Strip Club Reports

[QUOTE=Jackbb;5512619]Does anyone know if Henry's of Southgate is ever reopening?[/QUOTE]Things do not look good for old H8's. Everyone else is open and they are still closed. There could still be a few things going on.

1) They have bigger problems than we know about. Maybe the owners are done with the place.

2nd) It is hard to believe but Michigan covid unemployment runs until September. I am not sure if it still includes the federal amount but all in all a boat load of money. Probably more than most of us earn in a week. That is like over a year of unemployment.

And 3rd normal jobs are all over the place and minimum wage is up. Of course all of this is just speculation as I have not heard anything specific.

A month ago I ventured to Detroit to sample your wares, when at Bogarts I saw a redhead, eastern european dancer, who was older that I wanted to taste. She had red or dark hair, ginormous tits (natural) and tats all over her body, can't remember the name but it was during dayshift. Anyone know who she is? And does she still work at bogarts and during dayshift?

[QUOTE=Passenger;5506819]Thanks. Someone who gets it. OF it seems, was intent on raising more capital in which to pay investors. Their model is damn near brilliant, BUT the conrinuing boogaboo is banks. Mastercard won't handle their transactions; others will follow. It's the conservative banking industry, and the religious right / evangelicals / faux conservatives that are driving all of this shit. Yeah, I get the underage and trafficking angle, but driving it further underground has been demonstrated to be as harmful, or more so to sex workers and their safety. It's nice to find a better supply of sex from websites and clubs, where the girls tend to feel safer than plying the streets. Safer for us too, generally. Wouldn't regulated brothels be nice? Oh wait, other nations do have them.[/QUOTE]OF announced today or yesterday they have completely reversed course on their decision. Say they have worked something out with the banking industry and will continue as they were. Something status quo.

[QUOTE=Perusing;5513081]OF announced today or yesterday they have completely reversed course on their decision. Say they have worked something out with the banking industry and will continue as they were. Something status quo.[/QUOTE]Yup and this article goes to show if you are a good looking woman you will never return to a club, restaurant, or in this case being a nurse. Former nurse, current wife and mom making 200K a month! Fact is a company and individuals making that kind of money is not going to kill it over "morals". The only way this stops is if guys stop paying (not going to happen) or if the government over steps and shuts it down.

Think what you want but I am confident this has an impact on the number and quality of girls dancing.

[URL]https://www.cnn.com/videos/business/2021/08/25/onlyfans-ban.cnn[/URL]

[QUOTE=Studly77;5512642]Things do not look good for old H8's. Everyone else is open and they are still closed. There could still be a few things going on.

1) They have bigger problems than we know about. Maybe the owners are done with the place.

2nd) It is hard to believe but Michigan covid unemployment runs until September. I am not sure if it still includes the federal amount but all in all a boat load of money. Probably more than most of us earn in a week. That is like over a year of unemployment.

And 3rd normal jobs are all over the place and minimum wage is up. Of course all of this is just speculation as I have not heard anything specific.[/QUOTE]It sounds gloomy and from asking at the other places, my understanding is that it will be at least a year and even that sounds optimistic.

South has been going downhill for several years and IMO, that's mostly due to the management they've had running things there. The manager they've had for at least the last two or three years has been a reason that a number of fairly attractive, good performers have left and from what I've seen and from the conversations I've had with several of the girls, he treats them very bad and they refuse to work there anymore. Basically, girls seem to have a love or hate relationship with him and the vast majority of them fall into the hate category. It would be great to see the club get back to its former glory days. Or at least somewhat closer. But until they make changes, it'll never happen. I don't know if the owners have blinders on or don't realize it but I'm sure that the declining bar receipts tell the story.

The last time I remember this club being "good" was about 10 years ago, when a manager named Ryan was there. When he was there, you could expect a number of girls with a few decent ones on regular basis and it wasn't uncommon have a mostly full or packed house.

[QUOTE=BadBird;5513670]Yup and this article goes to show if you are a good looking woman you will never return to a club, restaurant, or in this case being a nurse. Former nurse, current wife and mom making 200K a month! Fact is a company and individuals making that kind of money is not going to kill it over "morals". The only way this stops is if guys stop paying (not going to happen) or if the government over steps and shuts it down.

Think what you want but I am confident this has an impact on the number and quality of girls dancing.

[URL]https://www.cnn.com/videos/business/2021/08/25/onlyfans-ban.cnn[/URL][/QUOTE]I still don't see how OF has any long-term impact. I don't have any stats or articles to back what I'm saying, but I don't think OF is as lucrative for most hot women on it as it is for the top earners. Also, even if it is, it's not like the income stays steady forever. Plus, there's the videos being online forever. I think most girls who do OF were going to go that route instead of stripping anyway, and vice-versa. Maybe there are some baddies who would have been popular in a strip club but chose OF, but it's not on the scale where it has a large effect. Assuming talent has gone down (I don't live in Detroit), I still think the pandemic is the biggest factor / reason there.

