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I went to Super Relax last night for a straight up massage. I hadn't been there in a couple of months. Looks like there has been a complete change of personnel from the desk on back, but nothing new on the menu. The middle-aged woman with sort of an almond shaped head who worked on me did a fine job with a bit of tease, but that was it.
[QUOTE=Bouinage;1524833]Noodle I feel your pain, I've only EVER had luck at Capri, but never luck at SCS. We must both look like LEO to the other places. LOL![/QUOTE]Starskey and hutch, LOL Roush
[QUOTE=MrNoodly;1525229]I went to Super Relax last night for a straight up massage. I hadn't been there in a couple of months. Looks like there has been a complete change of personnel from the desk on back, but nothing new on the menu. The middle-aged woman with sort of an almond shaped head who worked on me did a fine job with a bit of tease, but that was it.[/QUOTE]SR if you are reading this and you ever bring Nancy back I'm me and I will be back.
[QUOTE=Dgfclt;1526257]SR if you are reading this and you ever bring Nancy back I'm me and I will be back.[/QUOTE]There is a Nancy now at the Super Relax on E. Independence in Matthews. I've been going to that one since it first opened and never got anything other than a really good massage. Until. The last time I went which was about 2 weeks ago. I just wanted a really good massage so off I went to Super Relax. I drew Nancy and I asked for an hour with no TS. She gave me one of the better massages I have had in a long time and suggested I should go for another 1/2 hour to really get the knots out. I of course opted for that. So on the flip I expected the usual face massage and light rubbing on legs and chest. Well bowl me over with a feather, gentle yet satisfying HE. Didn't have much to tip as I never thought anything extra would transpire. Could of been a fluke, but I'm taking that as a positive sign things may be turning around for the better. I'll give you more info, so just PM me. Good luck to all.
[QUOTE=Drew123;1526312]There is a Nancy now at the Super Relax on E. Independence in Matthews. I've been going to that one since it first opened and never got anything other than a really good massage. Until. The last time I went which was about 2 weeks ago. I just wanted a really good massage so off I went to Super Relax. I drew Nancy and I asked for an hour with no TS. She gave me one of the better massages I have had in a long time and suggested I should go for another 1/2 hour to really get the knots out. I of course opted for that. So on the flip I expected the usual face massage and light rubbing on legs and chest. Well bowl me over with a feather, gentle yet satisfying HE. Didn't have much to tip as I never thought anything extra would transpire. Could of been a fluke, but I'm taking that as a positive sign things may be turning around for the better. I'll give you more info, so just PM me. Good luck to all.[/QUOTE]It's not a Super Relax anymore, so services have been expanded. All the girls will do a HJ, some with better skills and attitudes than others. They also pay attention to cleaning the man parts in the TS.
[QUOTE=MrNoodly;1526363]It's not a Super Relax anymore, so services have been expanded. All the girls will do a HJ, some with better skills and attitudes than others. They also pay attention to cleaning the man parts in the TS.[/QUOTE]Thanks Noodley. Just that she gave me a super relax business card as I left. I guess they still using old cards. Like she or I even care. LOL. I just drive on "auto pilot" to the place where they do the massage, never paid attention to the sign. It's all good brother. Peace
Decided to try out Sunshine for the. 4/30.
[url]http://charlotte.backpage.com/BodyRubs/sunlight-spa-new-spagrand-opening-surprise-704-910-2717-23/9498145[/url]
Rubdown was decent to good, she was anything but young, don't know if they offered showers, HJ only, nothing else offered. Left a small tip after she asked for one. Might repeat if I met a different provider.
Had a client cancel a meeting and some spare time and was in the area. Decided to check out the Bow. New girl. Went by Sonya. Face looked in her 40s but body much younger looking. In shape and nice front (guess enhanced). TS thorough and made sure everything was clean which foreshadowed good things in the future. Massage was ok but a bit average. Following the massage she was way above average for an AMP. Not in a hurry, good client service. Paid at the high end of my limit but wasn't in the mood to negotiate and price was not out of line. Got my money's worth and would repeat.
P. S. She has a dog but he sits outside the room during the massage. Pretty funny actually.
Have fun and play safe.
