Worth repeating. Giani's 13 additional rules
I am planning on pulling back a bit from posting and cruising and will post an explanation for this decision shortly, but I want to re-post something that has appeared several times before in this forum. With so many newbies posting recently, it occurs to me that they may not be aware of the 13 additional rules Giani once posted to supplement the 22 rules that may be found through a link on USA Sex Guide's home page. So here they are:
1) Keep a separate "monger's wallet" with only as much $$ as you are willing to lose and a condom or two. Stash your actual wallet with credit cards, driver's license and extra cash in a separate hidden spot.
2) Be VERY cautious if the "SW" on the street looks TOO good I. E, usually they DON'T dress in stilettos, leopard prints, or other obvious hooker outfits. It smells of a sting or a TV.
3) Do not call attention to yourself by making a show out of the stop (no you-turns, no flagrant traffic moves. Pull off onto the next side street, turn off the engine, foot off the brakes. Let her come to you. Alternatively, go smoothly around the block, having caught her eye. Yes, do not pick up if a possible LE car is following you.
4) When you pull up, be willing to drive away immediately if your close-up impression of her through the window is not good. (Sores, too thin, wired, dirty & stinky, sullen or "dead" eyes? SWs are NEVER as good as your first impression driving by at a distance) Tell her you are sorry, you thought she was someone else.
5) If she passes first inspection, ask her if she needs a ride. She should immediately say "Yes" and hop right into the car. Under no circumstances negotiate through the window. The monger's acid test is that stinging decoys will NOT get into the car. (Caution: I have heard rumors that LE will blackmail SWs into serving as decoys who WILL get into the car. However, I do not have definitive data on this) If she insists on negotiating through the window, tell her you thought she was someone else, a friend, and split. Watch out for tailing LE.
6) Once she is in the car, *immediately* leave the "combat zone. " Mongers DO get stopped by LE because a recognized SW is in the car. The test: get a feel of her bare breasts to be SURE she isn't LE. She may grab your crotch to ensure that you aren't LE. Then get a crystal clear understanding of exactly what you want (covered or no, catch or no, swallow or no, FS (SHE should insist on covered, etc) and for exactly how much (plus tip if satisfied. Extensive bargaining is a warning flag of a troublesome SW, and another reason to turn her out.
7) Go to YOUR location unless she has a good reason not to. HER location may include a male friend of hers who will rip you off. If she refuses your spot, you have another reason to turn her out. For FS (do we have to say) ALWAYS cover up. If she offers barebacked FS, DO NOT GO THERE!
8) NEVER give up the $ before you are finished. You can pay a *small* token front, but NEVER the whole amount. This includes (as we have often been asked) request for front money so they can buy some "butter. " If she refuses, then again, tell her "thanks but no thanks. " Once she has your money, she is in control. Money in her hand may mean you will never get into their Bush.
9) The use of drugs is a problem, but try to read what it might be. Crack (butter) leaves them still cogent, able to reason, may make them even make more enthusiastic and not totally out of it, in the experience of many mongers. Crack creates a dependency, but not the kind of withdrawal that becomes a potentially violent emergency for them. Heroin (dog food) addiction on the other hand leads to dangerous situations. If they seem REALLY drugged up, you should not have let them in the car. The difficult truth is that the vast majority of SWs do so to support some habit.
10) Do not let outside people get involved. No answering doors, no second girls, no nothing. You are asking for serious problems.
11) If confronted with a dangerous situation, do not get hostile or seriously argumentative. Tempers flare quickly, to what extent, you may not want to learn. GIVE IT UP. After all, you stashed your wallet and extra $$ elsewhere, right?
12) If you ARE ripped off, publicize the hell out of it on this board with as much descriptive detail as you can. Educate the rest of us about what mistakes you would not make again. Give a detailed description of the SW, exactly where, when, how you connected. Got pictures?
13) Finally, try to get to know those SWs who ARE dependable. They can, and often are willing to advise you about dangerous, HIV positive or drugged out SWs. But remember however, even long-time dependable SWs should not have too much temptation placed in front of them-even they can "grab and run. "
Stay safe-even if the thrill of the hunt is part of the deal, stay safe.
Bill Fanta[-stique]: thanks for the memories, we hope to hear from you again.
What we have valued from your posts depends on the point on the time line:
1) Your early posts were so unexpectedly innocent, so honest, so "just what we remember from when we first mongered" Most of us would have been unwilling to acknowledge OUR newbie missteps. I remember that the subject line of one of my first responses to a confessional post of yours in which you described your less than satisfactory recent exploit was "Bill, Bill, Bill... "
2) Your honesty in painting the scenarios of your rides. Your (often naive) role in the drama was engaging and positive. This even in the face of occasional abuse by more experienced street-wise SWs you did not let it bring you down.
3) Your unstinting valuation of the human in the individual, even in the most jaded SW, and, even when in doubt, treating them as valued persons in our society who have had more than their share of harsh and abusive experiences. I know that even the SWs who took advantage of you are grateful that YOU were not an abuser.
4) Of late, your eloquence and deep thoughtful probing of your experiences on the street, and teaching, not only the newbies about the pitfalls, but us jaded veterans about the twists and turns of the 'hobby. " Not to mention how entertaining your descriptive prose is to us all. You have justifiably received many positive reviews of your recent posts.
5) Never were you abusive to other posters, even when they were hostile to you. You, the Budda of the board.
I understand the many factors in 'standing down. ' I suspect you will still take a look at the board periodically, and will be grateful for any pearls you might cast in our direction.
In friendship, Giani
Bill Fanta[-stique]: thanks for the memories, we hope to hear from you again.
[QUOTE=Giani; 1081935]What have we valued from your posts? It depends on the point on the time line:
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In friendship, Giani[/QUOTE]All of us should strive to the standard of Bill Fanta.
