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I know this from a first hand point of view. You guys want to see providers so bad yet I don't understand why you feel the need to try to run all of the providers out of business. If everyone thinks LEO is watching the places that are not even affiliated with 1501 then business will slow down and eventually close and then all you guys will be left to sift thru the girls in the ads and try to figure out who is "fake" and who is real. There are plenty of great providers in this area, including some of the girls at the Clarksville location and it would be a shame if they are forced out of this area.

[QUOTE=BustyGirl;1386412]I know this from a first hand point of view. You guys want to see providers so bad yet I don't understand why you feel the need to try to run all of the providers out of business. If everyone thinks LEO is watching the places that are not even affiliated with 1501 then business will slow down and eventually close and then all you guys will be left to sift thru the girls in the ads and try to figure out who is "fake" and who is real. There are plenty of great providers in this area, including some of the girls at the Clarksville location and it would be a shame if they are forced out of this area.[/QUOTE]Agreed. Far more has been posted about the bosses and underbosses, their connections, if any, etc. than all those who post can know to be true, and none of this is doing anybody any good except feeding egos. None of it amounts to a hill of beans. Those who keep dragging this up need a paper route to better occupy their time.

I post the following every so often and it certainly applies to the present situation: Adolph Rupp, the University of Kentucky basketball coach for 42 seasons (1930 – 1972) accumulated 876 wins, captured 27 Southeastern Conference titles and led the Kentucky Wildcats to four national championships. He was the Dean of the coaches of his time and put Kentucky Basketball on the map. Coach Rupp had a rule permitting his players to talk during practice: "Say nothing unless you can improve on the silence." This topic is no improvement on the silence.

While going through and reading some personals I found this. It has absolutley nothing to do with mongering but at least this contractor has a sense of humor and I guess with this administration thats all you can have! I will save these guys number Incase I ever need a wire jocky lmao.

[url]http://louisville.craigslist.org/sks/2860613673.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Golfcart;1386418]Agreed. Far more has been posted about the bosses and underbosses, their connections, if any, etc. than all those who post can know to be true, and none of this is doing anybody any good except feeding egos. None of it amounts to a hill of beans. Those who keep dragging this up need a paper route to better occupy their time.[/QUOTE]Rather than attributing postings to perceived motivations, Golf, why not simply evaluate them for accuracy? For my part, I stated (in summary,) that:

1. There existed a social and business relationship history between Troy and Ivan.

2. That issues regarding the stadium arose during the investigation into My1501.

3. That Deleon and Kaufmann would be charged, and.

4. That law enforcement was watching both My1501 (and its later incarnations) and the stadium as a result of the pending criminal investigations.

Which of those assertions proved false, Golf? I dropped the issue when the board members grew weary of the debate. Fair enough. Law enforcement has chosen to make this a relevant issue once again. Dismissing the situation casually creates the risk that many mongers on this board will be among those clients discussed by providers facing investigation (now and prospectively.)

The point of this dialogue was to identify practices which pose a risk to the mongers and to providers who do not conduct their business carefully. If you suggest that it amounts to nothing, then I suggest that the point of sharing information in this forum is likewise for naught. I do not believe that to be wise counsel, and certainly believe sharing the information is crucial if Jackson's purpose for this board (one among many as I understand that purpose) is to be realized. The first-time poster you ratified has not offered any information to validate the conclusion offered; a conclusion that contradicts what is known to be fact by several board seniors who have knowledge on this subject. Since we are exchanging quotes, I offer another:

"We are entitled to our own opinions, but not our own facts."

[QUOTE=Doctor Z;1374886][url]http://www.wdrb.com/story/16641050/police-louisville-man-commits-robbery-as-online-pair-meet[/url][/QUOTE]"A Hardin County man drove to an apartment near Dixie Hwy. And Upper Hunters Trace early today to meet a woman he met online.

While they were together, police say another man, XX XX of Louisville, walked in, demanded the man's money, and pistol whipped him. He then told the man to leave."

Isn't that in the same vicinity as the house of a certain squirter who is reviewed on here? That wasn't her was it?

[QUOTE=Golfcart; 1386418]Agreed. Far more has been posted about the bosses and underbosses, their connections, if any, etc. Than all those who post can know to be true, and none of this is doing anybody any good except feeding egos. None of it amounts to a hill of beans. Those who keep dragging this up need a paper route to better occupy their time.

I post the following every so often and it certainly applies to the present situation: Adolph Rupp, the University of Kentucky basketball coach for 42 seasons (1930 – 1972) accumulated 876 wins, captured 27 Southeastern Conference titles and led the Kentucky Wildcats to four national championships. He was the Dean of the coaches of his time and put Kentucky Basketball on the map. Coach Rupp had a rule permitting his players to talk during practice: "Say nothing unless you can improve on the silence." This topic is no improvement on the silence.[/QUOTE]Well Said Golf Cart!

