"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

My roommate put up a new SD profile and she is getting swamped with offers.
I have read all the replies and these are my observations.

1. There are guys tryin to get something for nothing. She has her rate posted in her profile.
Reasonable (but not low) considering her stats and location. So why waste their time and hers?

2. There are guys that think she is a pro. Well she sorta is (admittedly). They want a total non pro exclusive arrangement, not a UTR girl. Another time waster.

3. Bragging too much. Are you going to give HER a yacht?. A yacht or a room. Who cares?. Its about the money.

4. Want to kidnap her. LOL. Looking for a live in arrangement. Not going to happen.

5. They sound normal, agree to meet for dinner and see if there is any chemistry.
(pretty standard m&g)(no sugar required). And guess what?. They get to meet her.

So this is not rocket science.
Unless you are chasing a first time non pro newbie (as many of us are) well then the game is on.

She would be considered a GPS girl by this threads standards.
But a couple of lucky guys do get in for less for a variety of reasons.

So the moral of the story? There isn't one. This is just an isolated case study.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy; 1801632]My roommate put up a new SD profile and she is getting swamped with offers.

I have read all the replies and these are my observations.

1. There are guys tryin to get something for nothing. She has her rate posted in her profile.

Reasonable (but not low) considering her stats and location.

2. There are guys that think she is a pro. Well she sorta is. They want a total non pro exclusive arrangement, not a UTR girl. OK, no problem but why waste her time?

3. Bragging too much. Are you going to give HER a yacht. A yacht or a room. Who cares. Its about the money.

4. Want to kidnap her. LOL. Looking for a live in arrangement. Not going to happen.

5. They sound normal, agree to meet for dinner and see if there is any chemistry (pretty standard m&g) no sugar required). And guess what. They get to meet her.

So this is not rocket science. Unless you are chasing a first time non pro newbie (as many of us are).

Then the game is on.

She would be considered a GPS girl by this threads standards.

But a couple of lucky guys do get in for less for a variety of reasons.

So the moral of the story? There isn't one. This is just an isolated case study.[/QUOTE]I concur with the list from the other side of the mirror. I just joined the SD world and it crack me up what some of these girls want.

1. $100 to just M&G. Yeah, right? Has semi-pro written all over them. I would not mind giving something when unexpected at the M&G, but to ask upfront. I'll pass on that one.

2. $400 and $800 for M&G and if everything goes well, the FC. The problem here is not just price, but no one wants to commit to no sugar if we do not get along. I smell real PROs here just clocking time for her presence.

3. Found a couple on SD4M that I am working on for M&G. One agrees to the FC already if it seems right. Funny, these two never mention a thing about sugar. Think I will work on these two.

Well that is my experience after 6 days in SD / SB world. Thanks for all your help guys. Got the green dot card, TracFone etc. all set up and email / alias. You name it. Feels like James Bond in reverse.

Following up to my recent posts titled "In Pursuit" and "In Pursuit 2" on this thread.

Another case study. A 19 year old girl with reverse? GPS.
No amount of money will sway her. (BTW. My offer was for $)(pic at bottom)

To recap. Started on a roll asking for a date from this non pro hot newbie on her first day on the site that led to the below.

(HER). FROM THIS

OMG! Haha OMG you are so fucking hilarious! Hahahahahahaha! Hahahahahaha! Okay!

(HER). TO THIS

Your kind of strange.

I don't need money.

I'm not much of a sex fiend.

And you told me I won't be the only one.

Sooooo what's the point?

MY REPLY. Game on.

You're on a sugar daddy site. The kind of guys on there always have more than one girl. Even if you are the only sb its only because they are married or have a gf. At least I don't lie about it. Every girl wants to have better sex. I never met one that didn't. You just have to find the right guy to open up to. A lot of girls feel more comfortable with an experienced guy that isn't going to judge them and won't go crazy if they don't get exactly what they want the moment they want it.

You could keep dating young guys. And have the same experience over and over. Most girls on that site are sick of that or just have a natural preference for older guys. I can take care of 3 girls better than any young guy can take care of one (emotionally and physically). You got issues. No big deal. Everyone does. But there is a better way to progress than teasing guys and then fantasizing about it later. As far as money thats up to you. But if you like to go out. Guess what? It costs money. If going to a fast food place is enough for you. Cool. Some girls would like to experience something more from time to time.

Do your parents or job pay for literally everything you want? If so, well lucky you. You are very down to earth. Everyone happens to have a type, and you just happen to be mine. So until you tell me to leave I. Ll keep pursuing you. Some guys enjoy helping their girl out. Its just one of the ways they show their appreciation. Obviously something is keeping you on that site or you would just let some guy pick you up at the ralphs or the club or at work. Not a very good way to get started. Or you might try a more traditional site like match or eharmony.

A girl like you gets hit on a lot. It's confusing and exciting at the same time. Maybe this takes some of the confusion and uncertainty out of it.

HER REPLY.

Depends what you think "a lot" is. I don't think I get hit on a lot. If I do I ignore most. I just went on there cause of the free three day trail. I'm a nanny and I make okay money. Can I just randomly go to the Bahamas? Hell no. But I can always buy lipstick and food. I like how persistent you are. I thought you were a cocky asshole.

MY REPLY.

I am far from cocky (and definitely not an a-hole). I just like who I am (hopefully thats not a crime. LOL). I know I am a little odd, but not in a creepy way. Am I a little perverted? Maybe. But thats an attraction for some girls. Its great that you're self sustaining (a lot of girls on the site are not). No fault of their own. Shit is expensive out there. The thing is. Someone like you is hard to meet. Someone like you meaning (smart and attractive). I realize all of this messaging doesn't guarantee a thing as far as compatibility. But its a start.

HER REPLY.

Your right I guess you got a date.

-

Also a side note. I hate to quote a well known fellowship. But the newcomer is the most important person etc, etc.

This thread is no different. The old timers with game sometimes get more out of reading newbie mistakes than sharing the few they are still making. Passing along what works and what doesn't helps to reinforce what we already know but sometimes forget to practice. So welcome the newbie with love and patience. That newbie may eventually give you the best advice you ever heard. I do consider my self relatively new to the game. But like the old saying goes "I may have been born yesterday but I wasn't born last nite"

I think I got most of the lingo down. But "GPS" and "Nando 1" have me stumped? I think there was a link once to these terms, but when I search I get nothing. Thanks.

[QUOTE=HappyHunter44;1801738]I think I got most of the lingo down. But "GPS" and "Nando 1" have me stumped? I think there was a link once to these terms, but when I search I get nothing. Thanks.[/QUOTE]GPS= Golden Pussy Syndrome. Girls who think that a vagina will bring them ridiculous amounts of untold wealth because there is no other in the world like it.

For Nando1 I had to search back a ways. I had the general idea but wanted the exact words of wisdom. In the course of my search I was struck by the ebb and flow of specific posters over time. I think Hernando did post recently, but not as often as he did in the past. Anyway, here is one of the past posts on the "Nando scale". I think there was a prior post from Hernando with this scale, but I ran out of time to search what has become a very long thread.

