie;5019941]So I'll stick with facts instead of the crap you like to make up. You have over 1000 posts and almost all of is political rants with NO factual basis, you actually are worthless to this board LOL. Now here's the facts the leader of the Michigan Coup spoke out against Trump, this is what we call facts you "wannabe" veteran. Sgt LOL, real men serve in the military, you are not a real man haha. Here's the link:

[URL]https://nypost.com/2020/10/09/man-accused-of-whitmer-kidnap-plot-ripped-trump-as-tyrant/[/URL][/QUOTE]I don't think you're a good judge of that. Unless you count spitting out a real man's dick after he face fucks you. Fuck yourself, wannabe.

The following explains the Democratic ticket.

Just me, I don't want to meet up with any other dudes for any reason unless a girl or two is involved, I don't judge guys you have at it LOL.

[QUOTE=TechSticles;5020041]I don't think you're a good judge of that. Unless you count spitting out a real man's dick after he face fucks you. Fuck yourself, wannabe.[/QUOTE]Democrats need safe places, are offended by words, and want to take everyone elses rights away because it "scares" them, you and soros (who are possibly the same person under 2 names) have the same rant and both of you are useless and contribute nothing to this forum, both of your posts are the same rant ever day, many times a day, so man up, join the military if your not too old, that's the real problem with most democrats is that your parents raised you to be lazy. Now you will reply that Trump did not serve. Trumps not a republican any more than Sanders is a democrat, they needed to run on a major party ticket to get elected. So back to Conservatives and Republicans we are the ones working and keeping this country going while you guys run around Burning and looting, just saying I am getting more and more private messages from people who are tired of hearing your pathetic rants, and yes you both are pathetic LOL. Go cry to your mommy's about how much you hate trump because honestly they are the only ones who care about your liberal feelings.

[QUOTE=Admin2;5020025]There were ZERO MAGA hat wearing assholes calling for the economy to be shut down in February / March. The lost jobs, the nine million more people that are going to starve to death next year, and the 400,000,000 people who's lives have been destroyed from the economic fallout from covid mitigation are on us. The people SCREAMING for the lockdowns were all on the left.

A2[/QUOTE]And burning, looting destroying businesses and jobs, Boeing pulled production out of Seattle, are those from the so called left. The mayors and the governors from the so called left ban gatherings, church, wedding, funerals,etc but allow tens of thousands to gather and 'protest,' spread cases, then enact stricter lockdowns on peaceful law abiding citizens and their businesses. But those exercising their first amend rights and bothering no one, the MAGA hat wearers are assholes? Laughing my fucking ass off. You motherfuckers are so brainwashed you can't tie your shoes w/o checking with NYT or CNN first.

[QUOTE=Worf359;5020217]The following explains the Democratic ticket.[/QUOTE]For the simple minded like you, who think everything boils down to a FB feed, yes. I'm sure it explains it all.

[QUOTE=SkyWookie;5020293]Democrats need safe places, are offended by words, and want to take everyone elses rights away because it "scares" them, you and soros (who are possibly the same person under 2 names) have the same rant and both of you are useless and contribute nothing to this forum, both of your posts are the same rant ever day, many times a day, so man up, join the military if your not too old, that's the real problem with most democrats is that your parents raised you to be lazy. Now you will reply that Trump did not serve. Trumps not a republican any more than Sanders is a democrat, they needed to run on a major party ticket to get elected. So back to Conservatives and Republicans we are the ones working and keeping this country going while you guys run around Burning and looting, just saying I am getting more and more private messages from people who are tired of hearing your pathetic rants, and yes you both are pathetic LOL. Go cry to your mommy's about how much you hate trump because honestly they are the only ones who care about your liberal feelings.[/QUOTE]So big on the military, aren't you? It's not really relevant, but I already served in the military. Strange that it didn't make me a stupid twat like you that tells anyone not agreeing with me they should join up. Why is that? I mean, I can see why you'd love it. You enjoy being told what should do or think.

