Strip Club Reports

[QUOTE=Studly77;5516739]I don't disagree because that is how things go. But, I am anti-drug. If I detect that dancer a is a druggie no dance from me. Drugs are bad and I am not going to take advantage of them and I don't want to contribute to their addicting habit. Oddly, I would prefer the gold digger as long as she is not a thief.

I support freedom of choice. I would prefer if they are dancing because the want to make boatloads of cash. When it crosses the line and they are there because the have to that is not a good situation. I am sure it happens all over the place. But that does not mean I have to like it or agree with it.[/QUOTE]If you can determine someones motivation for money, you are gifted. Not sure greed is OK, while supporting a drug habit is not. What if someone is supporting a drug habit AND trying to feed their kids? Is that OK?

Was in town for business and stopped in the Flight Club. Chatted with a very pretty face gal who had GPS syndrome. $500 for everything covered. (I'm sure she gets a few who will pay that). Said she made about 150 k her first year. Bought her a few drinks and I agreed to just a "dance" paid $25.00 for the room and when we got situated she said " I'm so horny, I want to fuck your brains out". Very cute gal, but I politely declined and said "I respect you too much to fuck you for $$ She was immediately offended and I gave her 50.00 just as a courtesy. I didn't necessarily mean that I "respected her" but she was cool and it was mostly the 500.00 that turned me off as many other good looking gals provide the same for 2-3 hundred. Dunno why she reacted and left the room like she did. ? Thoughts?

[QUOTE=HeeJunk;5517851]If you can determine someones motivation for money, you are gifted. Not sure greed is OK, while supporting a drug habit is not. What if someone is supporting a drug habit AND trying to feed their kids? Is that OK?[/QUOTE]Well, that is very probable as many strippers are single moms. But I am not a social worker and that would be a bad situation. But not much different if a known alcoholic or gambler / with kids who needed money to feed their habit.

But I just would not want to assist to contribute to someone's demise. Applies to serious drunks and gamblers too. If an addicted gambler needed just $500 for "one more bet" so he would have money to feed his kids would you give it to him?

LMAO because the number 1 way to piss a women of any kind off is turn them down when they offer sex. Now was she planning on fucking you then throwing a fit wanting $500 maybe who knows. That kinda shit is why I don't do valet parking. Without them having your keys you could of just fucked her and paid what you agreed to for the "dance" and left.

[QUOTE=Stewy56;5517905]Was in town for business and stopped in the Flight Club. Chatted with a very pretty face gal who had GPS syndrome. $500 for everything covered. (I'm sure she gets a few who will pay that). Said she made about 150 k her first year. Bought her a few drinks and I agreed to just a "dance" paid $25.00 for the room and when we got situated she said " I'm so horny, I want to fuck your brains out". Very cute gal, but I politely declined and said "I respect you too much to fuck you for $$ She was immediately offended and I gave her 50.00 just as a courtesy. I didn't necessarily mean that I "respected her" but she was cool and it was mostly the 500.00 that turned me off as many other good looking gals provide the same for 2-3 hundred. Dunno why she reacted and left the room like she did. ? Thoughts?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Beer30;5518187]LMAO because the number 1 way to piss a women of any kind off is turn them down when they offer sex. Now was she planning on fucking you then throwing a fit wanting $500 maybe who knows. That kinda shit is why I don't do valet parking. Without them having your keys you could of just fucked her and paid what you agreed to for the "dance" and left.[/QUOTE]I wasn't even in the private room for more than 2 minutes. So more of her on stage than I did the private room. LOL. I thought giving her 50.00 bucks essentially for nothing was more than generous plus the 25 room fee. She probably seldom has heard the line "I respect you too much to fuck you for $$ maybe the cutie likes being disrespected. Who knows. If she indeed made 150 K that's a lot of sausage in a week covered or not. LOL. I wasn't worried about my car keys as I was only in the private room 2 minutes max. The security man barely had my 25 bucks before she bolted from the room.

