If your brave enough you can some cheap ones for a while. These places are going to disappear from all this publicity!!
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If your brave enough you can some cheap ones for a while. These places are going to disappear from all this publicity!!
In the way past got full service there, but the last two times it was not offered. Standard with out asking for money but at finish she said forty tip for what she did. Thought it might of been a fluke so I tried it again same thing. Now this was in Nov and in Jan. FS was back in the summer last year.
Wonder if anyone has visited Massage Matters on Hickory in Melbourne and what kind of dreams and experiences you have had there? Inquiring minds what to know! I see they are posting daily on STG.
[QUOTE=CaveMan015;4121902]I've dreamt of Ronnie many times over the past 3 or 4 years. Massage is OK. She usually gets one leg pretty thoroughly, then goes to the next leg and only last a few minutes before she asks me to flip over. BBBJ is not great and she admits its not her thing. But, Very Very horny and loves to get fucked hard. Dreamt in Greek there a few times. I like her a lot. Word to the wise, I always take a shower when I get there. It makes me feel less self conscious and Ronnie has told me its one reason why I always get great treatment. She has a friend and I've had doubles with them a few times and well worth it. Super fun with both of them together.[/QUOTE]Had some free time today and decided to pay Ronnie a visit in Cape Canaveral. Now I remembered reading this posting about taking a shower when you arrive and I had seen Ronnie many times before this over the years but had never taken her up on the shower but she had always offered it. So screw it, I took the shower and my experience was the best I have had with her ever! Now I still got the normal Illuminati, conspiracy theory talk for the first 10 minutes or so, but after that it was oh how horny she was and how she hadn't had a good greek experience in a while! Now normally I am not all about that but I have seen how riled this lady can get by DATY and CG, so I figured what the hell let me test the waters. She is an animal and I must say that it was one hell of an experience that I will not soon forget! There are far better looking providers out there and she has some real odd conversations some times, but for the amount charged she is definitely worth seeing. Oh and I highly suggest taking the shower, I know I will from now on!
So I have not been there, but I had a dream with Barbie on STG and she said she worked there. Will post a review of her in the Escort Section. If the services there are what she offered me, it should be decent.
[QUOTE=Willie24;4160354]Wonder if anyone has visited Massage Matters on Hickory in Melbourne and what kind of dreams and experiences you have had there? Inquiring minds what to know! I see they are posting daily on STG.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Willie24;4160354]Wonder if anyone has visited Massage Matters on Hickory in Melbourne and what kind of dreams and experiences you have had there? Inquiring minds what to know! I see they are posting daily on STG.[/QUOTE]I have last month and it was ok, older lady with a bit of a pouch in the middle but very willing.
Had a dream with the new girl, I think her name was Emmy. Very eager and willing, nice table shower, mediocre message. Work the trip!
I think I posted my review in the escort section. But I dreamed of Ashley at massage matters about a month ago. 50 door fee for a hhr. The place is super clean and discrete. Met barbie and amber while I was there. Amber is the girl with glasses in the ad. I think you can make your experience what you want. I didn't get any massage just straight into CBJ, daty, then mish. Ashley is a cutie and super sweet. I think she'll meet you at MM whenever you want but she lives in Merritt island. My only complaint would be the covered BJ. I didn't ask if BBBJ was ok since it was our first time together. It didn't kill it but I know none of prefer it. LOL.
Snake.
[QUOTE=Willie24;4160354]Wonder if anyone has visited Massage Matters on Hickory in Melbourne and what kind of dreams and experiences you have had there? Inquiring minds what to know! I see they are posting daily on STG.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Willie24;4160354]Wonder if anyone has visited Massage Matters on Hickory in Melbourne and what kind of dreams and experiences you have had there? Inquiring minds what to know! I see they are posting daily on STG.[/QUOTE]I have visited there on 3 different occasions. And each time had a dream with a different girl. Other than the first dream it was very clinical, everything covered no DATY available. Very well may have just been the girls.
Gentlemen,
Be very careful. As I read the news looks like this has been planned for a while. Including hidden cameras.
Danny.
[URL]https://www.tcpalm.com/picture-gallery/news/crime/2019/02/19/human-trafficking-ring-martin-county/2920047002/[/URL]
Was going to Orlando to visit an AMP since the ones here services have gone down, before going there I checked the reviews and new and media reports. Enough to scare a guy.
Looks like East Spa and AA Massage in Sebastian are closed today.
No bueno.