I've also noticed you really seem to care about other people agreeing with you via PM. That appears to be a rightard trait. Can't seem to do shit or think on your own.

Anyway, go back to fucking off. Maybe at a dipshit-drumpf rally. Hug those fatties, general!. LOL.

[QUOTE=TechSticles;5020492]So big on the military, aren't you? It's not really relevant, but I already served in the military. Strange that it didn't make me a stupid twat like you that tells anyone not agreeing with me they should join up. Why is that? I mean, I can see why you'd love it. You enjoy being told what should do or think.

I've also noticed you really seem to care about other people agreeing with you via PM. That appears to be a rightard trait. Can't seem to do shit or think on your own.

Anyway, go back to fucking off. Maybe at a dipshit-drumpf rally. Hug those fatties, general!. LOL.[/QUOTE]Are these polls from the same people who said that Hillary was going to win in a landslide?

[QUOTE=TechSticles;5020492]So big on the military, aren't you? It's not really relevant, but I already served in the military. [/QUOTE]And still pissed about your dishonourable discharge, eh? And no, I'm not talking about the one coming from your vagina.

[QUOTE=Worf359;5020498]Are these polls from the same people who said that Hillary was going to win in a landslide?[/QUOTE]I get that you don't read and have no comprehension. Just keep watching faux news dipshit. I'm not here to educate you rightard cucks since you're way too stupid for that. I'm just here to laugh and ridicule you.

Just wait until after drumpf loses. I'm going to have a wonderful time in here.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;5020509]And still pissed about your dishonourable discharge, eh? And no, I'm not talking about the one coming from your vagina.[/QUOTE]Ha. Go hug your shadow box, sarge. Besides being a cult follower, I'm sure that's pretty much all that you believe makes you special.

Here's what I see, looking at this are&are subforum, social media, the media in general: two very polarized camps, publicly at odds with one another, while a very tiny silent group of people chuckle, high-five one another, take a drag on their cigars, and rake in ALL the chips.

Example - And forgive me for choosing names, it's just random, and to illustrate a point. - take Techsticles and Aaron Hamlet. It's hard to find to folks more at one another's throats, at least here in the are&are. Yet. And I may be mistaken, though I don't think I am. If they were actually present in the same room, like they're at a coffee, or happen to chat while in line at Hattie B's. Would probably basically get along. A couple of guys, both American, both living in Atlanta, and with at least some overlap in hobbies. Maybe they're both golfers, drive late-model cars, own houses.

The truth is, ideologically, these two men are probably basically pretty similar. They both think folks should be healthy. They want cities and communities to function and prosper. They want to catch bad guys if they're out there, and protect kids. They'd both help an old lady take her groceries out to the car.

And YET, through the power of content management, "they" (I'll go ahead and use conspiratorial quotes) have managed to drive an absolute ideological wedge between the two. What's up with that?

And I confess, I fall into "the trap" at times myself (my worst lately is on the gun forums I'm active in. I'm a firearms enthusiast who happens to be liberal. And lets just say I've wisely deleted a few things I was about to post!

Here's a mental discipline I've been practicing lately: when I KNOW something to be the case, when I am CONVINCED (like Trump is a criminal, or cops are racist, or whatever), I STOP and realize that, very likely, someone has, through manipulating content, guided me to that realization.

In the modern, complex world, you should NEVER be *certain*. I'm sure I'm not the only business owner here, but I am always worried and second-guessing myself in business, because the stakes are high and information is imperfect and it is APPROPRIATE to be UNCERTAIN. You have to remain flexible and able to change your position in an instant. The same should hold true of politics: if you are wholly loyal to a party or ideology, you are *doing it wrong*.

Authority must be held accountable, always. Practical skepticism: practice it.

That Libtard you hate? That Trumptard who is such a moron? You think that because someone WANTS you to, and you are useful to them!