[QUOTE=Hernando; 1330891]HYB (hot young baby) was coined earlier in the thread to represent these girls from 18 to 25 I also called them Nando 3s or the sportsters who are the college girls that you are naming HCB (hot college Babys) There can be a distinction between the two as I see it. But to recap my rating system :

Nando 1. Desperately poor high level of drama girls of all ages. These are the ones who call for more money because they are getting (fill in the tragedy here) tomorrow. Often these girls have kids, no baby daddy (BD) support. Or worse. A hostile or dead beat BD, and are frequently drug / alcohol addicted and can have police records. You all know them. I have met quite a few.

Nando 2. Escorts of all ages who are prospecting for biz on the sugar sites. I know quite a few of these also but it is important to identify them as escorts so your mind set can be right. You can I'd them 3 ways 1) they call you hun or babe before actually meeting you. 2) they charge by the hour and will be upfront with their rate, and 3) they will provide a room for your meet (since they already have one booked)

Nando 3-HYBs, HCBs, or a combo of several classifications. They are frequently looking for a sexual romp with NSA and some extra $$ to buy more clothes;

4). MILFs. These are older girls (women) who are looking for support, and I have added another one;

5) Sugar Baby. A true baby of all ages who wants a regular SD to pay them an allowance in return for fun times together. Often these girls are younger and looking for tuition help, car and house payments, mentoring for a career advancement, thrilling trips to exotic places. To name a few.

I like HCB. Because my SO, HYB, HCB love of my life is a Nando 3 and 5 combo. She is highly educated, very smart, absolutely no drama, and just a joy to be with. This is the category that I will forever play in. I hope my Baby will elect to keep me around but if things change I will be looking in that group for my next baby. For me the educated girls are so much more success driven and are usually not in desperate straits.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dsprdo;1801763]GPS = Golden Pussy Syndrome. Girls who think that a vagina will bring them ridiculous amounts of untold wealth because there is no other in the world like it.[/QUOTE]This is a much better definition of "Golden Pussy Syndrome" than the one I used when I introduced GPS to the board in the early days. That girl was a realtor in real life. She had a bad case of it.

The board seemed to latch onto it because there is a lot of GPS going around.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy; 1801730]Following up to my recent posts titled "In Pursuit" and "In Pursuit 2" on this thread.

HER REPLY.

Your right I guess you got a date.[/QUOTE]Nicely done. An alternative would have been to ignore her "cocky asshole" comment. That's the approach that I usually take. If a girl says that to me in person shortly after we've met, I usually laugh, smile and change the subject. The idea is that you really don't care what she thinks of you at that point. If we've already established some rapport and I get the "I thought you were a cocky asshole at first, but you're not" much like Hollywood received. I usually pause, and say "there's a fine line between cocky and confidence and most guys can't pull it off". The girl usually nods and then goes into a story about some cocky youngster she knows.

BTW Hollywood. I did see the SD4M ad for your roommate based on a pic you posted here. I was in LA last week visiting my flight attendant on a layover, and I looked around to fill some time. I would have sent her a note, but I remembered you said she doesn't like to kiss! I think she also had two profiles up for a bit.

I second the need for a glossary. The Nando scale confused me until someone just posted it. I'd suggest someone put it up and make it sticky here. That seems the easiest for all.

A lot has happened since my last update. Work has been crushing me, two of my regulars either moved on or were given walking papers. I'll try and update later today in between meetings.

[QUOTE=Golfcart; 1801780]This is a much better definition of "Golden Pussy Syndrome" than the one I used when I introduced GPS to the board in the early days. That girl was a realtor in real life. She had a bad case of it.

The board seemed to latch onto it because there is a lot of GPS going around.[/QUOTE]Thank you Dsprdo and Golfcart for the help. I get it now. Hernando, I agree the educated Nando 3/5 combo is a winner.

Terms. From me, no GPS, but may be good for newbies.

[QUOTE=BigTigger; 1727823]We have a number of categories for the women we tend to focus on (I apologize if I mess up the categories) What is your target group and order of precedence?

Nando 1s- (Desperate need your money for food, rent, etc. Age is irrelevant) [$] Low cash expenditure. Cash and FC are tied together. No Emotional Involvement.

Hot Young Babies. (Under the age of 25, possibly in College or working Part Time jobs, etc) [$$] Cash is mid-high, gifts are a big hit. Dating is optional, but has greater impact.

Middle Grounders. (Over 25, small imperfections, may need some bills covered, not desperate. But not really comfortable either) [$$-$$$] Cash is mid-high, Dating is preferred, potential high Emotional Involvement. Gifts and Dating have high impact.

Non Pros / UTRs. (Under the Radar, Met at their Part time workplace, CL, Don't know they are SBs, Possible 1 advertisement away from being pros) [$$-$$$] Dating optional, Cash outlay is moderate.

The Needy. (Needing Little to no money, but attention and a good screwing) [$$] [Low cash requirement, Dating is mandatory, potential high Emotional Involvement.

Converts. (Strippers and Escorts you are trying to turn into SBs) [$$$$] Cash is high. Lots of upfront work. Dating only at beginning.

SB Professional. (Allowance Types, Higher Costs, Had SDs before, Potentially GPS) [$$$$] High Cash component, Dating and Gifts Mandatory.[/QUOTE]

DAMMMMN. Looks like yo already F%ked her brains out. LOL.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy; 1801730]Following up to my recent posts titled "In Pursuit" and "In Pursuit 2" on this thread.

Another case study. A 19 year old girl with reverse? GPS.

No amount of money will sway her. (BTW. My offer was for $) pic at bottom)

To recap. Started on a roll asking for a date from this non pro hot newbie on her first day on the site that led to the below.

(HER). FROM THIS

OMG! Haha OMG you are so fucking hilarious! Hahahahahahaha! Hahahahahaha! Okay!

(HER). TO THIS

Your kind of strange.

I don't need money.

I'm not much of a sex fiend.

And you told me I won't be the only one.

Sooooo what's the point?

MY REPLY. Game on.

You're on a sugar daddy site. The kind of guys on there always have more than one girl. Even if you are the only sb its only because they are married or have a gf. At least I don't lie about it. Every girl wants to have better sex. I never met one that didn't. You just have to find the right guy to open up to. A lot of girls feel more comfortable with an experienced guy that isn't going to judge them and won't go crazy if they don't get exactly what they want the moment they want it.

You could keep dating young guys. And have the same experience over and over. Most girls on that site are sick of that or just have a natural preference for older guys. I can take care of 3 girls better than any young guy can take care of one (emotionally and physically). You got issues. No big deal. Everyone does. But there is a better way to progress than teasing guys and then fantasizing about it later. As far as money thats up to you. But if you like to go out. Guess what? It costs money. If going to a fast food place is enough for you. Cool. Some girls would like to experience something more from time to time.