[QUOTE=Studly77;5516739]I don't disagree because that is how things go. But, I am anti-drug. If I detect that dancer a is a druggie no dance from me. Drugs are bad and I am not going to take advantage of them and I don't want to contribute to their addicting habit. Oddly, I would prefer the gold digger as long as she is not a thief.

I support freedom of choice. I would prefer if they are dancing because the want to make boatloads of cash. When it crosses the line and they are there because the have to that is not a good situation. I am sure it happens all over the place. But that does not mean I have to like it or agree with it.[/QUOTE]I just dropped a long-term reg who gets amazing reviews who slowly got more dangerous and crazy bc of pills. IDK how you figure that crap out before they expose it.

[QUOTE=Riddick1983;5516197]If you're active on reddit at all, you'll know that there are quite a few girls that start a OF site when they turn 18, and very few make a living at it. It takes more than good looks to make money on OF. It's a LOT more work than many of these girls think. They have to constantly market and cross-market themselves to get a following. Posting sexual content or nudes is nowhere near as time consuming as the actual building a following part. That also means interacting with fans...constantly. One OF redditor was talking about this some time ago...she puts 10-12 hours a day on OF. Cross-marketing, responding to fans, etc...

On the flip side you have people like Belle Delphine that are making MILLIONS. She's reportedly making $1. 2 million per month. Yes, that's the same girl that sold her bathwater. She's done a few hardcore scenes with her boyfriend (including anal) but most of her scenes are her getting a facial while doing ahegao. The funny thing is that you can find all her OF work online for free. LOL.[/QUOTE]Lots attracted to the model at 'go' when they're legal. But, like dancers, not a lot will do the work. I met one recently who isn't a dancer, just doing that, not escorting, and said it was a FT job. She does reddit, all the social media, the OF. And mostly makes $ on private shoots.

The normal girls don't make $ on subs or video sales. It's personal videos. And, they suck at it. It's not their thing. So, they spend a lot of time on doing vids and private with re-do's. So, a day a week for shooting for themselves, several for others, maybe a day for marketing. They spend a lot on it to just make more than a minimum wage job. I met another who you'd see her videos and think she was a natural at porn. Nope. She does 5-10 takes, edits the shit out of her work. It's a 40 hour a week job she's again not making a ton on.

Now, the dancers I see I don't think do most or any of that. They seem cool with getting a few to pay in another $50 / month fee for next to no content. The escorts are more reasonable. 5-25 / month and sales of simple vids. But, to honestly think this is making anyone drop out of any other work is to not get it. It's an extra few meals for most.

[QUOTE=Studly77;5512642]Things do not look good for old H8's. Everyone else is open and they are still closed. There could still be a few things going on.

1) They have bigger problems than we know about. Maybe the owners are done with the place.

2nd) It is hard to believe but Michigan covid unemployment runs until September. I am not sure if it still includes the federal amount but all in all a boat load of money. Probably more than most of us earn in a week. That is like over a year of unemployment.

And 3rd normal jobs are all over the place and minimum wage is up. Of course all of this is just speculation as I have not heard anything specific.[/QUOTE]I don't know what happened?

But They need to close H8 North down as well. I went 2 Mondays in a row the talent was so bad nobody went in the VIP not even for 10 bucks! Only 1 girl if any dancing at a time. Bogarts however still busy on Tuesday with decent talent. Its Not worth smelling like an ashtray when you leave just to look at the TVS at North.

[QUOTE=Stewy56;5517905]Was in town for business and stopped in the Flight Club. Chatted with a very pretty face gal who had GPS syndrome. $500 for everything covered. (I'm sure she gets a few who will pay that). Said she made about 150 k her first year. Bought her a few drinks and I agreed to just a "dance" paid $25.00 for the room and when we got situated she said " I'm so horny, I want to fuck your brains out". Very cute gal, but I politely declined and said "I respect you too much to fuck you for $$ She was immediately offended and I gave her 50.00 just as a courtesy. I didn't necessarily mean that I "respected her" but she was cool and it was mostly the 500.00 that turned me off as many other good looking gals provide the same for 2-3 hundred. Dunno why she reacted and left the room like she did. ? Thoughts?[/QUOTE]You got played for $100 (25 for room, 50 to her, drinks). No wonder she makes so much money with people like you paying for essentially nothing.