Saw on the sheriff's site a hispanic lady got socked with about $3500 in bonds today for massage without out a license etc. Anyone know where she worked? Maybe time to take the next 2 weeks off!
Anyone know if Abby is still at Galaxy? I read a few "bay-cation" reports last year but then remember reading that she was back. When I was there about 2 months ago, I called ahead to verify Abby was there, yet when I showed up and asked for her, I got stuck with Jane.
I recently had a rather dull session with Jennifer at Midori. She's a bit old for my taste, although her body is holding up OK. Most importantly, she was in a real hurry for me to finish. We did most of my favorite things, but it was all much too hurried. She did provide a fairly nice, strong massage. Overall, she definitely gets the thumbs down from me.
[QUOTE=Aldor;1527417]Saw on the sheriff's site a hispanic lady got socked with about $3500 in bonds today for massage without out a license etc. Anyone know where she worked? Maybe time to take the next 2 weeks off![/QUOTE]Got an answer by PM. It was CTS again.
Hmmmm and that isn't entrapment?
[QUOTE=EasyRiderHer;1527885]Thats Guadalupe from CTS. She's been around awhile and knew better. I understand that the cops used regular guys that could feel and smile to catch the girls. The cops came in after the deed was done and she had taken her tip.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=NC Transplant;1528207]Hmmmm and that isn't entrapment?[/QUOTE]From Wikipedia: "In criminal law, entrapment is conduct by a law enforcement agent inducing a person to commit an offense that the person would otherwise have been unlikely to commit."
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrapment[/url]
[QUOTE=EasyRiderHer;1527885]Thats Guadalupe from CTS. She's been around awhile and knew better. I understand that the cops used regular guys that could feel and smile to catch the girls. The cops came in after the deed was done and she had taken her tip.[/QUOTE]THAT SUCKS! 3500$! Thats outrageous. I wonder if there wasnt some other fines tacked on? If she went ahead with the HE and then recieved the tip how could she know that he was with LE. Would that be the same as meeting a BP girl, fu_king her, then giving her money, then arresting her!
Went on Friday and had Kimmie, this place has been nothing but legit the last two years that I have went to it and that is what I expected this time. This was a new girl so she asked me the standard if I had been there before which I said of course many times. She excused herself while I got undressed (didn't want table shower). Soon as Kimmie walks in she takes my towel and throws it to the side. Then gives me a good 35 minutes on my stomach naked, but not touching anything unusual. So thought nothing of it. On the flip she takes the towel and covers me. Again thinking nothing of it, after doing the standard temple massage she goes down to my thighs and mysteriously the towel slips off and she acts like she is putting it back on and rubs the boy. Sorry she says, and goes back to the thighs grazing my balls the whole time. Now I am completely hard so I say what the heck and reach to grab her ass and lets out soft moan and says good. Well, it led to a very good and suprising session. Only thing she tells me is give me tip afterward. Which I did, SM can hit me up for details. Again totally a suprise this whole session.
Say I am at an AMP where the masseuse is licensed. Would LE coming in during a table shower where I am in the buff (not getting an HE or anything sexual at this point) be illegal?
[QUOTE=TwistedFace;1528753]Say I am at an AMP where the masseuse is licensed. Would LE coming in during a table shower where I am in the buff (not getting an HE or anything sexual at this point) be illegal?[/QUOTE]No, that would not be illegal. There are only two ways you are going to get into legal trouble at an AMP: (1) you are having sex with your masseuse when the police burst into the room; or (2) law enforcement sets up a sting in the AMP, and you proposition a law enforcement officer pretending to be a masseuse or you are otherwise recorded, on audio or video, offering money to the masseuse (regardless of whether she is an undercover LEO or not) in exchange for sex.
People can, and do, go to massage parlors that may be offering sexual services without expecting, asking for, or receiving such sexual services. Hell, I have had sessions at an AMP where all I received was a massage, and I did not ask for, and was not offered, anything else. If you read through this thread, there are numerous reports where somebody went to an AMP, and exactly nothing happened. In fact, there are a depressing number of such reports!
Nice post on SuperRelax. Can you give me details on the level of service and what you paid? Did you get FS? Peace, JM.