[QUOTE=DannyBo;4161458]Gentlemen,
Be very careful. As I read the news looks like this has been planned for a while. Including hidden cameras.
Danny.
[URL]https://www.tcpalm.com/picture-gallery/news/crime/2019/02/19/human-trafficking-ring-martin-county/2920047002/[/URL][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ToyotaVon;4162032]Looks like East Spa and AA Massage in Sebastian are closed today.
No bueno.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.floridatoday.com/story/news/local/2019/02/21/human-trafficking-florida-massage-parlors-vero-beach-sebastian/2944898002/[/URL]
Ya a lot of vero spas are done.
Huge sweep. Not going to post any links because names and photos are included. Lessons to be learned.
Stay safe.
[QUOTE=ToyotaVon;4162666]Huge sweep. Not going to post any links because names and photos are included. Lessons to be learned.
Stay safe.[/QUOTE]The recent raids and arrests of approx. 200 individuals just south in Indian River County raises a whole new level of concern for those (myself included) who previously considered visits to AMPs to be relatively safer than some of the alternatives. A review of some of the stories appearing in the Vero Beach and Indian River Newspapers and a look at the photos of more than 70-100 Johns arrested is really concerning. I remain curious as to the circumstances under which they were arrested and how it all went down. (1) Were the arrests the result of Secret cameras in the massage rooms and then arrests of the Johns once they left the premises, or (2) police pretending to be therapists and just waiting for the johns to solicit for something more than a massage. Although some of the 200 arrests claimed were owners and managers of these parlors, most appeared to be customers, at least according to the stories I've read.
[QUOTE=NoLongerLurker;4163145]The recent raids and arrests of approx. 200 individuals just south in Indian River County raises a whole new level of concern for those (myself included) who previously considered visits to AMPs to be relatively safer than some of the alternatives. A review of some of the stories appearing in the Vero Beach and Indian River Newspapers and a look at the photos of more than 70-100 Johns arrested is really concerning. I remain curious as to the circumstances under which they were arrested and how it all went down. (1) Were the arrests the result of Secret cameras in the massage rooms and then arrests of the Johns once they left the premises, or (2) police pretending to be therapists and just waiting for the johns to solicit for something more than a massage. Although some of the 200 arrests claimed were owners and managers of these parlors, most appeared to be customers, at least according to the stories I've read.[/QUOTE]I guess they had cameras set up in massage rooms. Yikes! I think I will be avoiding the Asian establishments for the forseeable future. Human trafficking is what they are really after I think, but the mongers looking to score are getting caught up in it. Sucks, be careful out there fellas.
[QUOTE=NoLongerLurker;4163145]The recent raids and arrests of approx. 200 individuals just south in Indian River County raises a whole new level of concern for those (myself included) who previously considered visits to AMPs to be relatively safer than some of the alternatives. A review of some of the stories appearing in the Vero Beach and Indian River Newspapers and a look at the photos of more than 70-100 Johns arrested is really concerning. I remain curious as to the circumstances under which they were arrested and how it all went down. (1) Were the arrests the result of Secret cameras in the massage rooms and then arrests of the Johns once they left the premises, or (2) police pretending to be therapists and just waiting for the johns to solicit for something more than a massage. Although some of the 200 arrests claimed were owners and managers of these parlors, most appeared to be customers, at least according to the stories I've read.[/QUOTE]Yeah I was wondering myself how they got that many johns at one time. I assume they couldn't have went back to people who visited previously?
[QUOTE=Beel926;4163232]Yeah I was wondering myself how they got that many johns at one time. I assume they couldn't have went back to people who visited previously?[/QUOTE]According to an article in today's Florida Today, they said cameras were installed in rooms of the parlors. A few cops went in for massages and when it came time for the flip they were offered sexual favors anywhere from. 4 to $$. When that happened the cop said, oh I don't have enough on me, I'll be right back. Never came back. One girl actually ask him, are you a cop? I think they actually stopped guys leaving the parlors and busted them there. They followed owners transporting girls from one AMP to another. Even put a tracker on one owners car. So It seems that I may not be visiting my usual AMP'S in the cumming days, weeks or months just to lay low for a while. Oh and BTW, They started the sting back in Sept or Oct last year. As always, Play and stay safe.