[QUOTE=Bpmfarhat;5519545]I don't know what happened?

But They need to close H8 North down as well. I went 2 Mondays in a row the talent was so bad nobody went in the VIP not even for 10 bucks! Only 1 girl if any dancing at a time. Bogarts however still busy on Tuesday with decent talent. Its Not worth smelling like an ashtray when you leave just to look at the TVS at North.[/QUOTE]Mondays aren't what they used to be.

Speaking with some dancers, they said that they gave up on Mondays because of too many cheap bastards who either just want $10 dances, or expect steep discounts for extras. So, do five songs at $10 or do blow a guy for 100 and be done in 5 to 10 minutes; or bend over for 140 for similar time. Can't blame them for avoiding Mondays. Try weekends or other days.

[QUOTE=Passenger;5519877]So, do five songs at $10 or do blow a guy for 100 and be done in 5 to 10 minutes; or bend over for 140 for similar time.[/QUOTE]Was at Bogarts once on $10 Tuesday and had the same discussion with a dancer. I watched her go with a older guy to the VIP and never saw her again for about a hour. When she came down I thought, wow that guy got his moneys worth or paid a good price for that amount of time. Girl makes her way over to me and I mentioned about her trip upstairs, said the guy did a $100 of $10 dances. She wasn't pleased that he wouldn't go for the upgrade, no matter how hard she tried.

I hadn't seen her there before, so I assume a few freelancers work those nights expecting the numbers to work for them.

[QUOTE=Stewy56;5517905]Was in town for business and stopped in the Flight Club. Chatted with a very pretty face gal who had GPS syndrome. $500 for everything covered. (I'm sure she gets a few who will pay that). Said she made about 150 k her first year. Bought her a few drinks and I agreed to just a "dance" paid $25.00 for the room and when we got situated she said " I'm so horny, I want to fuck your brains out". Very cute gal, but I politely declined and said "I respect you too much to fuck you for $$ She was immediately offended and I gave her 50.00 just as a courtesy. I didn't necessarily mean that I "respected her" but she was cool and it was mostly the 500.00 that turned me off as many other good looking gals provide the same for 2-3 hundred. Dunno why she reacted and left the room like she did. ? Thoughts?[/QUOTE]Stewy, alot to chew on here.

First don't ever believe what a peeler tells you about money. She rarely gets $500. Maybe once in a great while, however she is telling all the other girls she is getting $500, because she once got $500.

As for $150 K, it is possible, but not that likely, and the important piece of information she gave you is she made that her first year, when she was youngest, newest, and hadn't hustled a bunch of guys yet. Typically the peelers make the most money the first year and every year after that they make less, because, they are older, less fresh, and a bunch of new girls start every year that steal their regular customers. There are a few exceptions to this of girls who give outstanding service, the illusion they love what they do and they build a base of regulars that sustain them and see them often. They also typically give those regular's a discount on pricing because they have figured out that 10 sessions times $200 is way more money than 1 session at $500. Most strippers spend everything they make so they need new money coming in all the time.

Now let's address your girls behavior. She is motivated by the tip out. You don't know if she made her tip out yet or not. Meaning how many guys she saw before you. Tip out at Flight Club should be about $150. Someone can correct me if I am wrong on the number.

Her normal mode of operation is to tell guys her price is $500 but when they get to the VIP she is horny and will do it for $200. This way she tells the other girls she told you the price is $500, and if anyone is listening which they are (dancers and waitresses) they can confirm what you she said. What you negotiate later is between you and her.

Case 1. She has not gone to the VIP yet tonight. It she never goes to the VIP she only has to pay the tip out for dancing on stage, but not for using the VIP room. When you declined her offer if you only give her $25 for 1 song, that does not cover her tip out and she owes the club money, or you put her negative for the night. She may have told them you changed your mind and she shouldn't be charged her tip out.