O.

ps. Pardon the fucked up formatting and sentence fragments in this post, and things like "are&are" (which was supposed to be the letter "R" and the letter "R" for "rants and raves" ), but this forum has so many stupid formatting rules which butcher normal, correct composition.

[QUOTE=Ozymandias;5020650]take Techsticles and Aaron Hamlet. It's hard to find to folks more at one another's throats

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.[/QUOTE]Show me one example of how I'm at that freaks throat? You can't. You placed my name in there for the sole purpose that I've called you out for being an 'useful idiot' tho I didn't use that term. You claimed the 100,000's protesting over summer did nothing to spread China Virus. I linked the paper you cited as proof, one written by economists not epidemiologists, asked you to explain how economists can make that claim. You couldn't with any veracity. That's an useful idiot move. All you did was to repeat CNN / NYT / MSNBC mantra. Close down schools, businesses, weddings and funerals to contain spread but allow mass gatherings because they're protests and protests don't spread the virus.

You called a 16 yo Catholic school kid a 'douche. ' You knew nothing of the kid other than what CNN / NYT / MSNBC told you to think. They told you to think he was a douche and you did. Why? Because you're an useful idiot.

You called out someone for cheering the demise of RBG asking them if they knew her personally or did they dislike her because others told them to dislike her. RBG has a long public record that one can base an opinion on pro or con. The 16 yo boy you called a douche didn't have a public record. You knew nothing of him, didn't even know his name or the fact that he had reached a reported seven figure out of court settlement with one of the media outlets that use you as their useful idiot and that his atty has filed suit against five more media outlets who also use you as their useful idiot.

You need to stop projecting, you useful idiot.

[QUOTE=SkyWookie;5019941]So I'll stick with facts instead of the crap you like to make up. You have over 1000 posts and almost all of is political rants with NO factual basis, you actually are worthless to this board LOL. Now here's the facts the leader of the Michigan Coup spoke out against Trump, this is what we call facts you "wannabe" veteran. Sgt LOL, real men serve in the military, you are not a real man haha. Here's the link:

[URL]https://nypost.com/2020/10/09/man-accused-of-whitmer-kidnap-plot-ripped-trump-as-tyrant/[/URL][/QUOTE]FYI, most Alt-Right, white supremacist-extremist groups are Trump supporters. Trump is clearly responsible for promoting hate and speaking in "code" to these extremist right wing militia groups. The group of 13 that had Social media accounts and plotted to kidnap Michigan's governor were itching to incite a 'civil war' and were also a hive of pro-Trump, pro-gun and anti-government types. When the FBI went to their homes, they found Trump paraphernalia, stickers plastered all over their vans. Trump has called on these extremists to go out and oversee the polls on election day-which is a call to intimidate voters with their armed weapons. As David Duke said, and it's been echoed by "Proud Boys", we have "our man" in the WH. Trump for his part has rarely called them out, they are his base. Both extremist right/left wing militia groups are a clear and present danger to this country, Trump too for his disgusting racist hate mongering and aligning himself with these violent right wing groups and also his blatant dog whistle calls. Gov. Witmer was only one on their long, enemy hit list.

[URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8821499/The-chilling-social-media-posts-videos-Trump-loving-13-militia.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Ozymandias;5020650]Here's what I see, looking at this are&are subforum, social media, the media in general: two very polarized camps, publicly at odds with one another, while a very tiny silent group of people chuckle, high-five one another, take a drag on their cigars, and rake in ALL the chips.

Example - And forgive me for choosing names, it's just random, and to illustrate a point. - take Techsticles and Aaron Hamlet. It's hard to find to folks more at one another's throats, at least here in the are&are. Yet. And I may be mistaken, though I don't think I am. If they were actually present in the same room, like they're at a coffee, or happen to chat while in line at Hattie B's. Would probably basically get along. A couple of guys, both American, both living in Atlanta, and with at least some overlap in hobbies. Maybe they're both golfers, drive late-model cars, own houses.[/QUOTE]Veddy well said, Oz.

