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[QUOTE=Man4404;2147796]I did a while ago. Seemed to be a number of similar ads seeming to come from NW of GR and / or Muskegon. Nothing but upcharge. Quoted price was nothing more than show up, get into undies and massage. One wanted 3 times the quoted price for FS. After 2 such experiences, I avoid all of those and any where the number is out of Muskegon. A number of these ads seem to be written by the same person.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. I will be a fool no longer. As temping as the photos are I will never try one of those again.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the info. I have been tempted so many times.

So it finally happened to me, random contact for a massage off craigslist, cash and dash, and I'm out 80 bucks. Kind of sucks, I did not follow standard protocal, my fault really. But the girl have me her name, number, Facebook account, place of employment, and told me through text messages how she sometimes sells ADD and pain pills to other employees and crackheads. Of my contact info she has, email, name, phone, would not be easily traceable to me for the average person. My first thought was to slash her tires, but that thought went away quickly. I'm thinking about mailing a print out of the conversation to her place of employment. Either extreme embarrassment or at best loss of employment. Just curious what the concensus is about this from the group. To me this seems like the most passive aggressive form of retribution, and isn't illegal.

[QUOTE=Gcd02;2147909]So it finally happened to me, random contact for a massage off craigslist, cash and dash, and I'm out 80 bucks. Kind of sucks, I did not follow standard protocal, my fault really. But the girl have me her name, number, Facebook account, place of employment, and told me through text messages how she sometimes sells ADD and pain pills to other employees and crackheads. Of my contact info she has, email, name, phone, would not be easily traceable to me for the average person. My first thought was to slash her tires, but that thought went away quickly. I'm thinking about mailing a print out of the conversation to her place of employment. Either extreme embarrassment or at best loss of employment. Just curious what the concensus is about this from the group. To me this seems like the most passive aggressive form of retribution, and isn't illegal.[/QUOTE]First of all, I want to thank Monger Heaven for creating this board. It's saved and is still saving my ass regularly, About the *****, I'm somewhat radical. I'd f. K with her everyway possible Starting with the tires! Damn, you're ucky.

Enough to have all that info. Get the *****! One suggestion. We like to post contact info on here, negative or positive, for all of us geezers to see. It's a form of contributing to the site. Hell, I might to make her life a.

Little miserable. I've done it before. The geezers on the board don't agree with me, but that's me.

[QUOTE=Gcd02;2147909]So it finally happened to me, random contact for a massage off craigslist, cash and dash, and I'm out 80 bucks. Kind of sucks, I did not follow standard protocal, my fault really. But the girl have me her name, number, Facebook account, place of employment, and told me through text messages how she sometimes sells ADD and pain pills to other employees and crackheads. Of my contact info she has, email, name, phone, would not be easily traceable to me for the average person. My first thought was to slash her tires, but that thought went away quickly. I'm thinking about mailing a print out of the conversation to her place of employment. Either extreme embarrassment or at best loss of employment. Just curious what the concensus is about this from the group. To me this seems like the most passive aggressive form of retribution, and isn't illegal.[/QUOTE]One of the reasons I stick with known reliable providers. I got taken once, which is one of the reasons I stopped picking up SW. I however, was pissed off enough to contact a police officer, GR wasn't as aggressive of keeping the SW trade under control back then. At any rate he made it clear to the lady, she could give back my cash or go to jail. As things are these days, I would not suggest that approach.

[QUOTE=BadBoyFourU;2148425]One of the reasons I stick with known reliable providers. I got taken once, which is one of the reasons I stopped picking up SW. I however, was pissed off enough to contact a police officer, GR wasn't as aggressive of keeping the SW trade under control back then. At any rate he made it clear to the lady, she could give back my cash or go to jail. As things are these days, I would not suggest that approach.[/QUOTE]Yes, SW's have a rap for rips. But it is my experience only a small percentage of SW's rip guys off. In fact I will hazard a guess that those with a phone and add, rip guys off slightly more often than the average SW. But I'm not a good judge of this since I concentrate on SW's and avoid the higher cost SP's.

The best SW's are the BP / ad gals who are out and about because their phone isn't ringing enough. These 8's,9's, 10's are a real bargain. Of course some of them can be rips too. I have honed my SW picking skills where now I can find the UTR gals who provide an awesome GFE. There are also many fine looking SW's, newer to the job, that rate high in looks and 10 in skills.

At least with a SW, she is telling the world I am available. The trick is to negotiate quickly before reaching a destination, and cover the details of what is expected. And always be willing to cut your losses before getting too far down the road. The best line I have found so far; is, do you have some time? This tells them, I do not want a quick B&G. And for me there is no such thing. I'm too old for quick anything!

Be safe and good hunting. MW.

[QUOTE=MwJrp;2148510]Yes, SW's have a rap for rips. But it is my experience only a small percentage of SW's rip guys off. In fact I will hazard a guess that those with a phone and add, rip guys off slightly more often than the average SW. But I'm not a good judge of this since I concentrate on SW's and avoid the higher cost SP's.

The best SW's are the BP / ad gals who are out and about because their phone isn't ringing enough. These 8's,9's, 10's are a real bargain. Of course some of them can be rips too. I have honed my SW picking skills where now I can find the UTR gals who provide an awesome GFE. There are also many fine looking SW's, newer to the job, that rate high in looks and 10 in skills.