[QUOTE=HappyTobAlive;1528731]Went on Friday and had Kimmie, this place has been nothing but legit the last two years that I have went to it and that is what I expected this time. This was a new girl so she asked me the standard if I had been there before which I said of course many times. She excused herself while I got undressed (didn't want table shower). Soon as Kimmie walks in she takes my towel and throws it to the side. Then gives me a good 35 minutes on my stomach naked, but not touching anything unusual. So thought nothing of it. On the flip she takes the towel and covers me. Again thinking nothing of it, after doing the standard temple massage she goes down to my thighs and mysteriously the towel slips off and she acts like she is putting it back on and rubs the boy. Sorry she says, and goes back to the thighs grazing my balls the whole time. Now I am completely hard so I say what the heck and reach to grab her ass and lets out soft moan and says good. Well, it led to a very good and suprising session. Only thing she tells me is give me tip afterward. Which I did, SM can hit me up for details. Again totally a suprise this whole session.[/QUOTE]
Damn, I hate when I do that. I meant for that to be a PM to you, not a post to the forum.
[QUOTE=John Marigold;1528867]Nice post on SuperRelax. Can you give me details on the level of service and what you paid? Did you get FS? Peace, JM.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Love Kgirls; 1528860]No, that would not be illegal. There are only two ways you are going to get into legal trouble at an AMP: (1) you are having sex with your masseuse when the police burst into the room; or (2) law enforcement sets up a sting in the AMP, and you proposition a law enforcement officer pretending to be a masseuse or you are otherwise recorded, on audio or video, offering money to the masseuse (regardless of whether she is an undercover LEO or not) in exchange for sex.
People can, and do, go to massage parlors that may be offering sexual services without expecting, asking for, or receiving such sexual services. Hell, I have had sessions at an AMP where all I received was a massage, and I did not ask for, and was not offered, anything else. If you read through this thread, there are numerous reports where somebody went to an AMP, and exactly nothing happened. In fact, there are a depressing number of such reports![/QUOTE]This makes sense. Thanks!
Suppose police burst into your room during a session at an AMP under the following scenarios:
1. The masseuse is naked or topless and is giving you a hand job while you are kissing her breasts.
2. Suppose she is not naked; maybe you just have your hands on her clothed butt while she is administering a happy ending.
Is this considered "having sex" according to your first criterion? Or maybe it depends on just what the meaning of "is" is (accoring to WJC)? I'm not trying to be controversial (well maybe just a little bit) , but it's worth clarifying a little bit. I don't pretend to know, but I suspect both of the above criteria "could" cause a monger to be in legal trouble. Having said that, assume that in the above situations there is no evidence of a "transaction for services." The police just burst in during the HE session and both the mongerer and masseuse deny any monetary transaction. Is there still a crime? Maybe for the masseuse but not for the mongerer? Confusing.
It does seem that LEO will bust a girl for offering HE in exchange for money. Under the LE websites, you see girls charged with "massaging the genitals" or something like that. But I do think it was an undercover LE that got his balls oiled in these cases.
By the way, you point out a legitimate risk in the second situation of an LEO sting at an AMP. In fact, such a sting occurred 3 years ago or so at an AMP in either Spartanburg or Greenville, SC. I forget which one. According to news reports (I think links were provided in one of the SC threads) , the LEO busted the working girls there, and then put in one or two undercover asian girls. They busted several guys, showing them in shackles and handcuffs.
[QUOTE=Love Kgirls; 1528860]No, that would not be illegal. There are only two ways you are going to get into legal trouble at an AMP: (1) you are having sex with your masseuse when the police burst into the room; or (2) law enforcement sets up a sting in the AMP, and you proposition a law enforcement officer pretending to be a masseuse or you are otherwise recorded, on audio or video, offering money to the masseuse (regardless of whether she is an undercover LEO or not) in exchange for sex.