[QUOTE=ScottyM3;4163310]According to an article in today's Florida Today, they said cameras were installed in rooms of the parlors. A few cops went in for massages and when it came time for the flip they were offered sexual favors anywhere from. 4 to $$. When that happened the cop said, oh I don't have enough on me, I'll be right back. Never came back. One girl actually ask him, are you a cop? I think they actually stopped guys leaving the parlors and busted them there. They followed owners transporting girls from one AMP to another. Even put a tracker on one owners car. So It seems that I may not be visiting my usual AMP'S in the cumming days, weeks or months just to lay low for a while. Oh and BTW, They started the sting back in Sept or Oct last year. As always, Play and stay safe.[/QUOTE]OMFG, I'm watching the noon news at the moment. They just mentioned that the NE Pats owner was arrested in that sting down south. Dayum. Chit is hitting the fan.
[QUOTE=ScottyM3;4163334]OMFG, I'm watching the noon news at the moment. They just mentioned that the NE Pats owner was arrested in that sting down south. Dayum. Chit is hitting the fan.[/QUOTE]My biggest concern is how where the cameras installed and who installed them. Was it a trade out between owners and police ("You let us install cameras and we won't arrest you or close you down" or did the police install them without the knowledge of the owners, or what?
P.S. The NE Pats owner was charged with two counts of soliciting for prostitution. By the way, he has his chauffeur drive him to the spa! <g .
[QUOTE=NoLongerLurker;4163584]My biggest concern is how where the cameras installed and who installed them. Was it a trade out between owners and police ("You let us install cameras and we won't arrest you or close you down" or did the police install them without the knowledge of the owners, or what?
P.S. The NE Pats owner was charged with two counts of soliciting for prostitution. By the way, he has his chauffeur drive him to the spa!.[/QUOTE]Several good questions arise.
1st, in news articles, the police claim the girls actually lived at the parlors, could not leave without supervision.
How did under cover install cameras in side a "room" ? Perhaps, the "therapist " left the room for a few minutes, with modern tech, no wires would be needed and micro camera could be hidden in a non conspicuous spot.
Which Parlor did Pat's Owner visit? Police are not saying (at this time).
How did he (Pat's Owner) get there? Most billionaires have chauffeur AND have employees sign NDAs (Non disclosure agreements).
If a crime, or potential crime is accused, any NDA is null and void. Therefore the chauffeur would be force to testify, cooperate with law enforcement.
Which poses a 3rd question. WHY, with that kind of $ $ $ $, would you not order outcall?
4th Question. With all the trouble his very good friend, POTUS is in (for sexual indiscretions), you would think he may have been a bit more cautious?
Glad I did not visit a "relief " station last fall, while vacationing in South Florida (LOL).
Jamesj.
[QUOTE=ScottyM3;4163310]According to an article in today's Florida Today, they said cameras were installed in rooms of the parlors. A few cops went in for massages and when it came time for the flip they were offered sexual favors anywhere from. 4 to $$. When that happened the cop said, oh I don't have enough on me, I'll be right back. Never came back. One girl actually ask him, are you a cop? I think they actually stopped guys leaving the parlors and busted them there. They followed owners transporting girls from one AMP to another. Even put a tracker on one owners car. So It seems that I may not be visiting my usual AMP'S in the cumming days, weeks or months just to lay low for a while. Oh and BTW, They started the sting back in Sept or Oct last year. As always, Play and stay safe.[/QUOTE]I'm sure these headlines will soon include Brevard. You know that good ole Wayne also wants to get in on the action and get his face in front of the camera.
[QUOTE=NoLongerLurker;4163584]My biggest concern is how where the cameras installed and who installed them. Was it a trade out between owners and police ("You let us install cameras and we won't arrest you or close you down" or did the police install them without the knowledge of the owners, or what?
P.S. The NE Pats owner was charged with two counts of soliciting for prostitution. By the way, he has his chauffeur drive him to the spa! <g .[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.boston.com/sports/new-england-patriots/2019/02/22/patriots-robert-kraft-charged-prostitution[/URL]
This may be why one of the popular spas inOrlando has been shut down. I don't understand how heir anyone can be charged unless there was a hidden camera & in the massage room or corroborated evidence from a therapist. I think this may be the end for AMPs. I know I will not be visiting any of them at least not until the law enforcement priorities shift away. I have too much to lose. I'll stick with USA classifieds.
[QUOTE=Jamesj;4163688]Several good questions arise.
1st, in news articles, the police claim the girls actually lived at the parlors, could not leave without supervision.
How did under cover install cameras in side a "room" ? Perhaps, the "therapist " left the room for a few minutes, with modern tech, no wires would be needed and micro camera could be hidden in a non conspicuous spot.
Which Parlor did Pat's Owner visit? Police are not saying (at this time).