At least with a SW, she is telling the world I am available. The trick is to negotiate quickly before reaching a destination, and cover the details of what is expected. And always be willing to cut your losses before getting too far down the road. The best line I have found so far; is, do you have some time? This tells them, I do not want a quick B&G. And for me there is no such thing. I'm too old for quick anything!

Be safe and good hunting. MW.[/QUOTE]Another good reason I gave up the SW scene 16 years ago is that my area does not write you a ticket and send you on your way. They arrest, book and if you cannot afford the $500 bond you go before the judge the next day. They also seize your car as a crime forfeiture. Just way too serious for my tastes.

[QUOTE=Man4404;2147796]I did a while ago. Seemed to be a number of similar ads seeming to come from NW of GR and / or Muskegon. Nothing but upcharge. Quoted price was nothing more than show up, get into undies and massage. One wanted 3 times the quoted price for FS. After 2 such experiences, I avoid all of those and any where the number is out of Muskegon. A number of these ads seem to be written by the same person.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. I will be a fool no longer. As temping as the photos are I will never try one of those again.[/QUOTE]Which ones did you see? Some of these ladies have really peeked my interest. I am will willing to pay for a happy massage especially if I can build up to more in the future. Maybe I am over valuing my negotiating and people skills but I love a challenge!

[QUOTE=Grguy07;2150165]Which ones did you see? Some of these ladies have really peeked my interest. I am will willing to pay for a happy massage especially if I can build up to more in the future. Maybe I am over valuing my negotiating and people skills but I love a challenge![/QUOTE]It's been well over a year and I really don't remember the names, not that any of the SPs ever change their names. The common threads were early 30's, always the same 1. 5 donation and only outcall. Sorry can't be of more help. I may have passed up some great girls since then but I wasn't going to get taken again.

Another I remember was that they always got 5 for FS and had a very condescending attitude that I didn't want to pay it. I have given sizeably smaller donations for FS with SPs that had much better attitudes, great service and were significantly better looking.

I can appreciate a challenge and if you take it up, I hope that you have better luck than I did.

[URL]http://grandrapids.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/i-am-a-rip-off-21/16439129[/URL]

Is this L. E or L. O. ?

[QUOTE=Man4404;2147796]I did a while ago. Seemed to be a number of similar ads seeming to come from NW of GR and / or Muskegon. Nothing but upcharge. Quoted price was nothing more than show up, get into undies and massage. One wanted 3 times the quoted price for FS. After 2 such experiences, I avoid all of those and any where the number is out of Muskegon. A number of these ads seem to be written by the same person.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. I will be a fool no longer. As temping as the photos are I will never try one of those again.[/QUOTE]This sounds like Suzanne. Some pics look like they were from the 80's. Later she switched a lot of pics around then dropped off the face of BP earth.

Yea yea yea, I am alive and doing well! Just thought I'd drop in after a long absence from here to check things out. I have been extremely busy with work and yes, still trying to help out the girls of our hobby world. I am occasionally seeing my atf Jasmine. She has 3 jobs now so finding time with her and my busy schedules has become a task. Her good friend Nikki has now been employed by a contractor and I see her around my job sites now and then. SW Jasmine has also landed 2 jobs and was just recently hired in by one of them. Her bf Cassious has worked several times for me but I admit he makes me to nervous to get to deep with him. I am still called on by them for help but I am trying to let them figure things out more and more. Just to hard for me to let go of them as I have developed a true friendship with them.

Well, that's a quick update of the girls closest to me.

Play Safe, be good to the girls.

Asian.

[QUOTE=ThreeNutz;2150910]This sounds like Suzanne. Some pics look like they were from the 80's. Later she switched a lot of pics around then dropped off the face of BP earth.[/QUOTE]Yes, she's been doing this for almost 20 years now, and I'm sure some of the pics that she posts are almost 20 years. Nothing but a soapy handjob and a bunch of upsell. She use to work out of that now-defunct hotel in Muskegon along 31 business. Can't remember the name of it, just remember her and her scams. Stay away.

I've had more cancels. This week than in my whole hobbying career any info as to why would be great. It is just awful to have your time wasted by getting dressed and ready for you guys only to have you cancel last minute. Enough to make me want to rip my hair out! So once again any info would be great.

[QUOTE=Innocence69;2163868]I've had more cancels. This week than in my whole hobbying career any info as to why would be great. It is just awful to have your time wasted by getting dressed and ready for you guys only to have you cancel last minute. Enough to make me want to rip my hair out! So once again any info would be great.[/QUOTE]I am afraid, just like providers using fake pics and scamming clients, clients are either too scared to go through with the appointment or like to mess with providers. Blacklist those that waste your time and block their numbers from your phone.

[QUOTE=Innocence69;2163868]I've had more cancels. This week than in my whole hobbying career any info as to why would be great. It is just awful to have your time wasted by getting dressed and ready for you guys only to have you cancel last minute. Enough to make me want to rip my hair out! So once again any info would be great.[/QUOTE]My guess is in agreement with Badboy. Plus there is a tremendous amount of bad news in or close to our hobby in the GR area. We have the 18 yr old women involved with Craigslist. We have the women hanging out with the two guys in a crime spree. My guess is there are alot of questions in guys minds as to who have I talked to or messaged with. We are all a bit nervous between LEO and even worse. You are in a good place here and you have a vouch from a respected member so that should help. Can you post or pm some photos?