Let's hope he's put away for awhile and let's also the "provider" in question is busted as well. It was an obvious set-up. A hobbyist getting pistol-whipped, now that's the true definition of TOFTT. Louisville must be getting worse.

BFDeal

[QUOTE=LuvMyAsians; 1386664]"A Hardin County man drove to an apartment near Dixie Hwy. And Upper Hunters Trace early today to meet a woman he met online.

While they were together, police say another man, XX XX of Louisville, walked in, demanded the man's money, and pistol whipped him. He then told the man to leave."

Isn't that in the same vicinity as the house of a certain squirter who is reviewed on here? That wasn't her was it?[/QUOTE]

So, I have not seen it mentioned on here at all the fairly strong possibility that the Jenna from the bust and the Jenna on here could be one-in-the-same. If this is the case (I personally have a little hear-say evidence that it is) then that would mean that a lot of us, including myself (a very little) contributed to lining the Jenna's pockets. Damn it!

Also, I haven't heard a word from ML77 or any of his / her alter (77) ego's on the matter. I always assumed he may have been her counterpart but now wondering if maybe 77 is simply a friend. He / she has been very quite on the matter and continues with a few posts paying the current situation no attention at all. I realize this may be provoking a debt, but that is not my intention. Just wondering if they or anyone else would like to weigh in on the matter. If I remember correctly ML77 or Jenna stated that they had several user I'd's a number of them being senior members. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Also, if nobody cares about this and it's just me, sorry ignore this post and carry on. Be safe.

[QUOTE=LuvMyAsians; 1386664]"A Hardin County man drove to an apartment near Dixie Hwy. And Upper Hunters Trace early today to meet a woman he met online.

While they were together, police say another man, XX XX of Louisville, walked in, demanded the man's money, and pistol whipped him. He then told the man to leave."

Isn't that in the same vicinity as the house of a certain squirter who is reviewed on here? That wasn't her was it?[/QUOTE]She lives in a house, not an apartment complex. If the story is accurate (apt complex) then its not missy the squirter.

[QUOTE=Legal Eagle; 1386478]The point of this dialogue was to identify practices which pose a risk to the mongers and to providers who do not conduct their business carefully. If you suggest that it amounts to nothing, then I suggest that the point of sharing information in this forum is likewise for naught. I do not believe that to be wise counsel, and certainly believe sharing the information is crucial if Jackson's purpose for this board (one among many as I understand that purpose) is to be realized. The first-time poster you ratified has not offered any information to validate the conclusion offered; a conclusion that contradicts what is known to be fact by several board seniors who have knowledge on this subject. Since we are exchanging quotes, I offer another:

"We are entitled to our own opinions, but not our own facts."[/QUOTE]Legal, you shouldn't bother responding to this crap. If Golfcart doesn't want to read it then he can move on. However, I am sure he won't skip a chance to remind us of his "famous" quote about the girl in the picture and the guy on the phone with the money! How helpful is that? It's not, but to quote the legend himself.

[QUOTE=Golfcart;1386418]none of this is doing anybody any good except feeding egos.[/QUOTE]That's my opinion, which counsel has already stated I am entitled to!

LL

Have any of you used the auction site Priceline when doing outcalls? Do you save enough money to justify not knowing which hotel you will get?

[QUOTE=Joelouky;1387480]Have any of you used the auction site Priceline when doing outcalls? Do you save enough money to justify not knowing which hotel you will get?[/QUOTE]I've never used it in that situation but I can tell you I got a suite at the Gault House once for $50 on Priceline. Seems well worth it to me. If you are near downtown but put downtown only and like at least a 3 star I think.

[QUOTE=Joelouky;1387480]Have any of you used the auction site Priceline when doing outcalls? Do you save enough money to justify not knowing which hotel you will get?[/QUOTE]I have used it. When I just need a place to stay and don't really care about the exact location, using Priceline and getting the "general area" is fine. I have on occasion received a hotel that wasn't probably wasn't as much a discount as claimed (although it is always cheaper than their advertised rates). But on a few occasions I have received really nice hotels for very cheap. You do best going for the best rated hotels. A five star hotel is a five star hotel. And if you can get it cheap, you will be very happy. When you bid on three star hotels (or less) the problem is you sometimes receive a hotel that might not be what you think a three star hotel should be.

But all in all, I'm usually satisfied with what I get with Priceline.