How did he (Pat's Owner) get there? Most billionaires have chauffeur AND have employees sign NDAs (Non disclosure agreements).
If a crime, or potential crime is accused, any NDA is null and void. Therefore the chauffeur would be force to testify, cooperate with law enforcement.
Which poses a 3rd question. WHY, with that kind of $ $ $ $, would you not order outcall?
4th Question. With all the trouble his very good friend, POTUS is in (for sexual indiscretions), you would think he may have been a bit more cautious?
Glad I did not visit a "relief " station last fall, while vacationing in South Florida (LOL).
Jamesj.[/QUOTE]Cameras were already in place. They used the existing security system footage for the busts. If this is all what they are saying, the owners kept pretty tight control.
[QUOTE=PeterNorth9;4164066]Cameras were already in place. They used the existing security system footage for the busts. If this is all what they are saying, the owners kept pretty tight control.[/QUOTE]Well if LEO used their own camera's it's quite easy actually to put them in a room. When I go to Zen, and others, I go in, pay the door fee, then the girl leaves the room to give mamasan the money. In that short of time I'm sure they could possibly get their own camera installed in a short time. Or they hacked in to the spa's camera system. As far as making a deal with the owners for use of their cams, I kind of doubt that as many owners were "reported" arrested. But hey, we'll never really know.
[QUOTE=ScottyM3;4164084]Well if LEO used their own camera's it's quite easy actually to put them in a room. When I go to Zen, and others, I go in, pay the door fee, then the girl leaves the room to give mamasan the money. In that short of time I'm sure they could possibly get their own camera installed in a short time. Or they hacked in to the spa's camera system. As far as making a deal with the owners for use of their cams, I kind of doubt that as many owners were "reported" arrested. But hey, we'll never really know.[/QUOTE]TMZ reports a worker at Orchid assisted with camera. Also no vaginal sex recorded. Only hh and bjs.
The repercussions are already spreading far and wide and likely will affect all of FL for months to come. This one calculated bust will slow down and in some cases close down many shops as most of us will head for safe ground. The camera angle alone was evil genius on LEOs part as now all of use will wonder and be suspicious. Either of the police or the owners. Suspicion and fear of something like a tiny recording device will keep many away from the more fun spots. Big win for the legit parlors but those too will clamp down on any under the table favors. I really don't think this is the end of it. The targets seem to be those shops known for FS menus so Orlando might be next. But then I can't help but think places like BO and GG are well known establishments. I'll stick to UTR sites for the foreseeable future and watch and wait for the dust to settle. From now on I'll be looking any room over closely. Stay safe and stay out of the news.
Robert Kraft, you just won Super Bowl LIII, what are you going to tell your players and staff. "HEY EVERYBODY, WE'RE GOING TO ORCHID SPA, WE'RE ALL going to GET LAID. ".
[QUOTE=PeterNorth9;4164066]Cameras were already in place. They used the existing security system footage for the busts. If this is all what they are saying, the owners kept pretty tight control.[/QUOTE]At the presser in IRC, the VBPD Chief and IRC Sheriff flat out said they obtained surveillance warrants from a judge to install hidden cameras in the shops. So they may have also seized the shops footage or tapped into it as well as you suggested.
IRC Sheriff also hinted they used other means of surveillance but refused to go into detail when asked.
I'd bet a dollar, they had multiple cameras in the parking lots, as well as Stingrays deployed at each shop to capture your cell phone I'd and number from your cell phone, and that stuff of course is logged and time stamped.
[QUOTE=EastDragon;4153018]Mind describing her? How old was she? Want to see if it's worth the drive.[/QUOTE]Sorry EastDragon, I didn't see this post. She is small, small breast, pretty face. Tight in all the right places.
[QUOTE=JSunSurf;4155868]Had a legit shoulder problem Monday from moving and building furniture for a friend. For years I have seen Cindy's ads and tried to hook up but never worked it out. This week, the communication was better and I set up an hour.
Her studio is really cool. Retro, nice vibe with a 1990's bose radio providing tunes. Cindy, as others have said, looks nothing like her photos. She's a little heavier and a bit older. She asked if I wanted a shower. I just had one so I declined, which may have been a mistake.
Good massage, she focused on legs. I didn't mention my shoulder. It's been my experince that if you mention pain, a good LMT will stay away for liability reasons. Maybe because of the lack of shower, it was only 45 minutes start to finish. I felt better but not like a LMT worked out things.