People can, and do, go to massage parlors that may be offering sexual services without expecting, asking for, or receiving such sexual services. Hell, I have had sessions at an AMP where all I received was a massage, and I did not ask for, and was not offered, anything else. If you read through this thread, there are numerous reports where somebody went to an AMP, and exactly nothing happened. In fact, there are a depressing number of such reports![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=TwistedFace;1528753]Say I am at an AMP where the masseuse is licensed. Would LE coming in during a table shower where I am in the buff (not getting an HE or anything sexual at this point) be illegal?[/QUOTE]This actually happened to me while I was in the middle of a scrub. I heard yelling at the front of the place and then the door to the scrub room was knocked on and an officer covered in black from head to toe opened the door, asked the girl to come out and then told me to get up and come out. I asked what was going on and was asked which room I was in. They "allowed" me to go in and put on my clothes while I asked what was the problem. After a few minutes the officers came in and asked my name and for I'd. All my info was in my truck and I gave my name and was asked if I would go out with an officer and get I'd. In retrospect, I should have said "no" since opening my truck may have led to a search of my vehicle. But I had nothing to hide and they didn't have probable cause so I figured what the hell. The main guy asked me if anything illegal was going on and I replied I to my knowledge this was a licensed establishment and asked why was it being raided? I was told they had reason to believe illegal activities were going on and unlicensed masseuses were working there. I was then told they had me on tape from the establishment, had my name and if I came back I would be detained. I told them if the place was illegal they should shut it down and I had done nothing to be detained for. They then told me not to be a smart ass and to leave. I asked if I could have my money back (LOL? I was then told again to leave. I did.
[QUOTE=Bouinage; 1526632]Decided to try out Sunshine for the. 4/30.
[url]http://charlotte.backpage.com/BodyRubs/sunlight-spa-new-spagrand-opening-surprise-704-910-2717-23/9498145[/url]
Rubdown was decent to good, she was anything but young, don't know if they offered showers, HJ only, nothing else offered. Left a small tip after she asked for one. Might repeat if I met a different provider.[/QUOTE]I had pretty much the same experience. She used way too much oil though and no hot towel to clean up after. When we were done she brought me some water in this tiny dixie cup, I almost started laughing. I would not repeat.
[QUOTE=John Marigold; 1529224]Suppose police burst into your room during a session at an AMP under the following scenarios:
1. The masseuse is naked or topless and is giving you a hand job while you are kissing her breasts.
2. Suppose she is not naked; maybe you just have your hands on her clothed butt while she is administering a happy ending.
Is this considered "having sex" according to your first criterion? Or maybe it depends on just what the meaning of "is" is (accoring to WJC)? I'm not trying to be controversial (well maybe just a little bit) , but it's worth clarifying a little bit. I don't pretend to know, but I suspect both of the above criteria "could" cause a monger to be in legal trouble. Having said that, assume that in the above situations there is no evidence of a "transaction for services." The police just burst in during the HE session and both the mongerer and masseuse deny any monetary transaction. Is there still a crime? Maybe for the masseuse but not for the mongerer? Confusing.
By the way, you point out a legitimate risk in the second situation of an LEO sting at an AMP. In fact, such a sting occurred 3 years ago or so at an AMP in either Spartanburg or Greenville, SC. I forget which one. According to news reports (I think links were provided in one of the SC threads) , the LEO busted the working girls there, and then put in one or two undercover asian girls. They busted several guys, showing them in shackles and handcuffs.[/QUOTE]Under both of those scenarios, you are likely going to be arrested for solicitation of prostitution. I was generally referring to sex, but a hand job would almost certainly be encompassed within the scope of the conduct prohibited by whatever statute or local ordinance applies under the circumstances. Obviously, there could be evidentiary issues that come into play with proving that you paid for that hand job, but judges and juries know the score. If you are engaged in sexual activity in an AMP, it's not because the masseuse was overcome with passion and had no choice but to grab hold of your johnson or hop up on it.
I remember that setup in Spartanburg, as well as the media coverage. Damn shame, that was. That was a good place!
[QUOTE=Love Kgirls; 1529724]Under both of those scenarios, you are likely going to be arrested for solicitation of prostitution. I was generally referring to sex, but a hand job would almost certainly be encompassed within the scope of the conduct prohibited by whatever statute or local ordinance applies under the circumstances. Obviously, there could be evidentiary issues that come into play with proving that you paid for that hand job, but judges and juries know the score. If you are engaged in sexual activity in an AMP, it's not because the masseuse was overcome with passion and had no choice but to grab hold of your johnson or hop up on it.
