[QUOTE=Mike Sweeney]...you felt laike you had a burlap sack on, but we thought they were cool!!![/QUOTE]
Yeah! But! Do you remember, "The Norfolk Jacket." I still have mine. That was style, when style meant something.
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[QUOTE=Mike Sweeney]...you felt laike you had a burlap sack on, but we thought they were cool!!![/QUOTE]
Yeah! But! Do you remember, "The Norfolk Jacket." I still have mine. That was style, when style meant something.
CookyJar
LOL, No Cooky I didn't remember that one until I saw your pics of it, it did have more style than the Nehru, I can see trying to pick up a SW in either one, you would probably get laughed of the "K'
I gave everyone the “Joe Friday” version of this report already, so this is just for you oddballs who actually want to read details and see pics.
Last Thursday I had made an appointment with a SW, and was headed to meet her, when I spotted Jess on the northern end of the stroll. She appeared to be young (22, so she says), thin, pretty and very fetching. She flashed me a big smile, and I was already hooked. Jess got in and I called the SW with whom I had the appointment, and we rescheduled for later. Jess covered her mouth, and tried not to laugh out loud.
Jess was multiple-hour, multiple-cup, in-a-nice-motel material, and that is what I suggested. She was reluctant to do that. She wouldn’t even consider the Carlyle. Jess said she doesn’t do this much (if I only had a dollar for every time I have heard THAT one! LOL), and she didn’t know me, and the last guy who had taken her to a motel just left her stranded there. I chagrined over the boneheaded insensitivity of some of my monger brethren, but I told her I understood, and that a car date was better than no date at all, and maybe if she got to know me that next time could be an indoor date.
We found a place that was somewhat secluded, but still in plain view of customers entering a retail establishment. That didn’t seem to bother her, but it surely concerned me. This is one of the reasons I don’t like to do parking dates. I am too old and wise for this shit (except when the little head wants some lovin’). I re-parked so that it was much more difficult to see us, not that it would have made any difference to her one way or the other. She was quite ready and willing to fuck me right there, but I find fucking in my car uncomfortable and dangerous in the best of circumstances, let alone in plain view of a retail store entrance in the middle of the day. So we settled on 2 cups of BBBJCIMSP.
Jess is a very good cock sucker. She gives you long slow sucks until she gets you nice and hard, and then provides a sloppy wet suck all the way to your balls and back, varied in rhythm and with great use of her fingers, mouth, throat and tongue. I was really horny, and the first cup couldn’t have taken more than a few minutes. She laughed after she spit and said, “Damn, you were really ready!” She was concerned that the second cup would take a really long time. However, I told her that it wouldn’t take long given her superb technique, and her cute face and soft titties, with which I was playing as she sucked. I made it very clear that I didn’t want her placing me on a stop watch, or hurrying me, or saying “Are you ready to cum yet?,” but that I was certain it wouldn’t take me any longer than many guys on their first pop.
The second round I was able to sit back and relax and enjoy it more, talking filthy dirty the whole time, which seemed to amuse her. She was moaning as she sucked, and she sighed in response to my dirty phrases. She would half giggle when I called her "Daddy’s little cum piggie,” and afterward she said she had never heard that one before, and it “sounded cute.” That seems to be a common response, unless the SW is all hung up about dirty talking for whatever reason.
Ratings? Face: 4 1/2 stars (very cute); Body: 4 stars (it might be 5 stars for all I know but I didn’t exactly get her naked to find out; she seems to have 5 star potential from what I saw and felt); BJ: 5 stars; Fucking: N/A (maybe on a future indoor date); Attitude: 4 stars (she was pleasant enough, but I wanted an indoor date and she refused; I understand why but hasn’t she ever been taught that the customer is always right?); Overall: 4 stars (for what it was; a good parking 2 cup BBBJCIMSP); Repeatable? Sure, if she can get over the jitters and do an indoor date; I would give it a shot. YMMV
Street Steve:Thanks for the intel on Dawn.
Information on ripoffs, bad dates and dangerous SWs is even more valuable than positive reviews. We need to be aware of these SWs to avoid them, and having pics is especially useful.