[QUOTE=Admin2;5020025]And am a lifelong progressive and this:

Is the truth and I think any of my fellow liberals that deny it are reprehensible. There were ZERO MAGA hat wearing assholes calling for the economy to be shut down in February / March. The lost jobs, the nine million more people that are going to starve to death next year, and the 400,000,000 people who's lives have been destroyed from the economic fallout from covid mitigation are on us. The people SCREAMING for the lockdowns were all on the left.

A2[/QUOTE]But what compromise do you think they should look for? Can't even seem to get the magas to wear a fucking mask? I'm all eyes for something you think might have been a reasonable compromise given their dear leader was saying it was a hoax and no one taking it seriously.

I'm not happy about people losing their livelihood (unless it's a couple of people in this thread), but while you can go on and on about the mortality statistics, in the beginning there was very little info and a president that was simply a stupid twat and not providing leadership.

I sort of hope so. Among themselves. While I don't like to see people suffer, I am a fan of Darwinism.

Dying over a chance to hang around assholes and listen to Lee Greenwood songs. Super awesome.

[URL]https://twitter.com/Acosta/status/1315754840182665216[/URL]

[QUOTE=SgtSoros;5020959]FYI, most Alt-Right, white supremacist-extremist groups are Trump supporters. Trump is clearly responsible for promoting hate and speaking in "code" to these extremist right wing militia groups. The group of 13 that had Social media accounts and plotted to kidnap Michigan's governor were itching to incite a 'civil war' and were also a hive of pro-Trump, pro-gun and anti-government types. When the FBI went to their homes, they found Trump paraphernalia, stickers plastered all over their vans. Trump has called on these extremists to go out and oversee the polls on election day-which is a call to intimidate voters with their armed weapons. As David Duke said, and it's been echoed by "Proud Boys", we have "our man" in the WH. Trump for his part has rarely called them out, they are his base. Both extremist right/left wing militia groups are a clear and present danger to this country, Trump too for his disgusting racist hate mongering and aligning himself with these violent right wing groups and also his blatant dog whistle calls. Gov. Witmer was only one on their long, enemy hit list.

[URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8821499/The-chilling-social-media-posts-videos-Trump-loving-13-militia.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Biden wants us to vote for him for the senate. [URL]https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/oct/12/joe-biden-gaffes-include-mormon-romney-running-sen/[/URL] So let's vote for him for Senate. That is your mighty Joe, where am I? What am I doing here? Who is that mormon senator? I am running for Senate? Go to this non-existing website!

[QUOTE=SgtLurker;5021602]Biden wants us to vote for him for the senate. [URL]https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/oct/12/joe-biden-gaffes-include-mormon-romney-running-sen/[/URL] So let's vote for him for Senate. That is your mighty Joe, where am I? What am I doing here? Who is that mormon senator? I am running for Senate? Go to this non-existing website![/QUOTE]Actually, I worry more about the mental state of the roughly 60 million Americans who think another four years of this inept, ignorant, clueless, pathetic old loaf who couldn't manage a pandemic is a good idea.

[QUOTE=Admin2;5020025]And am a lifelong progressive and this:

Is the truth and I think any of my fellow liberals that deny it are reprehensible. There were ZERO MAGA hat wearing assholes calling for the economy to be shut down in February / March. The lost jobs, the nine million more people that are going to starve to death next year, and the 400,000,000 people who's lives have been destroyed from the economic fallout from covid mitigation are on us. The people SCREAMING for the lockdowns were all on the left.

A2[/QUOTE]Nah, if bonespurs had prepared for the outbreak, not shut down the CDC in China, learned what was really going on. Pumped up PPE protections, the CDC would never have had to conserve PPE when the virus first appeared here. And if those MAGA idiots would wear a mask the epidemic in this country would be a lot less severe. Trump is the problem, not liberals. He's out of his league. The guy is a moron who thinks he has all the answers. He gets covid and takes a helicopter to WR to get special treatment and then claims covid is no big deal. He's a FUCKING MORON. Anyone other than HRC in 2016 and he wouldn't be around screwing the world up. This shutdown is on him.