[QUOTE=White;1387492]I've never used it in that situation but I can tell you I got a suite at the Gault House once for $50 on Priceline. Seems well worth it to me. If you are near downtown but put downtown only and like at least a 3 star I think.[/QUOTE]I have always been skeptical because I didn't want to end up somewhere that was hard for me to get to. Did you say that with Priceline you can choose the area that the hotel has to be in and the minimum number of stars it has?

[QUOTE=LuckyLou;1387521]I have always been skeptical because I didn't want to end up somewhere that was hard for me to get to. Did you say that with Priceline you can choose the area that the hotel has to be in and the minimum number of stars it has?[/QUOTE]Correct, you can specify the part of town you want (ie downtown or east end) and the minimum number of stars you will settle for. Still, you don't know which hotel you will be at so the discount would have to be decent for me to overlook that.

[QUOTE=BFDeal; 1386918]Let's hope he's put away for awhile and let's also the "provider" in question is busted as well. It was an obvious set-up. A hobbyist getting pistol-whipped, now that's the true definition of TOFTT. Louisville must be getting worse.

BFDeal[/QUOTE]She has had one two many of two way sessions with the former Lanny / Aaliyah to not have contracted Herpes or Hepatitis. Stay away from that *****.

[QUOTE=Joelouky;1387480]Have any of you used the auction site Priceline when doing outcalls? Do you save enough money to justify not knowing which hotel you will get?[/QUOTE]I always use Hotwire and have figured out which hotel I will get most of the time. Once compared it with Priceline and then Hotwire was a better deal. For instance 3. 5 star in the Airport / Expo area is the Executive Inn / Crown plaza hotel. The 3 star in the Jeffersontown West area is the Best Western Envoy. Downtown the 4 star has always been the Galt House or the Hyatt, the 4. 5 star is the Brown. I wouldn't go below 2. 5 stars it could get ugly. But I might be wrong.

I have used price line a couple of times when traveling out of town and, had good luck at it. It is helpful to do some research before you make a bid though. If I'm not mistaken, once you specify the amount you are willing to pay you can not adjust the amount but can reduce the lowest rating (stars) of the hotels you are looking for. There are some forums / list of hotels at [url]http://biddingfortravel.com/[/url] To give you an idea of the hotels and price range.

[QUOTE=Legal Eagle; 1386478]Rather than attributing postings to perceived motivations, Golf, why not simply evaluate them for accuracy? For my part, I stated (in summary,) that:

1. There existed a social and business relationship history between Troy and Ivan.

2. That issues regarding the stadium arose during the investigation into My1501.

3. That Deleon and Kaufmann would be charged, and.

4. That law enforcement was watching both My1501 (and its later incarnations) and the stadium as a result of the pending criminal investigations.

Which of those assertions proved false, Golf? *[/QUOTE]One would not post four assertions from the past and ask if any have been proven false if any had been. I don't see the point to the challenge; also that an assertion or contention has not been proven false is no proof it is true. It awaits being proven true.

I doubt the assertions about the 1501 investigation are based on personal knowledge. Thinking is not knowing. My doubt comes from the contentions being so wide, deep and numerous, and attracted much acrimony among the competing posters. This looks like a formula for exaggeration. If ego is not the right word substitute a more appropriate one.

BustyGirl posted the attention is causing uneasiness among the provider ranks. I don't know that is true but given the bandwidth of this topic it seems to me it would. How they view this should be important to us. They are invested here also. The hobby is not all about us.

[QUOTE=Golfcart;1389282]My doubt comes from the contentions being so wide, deep and numerous, and attracted much acrimony among the competing posters. This looks like a formula for exaggeration. If ego is not the right word substitute a more appropriate one. [b]BustyGirl posted the attention is causing uneasiness among the provider ranks.[/b] [u]I don't know that is true but given the bandwidth of this topic it seems to me it would.[/u] [b]How they view this should be important to us. They are invested here also. The hobby is not all about us.[/b][/QUOTE]I agree that how providers view the "hobby" & this board is important: & raising an unnecessary ruckus draws unwanted attention from the public; but I must also comment to the issue that when persons post on here as self-proclaimed "experts" [b] & [u]then offer dangerous[/u]ly incorrect advice, [/b] [u]or counsel co[/u]mp[u]lacen[/u]cy[u] + willfull ignorance of the nuances & subtleties of law-enforcement-[/u]op[u]eration[/u]s p[u]ertaining to clients [/u]& providers: then those who know the risk that this erroneous or false information poses must sometimes demonstrate the motivation that the purveyor of this biased or dangerous advice has (for offering it) in order to convince innocent readers of what they would be exposed to if they accept it at face-value!