Do your parents or job pay for literally everything you want? If so, well lucky you. You are very down to earth. Everyone happens to have a type, and you just happen to be mine. So until you tell me to leave I. Ll keep pursuing you. Some guys enjoy helping their girl out. Its just one of the ways they show their appreciation. Obviously something is keeping you on that site or you would just let some guy pick you up at the ralphs or the club or at work. Not a very good way to get started. Or you might try a more traditional site like match or eharmony.

A girl like you gets hit on a lot. It's confusing and exciting at the same time. Maybe this takes some of the confusion and uncertainty out of it.

HER REPLY.

Depends what you think "a lot" is. I don't think I get hit on a lot. If I do I ignore most. I just went on there cause of the free three day trail. I'm a nanny and I make okay money. Can I just randomly go to the Bahamas? Hell no. But I can always buy lipstick and food. I like how persistent you are. I thought you were a cocky asshole.

MY REPLY.

I am far from cocky (and definitely not an a-hole). I just like who I am (hopefully thats not a crime. LOL). I know I am a little odd, but not in a creepy way. Am I a little perverted? Maybe. But thats an attraction for some girls. Its great that you're self sustaining (a lot of girls on the site are not). No fault of their own. Shit is expensive out there. The thing is. Someone like you is hard to meet. Someone like you meaning (smart and attractive). I realize all of this messaging doesn't guarantee a thing as far as compatibility. But its a start.

HER REPLY.

Your right I guess you got a date.

-

Also a side note. I hate to quote a well known fellowship. But the newcomer is the most important person etc, etc.

This thread is no different. The old timers with game sometimes get more out of reading newbie mistakes than sharing the few they are still making. Passing along what works and what doesn't helps to reinforce what we already know but sometimes forget to practice. So welcome the newbie with love and patience. That newbie may eventually give you the best advice you ever heard. I do consider my self relatively new to the game. But like the old saying goes "I may have been born yesterday but I wasn't born last nite"[/QUOTE]

MsBigboobs just asked for help with rent. I said no more funds until we meet. She then called me tit for tat. I told her that I have already given almost $300 and she cut back on communication and only gave me 5 hours when I was in town. She dislikes the fact that I require sex to be linked to the money and I should help based on the friendship and her intention to meet. She lives in St Louis! I am in DC, LOL.

She said we can no longer meet, I wished her luck. Wow!

She was the worst lay out of the bunch and if I would have not required sex, I don't think I would have gotten it. I am so glad I told her subtly, no booty no funds. $280 was too much to pay and she is confused about arrangements

I like the way you incorporated exactly what she was doing in your responses to her objections.

You essentially spelled out what she was thinking. It showed you know and understand her. And that earned you some trust.

Your bluntness also was effective too.

Revvo.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy; 1801730]Following up to my recent posts titled "In Pursuit" and "In Pursuit 2" on this thread.

Another case study. A 19 year old girl with reverse? GPS.

No amount of money will sway her. (BTW. My offer was for $) pic at bottom)

To recap. Started on a roll asking for a date from this non pro hot newbie on her first day on the site that led to the below.

(HER). FROM THIS

OMG! Haha OMG you are so fucking hilarious! Hahahahahahaha! Hahahahahaha! Okay!

(HER). TO THIS

Your kind of strange.

I don't need money.

I'm not much of a sex fiend.

And you told me I won't be the only one.

Sooooo what's the point?

MY REPLY. Game on.

You're on a sugar daddy site. The kind of guys on there always have more than one girl. Even if you are the only sb its only because they are married or have a gf. At least I don't lie about it. Every girl wants to have better sex. I never met one that didn't. You just have to find the right guy to open up to. A lot of girls feel more comfortable with an experienced guy that isn't going to judge them and won't go crazy if they don't get exactly what they want the moment they want it.

You could keep dating young guys. And have the same experience over and over. Most girls on that site are sick of that or just have a natural preference for older guys. I can take care of 3 girls better than any young guy can take care of one (emotionally and physically). You got issues. No big deal. Everyone does. But there is a better way to progress than teasing guys and then fantasizing about it later. As far as money thats up to you. But if you like to go out. Guess what? It costs money. If going to a fast food place is enough for you. Cool. Some girls would like to experience something more from time to time.

Do your parents or job pay for literally everything you want? If so, well lucky you. You are very down to earth. Everyone happens to have a type, and you just happen to be mine. So until you tell me to leave I. Ll keep pursuing you. Some guys enjoy helping their girl out. Its just one of the ways they show their appreciation. Obviously something is keeping you on that site or you would just let some guy pick you up at the ralphs or the club or at work. Not a very good way to get started. Or you might try a more traditional site like match or eharmony.

A girl like you gets hit on a lot. It's confusing and exciting at the same time. Maybe this takes some of the confusion and uncertainty out of it.

HER REPLY.

Depends what you think "a lot" is. I don't think I get hit on a lot. If I do I ignore most. I just went on there cause of the free three day trail. I'm a nanny and I make okay money. Can I just randomly go to the Bahamas? Hell no. But I can always buy lipstick and food. I like how persistent you are. I thought you were a cocky asshole.

MY REPLY.

I am far from cocky (and definitely not an a-hole). I just like who I am (hopefully thats not a crime. LOL). I know I am a little odd, but not in a creepy way. Am I a little perverted? Maybe. But thats an attraction for some girls. Its great that you're self sustaining (a lot of girls on the site are not). No fault of their own. Shit is expensive out there. The thing is. Someone like you is hard to meet. Someone like you meaning (smart and attractive). I realize all of this messaging doesn't guarantee a thing as far as compatibility. But its a start.

HER REPLY.

Your right I guess you got a date.

-

Also a side note. I hate to quote a well known fellowship. But the newcomer is the most important person etc, etc.

This thread is no different. The old timers with game sometimes get more out of reading newbie mistakes than sharing the few they are still making. Passing along what works and what doesn't helps to reinforce what we already know but sometimes forget to practice. So welcome the newbie with love and patience. That newbie may eventually give you the best advice you ever heard. I do consider my self relatively new to the game. But like the old saying goes "I may have been born yesterday but I wasn't born last nite"[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BigTigger; 1802442]MsBigboobs just asked for help with rent. I said no more funds until we meet. She then called me tit for tat. I told her that I have already given almost $300 and she cut back on communication and only gave me 5 hours when I was in town. She dislikes the fact that I require sex to be linked to the money and I should help based on the friendship and her intention to meet. She lives in St Louis! I am in DC, LOL.

She said we can no longer meet, I wished her luck. Wow!

She was the worst lay out of the bunch and if I would have not required sex, I don't think I would have gotten it. I am so glad I told her subtly, no booty no funds. $280 was too much to pay and she is confused about arrangements[/QUOTE]She was definitely disillusioned. Smart move to end it there. LOL. The intention to meet thing is rather hilarious really. She is confused for sure.