I remember that setup in Spartanburg, as well as the media coverage. Damn shame, that was. That was a good place![/QUOTE]I guess they would have to prove that you gave her money in exchange for sexual favors, which we all know does not happen! We pay for their time only! Having a good lawyer will probably fix the situation, you pay a fine, court, and your lawyer. The real issue here (imo) is that your mugshot gets pasted all over the web, plastered all over the "slamer" magazine thats in every gas station, and all your personal business is spread out for everyone to see.
Has anyone been to Belle Deese [url]www.belledeese.com[/url] Was thinking about trying the Nuru. Their rates seen reasonable but I don't know if if they are looking for a big tip before the fun begins. As my funds are limited, I don't want to get there and find out that I'm under funded. PM with any intel.
Wasn't too thrilled with my two trips to Spa One. Saw Sky and then Suzie. Received very ho-hum TS, then a lazy / below average message. Full press up sell occurred 10 minutes into the message. Their expectations of my budget were much higher than the market calls for. I didn't give them what they were asking; settled for a lesser service and left both times feeling like I wasted my money.
Honestly, guys, who the hell is going to risk an AMP this close to the dnc? Out of all the avenues for the hobby it seems to me to be the most vulnerable to stings.
[QUOTE=Ntowl;1523424]I almost forgot, old mamasan is back. She is so much fun and I'm sure service will improve now that she is back.[/QUOTE]Went there the other day. No old mamasan! But I get along great with Ginnie / Jeannie. Had Linda who I had not seen before and she was much younger than the typical Lilly's talent. However I found her skills somewhat lacking and roaming somewhat limited. Still, left happy, although not as good as some other times I've been there.
[QUOTE=PieMonger;1532845]Honestly, guys, who the hell is going to risk an AMP this close to the dnc? Out of all the avenues for the hobby it seems to me to be the most vulnerable to stings.[/QUOTE]That is exactly what I am thinking. After seeing all of the practice motorcades, cops everywhere etc etc over the last few days I am going to be saint for the next week.
[QUOTE=PieMonger;1532845]Honestly, guys, who the hell is going to risk an AMP this close to the dnc? Out of all the avenues for the hobby it seems to me to be the most vulnerable to stings.[/QUOTE]I don't know, I feel more comfortable going to the AMP, than walking into a hotel room after you've answered an ad for P4P. I think if you went to an established AMP (NOT close to downtown / balentyne area) and you followed the monger rules and your "spidey" sense I think it would be fine. Now if you wanted to say that mongering in general over the next few weeks will be riskier than normal, than I would agree.
[QUOTE=Dgfclt;1533048]After seeing all of the practice motorcades, cops everywhere etc[/QUOTE]There are only so many cops. If a bunch of them are assigned to security and crowd control, there are fewer left to work other things. Besides, the last thing CharMeck PD wants to do is create a political shit storm by accidentally arresting convention delegates. So I'm more inclined to think they're going to turn a bit of a blind eye during the actual convention. But this pre-convention holiday weekend would probably be a good time to stick with tried-and-true, UTR providers. Or just take a break.
I read last week that they are closing some roads in the balentyne area, so there could be some high brass around there. You may want to avoid that too.
[QUOTE=Bouinage;1533089]I don't know, I feel more comfortable going to the AMP, than walking into a hotel room after you've answered an ad for P4P. I think if you went to an established AMP (NOT close to downtown / balentyne area) and you followed the monger rules and your "spidey" sense I think it would be fine. Now if you wanted to say that mongering in general over the next few weeks will be riskier than normal, than I would agree.[/QUOTE]
Went by the new spa on Baldwin off Providence. Ad on BP said new spa having a "soft opening". $40 special. The manager and the couple of the girls I saw were from SCS. Place still needed some decorating, and the AC wasn't working. The girl tried in the room but it was too damn hot. Best thing is I work uptown and this saves me a long haul to Hwy 51.
[QUOTE=TwistedFace;1528753]Say I am at an AMP where the masseuse is licensed. Would LE coming in during a table shower where I am in the buff (not getting an HE or anything sexual at this point) be illegal?[/QUOTE]The City of Charlotte has law against massaging a person of the opposite sex. (Sec. 6-403) (I've yet to see this applied at any fully legitimate places.) The state massage therapy law seems to classify a table shower as massage (NGCS 90&8209; 622 (3) (be).
