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Who are we to judge imminent danger, if I had a weapon pointed at me that had the potential to seriously harm or kill me I think I'd feel like I was in imminent danger. I wouldn't want the responsibility of being a police officer, but unless they can prove the officer did not truly believe his life was in danger (and their is no way to prove that) then they have to accept that is how he felt and rule accordingly.
Atlanta P. D. 58% black. 37 % white.
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[QUOTE=Niteluvr;5341611]In the first link, the Japanese guy defrauded lots of women. Had a guy similar to that in my platoon in Korea in the late 90's. He had promised 5 different Korean women that he would marry them, targeting desperate, fugly women. They bought him gifts, gave him money, etc. I got his ass kicked out of the Army.
I'm sure your angle is that women do this shit to guys all the time but it's wrong either way.[/QUOTE]I am curious as how and why this guy got kicked out of the Army. It was my experience that you had to work to get separated from the service. It get kicked out for an issue that was non-medical or mental but more criminal in nature your offense had to be serious. The Army always looked at you as a function warm body who can hold a rifle or do a job, and you belong to us. How did this guy go?
He acted according to his training, so I'm not sure on what basis he could be fired. After this incident occurred, they interviewed the head of the training academy that Rolfe and all APD cops go through on TV. This was just after Mayor dumb-Bottoms had fired Rolfe. He basically called out the Mayor and said what she did was wrong, and that Rolfe acted according to the way officers are trained to react, and that if the Mayor has a problem with that, then the training needs to be changed. Any decent Defense attorney can and will use that sound bite, and call that offical as a witness for the Defense to show that Rolfe acted as per his training. No way can he be fired for that. Brooks overpowered Rolfe and his partner (even gave his partner a concussion, I believe), took their weapon and fired it at them. Bottoms effectively gave him a paid vacation, although his life was ruined in the process.
[QUOTE=RedneckStud;5342114]He will probably be fired again, but under the process outlined by the union rules.
I think the murder charge is a bunch of bullshit, but he's still going to be fired.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ILuvEmall;5343484]He acted according to his training, so I'm not sure on what basis he could be fired. After this incident occurred, they interviewed the head of the training academy that Rolfe and all APD cops go through on TV. This was just after Mayor dumb-Bottoms had fired Rolfe. He basically called out the Mayor and said what she did was wrong, and that Rolfe acted according to the way officers are trained to react, and that if the Mayor has a problem with that, then the training needs to be changed. Any decent Defense attorney can and will use that sound bite, and call that offical as a witness for the Defense to show that Rolfe acted as per his training. No way can he be fired for that. Brooks overpowered Rolfe and his partner (even gave his partner a concussion, I believe), took their weapon and fired it at them. Bottoms effectively gave him a paid vacation, although his life was ruined in the process.[/QUOTE]Because it will be too dangerous for him to be on the force. I'm pretty sure he's going to beat the murder charge.
Officer Darren Wilson, from the mike Brown incident / Ferguson mo. Was investigated by every agency you could think of. His actions were deemed lawful reasonable and well with in policy yet he was forced to quit and go in hiding. Both him and the guy from Apd acted lawfully and according to their training. I am thrilled both officers went home safely. I am saddened he will no longer be a cop. Getting hired and trained to be a officer is not easy. I read recently 92% of people who applied for APD were screened out because they failed to return background check or failed to compete it. Not screened out for content, but because they were unable to fill out basic form. Between, drug history, credit history, driving history and tattoo policies the pool of candidates were limited. Add now to the environment everyone with a cellphone is a investigative reporter and everything you say or do can be twisted, who would want the job? 12 hour shifts, rotating days / nights. Mandatory overtime. Hostile customer base? No support of city. The Mayor making ridiculous statements not based in facts. No thank you.
[QUOTE=RedneckStud;5343490]Because it will be too dangerous for him to be on the force. I'm pretty sure he's going to beat the murder charge.[/QUOTE]That is not a fireable offense. Now, maybe they can get him to agree to retire, with retirement pay, but that's not the same as being fired.
[QUOTE=ILuvEmall;5343525]That is not a fireable offense. Now, maybe they can get him to agree to retire, with retirement pay, but that's not the same as being fired.[/QUOTE]They will find another reason. Maybe unnecessary use of force.
[QUOTE=RedneckStud;5343555]They will find another reason. Maybe unnecessary use of force.[/QUOTE]Don't believe he'll be fired. How can you be fired when your training officer is on record stating that you acted as per your training? Definitely do agree with you regarding the murder charge- that was insane to begin with.
[QUOTE=RedneckStud;5343555]They will find another reason. Maybe unnecessary use of force.[/QUOTE]If they want to burn this guy at the stake, they'll find a way, if they want to fire / arrest / whatever they'll find a way, it's all about what those in power decide to do.