I guess I'm an oddball then, I like reading your hearsay SuperE! Very well written as usual.
[QUOTE=Fbtom]I guess I'm an oddball then, I like reading your hearsay SuperE! Very well written as usual.[/QUOTE]
I hope you either didn't mean what you wrote, or you didn't understand the meaning of "hearsay," and perhaps meant "detail" instead?
Hearsay is information gathered by one person from another concerning some event, condition, or thing of which the first person had no direct experience.
That is why hearsay testimony is inadmissible in court. Only what a person experiences or hears first hand is admissible.
Jess looks like a dude.
[QUOTE=Proxysss]Jess looks like a dude.[/QUOTE]I believe you might need glasses.(LOL) Jess is cute, and I, for one, would like to see more of her.
Nice pics and post Cooky. I adore gals from or descended from the European Eastern Block countries, and what is and formerly was Russia. Part of that is their generally fun and carefree attitude, and part is that I grew up with girls like that and they make me feel like I am having a pleasantly nostalgic experience from my youth.
You reported that she advertises on line but I have seen this chick on the Ave on occasion in the vicinity of the Woodshed and/or Cambria and/or Venango. I seemed to have been headed somewhere in a hurry, fresh from a previous date (not that such always stops me) or just window shopping and scoping out the Ave when I saw her. If I had known she was Polish I may have sampled her, and I just may do that in the future.
A wise friend once told me that good advice is worth about what you pay for it, so both what Cepalopod Love had to say and what I have to say should probably be evaluated with that wise admonition in mind. We just obviously have somewhat different points of view.
I disclose that I am NOT an attorney nor have I attended law school nor even studied law, nor law enforcement practices, so I would defer to professional expertise in these areas. I know that my "opinions" about the economy and appropriate investment strategies, while admittedly never perfect, are going to come from a much more educated and experienced viewpoint than some guy who read an article in the Wall Street Journal this morning and now thinks he is an economic and investment genius. My opinions about the matters ahead are similarly seat of the pants, but they are also based upon almost a lifetime of practical experience with absolutely no LE problems in my mongering activity, which may be caution, wisdom, luck of the draw, who knows? So here's my 2 cents worth:
[QUOTE=Cephlapod Love][b]1. What are some good strategies to plan in advance with a SW to be prepared for this type of situation?[/b]
Have your story straight - forget about what the SW will say. It's your word against a SW'ers? Trying to work up a story with a SW in advance, "just in case," seems like a recipe for her bolting on you and a low probability operation. [/QUOTE]
Having YOUR story straight goes without question, but I think that having that same story straight between you and the SW might prove invaluable. It is always your word against hers, but why not try to be on the same page, at least to start? If she departs from the story you are no worse off than having none at all.
[QUOTE=Cephlapod Love][b]2. Does one have complicit criminal responsibility if the SW has outstanding warrants or has drugs on her person? Suppose she stashes them in your vehicle quickly (and stupidly)?[/b]
This is the prime risk of mongering and why one wants to avoid allowing a lady to cop. Any street smart SW that is holding is going to dump the minute they see LE come up. If LE finds drugs in your car - the rap is on you. It's your car, LE found the drugs in your car. Case closed. {watch COPS on TV - you'll see this a hundred times}[/QUOTE]
Never allowing a SW to cop before you date is wise advice. But also, never voluntarily consent to a search of your vehicle. I know that much about your important rights. If they threaten to impound it, whatever, make them do it. You may or may not know if the SW stashed some drugs in your vehicle. If they find drugs on her, there may be probable cause to search you or your vehicle, but never volunteer such a search. There is always a probability the search can be overturned as illegal, but not if you allow it. If it becomes a drug possession issue then LE is either going to arrest you or not, but they are likely going to check for priors and, if you are clean, they may or may not cut you some slack. They likely suspect in such circumstances that you are not the guilty party, but sometimes that isn't the issue. Drugs are a whole different kettle of fish, so, yes. that is a huge risk you take picking up any SW. You just don't want to get stopped or discovered parking and in the act for any reason whatsoever.