[QUOTE=BigTigger; 1802442]MsBigboobs just asked for help with rent. I said no more funds until we meet. She then called me tit for tat. I told her that I have already given almost $300 and she cut back on communication and only gave me 5 hours when I was in town. She dislikes the fact that I require sex to be linked to the money and I should help based on the friendship and her intention to meet. She lives in St Louis! I am in DC, LOL.

She said we can no longer meet, I wished her luck. Wow!

She was the worst lay out of the bunch and if I would have not required sex, I don't think I would have gotten it. I am so glad I told her subtly, no booty no funds. $280 was too much to pay and she is confused about arrangements[/QUOTE]Boy did she do you a big favor. Next, Next, Next.

Can't sat I blame you. Had a SB who kept wanting money and only gave a BJ once. Had to nip that one in the bud.

[QUOTE=BigTigger; 1802442]MsBigboobs just asked for help with rent. I said no more funds until we meet. She then called me tit for tat. I told her that I have already given almost $300 and she cut back on communication and only gave me 5 hours when I was in town. She dislikes the fact that I require sex to be linked to the money and I should help based on the friendship and her intention to meet. She lives in St Louis! I am in DC, LOL.

She said we can no longer meet, I wished her luck. Wow!

She was the worst lay out of the bunch and if I would have not required sex, I don't think I would have gotten it. I am so glad I told her subtly, no booty no funds. $280 was too much to pay and she is confused about arrangements[/QUOTE]

So in my last post I said how I was planning to basically stash a SB in a hotel near my work. She'd get on a train and I'd take her directly to the FC where she would stay overnight and I'd pop in and out at my leisure. My results were very mixed. Some might call it a bust, but the experienced I gained was valuable. First let me go over the Good.

[b]The Good[/b]

Logistically everything worked out perfectly. She got on the train on time and the train stop where I picked her up was one of the smaller stations and wasn't crowded at all. The FC was just a 7-8 minute walk and a 2 minute drive from the train stop. And then another 7-10 minute walk in the other direction of the FC was a ton of food places and a grocery store. This meant I could give her $20-30 for food and she could get her own lunch or dinner and wouldn't be reliant on me to take her everywhere just to eat. So this was really a great location to pull this off. The area had a cheap motel 6 but also some decent hotels as well, so if I had a higher quality SB I could put her in one the nicer places.

[b]The Bad[/b]

As far as the rest, it wasn't just bad. It was pretty much all. . .

[b]The Ugly[/b]

The rest of the experience was downright ugly! I often like skipping the M&G date and just go directly to the FC when possible, but there's always a risk. I usually have pretty good luck but this time I got snake eyes. The girl was about 15-20 pounds heavier than the latest pictures she sent me. She had the intelligence of an earth worm and the personality of a cardboard box. When I picked her up from the train she had no idea what city she was in. She thought she was in a city that was 50 miles away and to the East near the mountains (we were along the coast, the ocean was visible from the train). Trying to strike conversation with her was very painful. She did manage to rent the room okay when I gave her the money and returned with two keys, so that worked out at least.

So I got her food and drink. And I tried to talk to her while we had a little mini-lunch in the hotel room. But again it was just too painful, so we ended up just watching TV for the remainder of lunch. I gave up trying to have any kind of meaningful conversation with her and was just waiting for her to finish her food so we could get down to some action.

It was starting to drag on and I had to get back to work, so I brought her over to the bed to get things started. She was so detached. I started kissing her but I could tell she wasn't there at all and it wasn't doing it for either of us, so I just jumped to groping her. Still detached she paused to get a condom. But the zipper was somewhat (not completely) stuck on her purse, so she spent literally 2-3 minutes trying to fix the zipper. I finally told her I had condoms with me and we can just use those. I thought we were about to finally get going but she looked at the condom and complained it was too thin. WTF. It was just a standard condom. She then went back to her purse to get her own condom. She finally squeezed her hand inside her purse (what she could have done 5 minutes ago) and retrieves what seemed like a double sized triple wrapped condom. I actually have a good size girth but that condom left about 3-4 inches dangling at the end and it was just so thick, I had to look down at myself to make sure I still had a penis because I couldn't feel anything.

We FINALLY got started and she disrobed. Horror show. Her clothes really were holding everything together. She just wasn't 20 pounds overweight but everything was drooping, sagging, and stretch marked from child birth. She was just 20, but she looked like she had 3-4 children already and no exercise between them. I figured that at least she would try hard in the sack, but it was just the opposite. Oral had to be covered, not affectionate at all, and I couldn't cum on her big tits (her only decent feature) and instead only on her ultra flabby stomach. I'd been with escorts in the past who were less restrictive than that. I normally don't kiss and tell in detail about the bedroom activities but I have to make an exception here because of just how unusually awful it was.

So I somehow managed to bust and I tried to get out of there as quickly as possible. I wasn't planning on coming back and left the second room key on the table along with a little extra cash for her to buy dinner and breakfast the next morning. After I left she got the hint that I wasn't coming back. I got into it with her over text and she basically admitted she was an escort who was trying to be a SB for the first time. That explained a lot. I told her she was never going to see any one SD more than once if she was going to be that restrictive and impersonal with the bedroom activities. She asked if I was coming back or not, and if not she was going to make "other arrangements". I honestly didn't care because I had no plans to ever see her again. Also, the room was in her name and she never knew my name. If she wanted to turn tricks or see more SDs in the room it had nothing to do with me. I reminded her how to get back to the train station so she could still get home regardless of what she did and I already gave her food money, so I felt I fulfilled my moral duties and I could wash my hands of the rest.

[b]What went wrong[/b]

I poorly vetted this girl. I knew there would probably be problems with her appearance because she was reluctant to send me pictures early on in the week. Most attractive girls are eager to send pictures. But then she ended up sending me some good (which turned out to be old) pictures which got my hopes up and I ignored my gut feeling. I figured that even if she was overweight she would be freaky in the sack at least. Plus I really wanted to do the experiment with this hotel setup and she was game.

[b]What went right[/b]

Out of pocket expenses including FC and food was just under a $. The whole ordeal only took about 90 minutes on my lunch break instead of a 2-3 hour drive. Zero paper trail, so when things started to go south it was very easy to Ninja Vanish. I placed her in a hotel near public transportation and food, so I could disappear without being a complete jerk. I also got a feel for the logistics if I wanted to try to pull something off like this again. I think the plan could work pretty well it's just I had the wrong girl for it. My 18 year-old Caregiver SB who moved away recently would have been PERFECT for this. Great personality and super affectionate in the sack. A real SB. My Euro Baby would also be down for this probably but I'd have to put her in a nicer hotel and she would likely go out and about more. This girl however was basically just a former escort, and a very low-quality escort to boot. So I just had no desire to return to the room.

[b]Q&A[/b]

"How are you going to insure she's in the room when you feel the urge? I can't imagine she will just sit inside watching Oprah all day."

