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In general, what are the guidelines to replying to other forum members in PMs?

I have been receiving several PMs inquiring about my recent posts. I have no problem sharing more details to senior members, but most of the PMs I receive are from members with less than 5 posts; some even have no posts. Is there a line drawn at when it is safe to share detailed info via PM?

Thanks gentlemen,
LK

Troop, I know me and you have discussed something like this before, I just want to get it straight for once and for all. Thanks for your help.

question, is it appropriate to tell a senior member No- I wont share that information with you. I presume it is and then what would be a valid basis?

Nemo

[QUOTE=Lonelyknight1]In general, what are the guidelines to replying to other forum members in PMs?

I have been receiving several PMs inquiring about my recent posts. I have no problem sharing more details to senior members, but most of the PMs I receive are from members with less than 5 posts; some even have no posts. Is there a line drawn at when it is safe to share detailed info via PM?

Thanks gentlemen,
LK

Troop, I know me and you have discussed something like this before, I just want to get it straight for once and for all. Thanks for your help.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nemodc]question, is it appropriate to tell a senior member No- I wont share that information with you. I presume it is and then what would be a valid basis?

Nemo[/QUOTE]All you have to go on is someone's posting history. Sr Member to me isn't an automatic sign of trustworthiness, because it just means a person has 25 posts (I think) and they date back at least 6 months. In the end, you have to decide based on someone's posting history whether you can trust them, and that's a difficult thing to do. Ultimately, I would not put anything in a PM that you feel could put yourself at risk. People who have been in this hobby for a while can read between the lines and get a point across without being overtly explicit. Anyone who is asking you to spell something out for them should probably do more reading on these forums before jumping in.

[QUOTE=Nemodc]question, is it appropriate to tell a senior member No- I wont share that information with you. I presume it is and then what would be a valid basis?

Nemo[/QUOTE]

Certainly, It's your choice whether or not to share your info.

[QUOTE=Lonelyknight1]In general, what are the guidelines to replying to other forum members in PMs?

I have been receiving several PMs inquiring about my recent posts. I have no problem sharing more details to senior members, but most of the PMs I receive are from members with less than 5 posts; some even have no posts. Is there a line drawn at when it is safe to share detailed info via PM?

Thanks gentlemen,
LK

Troop, I know me and you have discussed something like this before, I just want to get it straight for once and for all. Thanks for your help.[/QUOTE]

That's an excellent question. There was a two-post newbie who asked/demanded info in one of the forums. When I told him, politely, to read the relative forum, he went off on me. He also went off on someone who posted an even more polite response. The watch-word here is caution.

I don't play much, lack of funds. I do post when:
a) i spot "borrowed" pics (thank you TinEye)
b) I can give an SW recon report in my area
c) the very rare occasion i get to play.

While I'm here, I HAVE received guidance from some of the more experienced members and I thank each and everyone of you. You know who you are.

Again, caution with newbies is good. Once they settle in, you'll know soon enough.

Regards

Mal

Just so that we can put this to bed and move on from here, I am one of the people who had PM'd Knight. I appreciate the information if he is kind enough to oblige, and I would never "go off" on someone if they didn't. I don't know why someone would do that, as the safety factor is key for us all.

I have made a few reports from my travels both around Tampa and around the country, and feel that I certainly do my share of spreading the word.

If someone chooses to share, that is their business, and they shouldn't be looked down upon if they don't feel comfortable enough with someone to share the info with.

Just my two cents worth.

[QUOTE=Lonelyknight1]In general, what are the guidelines to replying to other forum members in PMs?

I have been receiving several PMs inquiring about my recent posts. I have no problem sharing more details to senior members, but most of the PMs I receive are from members with less than 5 posts; some even have no posts. Is there a line drawn at when it is safe to share detailed info via PM?[/QUOTE]

When someone asks me for info, I will take the time to go through the requester's post history. If there's good sharing of info and a lack of douche-baggery, I'll share, whether or not someone's a senior. If someone has only 5 posts, but 4 are sharing info, that's just as good or better than a senior who has 40 posts saying "Yeah, that's right" or "Any info on her?".

If I decide that the poster's history is not worth sharing info with, then I'll reply and explain why. To quote a reply I sent a recent request for info...

[QUOTE]I'll be honest. Your posting history shows very little sharing of pertinent info. Your question indicates a lack of basic research on this forum.[/QUOTE]

The only time I'll ignore a PM is when it's from someone with 0 posts or very few that are all questions.

When I ask someone for info, I'll include the request to check my posts to see if I'm worth sharing with, and if not that's fine, but please tell me so and tell me why.

None of my policy has caused any indigestion for anyone, so I'll stick to them.

Just thought I'd add my .02 on the discussion you guys have been having over the last few weeks about emails, phone calls, etc.

To begin with, you don't actually have to engage in any sexual activity to be charged with solicitation. Florida statute makes it illegal simply to "solicit or entice," which means that once you make the offer of money for sexual activity or "lewdness", you have violated the statute.

You also can be charged with "assignation" for simply making an appointment to commit a sex act or engage in lewdness in exchange for money.

Sounds scary, right?

But making contact with a provider is not necessarily a crime, in and of itself. One of the elements of a criminal act is intent, meaning that the prosecutor has to show that you intended to to commit a violation of statute. Intent usually requires some overt act on your part, which in the case of solicitation would mean something like paying the provider when booking online (and how many of you guys actually pay in advance like that?) or actually showing up at the provider's location carrying the money. Making a case based on the contact alone is highly unlikely.