The guy probably will not be able to work a regular cop beat again, but that is not the same as being fired. As I said before, his life is now ruined. Wouldn't surprise me if he brings a civil suit against Mayor dumb-Bottoms and city of Atlanta, and sues them for years of lost pay and pension as a result of his inability to work as a cop again.
[QUOTE=GaryRidgeway;5343522]Officer Darren Wilson, from the mike Brown incident / Ferguson mo. Was investigated by every agency you could think of. His actions were deemed lawful reasonable and well with in policy yet he was forced to quit and go in hiding. Both him and the guy from Apd acted lawfully and according to their training. I am thrilled both officers went home safely. I am saddened he will no longer be a cop. Getting hired and trained to be a officer is not easy. I read recently 92% of people who applied for APD were screened out because they failed to return background check or failed to compete it. Not screened out for content, but because they were unable to fill out basic form. Between, drug history, credit history, driving history and tattoo policies the pool of candidates were limited. Add now to the environment everyone with a cellphone is a investigative reporter and everything you say or do can be twisted, who would want the job? 12 hour shifts, rotating days / nights. Mandatory overtime. Hostile customer base? No support of city. The Mayor making ridiculous statements not based in facts. No thank you.[/QUOTE]
Here it is: [URL]https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/11/us/robert-aaron-long-atlanta-spa-shooting-indictment/index.html[/URL].
Did anyone else see the irony in the Fani Willis statement: "Lady Justice in this community is blind," Willis told a news conference after her court filing. "It does not matter your ethnicity, it does not matter the side of the tracks you come from, it does not matter your wealth. " Then in the next breath she went on to announce that she would seek the death penalty pursuant to the hate crime statute based on the gender and race of the victims. Did she really even listen to her statement before she made it? Yeah, I know the point she was trying to make, but still...
I don't have a problem with pursuing the death sentence, as what the guy did is heinous. I don't think the guy specifically targeted Asian women, but rather the businesses he frequented, and the people there were largely Asian women. If some guy had a grudge against 7-11's or Dairy Queens, chances are he'd take out Indian men, but that wouldn't make it a hate crime against Indian men.
[QUOTE=Niteluvr;5345953]Here it is: [URL]https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/11/us/robert-aaron-long-atlanta-spa-shooting-indictment/index.html[/URL].[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ILuvEmall;5347128]Did anyone else see the irony in the Fani Willis statement: "Lady Justice in this community is blind," Willis told a news conference after her court filing. "It does not matter your ethnicity, it does not matter the side of the tracks you come from, it does not matter your wealth. " Then in the next breath she went on to announce that she would seek the death penalty pursuant to the hate crime statute based on the gender and race of the victims. Did she really even listen to her statement before she made it? Yeah, I know the point she was trying to make, but still...
I don't have a problem with pursuing the death sentence, as what the guy did is heinous. I don't think the guy specifically targeted Asian women, but rather the businesses he frequented, and the people there were largely Asian women. If some guy had a grudge against 7-11's or Dairy Queens, chances are he'd take out Indian men, but that wouldn't make it a hate crime against Indian men.[/QUOTE]Exactly! Just because somebody goes into a place and shoots people of some ethnicity because they are that doesn't mean it was a hate crime which is what I was trying to say in the fight thread but people weren't agreeing with me. Me, you, Night, Aaron, Sgt. Soros, Sky, etc. Could've been in any of those spas that day when that guy did what he did. If you work at a very disliked place like Game stop some fool could come in with a gun and shoot a few black guys who are in the store because he found out he was only going to be getting 2 dollars for a video game he was trading in. I agree with the death penalty against this guy but to say it was a hate crime does not fit the bill because there is not enough for that and also to add one of us who was on here was one of the victims along with a woman who was getting a massage.
[QUOTE=ILuvEmall;5347128]Did anyone else see the irony in the Fani Willis statement: "Lady Justice in this community is blind," Willis told a news conference after her court filing. "It does not matter your ethnicity, it does not matter the side of the tracks you come from, it does not matter your wealth. " Then in the next breath she went on to announce that she would seek the death penalty pursuant to the hate crime statute based on the gender and race of the victims. Did she really even listen to her statement before she made it? Yeah, I know the point she was trying to make, but still...
I don't have a problem with pursuing the death sentence, as what the guy did is heinous. I don't think the guy specifically targeted Asian women, but rather the businesses he frequented, and the people there were largely Asian women. If some guy had a grudge against 7-11's or Dairy Queens, chances are he'd take out Indian men, but that wouldn't make it a hate crime against Indian men.[/QUOTE]I hope they can make a case based on gender because I think he definitely targeted women.