[QUOTE=Jeep95;5021966]Nah, if bonespurs had prepared for the outbreak, not shut down the CDC in China, learned what was really going on. Pumped up PPE protections, the CDC would never have had to conserve PPE when the virus first appeared here. And if those MAGA idiots would wear a mask the epidemic in this country would be a lot less severe. Trump is the problem, not liberals. He's out of his league. The guy is a moron who thinks he has all the answers. He gets covid and takes a helicopter to WR to get special treatment and then claims covid is no big deal. He's a FUCKING MORON. Anyone other than HRC in 2016 and he wouldn't be around screwing the world up. This shutdown is on him.[/QUOTE]Where's the FUCKING LIKE button?

[QUOTE=Jeep95;5021966] And if those MAGA idiots would wear a mask the epidemic in this country would be a lot less severe. [/QUOTE]So, you've personally checked the political affiliation of everyone not wearing a mask? Yeah, right.

[QUOTE=SgtLurker;5021602]Biden wants us to vote for him for the senate. [URL]https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/oct/12/joe-biden-gaffes-include-mormon-romney-running-sen/[/URL] So let's vote for him for Senate. That is your mighty Joe, where am I? What am I doing here? Who is that mormon senator? I am running for Senate? Go to this non-existing website![/QUOTE]I saw that. Between his mind wandering back in time and Nancy Pelosi putting forth new legislation (not about Trump) to give the cabinet OR congress the power to remove the president if he cannot serve as president, they are preparing the American people for the "bait and switch" president Harris regime.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;5022312]So, you've personally checked the political affiliation of everyone not wearing a mask? Yeah, right.[/QUOTE]Survey says: 68% of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents support mask use, compared with 95% of Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents.

[QUOTE=SgtSoros;5022911]Survey says: 68% of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents support mask use, compared with 95% of Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents.[/QUOTE]Surveys don't mean much. What I see with my own eyes is most important. Most people who post here do so from news snippets that support their core beliefs, a small subset of the true, big picture.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;5022312]So, you've personally checked the political affiliation of everyone not wearing a mask? Yeah, right.[/QUOTE]See, this is a straw man argument that you stupid fucks always fall for. I don't need to personally know everyone that does something, I just need a statistical sample. I can't find many folks on the left that have an issue with masks, but plenty on the right.

Like I don't personally know a lot of rightards that suck a cock, but I'm pretty sure that it's a statistical likelihood that you do.

I am a 30 something, but I assume most of you guys are older. So why no discussion about Jon ossoff and his new plan??

Is his new healthcare plan BS?

As older men, are you concerned about the future of healthcare??

[QUOTE=TechSticles;5023007]See, this is a straw man argument that you stupid fucks always fall for. I don't need to personally know everyone that does something, I just need a statistical sample. I can't find many folks on the left that have an issue with masks, but plenty on the right.

Like I don't personally know a lot of rightards that suck a cock, but I'm pretty sure that it's a statistical likelihood that you do.[/QUOTE]First and foremost, fuck off and continue to do so. You just need a statistical sample because that's all your amoeba brain can process. No need to fear me, boy. Your biggest fear is what you see in the mirror.

[QUOTE=ParrotScope;5023012]I am a 30 something, but I assume most of you guys are older. So why no discussion about Jon ossoff and his new plan??

Is his new healthcare plan BS?

As older men, are you concerned about the future of healthcare??[/QUOTE]If Ossoff has anything to do with it, yes. He's a Dem. Dems and BS are synonymous.

[QUOTE=SgtSoros;5022911]Survey says: 68% of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents support mask use, compared with 95% of Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents.[/QUOTE]It just means that there are far more Dem idiots than Repubs, that's all.