[QUOTE=Cephlapod Love]I can't imagine anyone has any responsibility to know if a lady entering your car has warrants - unless one wants to deputize every monger out there.[/QUOTE]
Perhaps not, but if she has outstanding warrants the hassle on your ass may just become that much heavier. They can always arrest you for something if they feel like it.
[QUOTE=Cephlapod Love][b]3. When a SW blabs her head off like that and virtually admits you were having sex for money, what should one do if questioned: disagree? lie? tell the truth and hope for leniency? invoke your right to silence and perhaps piss them off enough to arrest you?[/b]
See the videos I posted about how to deal with LE. Once LE approaches a fast thinking monger could perhaps advise the lady to keep quiet and let him do the talking. But regardless of what she says - [b]NEVER incriminate yourself.[/b] Don't fall into that game of the LE is your friend or wants to help you out. IF LE hasn't seen and heard an offer of money for sex, then it seems like the proof of mongering activity is in a "he said she said." Most of these charges are minor infractions [other than the scarlet letter society imposes] so LE wants you to pay the fine and not get caught up in court with the expense of time & resources. LE knows the rules and what may appear as leniency may be just a case of not having enough evidence of a crime. So don't hand them a freebie. If you make it hard to prosecute [i.e. don't incriminate yourself or give up your rights], then an attorney should be able to make any mess created by an over zealous LE go away. [/QUOTE]
On these points I somewhat agree. However, you can tell her to let you do the talking all you want, but LE, as sure as the sun rises in the East, will pull her aside to get her story, and hear your story separately and try to use one version against the other. I fully agree with one point: don't incriminate yourself. What you say can and WILL be used against you in a court of law.
[QUOTE=Cephlapod Love][b]4. IF you both have a story in advance that you are 2 people who met and hit it off and were just having fun, and you stick to the story (which the police probably won't believe anyway), do you risk pissing them off and having them arrest you on some other charge? What charges might those be? (public lewdness or indecency?)[/b]
I dunno, if one is that afraid of pissing off LE then it seems likely one is going to fall into one of LE's "gotcha' traps when they appear to be your friend. Are you really this afraid of LE or just being rhetorical?[/QUOTE]
I think like Mad Monger said, the issue isn't just getting arrested for solicitation but getting arrested at all for anything. As I said before, having your stories straight beforehand can't hurt (and I usually do; smart SWs don't want to get arrested either and they see the value in having a story straight other than she is trying to make some money).
If LE literally catches you with your pants down and the SW undressed, as described, I am sure there are any number of ordinances being broken if they care to arrest you. But you don't want the arrest to be a solicitation or drug charge if you can help it.
[QUOTE=Cephlapod Love][b]5. I suppose invoking your rights to be silent and not allowing voluntary search are good starts but does one risk pushing the police not to be lenient and just let you go if your record is clean?[/b]
Again - STICK TO PROTECTING YOUR RIGHTS! Never give them away. Once you do you can't get them back! After the third time in this post of statements that sound like one is afraid of not cooperating with LE, I'm concerned about you. If one is this afraid of contacts with LE then [not to be a smartazz] it might make sense to avoid mongering all together - stick with AMPs or escorts.[/QUOTE]
All agreed there. Be cordial and polite because LE may exercise discretion to let you go with a slap on the wrist, but never voluntarily allow search and never admit to a damn thing.
As for AMPs or escorts, I don't know that provides any more protection. It is a lot easier for LE to set up a sting that way than on the K. A smart monger can avoid a street sting in so many ways, which we have discussed before, without having to use his phone, go to a place which may have cameras and be staked out, etc.
[QUOTE=Cephlapod Love][b]6. How much leeway does LE generally exercise in this type of circumstance when your paperwork is in order and you have a squeaky clean record. Is my friend's experience typical or does it really depend on the officers involved and/or where it takes place?[/b]
Who can answer this question definitively? You are dealing with another human being and as such there are many variables out there so YMMV.[/QUOTE]
I have heard many stories from SWs that they were caught parking with a monger, and both were let go as long as they were trying to be discreet about it (parked in a secluded area and not near residences, etc.). A few have told me they were let go and the monger got a fine (For what I don't know). However, these are stories and second hand, so take them for what they are. I have no first hand accounts to relate.