WSW Amber in the Too Hot Zone
Rolled for quite a while tonight ping ponging between the Too Hot Zone and LPH. Saw Stephanie in her usual location in OTR but she has been a regular stop for me and I was up for something different. Otherwise not much to be seen but a couple of skanks so took a break at Richies.
A little off topic, but Richies on Linn St is a decent dinner stop for those that roll this area but have not tried it. I am a fan of their spicy chicken and the potato wedges are awesome too. The gauntlet of people you sometimes have to wade through getting from the car to the door might be intimidating for some, but they also have a drive thru. It was pretty dead tonight though with only one other customer waiting inside with me.
Refreshed I head back to the streets. Missed her once earlier, but when I rolled through the hot zone again about 30 minutes later I met Amber. Found her between Riddle and Straight, but says she usually can be found in the hottest part of the zone. She was by far the best I saw tonight. Dark hair, very clean, nice skin, cute face, fresh make-up, nicely dressed in jeans and a top that exposed a little cleavage along with a spider web tat, and a zippered hoodie over that. She wasn't really overweight, but had some meat on her bones. If she had any addictions there were no signs of it because she basically looked like the girl next door.
BBBJ service was decent, but have to warn you that during our negotiations found out she is a no CIM girl. I was okay this because it was late and I was otherwise pleased with my find. Service was not rushed, but once she sensed that I was getting close she paused and said "now remember to tell me when you're ready" and that fuckin jinxed it for me from there! Couldn't get to my final destination because I was too damn focused trying to recognize early warning signs so that I could give notice. Eventially asked her to use HJ to finish to avoid any possible issues.
She was talkative on the return trip and a wrong turn on my part left us with additional conversation time. She was very laid back and seemed really sincere telling me the story of getting up the guts to leave a bad situation that she had been in. I at least fell for it and sent her with an additional.05 on the drop. Asked if she had digits so that I could help her in the future, but she does not. I would repeat to try FS based on her overall attitude, looks and cleanliness, but otherwise the no CIM makes her a pass if only looking for the quick car date.
Bill Fanta[-stique]: thanks for the memories, we hope to hear from you again.
Bill,
Thank you for everything you have offered here. I am not a purveyor of the SW trade and have not always read this thread. However, much of the reason that I started to read the SW Reports thread was your reports. I have enjoyed them greatly. I don't think I can put it any better than Giani, so I will just again say "THANK YOU"
Good luck, Be safe, Be well. Please come back and join us sometimes.
JR.
[QUOTE=Giani; 1081935]What we have valued from your posts depends on the point on the time line:
1) Your early posts were so unexpectedly innocent, so honest, so "just what we remember from when we first mongered" Most of us would have been unwilling to acknowledge OUR newbie missteps. I remember that the subject line of one of my first responses to a confessional post of yours in which you described your less than satisfactory recent exploit was "Bill, Bill, Bill. "
2) Your honesty in painting the scenarios of your rides. Your (often naive) role in the drama was engaging and positive. This even in the face of occasional abuse by more experienced street-wise SWs you did not let it bring you down.
3) Your unstinting valuation of the human in the individual, even in the most jaded SW, and, even when in doubt, treating them as valued persons in our society who have had more than their share of harsh and abusive experiences. I know that even the SWs who took advantage of you are grateful that YOU were not an abuser.
4) Of late, your eloquence and deep thoughtful probing of your experiences on the street, and teaching, not only the newbies about the pitfalls, but us jaded veterans about the twists and turns of the 'hobby. " Not to mention how entertaining your descriptive prose is to us all. You have justifiably received many positive reviews of your recent posts.
5) Never were you abusive to other posters, even when they were hostile to you. You, the Budda of the board.
I understand the many factors in 'standing down. ' I suspect you will still take a look at the board periodically, and will be grateful for any pearls you might cast in our direction.
In friendship, Giani[/QUOTE]
I know I never post here but.
I know I am opening myself up for a little fun ridicule here but go ahead because I can take it.
I was in Covington the other night and was at the red light on the side street next to the Walgreen's on Madison Ave. Cute blonde white girl in shorts and a grey hoodie crosses the street in front of me and looks in the front window. I nod at her to acknowledge that I noticed her and she gives me THE LOOK and nods her head yes. I now know what the look is and it does trigger something in the brain and other areas LOL!
Now I am freaked out LOL. I am trying to remember the rules of mongering from this thread and I look in my side view mirror and she looks back at me twice and gives me the aren't you going to come scoop me look. Now I feel like an idiot because here I am with an easy first time pick up and I am too nervous to even remember the rules, the checks etc etc. I look in the mirror once more and she just shakes her head and walks on.
I thought about circling for the scoop but was too nervous and too uninformed on the rules to chance it. I was really kicking myself when I turned into the Walgreens parking lot and went in to make my purchase. Then I got a good dose of reality when I came back out and there was an occupied police cruiser parked right next to my car. I quit kicking my self and almost s*t myself thinking about the, what could have been. LOL!
I have said this before and I will say it again, I take my hat off to you guys. You have got BIG KAHUNA'S to do this on a regular basis and you have my utmost respect.
I am 99% sure she was legit, she was cute but not the TGTBT cute if you know what I mean and she was in transit. She wasn't just hanging on the street corner. I think she might have been a part timer or maybe a regular that wasn't hanging around due to the police presence.
I do see now why you do it though. It was an extreme adrenalin rush for sure and I didn't even come close to doing anything. I can imagine the rush at the time you go in to make the scoop and you roll that window down. Unreal, you guys are dare devils for sure.
Maybe one day I will prepare myself for this situation but I am glad I passed.
Good Luck and be Safe,
KG.