No extras were offered nor did it feel any time like they were forthcoming. The $ fee was paid up front and I didn't tip. It was a short massage, although a good one, and was a bit overpriced in my opinion. Here's my take:
Cindy is super nice and I would think about going back for legit massage. That said, she's about 0. 3 overpriced for a legit one hour massage that has the extra sketch factor of old school massage parlor. Cocoa Beach Health and fitness offers a much better sports massage for similar money and a legit location.
Maybe I had a bad vibe. As I said, Cindy is a great person, but I think it's a tough business model to straddle the line between legit and posting on the usual sites.[/QUOTE]Perhaps this is more easily explained now? Possibly she'd been given a head-up by a "leaking" client.
No, not [i]that[/i] kind (.)(.). The bad kind. I'd be interested in opinions from you guys out there with legal expertise. Will post this on several other boards around state.
Presumably, the mega-wealthy Kraft has the best legal team money can buy. Is it possible that local authorities are having an "Oh Shit!" experience as they conjure up the possibility of facing a high-powered legal onslaught? Maybe not. But, with thousand dollar per hour (or whatever they get) people figuring out ways to overcome this clusterfuck for their guy, is it conceivable that a determination would be made that the whole thing gets thrown out due to citizen privacy rights getting trampled, extreme bias or other factors (which I know nothing about)? And if that were the case, could it result in the opposite of intended effect by making it less likely that LE would execute similar operations? Maybe even make it unconstitutional to bug a massage therapy client room? It would be pretty amazing if LE landed a fish so big that it sinks their boat.
-AG.
[QUOTE=AreaGentleman;4165364]No, not <i>that<i/> kind. The bad kind. I'd be interested in opinions from you guys out there with legal expertise. Will post this on several other boards around state.
Presumably, the mega-wealthy Kraft has the best legal team money can buy. Is it possible that local authorities are having an "Oh Shit!" experience as they conjure up the possibility of facing a high-powered legal onslaught? Maybe not. But, with thousand dollar per hour (or whatever they get) people figuring out ways to overcome this clusterfuck for their guy, is it conceivable that a determination would be made that the whole thing gets thrown out due to violation of citizen privacy rights getting trampled, extreme bias or other factors? And if that were the case, could it result in the opposite of intended effect by making it less likely that LE would execute similar operations? Maybe even make it unconstitutional to bug a massage therapy client room? It would be pretty amazing if LE landed a fish so big that it sinks their boat.
-AG.[/QUOTE]Just my thoughts, it causes a severe damper on the whole business throughout the state and elsewhere. It is definitely politically motivated. Most people will now think twice before entering any of these establishments not to mention the number that will close down as a result of this publicity. If the State of Florida wanted to dictate morality they have certainly succeeded. These girls will return to the streets and the pages of Skip the Games and elsewhere. I for one would think twice before entering any of these places as a result of these headlines. Be safe and cautious out there!
It will likely settle out of court with a "no admission of guilt " where the extortionist (prosecutor) gets paid and the violator pays the tax to the king aka municipality for several reasons.
One being that football is a huge social engineering effort by global investors through government to gain profit from the mass of illiterates out there. A huge media circus over this could hurt the industry and the profits therefrom.
Football is an "American" family sport and pimps and hoes are not so widely accepted by the family unit.
Another is that the lawyers ALWAYS attempt settlement if they are any good at all to avoid any further infamy for their client. More infamy gets in the way of the blackmail on the DL.
To examine that bust profile is to see a unicorn on the billions of acres of sheep.
It will not be thrown out for lack of merit, be sure of that. ELO would not make that bust unless they had a good case.
It will never be heard of in public again because that is the exact job good legal counsel MUST and will do.
The record will be expunged and no further public comments will be made for the possibility of being sued for slander and libel as the NFL, the pats, the advertisers, the cities where the games are played, all the vendors to the industry have a LOT to lose on this one.
[QUOTE=AreaGentleman;4165364]No, not that kind OO. The bad kind. I'd be interested in opinions from you guys out there with legal expertise. Will post this on several other boards around state.
Presumably, the mega-wealthy Kraft has the best legal team money can buy. Is it possible that local authorities are having an "Oh Shit!" experience as they conjure up the possibility of facing a high-powered legal onslaught? Maybe not. But, with thousand dollar per hour (or whatever they get) people figuring out ways to overcome this clusterfuck for their guy, is it conceivable that a determination would be made that the whole thing gets thrown out due to violation of citizen privacy rights getting trampled, extreme bias or other factors (which I know nothing about)? And if that were the case, could it result in the opposite of intended effect by making it less likely that LE would execute similar operations? Maybe even make it unconstitutional to bug a massage therapy client room? It would be pretty amazing if LE landed a fish so big that it sinks their boat.