- The idea was that I would give her just enough sugar to get some food and drinks. But I wouldn't give her a "parting gift" until she checked out. I didn't mind if she went out for a bit, but I'd text her when I was on the way. Mostly like she would be within a one-mile radius of the hotel, so I would just pick her up wherever she walked to and then take her back to the room to bang her. But yes the idea was she would stick around because she would want to leave with an additional cash gift. If she bounced early, she wouldn't get it. Unfortunately I wasn't able to put that part fully into practice because I never wanted to return. However I obviously didn't give this girl a parting gift because of her poor performance so maybe it did work after all in a certain way.

"Are you sure they'll take cash? They may require a credit card even if you pay cash to cover any other charges."

- The place where I had her get a room didn't require a credit card. Cash and I'd was fine. This was a lower-end hotel. What you can do is call the hotel in advance and ask if they require a credit card for a deposit or not. And then just keep calling hotels until you find one that is okay with cash and I'd. If you must stay at a place that requires a credit card, then that might limit the younger or financially troubled SBs you can see. Most of them wouldn't have a credit card, which isn't maxed out to cover the deposit. If you trust the Baby some, you could rent the room yourself and then instruct the front-desk to use an alias for your name. But what I like about my experiment is that by having the room in the girl's name, your liability is zero. Most likely you don't know the girl very well and if she's in the room for 20 something hours, a lot could go wrong. She could invite friends or other guests into the room, smoke weed, or do other unexpected stuff. If the room is in her name none of this matters to you or will affect you unless you're in the room at the time. So I definitely recommend that if you're going to have the girl stay overnight and you're not actually in the room with her most of the time, then it should be in her name unless you've already been seeing her a long time and you trust her to a degree.

Face / body / attitude / skills.

Another month of just solidifying my best girls by giving them all my time.

1. Wifey. Hot MILF (46).7/9/10/10+. Seeing her at least once a week. She finally got her own private place (many family discractions pevented us from using her old place). I was spending way too much on motel rooms. Shouldn't be over $$$$ a month from this pont on. Been seeing her for 20 months. Best sex of my life bar none.

2. The Little Princess (19).10/10/10/8. Been together 4 months now. After three mini breakups we are closer than ever. Her total trust in me has now elevated the quality of our sex life to where it should be. Its been worth the wait. More like 8 benji's a month, till she gets a job. Stays over at least 2 days a week.

3. My Live In (22).8/8/10+/9. She has lived here for 7 months so far. And she has been pinch hitting more than ever. We have a lot of zero drama fun in between our respective playmates. A steady $$$$ a month. Well worth it. Hope she never leaves.

Went on one m&g and it didn't work out. Got one I am in pursuit of this month coming up. Another teen that needs some direction in bed. Claims she only wants to civi date. Only using sd4me for me for 4 years now. I still try CL, but I never meet anyone. But still trying.

I wish I could afford to date a hot Asian OC MILF like this one.

http://www.sugardaddyforme.com/?page=gallery&mid=3773462

I have a quick meeting with MsNurseBooty tonight. It is supposed to be short, but she seems to be primed for more time.

I am hoping to see MsLatinaCoed tonight also. That will be quick also, both at their place, expect some heavy kissing and making out with both.

Date with MsBrownCutie on Wed.

Had a white SB from SA hit me up. Says she is 19, but I think she is older. Email address search shows escort ads in a few places. I am entertaining her as she does not know I know. My goal is to get the booty at the normal price of my SBs and see how it goes. She even claimed to be available overnights. I am hoping her skills are top notch. We will see.

BigTigg

So I am 1 month post breakup from my 10 ATF #3 and missing her perfect body and cute perfectly featured face. All 3 of my ATFs were great in their own way.

SB #1 (ex) is still ready willing and able to perform if called on. She is sweet and naive but a little too chubby for me. She is a desperation backup. She does receive the bareback cum shot which I require of my ladies. 7/6/10/7. 5 She is so daggone sweet and agreeable I hate to disappoint her.

Pot #1 Has been stringing me along for 2 weeks and says that she's down for this Wed. we will see. She is a 9/8. 5/7/8. 5 for the moment. We have talked on the phone and she seems quiet and intelligent. But she is 18 ++. I get nervous with potential parents in the picture since she lives at home. I give her a 50% change of performing. If she flakes then I'm done with her. She has that hard body look that these youngsters have with zero body fat.

Pot #2 is a 22 yr old white hottie 8/9/9/8. 5 and says she is ready to meet but has flaked on communication the last 3 days, so I give her a 25 % chance of a repeat meet as is. She is a server at a local restaurant so I might return there to reengage her interest.

Pot #3 is a 27 yr old white girl new to SA. Very quickly I have established a M&G for an overnight tomorrow. We exchanged pics aside from our SA ones and hers was a full frontal nude. I give her a 8/7/7. 5 for now. She is entertaining me in her home and likes to eat out at chain restaurants. I'm offering $$.5 for the night which is sort of my number. I'm too old to attract girls at the Big Tigg's low ball. She sounds a little UTRish. Her body is voluptuous with saggy D, s and a little chubb but I'm going to see if she has skills and likes to cuddle all night.

I'm looking for an ATF candidate but haven't had any luck so far. Those A List keepers don't cum along that often.

Ok. So here is an interesting situation that I have found myself in ad want to solicit advice from the many experienced mongers on this site. Here we go. About a month ago I got a hit on a latina on SD4ME to chat. We did chat and I asked for pics but got only a body shot but it looked really good. I took a chance and she was nice we had a pleasant M&G and she is a 32 YO White Latina MILF. 5'0" very curvey in a good way, a very good looking woman. I give her an 8/8/9 not counting the situation below. So we met a second time and she was ready to hit the sheets and we did. Very very good time, sensuous woman that was totally into sex and knew how to fuck. Great hands, juicey pussy, awesome kisser.

She repeatedly expressed to me that she has never done this before and that she had her own job and income but liked the idea of a little extra. And she did mention an monthly allowance. But never said how much. So she also told me repeatedly how good her time was and how much she liked my looks and interaction with her. Other men had been too creepy or weird, etc. The usual for most men on these sites. But it was looking real good for a nice sexy solid regular LT SB. I left her 150 (probably a little low) in her purse and did not tell her how much it was. I always send a follow up text about 30 min after we part saying I had a good time and that we should meet again. Which we had planned for the next week. She said she had a wonderful time but was very "sad" about the amount and that she was expecting more. So I texted back and said I do not want her to be sad and we should talk about it. She said "indeed". Did not text for a couple of days it was the weekend and then hit her up on Monday. No reply. Tried again and no reply.

Sent her a farewell text and said to contact me if she changed her mind. No reply. However over the next couple of weeks I noticed she was on the site off and on. Getting a taste of the human sewage that is on that site. Then one day I get a kiss from her and I text her back. No reply. No email no text nothing. And she also has my outside email address.

Then today all of a sudden I get a email via SD4ME from her she says "she lost her phone and all of her contacts and to text her", below is the transcript of the actual text my comments are in parenthese:

Me: Hello I just got your kiss on sdforme. Why didn't you just text me? 9:58 AM (From a couple of weeks ago)

Me: Sofia how are you? This is Revvo. 8:50 AM. (This and below was from today)

Sofia: Hi handsome Hru 8:53 AM.