I heartily commend LegalEagle for his service & endorse his attempts to educate us & thereby keep us safer! I also salute JimTrueBlue, who was driven off this board by the hostility of certain malefactors in this drama, for his efforts on all our behalfs! I also lament the loss, prior to all this, of our wise legal-counsel Track!

Knowledge is power: play safe & stay safe; sincerely: A K

It is not a situation, Golf, wherein the assertions have yet to be proven "false" and are therefore assumed to be true. Rather, when I offered that the assertions were true, Troy and company denied such. I then pointed out that those suggesting my information was untrue had motives for saying so-motives that Troy and his cohorts denied. Now information from an objective third-party source clarified the matter. It is not a question of ego, as I neither gain nor lose anything in the process of vetting the information. My point was to share what I had learned and leave it to each of you to factor the information into your decision-making process regarding the approach to particular studios. As Sunycide and Sports Scourt pointed out, I never suggested that mongers avoid these locations; I simply counseled caution in the approach because of the focus of LEO on these studios. Please understand that I am not playing "King of the Hill," Golf. The point is to share relevant information. If it helps one monger avoid what I went through, it was worth sharing.

Thanks to you, Kyowa, for your endorsement and support. My goal from the beginning was to open an additional channel of information to the board to compliment the volume of information shared among the mongers. I am still relatively new here, so I do not intend to step on any toes in the process of contributing to this board. If I did that unintentionally, please accept my apology.

Hi Guys,

Anybody tried MissySquirtz Oral skills recently? She said a while back she had been working on them. Just wondered if she had improved.

[QUOTE=Ky Comfort; 1393165]Hi Guys,

Anybody tried MissySquirtz Oral skills recently? She said a while back she had been working on them. Just wondered if she had improved.[/QUOTE]They were fine.

I've decided to quit the mongering business. Altho I didn't post much, I enjoyed reading the many observations and posts by you! USG saved me many times!

Thank You!

[QUOTE=Snoot;1393744]I would like to know what the thoughts are on the state of the hobby. Especially Legal. Legislation is up in Frankfort regarding human trafficking. BP has been associated with this for awhile and if this passes and I'm sure it will - then the state will be in our backyard in a way we don't wish. I feel we have very few venus to monger in.[/QUOTE]Your question could not be more prescient, Snoot. The wind is up in many local jurisdictions regarding adoption and enforcement of adult entertainment legislation in the more populated counties. Law enforcement is being backed into corners due to the seeming prevalence of adult-oriented entertainment in many communities. This is in fact nothing new, of course. What is new, however, is the volume of providers promoting themselves in many of the publications frequented by hobbyists. The push by legislators is not so much to eliminate adult entertainment as to streamline it among traceable companies and organizations. Getting everyone in the business affiliated with established companies seems to be the focus of the legislation. This allows the government to tax the organizations (in the form of licensing fees and corporate taxes) and weed out the less sophisticated operations. City leaders can handle a few well-organized companies providing adult entertainment (in whatever form.) What they cannot seem to handle is business that they cannot track or tax.

In the final analysis, what we are seeing is posturing, mongers. City leaders need to feign genuine concern over adult entertainment to satisfy their more conservative constituents. Periodic sweeps of the type we are witnessing are the appeasement necessary to maintain stability and order. If we want to maintain our game and help maintain availability of providers, encourage them to comply with local licensing and registration ordinances. Depending upon their menu, licensing can and should range from LMT to exotic dancer to escort. If they do this, oversight shifts from law enforcement to administrative agencies. This means less-frequent visits by government workers and a substantial drop in concern of city leaders. It will make it marginally more expensive for us to play, but it will make it safer for everyone involved. Law enforcement does not genuinely care about the practice of adult entertainment; they do care about appearances.

[QUOTE=Snoot;1394659]Adj. 1. prescient. Perceiving the significance of events before they occur. Yes I had to go look it up. LOL[/QUOTE]You must not have read the Dune series of books, in the second or third one that word was used about 1, 000 times. The thing that always gets me, especially in Southern Indiana, is the selective enforcement, or lack thereof, in regard to the ordinaces and laws. That has always made me believe that government is extremly reactive and no so proactive or the price of protection (like my cable bill) tends to go up frequently and when you decide enough is enough they shut you down. Being of the mind that everything has a price, I believe that later is the case.

Where did Funtongue13 go?

Talked to one of the girls that work at one of our local body rub locations and she told me that the owner 1099's the girls and keeps most of the door fee. How do they get away with this? She also said she gets fined for being late, if a session runs over and a few other things. I run a small business and don t see how their not breaking a few tax laws. She said they sign contracts. Anyone know how they get away with this?