[QUOTE=Jeep95;5021966]Nah, if bonespurs had prepared for the outbreak, not shut down the CDC in China, learned what was really going on. Pumped up PPE protections, the CDC would never have had to conserve PPE when the virus first appeared here. And if those MAGA idiots would wear a mask the epidemic in this country would be a lot less severe. Trump is the problem, not liberals. He's out of his league. The guy is a moron who thinks he has all the answers. He gets covid and takes a helicopter to WR to get special treatment and then claims covid is no big deal. He's a FUCKING MORON. Anyone other than HRC in 2016 and he wouldn't be around screwing the world up. This shutdown is on him.[/QUOTE]You are out of your league just being on this thread. Just another hater with no sense.

[QUOTE=NuGuy36;5021873]Actually, I worry more about the mental state of the roughly 60 million Americans who think another four years of this inept, ignorant, clueless, pathetic old loaf who couldn't manage a pandemic is a good idea.[/QUOTE]Don't worry about us, pal. Worry about yourself if you help elect Biden, the befuddled doofus who would be President for about 5 minutes until removed by Witch Pelosi and her group of monsters. If you really think Biden could have done a better job we are the ones who should worry about you.

[QUOTE=ParrotScope;5023012]I am a 30 something, but I assume most of you guys are older. So why no discussion about Jon ossoff and his new plan?? Is his new healthcare plan BS? As older men, are you concerned about the future of healthcare??[/QUOTE]First off, read the constitution and tell me exactly where the government is even supposed to be involved in health care? Second, if you force single payer you essentially make healthcare workers the new slaves because your forcing them to work at wages someone else sets forth and innovation will be down the tubes because there will be no financial incentive.

HOWEVER. There is one element to his commercial that is true. Government cannot barter for drug prices but the Democrats are equally guilty of climbing into bed with Big Pharma as the Republicans. That one piece of the equation is truly an orgy with Dems, Reps, and Big Pharma.

[QUOTE=SgtLurker;5023364]First off, read the constitution and tell me exactly where the government is even supposed to be involved in health care? Second, if you force single payer you essentially make healthcare workers the new slaves because your forcing them to work at wages someone else sets forth and innovation will be down the tubes because there will be no financial incentive.

HOWEVER. There is one element to his commercial that is true. Government cannot barter for drug prices but the Democrats are equally guilty of climbing into bed with Big Pharma as the Republicans. That one piece of the equation is truly an orgy with Dems, Reps, and Big Pharma.[/QUOTE]Excuse my typo, it is supposed to say "20 something," not 30.

I never said that the constitution wants government to be involved in healthcare. Please understand that, I'm asking for the opinions of others. Let's make that clear.

Furthermore, I believe Obamacare is broken and cannot last in the long run. I don't really have the solution, but I do believe healthcare is a basic human right. Or at least it should be.

You shouldn't be able to let a man die or suffer, just because he can't afford healthcare. That's my most liberal viewpoint.

I don't know what. But something needs to be done about big pharma. I wish I had the solution, but inflation, and the business aspect of healthcare leads to great corruption.

I feel sorry for those with a serious Illness, and no money.

I don't think Biden and Harris have the solution though.

Any other views?? This is interesting to me.

[QUOTE=ParrotScope;5023012]I am a 30 something, but I assume most of you guys are older. So why no discussion about Jon ossoff and his new plan??

Is his new healthcare plan BS?

As older men, are you concerned about the future of healthcare??[/QUOTE]FWIW, It's been 4 years and we've heard only murmurings of Trump's health care plan to replace the ACA (Obamacare).

[QUOTE=SgtSoros;5023549]FWIW, It's been 4 years and we've heard crickets about Trump's health care plan to replace the ACA (Obamacare).[/QUOTE]Yes, in addition to the wall he never built.

I don't care for a Trump or Biden, but I really HATE Harris. So either I don't participate, or my vote goes to Trump.