Me: Well I am doing great sexy. I have missed my little sugar baby. 8:56 AM.

Me: So what happened to you? You went silent on me. Bad girl. 8:57 AM.

Sofia: Yes very bad 9:01 AM.

Me: Well we are just going to have to do something about that. 9:01 AM.

Me:. And I think I know just what you need. .9:03 AM.

Sofia: Indeed 9:04 AM.

Me: Yes indeed. Do you have a minute to talk? 9:06 AM.

Sofia: Not yet LOL 9:07 AM.

Me: Just got done working out, I am going to jump in the shower. When can you talk? 9:08 AM.

Sofia: In a little bit 9:09 AM.

Me: Ok. Just let me know sweetie. 9:10 AM.

Sofia: Ok I will sweetheart 9:10 AM.

Sofia: So whats your schedule look like this week? 12:21 PM.

Me: Tied up tomorrow but open on Wednesday. And you? 12:29 PM.

Me: Rest of the week I am tied up with family. How about you? 12:43 PM.

Sofia: I will make wed work but you have to actually be generous. Because I was very sad the last time. U should make up for that one too. 1:27 PM.

Me: Do you have a moment to talk? 1:28 PM.

Sofia: Busy day today not yet sweetheart 1:29 PM.

Me: Ok let me know when you can talk. 1:30 PM.

So I am not too inspired by this. As you can see she is still hung up on the 150 but does not say what she wants. And she does not have time to talk. Now I need to put this in context.

1. I am working with about 4 SB's right now and trying to figure out which ones to cut, since I do not have the time or money to support this many.

2. This particular one is a first class piece of ass. She is a lot of what I am looking for except for this money thing.

3. I have two right now that will do any thing for me and two others that are absolutely gorgeous if not as warm.

This is what I am thinking about texting her. What do you experts think?

"Sofia I am concerned about you being sad about the amount of the sugar and like I said I really do not want you to be sad. However I am also concerned that there appears to be communication issues between us. I had expressed to you how important communication is to me. You could have emailed me at any time to let me know about your phone problems. And I have been unable to get you on the phone. I believe it may be better if you reconsider whether you still want to continue with me. We do not need to rush into this. I have someone that is anxious to meet with me on Wednesday and we can take our time when you are not so busy and we can talk about it. I look forward to hearing from you."

So what do you guys think?

Should I send it like this? I like to take the high road. Would you make any changes? Would you just ignore her? Tell her to fuck off? Do you think she is a UTR?

Value your comments.

REVVO

[QUOTE=Revvo; 1804634]Ok. So here is an interesting situation that I have found myself in ad want to solicit advice from the many experienced mongers on this site. Here we go. About a month ago I got a hit on a latina on SD4ME to chat. We did chat and I asked for pics but got only a body shot but it looked really good. I took a chance and she was nice we had a pleasant M&G and she is a 32 YO White Latina MILF. 5'0" very curvey in a good way, a very good looking woman. I give her an 8/8/9 not counting the situation below. So we met a second time and she was ready to hit the sheets and we did. Very very good time, sensuous woman that was totally into sex and knew how to fuck. Great hands, juicey pussy, awesome kisser.

So what do you guys think?

Should I send it like this? I like to take the high road. Would you make any changes? Would you just ignore her? Tell her to fuck off? Do you think she is a UTR?

Value your comments.

REVVO[/QUOTE]This girl is a GPS Revvo. Do not get so heartfelt, it's degrading for you. Ask her what she expects per visit. If she is playing games and won't discuss her expectations with you leave and don't look back. Good luck!

I saw a new profile pop up on SA today. Her name is Libra and seems to have been a member since 2008.

If anyone knows anything about her. Feel free to private message me.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Hernando;1804679]This girl is a GPS Revvo. Do not get so heartfelt, it's degrading for you. Ask her what she expects per visit. If she is playing games and won't discuss her expectations with you leave and don't look back. Good luck![/QUOTE]Excellent point my man. Sometimes it takes a bit of a 2x4 to get me out of my bad habits. I will be firm and direct.

Thanks brother,

REVVO

[QUOTE=Hernando;1804679]This girl is a GPS Revvo. Do not get so heartfelt, it's degrading for you. Ask her what she expects per visit. If she is playing games and won't discuss her expectations with you leave and don't look back. Good luck![/QUOTE]I agree with Hernando, but I'd send her a text saying I gave you plenty of sugar last time. If you're not happy with it, then perhaps we're not right for each other. The idea is to take control of the conversation. If you ask her how much she wants, then she'll start high.

She is a good one and hard to let go, but another will come around.

June wasn't a good month for bikerider. Work was insanely busy, and my harem started to fall apart a bit. But, I'm rebuilding.

KAL. Has decided she wants children. Given she KNOWS that's not going to happen with me, she's opted to become a free agent. We're still communicating, but she's looking for Mr. Right as well.

Banker. Has gone dark, and we've not talked in about a week or so. I'm hoping she's just busy as I am.

MILF3. Moved about 3 hrs away. She's nagging me to come down and visit her but it isn't going to happen.

MILF1. Has been super busy as well.

That's the bad news. The good news MILF2 is still as horny as ever, and she's been picking up the slack. AA is not as busy lately, and we had one evening to celebrate her be-day (she said her hubby didn't even take her out).

I've also added my first SB. She's 27 AA and a real estate saleswoman which is great as she's available during the day! The woman literally fucks like a porn star.

The potentials are still around, but I've not had much time lately to engage or even get on SD4M (my free trial ended last week and I've not yet renewed). The potential I was most hopeful for pretty much crashed and burned. I was talking with a Veterinarian out of state with a killer body and a cute face. We had some great txt exchanges, and she started to hint that she wanted to buy a new dress etc. I said well when we meet I can take care of that for you. She dropped it. A week later. Same routine. She wants to go shopping. I gave the same response. I've pretty much dropped her as I suspect she's just getting guys to send her cash. Pity though. Pic attached.

If anyone wants to give her a run, PM me and I'll point you to her ad on SD4M.

Personally I think the worst part this girl did was abruptly dropped communication and then proceeded to jump back on the market without even telling you what her financial expectations were. This tells me she might be the type of girl who will cut you off at a drop of a dime if she gets a better offer and won't even give you a "Dear John" letter.

I do sympathize with your situation though. I'm having a somewhat similar experience with my EuroBaby. She's a top-shelf girl and we had an amazing time together. I gave her 150 at the end of the night, which was probably too low. Though in my case, she never complained or even mentioned the allowance. On the follow-up text she seemed upbeat. We continued to text for almost a week later but then she just dropped communication as if she fell off the face of the earth. The upside I guess is that she hasn't logged on to the SD sites in that time either, so she didn't go back on the open market. She mentioned she might have to make an overseas trip or something. Still until (if ever) I hear a valid excuse from her, abrupt stops in communication is just a no-go in my book if a girl wants to be my LT SB. Even if there was no malice intended, it leads to too much frustration and possible heart-ache. It's not hard to take 10 seconds to email / text a quick status update.