[QUOTE=Kygolfer77;1395054]Talked to one of the girls that work at one of our local body rub locations and she told me that the owner 1099's the girls and keeps most of the door fee. How do they get away with this? She also said she gets fined for being late, if a session runs over and a few other things. I run a small business and don t see how their not breaking a few tax laws. She said they sign contracts. Anyone know how they get away with this?[/QUOTE]I have worked as a provider at a couple of the locations around town. I have never been given a 1099 (tho it might be nice to be able to show the income I make when trying to buy a house or a car). Most of the ones I have worked for also split the door fee with you 50/50 or 60/40, something close to that. The fines I do know to be true and I believe that the owners do this to try to get the girls to follow the rules. There are rules in all places of employment so I do understand the rules tho I do not always agree with the fines.

[QUOTE=Kygolfer77;1395054]Talked to one of the girls that work at one of our local body rub locations and she told me that the owner 1099's the girls and keeps most of the door fee. How do they get away with this? She also said she gets fined for being late, if a session runs over and a few other things. I run a small business and don t see how their not breaking a few tax laws. She said they sign contracts. Anyone know how they get away with this?[/QUOTE]It's perfectly legal to issue 1099's as the owner no doubt considers them "work for hire", therefor independent contractors. Not knowing what the contracts say I imagine there is language stating the nature of employment. As far as what the owner keeps and how he enforces his policies he can do that as well, especially if those stipulations are in the contracts the girls sign. Of course, I'm no lawyer but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express once.

[QUOTE=Kygolfer77;1395054]Talked to one of the girls that work at one of our local body rub locations and she told me that the owner 1099's the girls and keeps most of the door fee. How do they get away with this? She also said she gets fined for being late, if a session runs over and a few other things. I run a small business and don t see how their not breaking a few tax laws. She said they sign contracts. Anyone know how they get away with this?[/QUOTE]Sounds similar to the old 1501, I don't think they had a problem with breaking a few laws, well until they got busted.

Does anyone know if the girls that worked at the clarksville location that just got shutdown are going solo? There are a couple I wouldn't mind seeing

[QUOTE=Kygolfer77;1395054]Talked to one of the girls that work at one of our local body rub locations and she told me that the owner 1099's the girls and keeps most of the door fee. How do they get away with this? She also said she gets fined for being late, if a session runs over and a few other things. I run a small business and don t see how their not breaking a few tax laws. She said they sign contracts. Anyone know how they get away with this?[/QUOTE]Hello Brothers, I'm in town from Tampa Fl. And thought I would check the board out.

Looking for some fun. KY / IN line.

Looking for Rub / BJ PM if you can help me out with a good provider.

Owners off a Shop are Business Owners and file taxes on income. They have expenses.

It's not 100% profit. Rent, Laundry, Electric Etc.

A girl will give you stories to get a bigger tip from you. When she told you that, Did you give her more?

The girls are there for your money, they are a business.

ALL providers should file taxes even if they don't get a 1099. I know several Indies that get big tax returns with no 1099s.

If a shop owner didn't give fines then a girl would be late all the time or NO SHOW.

A lot of shops down in Florida are owned by women.

[QUOTE=Kygolfer77;1395054]Talked to one of the girls that work at one of our local body rub locations and she told me that the owner 1099's the girls and keeps most of the door fee. How do they get away with this? She also said she gets fined for being late, if a session runs over and a few other things. I run a small business and don t see how their not breaking a few tax laws. She said they sign contracts. Anyone know how they get away with this?[/QUOTE]The way I understand it, at most of the places the girls pay a set amount per session. Some pay a flat fee per week / month which works out better for the girl. When the girls tell the story about the mean owner taking most of the money, that's just to make you feel bad and tip them more.

The fines for running a session long may or may not be true. But what it does do, is give them a reason when they cut your session short.

Posted detailed PM by mistake, damn newbie mistakes.

[QUOTE=Best Swimmer; 1395942]Hello Brothers, I'm in town from Tampa Fl. And thought I would check the board out.

Looking for some fun. KY / IN line.

Looking for Rub / BJ PM if you can help me out with a good provider.

Owners off a Shop are Business Owners and file taxes on income. They have expenses.

It's not 100% profit. Rent, Laundry, Electric Etc.

A girl will give you stories to get a bigger tip from you. When she told you that, Did you give her more?

The girls are there for your money, they are a business.

ALL providers should file taxes even if they don't get a 1099. I know several Indies that get big tax returns with no 1099s.

If a shop owner didn't give fines then a girl would be late all the time or NO SHOW.

A lot of shops down in Florida are owned by women.[/QUOTE