[QUOTE=Cephlapod Love][b]7. Do the police keep a record of the incident and can they use it against my friend on a future occasion to be much less lenient?[/b]
Who knows? Maybe individual cops, districts or cities keep records of "stops." Any decision to be "lenient", again, is going to be made by a human being with all of his prejudices, emotions, etc. at the time of the encounter.
It sure sounds like you are looking for a set of hard fast rules you can apply to be safe. Doubt there are any that would fit all circumstances.
Use common sense, be polite, do not incriminate yourself.[/QUOTE]
Totally agreed. I don't even know what the law enforcement practice is in Philly for a routine stop where there is no arrest, and the paperwork was checked. Human nature always applies, as does the discretion of the officer(s) involved, their experience and what they feel is on their front burner. I am sure some would be a prick and arrest or at least fine you and others would slap you on the wrist and let you go, figuring they had bigger fish to fry. In a city like Philly, a guy getting his tool waxed in a car is relatively small potatoes compared to the other important and life threatening shit with which they likely have to deal day in and day out.
Common sense, politeness, not incriminating yourself (and not voluntarily allowing a search): these are wise words by which to live.
Be careful out there.
[QUOTE=Fbtom]I guess I'm an oddball then, I like reading your hearsay SuperE! Very well written as usual.[/QUOTE]Maybe he meant heresy.
Heresy: a belief that rejects the orthodox tenets of a religion.
[QUOTE=Supereloquent]Street Steve:Thanks for the intel on Dawn.
Information on ripoffs, bad dates and dangerous SWs is even more valuable than positive reviews. We need to be aware of these SWs to avoid them, and having pics is especially useful.[/QUOTE]
you are most welcome SuperE, if enough of us report these Ripoffs they will not make the near the money they would have. Honest SW's hate them even more the we do. They have told me so. "they ruin it for all of us" I have heard them say. They way they see it is this: because of these thieves, all SW's are not are trusted to cop, and everyone ends up being dope sick.
[QUOTE=Bigg Mike]That sounds like a premeditated rip-off to me as well - I take back what I wrote before. :( And for a lousy $10... I hate it, it's happened to me too many times.[/QUOTE]
I don't care about the money. I would't miss a lousy 10 bucks. I have allowed a girl to buy some food or cigarettes on the way to an indoor date, but never drugs. I have never been ripped off for a coke and a sandwich, or a pack of Marlboro's, not that such is impossible. But allowing her to cop for drugs exposes you to potential legal problems which could be very serious. We face such potential problems anyway unless we plan to thoroughly search every SW we pick up, but we don't need to make this problem a dead certainty, and I am not hanging out in a known drug area waiting for some skank to get her fix, and be robbed, mugged, shot or pinched.
[QUOTE=Bigg Mike]When I've given girls money up front to cop, maybe I thought "the date will go better if they're feeling good" or something, but I wonder how many times that actually has happened to me; twice? three times? More likely I find myself parked in front of some crack house way too long, out of place, out of luck, and just begging to get busted. Meanwhile, the girl gets away with it, which just makes it that much more likely she'll try it on the next guy - it just sucks.[/QUOTE]
If a date is dope sick, I either see it before I pick her up and avoid her or let her out when I see it up close. I am not interested, regardless what she looks like. A date with me cops after the date, never before. I used to drop them off at their "distributor," but I have stopped that practice as well. I drop them off near to where I picked them up...period.
A SW who has recently shot up and/or smoked and/or popped is fairly wasted and numb anyway, and not much good if you like sexual responsiveness. I was never much into necrophelia.
To Proxysss:
You are just another rock throwing newbie who crawled out of his cave with nothing constructive to contribute. There seems to be a never ending supply of you idiots.
Either SHOW us your idea of the SW "excellence" of which you imply that you partake versus us supposed low-lifes, or [b]SHUT THE FUCK UP![/b]
I saw “Andrea” on a hot corner of the northern part of the stroll. She was dressed in a very short, tight, black skirt, gray wool body stockings, like a dancer would wear, and high-heeled boots. She looked like one of the classier SWs one might see on Hollywood Boulevard in LA, a la Julia Roberts in "Pretty Woman." The SW look on the K tends more to be the blend-in "suburban teen" look of worn jeans, a hoodie and sneakers. "Andrea" stood out; that's for certain.