That said. Your situation Revvo and mine has made me think of something else as well. This is the downside to multi-fucking SBs and having a SB stable. When a true A-List SB shows up, someone who meets and exceeds all your requirements, you may not have the funds to support her. Or we may have the tendency to low-ball girls we probably shouldn't. I don't know the true reason yet why my EuroBaby has gone MIA, but I'm willing to bet if I gave her at least 200-350, then I likely would have heard from her by now and she would have given me a status update or something.

I know we here like to stay on budget and we give Kudos to guys who can get the most while giving the least. But I think this same attitude has been counter-productive in being able to hold on to worthwhile SBs, at least for some of us. Both Revvo and I admitted that we under-payed for the quality experience we got. It's hard to accuse a girl of GPS when we don't pay her value even by our own standards. Yes our charm or chemistry might get us some extra mileage but we probably should still be willing to give an allowance that better shows our appreciation for the experience if it was a great one. We don't have to break the bank, but at least something respectable that is worthy of the experience by our own standards. At the very least, if the amount still isn't acceptable to her then you'll know she was never really attainable. But it's better than having a sinking feeling that you let a good one go because of low-balling.

Again, I'm not just talking looks. A hot GPS girl is a dime a dozen. But a girl who basically stimulates you in every way doesn't come along often. I might be in the minority but I rather give one ATF, A-List SB 200-300 per meet than three B / C list SBs 100 per meet. The ATF is the one that has you in an after-glow for several days later, just reliving the experience in your head. A residual high. The B / C list SBs are just like quick adrenaline boosts. They're great in the moment, but it's short-lived. The experience doesn't stick with you in the same way and it's why you have to keep looking for more shortly after.

I think some of us need to reconcile that we're probably not going to find or at least hold on to A-List ATF SB as long as we try maintaining a stable of low-cost SBs and multi-fucking. I think I had it right last year when I had one solid backup SB but primarily focused on a single high quality SB. I was able to focus and keep my ATF happy for a few months. And we're actually still good friends today. Nowadays I think I'm spread too thin and I don't have the proper mindset, so when a good one does fall into my lap my immediate reaction isn't to try to make her happy but to give as little as possible so I can keep my stable in budget. This is actually counter-productive for what I'm ultimately trying to find.

Sorry for the random stream of thought Revvo, but I thought I'd share with you a slightly different take on the matter. As for your Latina, I would try to find out how much she is expecting for the allowance. Though from the way she's acting it seems she wants many times over 150. If you do though happen to come to an allowance that's agreeable, make sure she understands the lapse in communication is unacceptable. Though if we're being honest with ourselves, the reason the communication stopped is because she felt you low-balled her, which you kinda did.

[QUOTE=Revvo; 1804634]Ok. So here is an interesting situation that I have found myself in ad want to solicit advice from the many experienced mongers on this site.

REVVO[/QUOTE]Cut her loose

[QUOTE=John G Smith; 1804832]I'm willing to bet if I gave her at least 200-350, then I likely would have heard from her by now and she would have given me a status update or something.[/QUOTE]

I guess it all comes down to how many days a month you want to devote to your girls. For me it's almost everyday so I have to keep the costs down and focus more on skills and real chemistry even if I have to give up a little on looks or variety. At $$$ a visit I would be bangin nothing but model 10's and 10 different ones a month. But I can't afford that. It all comes down to what you can afford. To some guys $$$ a day might be a penny. I know of guys that have saved for a whole month to get that one $$$ date a month. If I get rich I will pay more too. But I am too cost conscious and single. So no SO to run home to.

[QUOTE=RiverCity2011; 1804739]I saw a new profile pop up on SA today. Her name is Libra and seems to have been a member since 2008.

If anyone knows anything about her. Feel free to private message me.

Thanks![/QUOTE]Stick with the new girls

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1804863]I guess it all comes down to how many days a month you want to devote to your girls. For me it's almost everyday so I have to keep the costs down and focus more on skills and real chemistry even if I have to give up a little on looks or variety. At $$$ a visit I would be bangin nothing but model 10's and 10 different ones a month. But I can't afford that. It all comes down to what you can afford. To some guys $$$ a day might be a penny. I know of guys that have saved for a whole month to get that one $$$ date a month. If I get rich I will pay more too. But I am too cost conscious and single. So no SO to run home to.[/QUOTE]Yeah HWG you definitely have a different (but awesome) situation than some of us, so I obviously understand why you handle things differently. For me, I really can really have 4-5 days a month for my girls. Once a week if she's local and maybe twice a month if she lives more than a hour away. Because I'm married, with kids who are young, and with work, I just don't have the time or resources to see a SB more than once a week unless she lived only 5-10 minutes away and had her own place we could meet at.

So generally with a LT SB, I'll see her maybe 1-3 times a month, but we'll txt everyday. And I'll have a local backup SB to augment the times when I have schedule conflicts with my primary. So $$. $$$ per visit is doable if I'm only seeing my primary 2-3 times a month. It's just I have to be disciplined and not go hunting for new SBs constantly or juggle 3-4 SBs at once. Just keep one semi-reliable backup.

We are Sugar Daddies after all. If we find a SB we truly like then we shouldn't be penny pinching to a fault. We should try to make her happy, so she'll make us happy. And it doesn't mean just giving $$$ a visit. It may mean still giving 150 but also having enough available to buy some nice flowers and a gift. If you think too hard on your CPO, then you may miss these little touches which will give you a lot of return in the long run.

[QUOTE=John G Smith;1804922]If you think too hard on your CPO, then you may miss these little touches which will give you a lot of return in the long run.[/QUOTE]I am mostly a once a day man. Sometimes 2. Today I didn't even finish. So I don't think in terms of CPO. But I do think in terms of Cost per day. Being single does make it different. There are choices out there and different scenarios. Something for everyone. And thats a good thing. I can only relate my situation. But I am interested in all the situations I read about. Thanks for the clarification.

I will say that at $$$ a day I would expect to have a perfect day with a hot girl. Anything less and I would walk immediately. At $ it can be less than perfect but at the moment I have a good group of girls.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1804863]I guess it all comes down to how many days a month you want to devote to your girls. For me it's almost everyday so I have to keep the costs down and focus more on skills and real chemistry even if I have to give up a little on looks or variety. At $$$ a visit I would be bangin nothing but model 10's and 10 different ones a month. But I can't afford that. It all comes down to what you can afford.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=John G Smith;1804922]We are Sugar Daddies after all. If we find a SB we truly like then we shouldn't be penny pinching to a fault. We should try to make her happy, so she'll make us happy. And it doesn't mean just giving $$$ a visit. It may mean still giving 150 but also having enough available to buy some nice flowers and a gift. If you think too hard on your CPO, then you may miss these little touches which will give you a lot of return in the long run.[/QUOTE]I think there is a whole lot to be said for both of these points. If I could find even three of the quality that HG has lined up who would be happy with LT sugar at a lower level, that would be perfect and I would probably cut way back on looking for new. That being said, I think I have lost out on a couple of really good candidates by going in too low, so I am trying to be judicious based on what I think the return is going to be. I am meeting my Korean / Caucasian mix girl for a second dinner tonight. She seems to be the real deal, so I am going to try hard and see what it will take to keep her around. JGS makes a good point, need to consider quality and not just CPO.