Case 2. She has already done a VIP session or multiple session and covered her tip out. She doesn't need to pay anymore, so whatever you give her is pure profit, even if it is only $25.

Case 3. Another guy took her to the VIP for only 1 dance so she is already negative and you come along and she needs you to pay her more to cover her tip out.

I can assure you these girls actions are typically reasonable, you just need all the variables.

Lastly if you go for one dance, why are you paying her $50. You should stick to $25. Or in this case you don't even have to pay that as she didn't complete the dance or make it to the half way point of the dance.

Anyway getting her to offer $200 is a good price for Flight Club, I stopped going to Flight Club as I got tired of all the negotiation to try and get a girls down to that price. You perhaps are better looking than me.

MM.

Pay up front don't do it. I was tempted but walked away.

I was recently in bts and criket.

I found Winter attractive and negotiated to go to the VIP with her, as soon as we hit the room she asked for payment and I could not persuade her otherwise and walked out.

I liked Chloe even more and negotiated to go to the VIP with her, as soon as we hit the room she asked for payment and I could not persuade her otherwise and walked out.

I left frustrated and drove over to Criket. I talked to Leela, an ex Flight Club girl. We negotiated to go to the VIP and she at least saved me the trouble of walking in and walking out by telling me at the table that she insists on payment up front.

Perhaps the session would have been ok with one or all of these girls. They are three attractive girls in my humble opinion. I know beauty is subjective. I am curious if others are having successful session with them.

I seriously considered trying and seeing what happened, but I have had too many bad experiences with paying up front and that I decided it was better not to do a session the VIP.

I encourage others to behave similarly.

MM.

[QUOTE=MareloboMex;5520802]Pay up front don't do it. I was tempted but walked away.

I was recently in bts and criket.

I found Winter attractive and negotiated to go to the VIP with her, as soon as we hit the room she asked for payment and I could not persuade her otherwise and walked out.

I liked Chloe even more and negotiated to go to the VIP with her, as soon as we hit the room she asked for payment and I could not persuade her otherwise and walked out.

I left frustrated and drove over to Criket. I talked to Leela, an ex Flight Club girl. We negotiated to go to the VIP and she at least saved me the trouble of walking in and walking out by telling me at the table that she insists on payment up front.

Perhaps the session would have been ok with one or all of these girls. They are three attractive girls in my humble opinion. I know beauty is subjective. I am curious if others are having successful session with them.

I seriously considered trying and seeing what happened, but I have had too many bad experiences with paying up front and that I decided it was better not to do a session the VIP.

I encourage others to behave similarly.

MM.[/QUOTE]Agreed. Same thing happened to me at BT's recently - "Thai" and some girl supposedly from Florida, can't remember name, both did the money up front speech. The good news is with Thai, I convinced her to compromise, and leave the donation in a spot visible to both of us. However, it was still off-putting enough that I didn't really enjoy the session and won't repeat with her. I walked out on the Florida girl. Not really loving BT's lately.

[QUOTE=MareloboMex;5520802]Pay up front don't do it. I was tempted but walked away.

I was recently in bts and criket.

I found Winter attractive and negotiated to go to the VIP with her, as soon as we hit the room she asked for payment and I could not persuade her otherwise and walked out.

I liked Chloe even more and negotiated to go to the VIP with her, as soon as we hit the room she asked for payment and I could not persuade her otherwise and walked out.

I left frustrated and drove over to Criket. I talked to Leela, an ex Flight Club girl. We negotiated to go to the VIP and she at least saved me the trouble of walking in and walking out by telling me at the table that she insists on payment up front.

Perhaps the session would have been ok with one or all of these girls. They are three attractive girls in my humble opinion. I know beauty is subjective. I am curious if others are having successful session with them.

I seriously considered trying and seeing what happened, but I have had too many bad experiences with paying up front and that I decided it was better not to do a session the VIP.

I encourage others to behave similarly.

MM.[/QUOTE]Never have, never will pay up front. Best I will do is show them the cash, which I have no issue doing. My last 5 experiences, only one wanted payment upfront, she settled for just seeing that I had the funds.