Cooky had just done a report and photo spread on “Andrea” and I recognized her immediately from that, as well as the fact that I had seen her on the Ave a number of times before. She bounced into my car and announced a different name (I guess she uses one name for the street, and a different one for Backpage). She looked good. I was expecting her to have an accent after reading her Backpage ad, linked in Cooky’s report, which advertised her as a “Polish Vixen.” Maybe that’s her “shtick,” as many Backpage gals are good marketers and have great “selling hooks." both literally and figuratively. Being quite accomplished in the field of marketing myself, I appreciate excellent selling skills, but mongering to me is preferably an “amateur” street talent search. I find the on-line and escort pros to be relatively good looking, by and large, but are over-hyped sex actresses at best when you get right down to it. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with that, if such is what one seeks. I would personally prefer a needy “amateur type" who also truly enjoys sucking and fucking. Hey, like my grandmother always said, there is a lid for every pot.
We hadn’t even traveled a few blocks and “Andrea” was into her sales patter, asking what I had in mind. I wasn’t worried that she was an LE decoy, although she sure looked like one. I said, uncharacteristically, that I had in mind driving her to a nice motel, and enticing her to allow me to take some very sexy pics, and suck my cock and fuck me like there was no tomorrow. She laughed and said, “Why go to a hotel? We can go to my place.” Now normally that would ring all kinds of alarm bells in my head. She could have really been a decoy, and was setting me up for a sting, or a robbery or whatever. Normally I would have politely declined. But Cooky’s report lessened my fear considerably that this wouldn’t happen. Often I am the provider of such valuable intel, regardless how much some of you flamers tend to differ. However, today I was the recipient. I felt comfortable accepting her offer to go to her place. I figured it would be a lot nicer than a 10 spot house, and I was right about that. I also figured it would be fairly convenient, and I was right about that too. I also figured that I could be nice and add what I would have spent on a nice motel room, in addition to a tip, if “Andrea” proved to be an excellent date. I was sorta right about that. You will see what I mean.
On the way we negotiated. “Andrea” told me what she advertises on-line, (not that she fucks for money; but if she did fuck me just because she likes to, hey, I might be a nice guy, and the whole deal could be a friend with benefits arrangement :D) She said she comes out on the K when her internet business is slow. I told her flat out that I wasn’t interested in her internet deal. She was on the Ave and Ave customs would prevail. I would go for a normal K arrangement plus tip, if warranted. If that wasn’t acceptable I would drop her back at her corner. She allowed that it was a slow day, or she wouldn’t be out here otherwise, and I seemed like a really decent guy, so that would be OK. She also said she loved to pose for pics, and had some cute outfits to wear when we got to her place.
We arrived at “Andrea’s” place. It was a dicey neighborhood on a very narrow street. I had to park up on the sidewalk to allow cars to get past without hitting me. In the absence of having read Cooky’s intel, I think I may have deep-sixed the date right there. When we got inside, the upstairs “neighbor” came to the top of the stairs and I recognized her as “Rachel,” also recently reported on by Cooky. I further recognized her as the former “Kylie,” previously reported on a few times in this forum when she was working for a pimp (or maybe she still was; for all I know both “Andrea” and “Rachel’ were working the internet and the Ave for a pimp), and providing service which was sometimes OK and sometimes terrible. “Andrea” said that “Rachel’ also worked on-line in their escort service. I guess it is good that she has gotten out from under her pimp, and has become an entrepreneur, if that is, in fact, the case. Cooky’s report and photo spread indicates that at least he got her on a good day. My first hand experience with Kylie has been all bad, and it has also been reported on as inconsistent by a number of other mongers, but I guess everyone deserves a second chance, so let’s see if her rep can be repaired and continue to be good. She was smart enough at least to change her working name, because she certainly had trashed her SW reputation as "Kylie."