The flip side of both of these approaches is the fact that we all enjoy the thrill of the chase and the "I'd rather fuck a 6 three times than a 10 once" viewpoint. Sometimes I get in that mode, too.

[QUOTE=Revvo; 1804634]This is what I am thinking about texting her.

"Sofia I am concerned about you being sad about the amount of the sugar and like I said I really do not want you to be sad. However I am also concerned that there appears to be communication issues between us. I had expressed to you how important communication is to me. You could have emailed me at any time to let me know about your phone problems. And I have been unable to get you on the phone. I believe it may be better if you reconsider whether you still want to continue with me. We do not need to rush into this. I have someone that is anxious to meet with me on Wednesday and we can take our time when you are not so busy and we can talk about it. I look forward to hearing from you."

So what do you guys think?[/QUOTE]This paragraph will be hurtful to Sofia. It has one token sentence for her followed by seven sentences that deflect from Sofia's concern about the sugar. This doesn't make for good bedfellows. Revvo also makes it clear he has other irons in the fire and doesn't need Sofia which she will take as having her nose rubbed into it, to-wit:

[QUOTE=Revvo;1804634]I have someone that is anxious to meet with me on Wednesday[/QUOTE]The lowest [I]uncommon[/I] denominator is Revvo doesn't need her. I used to post quite often we must get along naturally or it won't work. I see nothing remotely close to getting along naturally here. The best way to end a discussion going south is with silence. This is best for Sofia and much kinder than the paragraphs quoted above.

P.S. I do not agree with others posting that Sofia has GPS. We don't know what she wants. All we know is she was not happy with 150. That's no indication of GPS.

GUys these answers are some great responses particularly I enjoyed John G. 's analysis. Because it so much paralleled my experience and how I am feeling.

I too go through these same emotions and have the same desires for a quality ATF experience and I sometimes wonder if I sabotage myself when I get too locked down in the pursuit of the next baby instead of focusing on my ATF.

These really help.

I will let you know what happens.

Revvo

[QUOTE=Golfcart;1804996]P.S. I do not agree with others posting that Sofia has GPS. We don't know what she wants. All we know is she was not happy with 150. That's no indication of GPS.[/QUOTE]Sounds like GPS to me, she not only wants more $$$$, she wants him to add more $$$$ to the 1st fucking.

Some Will.

Some Won't.

So What.

Next

[QUOTE=BikeRider;1804829]If anyone wants to give her a run, PM me and I'll point you to her ad on SD4M.[/QUOTE]A little off topic, but do you guys prefer the boobs big and squished together or smaller and separated? Or some other combo? I prefer smaller and separated, push up bras are cool, but only pushed up not squished together.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1805240]A little off topic, but do you guys prefer the boobs big and squished together or smaller and separated? Or some other combo? I prefer smaller and separated, push up bras are cool, but only pushed up not squished together.[/QUOTE]The picture in BR's post looked really good to me. I like tight. No belly fat, no jiggly thighs. I'm ok with relatively small boobs in exchange for that. Not a big fan of aftermarket boobs, but when the OEM equipment runs flat, I guess sometimes they add esthetic value.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1805240]A little off topic, but do you guys prefer the boobs big and squished together or smaller and separated? Or some other combo? I prefer smaller and separated, push up bras are cool, but only pushed up not squished together.[/QUOTE]I'm an equal opportunity breast man. But, I have to say the Vet's were some of the nicest I've seen. She claims they're natural. Pity I didn't get a chance to confirm.

Revvo: It is a tricky problem to have. Make sure that you keep in mind your ultimate goal and be as smooth as possible getting to that. If the goal is to get her at a price that you can afford, then check what you can afford and offer it to her and move on. If the goal is to get her as cheap as possible, try that, but know there is risk involved. Whatever the goal, be diligent and check to see if your words will compromise that goal.

I have spent a lot of time in the $150 or less per visit range. As I came across so many flakes, I decided that if the sex was going to be mediocre and the passion was going to be limited, then I'd go for quantity. However, I've always had my eye open for quality. I've been prepared to kick out the 1000+ per month for the right quality. But because of that amount and my ability to have such variety and fun with the lower quality ones, to make that kind of commitment, then I need the ability to see a person at least 6 times a month with one to two overnights thrown in there.

So as stated before, there are times where we may be on either side of the fence on that topic. Overall, I prefer when I have that one with high quality in all areas and I'm willing to up my sugar accordingly. In the end, a few hundred per month should not keep a true SD away from the woman who meets all of his qualifications. When she feels appreciated appropriately, it usually results in lots of positives for the SD.

Assuming that the sex is fine, I'm getting into my first full blown arrangement in a long time with MsLatinaCoed. She's beautiful, sexy, smart, etc. She is a top quality SB. To the point where I had to make some tough decisions on how to handle her, this includes giving a certain amount upfront. I was at first hesitant, but I knew I was upgrading my talent and there are costs that come with that. Once she agreed to meet at least twice a week and weekends away, then I knew the money would actually be less than what I normally spend.

So I'm taking the leap of faith and giving her 1/2 of the monthly allowance today and the other 1/2 on the 15th. This is a happy medium for us both. If I'm right I'll be at $.25 per meeting without hotel costs and minimum dating costs. It's just out of my comfort zone to give this amount in advance. She's told me that after I pay on the first by the time she finishes with me, I'll definitely be paying the allowance on the 15th. If I'm wrong I'm out of $$$$$ and I'm back to having no faith in the human race, LOL. It's a classic case of trusting intuition. However full disclosure, I've lost more with my intuition before. I have her name, address, bank account, etc. I've not picked up on any of the normal red flags.

In Closing (In my best Jerry Springer Voice)

Sometimes we have to get out of our financial comfort zone for the truly high quality SBs. Yet even when she's staring us in the face, we are wired to be skeptical yet optimistic. Each action runs the risk of us being in emotional and physical bliss, squandering the opportunity for such or being taken for our hard earned cash. As SDs, we are constantly seeking the balance of trust and money, this is an inexact science and there isn't a rule book for every situation. At minimum we can hope to minimize financial damage and have some great stories to tell. This is why we have the board and each other here.

BigTigg

I'd like to refer my friends here to a post I did in the Shenandoah area:

[url]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2699-Central-Northern-Shenandoah-Valley&p=1805540&viewfull=1#post1805540[/url]

It refers to a girl who has been in the SB world but now seems to be leaning into the selective hooker world with GPS.

Regards.

GW