[QUOTE=HornKnee;5514646]I still don't see how OF has any long-term impact. I don't have any stats or articles to back what I'm saying, but I don't think OF is as lucrative for most hot women on it as it is for the top earners. Also, even if it is, it's not like the income stays steady forever. Plus, there's the videos being online forever. I think most girls who do OF were going to go that route instead of stripping anyway, and vice-versa. Maybe there are some baddies who would have been popular in a strip club but chose OF, but it's not on the scale where it has a large effect. Assuming talent has gone down (I don't live in Detroit), I still think the pandemic is the biggest factor / reason there.[/QUOTE]A few women make a good amount. Most make less than a thousand bucks. As in. A lot less. The OP names one of the few and pretends it applies to most. It doesn't. The average is less than $150 / month, but IDK if that matter since most don't even keep it up, so how do you judge?

Dancers aren't making money on OF. While many charge $0-10 / month and make their money on private sales, I've found most dancers charge $20-50 / month, have nearly no followers, have no content, and are just there to squeeze a few more dollars out of their regs. And, you find out they don't care and stop posting or post 1 pic a month. You quit. It requires a lot of marketing, updates, and connections to get off the ground. Way more work than just about all are willing to do.

OF is there for most to be a 'try before you buy' service; whether buy means 'time' or regulars at the club. Dancers have an unlimited source of new regs without spending the time... so they don't. They approach it as a 'get that $$$ from regs' service. Good for them. But, they aren't getting anything. Anyone who thinks otherwise hasn't even bothered to join an OF site, so probably shouldn't comment. I can't tell you how many dancers sites I've gone to with less than 1 post a month, less than 10 posts, no likes (sign of no subscribers), and wanting a boatload for that. They may get it from a few, but not more than a handful.

[QUOTE=BadBird;5513670]Yup and this article goes to show if you are a good looking woman you will never return to a club, restaurant, or in this case being a nurse. Former nurse, current wife and mom making 200K a month! Fact is a company and individuals making that kind of money is not going to kill it over "morals". The only way this stops is if guys stop paying (not going to happen) or if the government over steps and shuts it down.

Think what you want but I am confident this has an impact on the number and quality of girls dancing.

[URL]https://www.cnn.com/videos/business/2021/08/25/onlyfans-ban.cnn[/URL][/QUOTE]I don't even go to clubs, but I follow enough dancers to get it.

They're not into the work required to make it online. They charge 10-50 x what successful OF women charge and they have basically 0 content and by all evidence 0-5 subscribers at a time. They start it thinking they'll get rich. They just leave it up to make an extra $100 / month from guys they know are obsessed with them at the club. They aren't going to quit dancing for the amount they make compared to OF. That's ridiculous. I know many on it. The work required to even get to a few dozen regulars at $5 / month is insane. To really think that dancers, who are all about money NOW, are putting in the time/work/effort to build a site to make money in a year is just not understanding what they're doing. Dancers especially are looking to get the maximum amount out of a specific person for the least amount of work. That mentality applied to OF is not a formula that gets them $200k / month... it gets them maybe $100-300 / month for a few months and then nearly nothing.

BTW. Fact is OF didn't make the decision to shut it down or start it up again. Fact is it was the banks. So what, you found one woman who probably had to do 40-80 hours a week to get her OF off the ground and she's also in the top 0. 00001% of people? So what? Dancers and women in general aren't going to do that. If you don't get that, you don't get women. They're not doing this to build a business slowly LOL.

Dancers tend to need money NOW drug dealers don't do IOUs. They can't sit around and wait to get paid once or twice a month. That is why even now you don't see that many hot American women on cam sites. The few top OF girls I know of were or still are cam models. That is how they build that huge following along with posting constantly and interacting with fans. Lets face it most strippers aren't really known for being hard workers. Very few are willing to put in the kind of work and hours required to make a good living from OF or from camming.

Call me crazy but we don't seem to see near as many 20 something junkies as we did 10 years ago so I think THAT is the reason for the lack of talent in clubs and escort sites. Just look at most of the escort listings most are all 30+. They are from the generation that stared out on pills and moved up. Pills aren't near as easy to come by as years past so not as many are getting started. Sure we still have crack, meth, and heroin but those aren't known as "safe" like pills were so less females get started.

In my past life, I used to sell Telco gear. I sold a T1 link (1. 544 Mbps) to a Strip club. They put a computer in the girl's locker room and the girls will work as cam girls. Guess what, they got zero stripers to do it. Cam girls are totally different from Stripers.

[QUOTE=Beer30;5514821]Dancers tend to need money NOW drug dealers don't do IOUs. They can't sit around and wait to get paid once or twice a month. That is why even now you don't see that many hot American women on cam sites. The few top OF girls I know of were or still are cam models. That is how they build that huge following along with posting constantly and interacting with fans. Lets face it most strippers aren't really known for being hard workers. Very few are willing to put in the kind of work and hours required to make a good living from OF or from camming.