“Andrea” couldn’t get in her place, and then realized that she had locked her keys inside. This would have also normally had me bolting the hell out of there, and thinking it was a set-up. However, as it was, I was just thinking that SWs, whether entrepreneurial or not, weren’t rocket scientists, not that we ever thought any differently. She called her ”landlord,” and he said he would be “right over” to give her a spare key. I should have known that “right over” was the same as airline speak for “slight delay.” Almost 45 minutes later this joker shows up with a spare for her to open the door. As an aside, he seemed very much like a pimp to me. He didn’t get out of his car. He strangely parked half-way down the street, and was doing his level best to stay well out of sight. His car was a pimped-up ride if ever I saw one. The only upside was that "Andrea" and I had a chance to have a conversation while waiting. She may be dumb enough to lock in her keys, but she seemed to have a head on her shoulders otherwise. She said her apartment used to be a store, and one could see the vestiges of this in the layout, right down to the sliding garage door on the side of the back for deliveries.
When we entered she put on some music, and got dressed in a cute, sexy outfit for pics. She claimed she loved to have pics taken, but, when I was ready to take the naked pics, she just wanted to get into it. My thought was that I would take the pics after the first cup. She knelt at the edge of her bed naked, and worked a rubber onto my cock with her mouth. Her CBJ skills were adequate, but nothing special. I was horny and I got hard in a hurry. She seemed in a rush to fuck, and spread out on her bed and said, “Fuck me, I want it baby.” I liked the dirty talk, but it was so obviously an act. Regardless, I am not one to complain about a dirty talker. She pretty much would say anything I desired, and had some acting talent, so it was all good. She had a thin, lithe body and a tight pussy so having her was the usual treat in fucking a spinner.
She got a phone call after the first cup, and it was a date from her internet ad. He was coming off 95, and needed directions. She said he would be there in about 30 minutes, so we would have to “hurry,” for the second cup. She knew I wanted more than one, because we had talked about it, but she clearly did not have a clue that shoving me aside for this internet date, and having me “hurry,” was going to be a downer for me, and cut into my usual generosity for a tip, and maybe lessen my desire to see her again. That’s another thing I don’t like about internet pros. It’s ALL about the roses (hey, that can also be the case with usual street pickups as well, but I have had better sexual experiences there than with internet pros), and they think they can manipulate you because they think they have become good at it. Well some guys are OK with that and some guys aren’t. It isn’t like I think too much of myself. It’s not a matter of ego. She isn’t my damn gf. It’s business both ways. I am a customer. She agreed to something, and she should see it through, and tell the other guy to wait. I recognize that she has a business to run, but she was cutting our time short for some internet sucker with a previously unplanned appointment. Hey, it’s business, but I don’t have to like it, and I don’t have to be a sucker too, and be a generous tipper. That’s another reason why I prefer the exclusive multiple-hour, multiple-cup experience with a good street pick-up. You don’t have to put up with any shit like this.
Anyway, she sucked me hard, and we fucked again, and I got a few naked pics at the end, but the guy who called must have broken land speed records to get there from 95. He called and said he was just a few blocks away. So I quickly got dressed, and left, with no tip for “Andrea.” The sucker who was driving there was going to be on the clock for a considerable premium to my arrangement. So, there was at least some justice and satisfaction in that. By a different name and venue this gal was available to me for less than half her internet deal, and perhaps the penalty for that is having to be yesterday’s news when she gets a call from an internet sucker.
Ratings? Face: 4 ½ stars (pretty/cute and almost 5 stars); Body: 4 ½ stars (the overall body was vintage spinner and the ass and pussy were superb; slight deduction for smallish sagging tits); BJ: 4 stars (above average but I have had a lot better); Fucking: 4 ½ stars (nice little package to fuck, but, again, not perfect); Attitude: 4 stars (pleasant enough, but having the interruption was a downer; c’est la vie ); Overall: 4 stars; Repeatable? Only if we establish firm ground rules beforehand: Ave rates, of course; no more rude internet date interruptions, and lots more pic taking, because, regardless of any of my complaints or her shortcomings, this gal CAN pose and fuck!) YMMV