-AG.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I do believe that the Asian massage parlors are going to have rough times ahead and most will end up shutting down as people stop going. I know I for one will stay clear for the forseeable future. It just isn't worth the risks. Too much paranoia now.
[QUOTE=AreaGentleman;4165364]No, not [i]that[/i] kind (.)(.). The bad kind. I'd be interested in opinions from you guys out there with legal expertise. Will post this on several other boards around state.
Presumably, the mega-wealthy Kraft has the best legal team money can buy. Is it possible that local authorities are having an "Oh Shit!" experience as they conjure up the possibility of facing a high-powered legal onslaught? Maybe not. But, with thousand dollar per hour (or whatever they get) people figuring out ways to overcome this clusterfuck for their guy, is it conceivable that a determination would be made that the whole thing gets thrown out due to citizen privacy rights getting trampled, extreme bias or other factors (which I know nothing about)? And if that were the case, could it result in the opposite of intended effect by making it less likely that LE would execute similar operations? Maybe even make it unconstitutional to bug a massage therapy client room? It would be pretty amazing if LE landed a fish so big that it sinks their boat.
-AG.[/QUOTE]It doesn't matter to the system if Kraft gets off. Nabbing Kraft is the icing on the cake. He is what has given this bust legs. It's mentioned in every newspaper I've seen and given the bust a 1000 x magnification. The real purpose is to scare Johns, which will close these places down. Given how easily they were able to put video cameras in the therapy rooms, it's hard to imagine anyone going there again. And with such a high profile win, more and more stings like this will be authorized. The danger is after they bore with that, where do they start looking next?
[QUOTE=Willie24;4165377]Just my thoughts, it causes a severe damper on the whole business throughout the state and elsewhere. It is definitely politically motivated. Most people will now think twice before entering any of these establishments not to mention the number that will close down as a result of this publicity. If the State of Florida wanted to dictate morality they have certainly succeeded. These girls will return to the streets and the pages of Skip the Games and elsewhere. I for one would think twice before entering any of these places as a result of these headlines. Be safe and cautious out there![/QUOTE]Conservatives have lamented the attack on freedom for decades, now look at what we have- the embodiment of KGB practices. I can think of at least 5 more serious threats to public safety than 2 consenting adults harming no one.
What is the penalty for pleading guilty to getting a hand job at an AMP? It's hard to believe in 2019 we're even talking about this being such a serious headline news worthy event...it's like a reality TV show, complete with multiple units, cameras, turncoat AMP workers, etc. Robert Mueller doesn't have this level of intensity.
Would any judge give Kraft anything more than a fine and a slap on the wrist? I know this is Florida & God only knows what's possible but it's just that John's are usually not prosecuted or slapped on the wrist.
The damage they've done to Kraft in the press is already way beyond the level of punishment that any john doe getting a rub and tug would get.
[QUOTE=AnonJohn;4166032]What is the penalty for pleading guilty to getting a hand job at an AMP? It's hard to believe in 2019 we're even talking about this being such a serious headline news worthy event...it's like a reality TV show, complete with multiple units, cameras, turncoat AMP workers, etc. Robert Mueller doesn't have this level of intensity.
Would any judge give Kraft anything more than a fine and a slap on the wrist? I know this is Florida & God only knows what's possible but it's just that John's are usually not prosecuted or slapped on the wrist.
The damage they've done to Kraft in the press is already way beyond the level of punishment that any john doe getting a rub and tug would get.[/QUOTE]That's all he is going to get. He has too much money and power.
[QUOTE=AnonJohn;4166032]What is the penalty for pleading guilty to getting a hand job at an AMP? It's hard to believe in 2019 we're even talking about this being such a serious headline news worthy event...it's like a reality TV show, complete with multiple units, cameras, turncoat AMP workers, etc. Robert Mueller doesn't have this level of intensity.
Would any judge give Kraft anything more than a fine and a slap on the wrist? I know this is Florida & God only knows what's possible but it's just that John's are usually not prosecuted or slapped on the wrist.
The damage they've done to Kraft in the press is already way beyond the level of punishment that any john doe getting a rub and tug would get.[/QUOTE]I was reading a paper in Europe yesterday and it gets a full page story there. Apparently they are saying there are bigger public fish than him caught up. Let's see. The comments were hilarious though. People mystified how in the land of the free this is such a big deal (no one buys the trafficking line).