Call me crazy but we don't seem to see near as many 20 something junkies as we did 10 years ago so I think THAT is the reason for the lack of talent in clubs and escort sites. Just look at most of the escort listings most are all 30+. They are from the generation that stared out on pills and moved up. Pills aren't near as easy to come by as years past so not as many are getting started. Sure we still have crack, meth, and heroin but those aren't known as "safe" like pills were so less females get started.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Taz41;5514674]A few women make a good amount. Most make less than a thousand bucks. As in. A lot less. The OP names one of the few and pretends it applies to most. It doesn't. The average is less than $150 / month, but IDK if that matter since most don't even keep it up, so how do you judge?

Dancers aren't making money on OF. While many charge $0-10 / month and make their money on private sales, I've found most dancers charge $20-50 / month, have nearly no followers, have no content, and are just there to squeeze a few more dollars out of their regs. And, you find out they don't care and stop posting or post 1 pic a month. You quit. It requires a lot of marketing, updates, and connections to get off the ground. Way more work than just about all are willing to do.

OF is there for most to be a 'try before you buy' service; whether buy means 'time' or regulars at the club. Dancers have an unlimited source of new regs without spending the time... so they don't. They approach it as a 'get that $$$ from regs' service. Good for them. But, they aren't getting anything. Anyone who thinks otherwise hasn't even bothered to join an OF site, so probably shouldn't comment. I can't tell you how many dancers sites I've gone to with less than 1 post a month, less than 10 posts, no likes (sign of no subscribers), and wanting a boatload for that. They may get it from a few, but not more than a handful.[/QUOTE]

If you're active on reddit at all, you'll know that there are quite a few girls that start a OF site when they turn 18, and very few make a living at it. It takes more than good looks to make money on OF. It's a LOT more work than many of these girls think. They have to constantly market and cross-market themselves to get a following. Posting sexual content or nudes is nowhere near as time consuming as the actual building a following part. That also means interacting with fans...constantly. One OF redditor was talking about this some time ago...she puts 10-12 hours a day on OF. Cross-marketing, responding to fans, etc...

On the flip side you have people like Belle Delphine that are making MILLIONS. She's reportedly making $1. 2 million per month. Yes, that's the same girl that sold her bathwater. She's done a few hardcore scenes with her boyfriend (including anal) but most of her scenes are her getting a facial while doing ahegao. The funny thing is that you can find all her OF work online for free. LOL.

[QUOTE=Beer30;5514821]Dancers tend to need money NOW drug dealers don't do IOUs. They can't sit around and wait to get paid once or twice a month. That is why even now you don't see that many hot American women on cam sites. The few top OF girls I know of were or still are cam models. That is how they build that huge following along with posting constantly and interacting with fans. Lets face it most strippers aren't really known for being hard workers. Very few are willing to put in the kind of work and hours required to make a good living from OF or from camming.

Call me crazy but we don't seem to see near as many 20 something junkies as we did 10 years ago so I think THAT is the reason for the lack of talent in clubs and escort sites. Just look at most of the escort listings most are all 30+. They are from the generation that stared out on pills and moved up. Pills aren't near as easy to come by as years past so not as many are getting started. Sure we still have crack, meth, and heroin but those aren't known as "safe" like pills were so less females get started.[/QUOTE]I don't disagree because that is how things go. But, I am anti-drug. If I detect that dancer a is a druggie no dance from me. Drugs are bad and I am not going to take advantage of them and I don't want to contribute to their addicting habit. Oddly, I would prefer the gold digger as long as she is not a thief.

I support freedom of choice. I would prefer if they are dancing because the want to make boatloads of cash. When it crosses the line and they are there because the have to that is not a good situation. I am sure it happens all over the place. But that does not mean I have to like it or agree with it.

[QUOTE=Studly77;5505373]Any indications is she would do BB? I would not pay that much for covered. Covered does not do much for me. In most cases I would pass.[/QUOTE]I was there a few weeks back and came across her. I just shut her down when she quoted me that for head.

[QUOTE=Studly77;5516739]I don't disagree because that is how things go. But, I am anti-drug. If I detect that dancer a is a druggie no dance from me. Drugs are bad and I am not going to take advantage of them and I don't want to contribute to their addicting habit. Oddly, I would prefer the gold digger as long as she is not a thief.

I support freedom of choice. I would prefer if they are dancing because the want to make boatloads of cash. When it crosses the line and they are there because the have to that is not a good situation. I am sure it happens all over the place. But that does not mean I have to like it or agree with it.[/QUOTE]I'm willing to bet, and pretty certain you've had many dancers who do drugs but didn't know it. Many are very good at hiding it and are often very functional as an addict. Also, drug users are a guarantee they are thieves. Many have morals but will take what they can if you offer the money.

[QUOTE=Studly77;5505373]Any indications is she would do BB? I would not pay that much for covered. Covered does not do much for me. In most cases I would pass.[/QUOTE]I don't know, I like her looks so when she pulled out the condom I didn't ask.