These two laws taken together should be sufficient to make a table shower illegal. However it should only apply to the masseuse and only if the masseuse is the opposite sex. There maybe larger Fourth amendment rights at play here as well.
City Code:
[url]http://library.municode.com/HTML/19970/level3/PTIICOOR_CH6BUTR_ARTVIIMAPAHESAREBU.html[/url]#PTIICOOR_CH6BUTR_ARTVIIMAPAHESAREBU_S6-403PRAC.
State Law:
[url]http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/enactedlegislation/statutes/html/bychapter/chapter_90.html[/url]
Stopped by Friday afternoon. Met Yuni. TS was good she made sure the boys were nice and clean. Massage was okay. On the flip
She gave a nice and slow HE. Would only allow roaming over her clothes. Would pull away when I tried to go further. I asked for extras but nothing else was on menu.
I certainly don't want a guy to massage me. So they could shut down massage envy with these laws if they wanted to?
[QUOTE=Shilowbar; 1534260]The City of Charlotte has law against massaging a person of the opposite sex. (Sec. 6-403) (I've yet to see this applied at any fully legitimate places.) The state massage therapy law seems to classify a table shower as massage (NGCS 90&8209; 622 (3) (be).
These two laws taken together should be sufficient to make a table shower illegal. However it should only apply to the masseuse and only if the masseuse is the opposite sex. There maybe larger Fourth amendment rights at play here as well.
City Code:
[url]http://library.municode.com/HTML/19970/level3/PTIICOOR_CH6BUTR_ARTVIIMAPAHESAREBU.html[/url]
#PTIICOOR_CH6BUTR_ARTVIIMAPAHESAREBU_S6-403PRAC.
State Law:
[url]http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/enactedlegislation/statutes/html/bychapter/chapter_90.html[/url][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=NC Transplant;1534428]I certainly don't want a guy to massage me. So they could shut down massage envy with these laws if they wanted to?[/QUOTE]Theoretically, yes. Law enforcement in Charlotte regularly cites women in the AMPs for massaging a person of the opposite sex, usually together with a charge for massaging the private parts of another. Apparently, the constitutionality of the opposite sex massage ban was upheld many years ago, but I am not sure it would withstand constitutional scrutiny if challenged today. It's pretty obvious even to a casual observer that CMPD arbitrarily enforces that provision of the code by singling out establishments which are believed to be offering sex for money. However, for this provision to be struck down, someone has to have the appetite and the means to challenge it in court and pursue any necessary appeals. It's doubtful that the providers at an AMP or an AMP itself would have the interest or money to challenge that provision. If, however, CMPD cites Massage Envy or another similar business for a violation, you can bet that they would probably put up a fight.
[QUOTE=Love Kgirls;1534924]Theoretically, yes. Law enforcement in Charlotte regularly cites women in the AMPs for massaging a person of the opposite sex, usually together with a charge for massaging the private parts of another. Apparently, the constitutionality of the opposite sex massage ban was upheld many years ago, but I am not sure it would withstand constitutional scrutiny if challenged today. It's pretty obvious even to a casual observer that CMPD arbitrarily enforces that provision of the code by singling out establishments which are believed to be offering sex for money. However, for this provision to be struck down, someone has to have the appetite and the means to challenge it in court and pursue any necessary appeals. It's doubtful that the providers at an AMP or an AMP itself would have the interest or money to challenge that provision. If, however, CMPD cites Massage Envy or another similar business for a violation, you can bet that they would probably put up a fight.[/QUOTE]There is a big difference between an AMP and a national spa / massage chain. The AMP have a rep for one type of service and most likely are owned or controlled by some criminal or criminal organization. Massage Envy has 700 franchised locations nationwide. Using only Licensed Massage & Bodywork Therapy Professsiona. LMBTP, licensed by the state. Chiropractors use the same. CMPD knows no HE are going on in Massage Envy. It may be illegal at the city level but is it at the state level. The cops mostly likely tack the opposite sex charge only if they catch some Asian gal with her lips on your dick. At one time you could only get a ticket for no seat belt if you were pulled over for something else. Same concept. I don't do massage parlors, it's like putting a target on your back. The cops know where to look.