Technically, if you make an arrangement with a provider via email/phone to meet at a specific time and place to engage in sexual activity, that would meet the statutory definition of assignation. Even if your emails/calls don't specifically mention sex, the law does allow the "reputation" of a person or place to be used as de facto evidence that the purpose was prostitution. For example, if you or the provider have prior prostitution-related arrests or if the hotsheet motel where you are meeting is a known center of prostitution activity, that can sometimes be used to show that you knew the purpose of the meeting was to engage in sex for money.

Again, there's a "but."

Solicitation and assignation are both misdemeanors. To make an arrest on a misdemeanor charge in Florida, an LEO has to either a) witness the misdemeanor or b) apply for and get a judge to sign an arrest warrant based on probable cause. (Warrantless arrests are allowed in specific misdemeanor cases like domestic battery and retail theft, but solicitation and assignation are not among them.)

This is what an LEO would have to do in order to arrest you on a charge of solicitation or assignation based on your emails/phone calls:

1) Subpoena the email/telephone provider to get an IP, address, or account holder name.

2) Establish that you were the only person with access to the computer/phone at the time the messages were sent.

3) Establish that you acted with intent.

4) Ideally, get corroboration in the form of an admission from you, a statement from the provider, or a tape of a controlled phone call between you and a cooperating witness.

5) Write up an affidavit and take it to the State Attorney's Office to convince an ASA that their is enough probable cause to arrest.

6) Wait for a judge to sign off on the warrant.

7) Send it over to the Sheriff's Office warrants division to be entered into the system and served.

Of course, then the LEO would have to interview you, be ready to attend pre-trial hearings, work with the ASA on discovery and trial prep, and testify at trial, if necessary.

It would be a whole lot of investigative time and resources to make a misdemeanor case that likely would get you probation AT WORST.

Very few LE agencies are going to make that kind of investment for a solicitation or assignation arrest based on emails/phone calls.

(Note: If you have two previous convictions for solicitation, your third can become a felony, so in that case, they may be willing to try a little harder.)

I'm not going to say it never happens, but the most likely ways for a monger to get busted is NOT through the provider's records. It's going to be when you show up for an appointment, either because the "provider" is actually an undercover LEO, as part of a larger operation, or if a legit provider has gotten busted and is working off her charges by setting up clients for a sting.

HOWEVER, depending on the agency, it is very possible that LE could find your info in a provider's records and show up at your home/office acting as if you might get arrested just to throw the fear of God into you, or to bust you with your significant other. As one other poster pointed out in reference to one of the county sheriff's, there are some self-righteous moral grandstanders who would have their vice units do that kind of thing to "send a message."

So, to recap, the real risk is at the meeting itself, not in the arranging and not after the fact. Before and after, the legal risk is relatively minor, but there is still risk of a confrontation with LE and public embarrassment.

Of course, all the above goes out the window if, at any point, the relationship changes from basic provider-client, and you start steering clients to the provider, or engaging in any activity that could be construed as facilitating prostitution. In that case, you're going to get looked at A LOT harder and your risk is a great deal more significant.

I'm not a lawyer, so none of this should be taken as legal advice, but I know a little about how the system works and hope this helps.

[QUOTE=Old Skul]I'm not a lawyer, so none of this should be taken as legal advice, but I know a little about how the system works and hope this helps.[/QUOTE]But did you sleep in a Holiday Inn last night?

Sorry I could not resist.

Plus, you shouldn't judge all members by their public posts. Some do not post much in the way of reviews but are generous in their PM's.

[QUOTE=Jasper123]Plus, you shouldn't judge all members by their public posts. Some do not post much in the way of reviews but are generous in their PM's.[/QUOTE]

Are those of us who haven't been privy to past generous PMs supposed to guess?

A member's public posts are ALL other members have to judge him on.

If Tom has only 1 post and PMs me for info, but he's shared good intel with Dick and Harry via PM in the past, and Dick and Harry haven't mentioned it, what else do I have to use? Sorry Tom, I ain't tellin' you shit.

Great information, Old Skull. Your post describes why it's important to research a provider to a level you're comfortable with. I think everyone has a different level of acceptable risk they're willing to take while participating in the hobby. My level of acceptable risk drops dramatically when I'm away from home, in which case, I will not cruise the streets but choose to opt for a well-reviewed provider with a history of reviews.

Guess we're up to. 04 now!

[QUOTE=Old Skul]Just thought I'd add my .02 on the discussion you guys have been having over the last few weeks about emails, phone calls, etc.

To begin with, you don't actually have to engage in any sexual activity to be charged with solicitation. Florida statute makes it illegal simply to "solicit or entice," which means that once you make the offer of money for sexual activity or "lewdness", you have violated the statute.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Pasco Monger]But did you sleep in a Holiday Inn last night?

Sorry I could not resist.[/QUOTE]


This was a good one!!

I'm still rather new to this, so forgive me if this seems like a dumb question.

I don't drink, but my way of relaxing is more herbal. Do you think it'd be ok to bring some 4:20 with me, or no? In my perspective, I think it'd put the provider at ease (knowing I wasnt leo) but what do you guys think?