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[QUOTE=RayRaynor;5375484]Small saggy pearced tits is just not attractive to me.[/QUOTE]Yeah my main point was two fold,1 the manager Henry's was cool about it I understand his situation. Two, I don't know what in the f* was wrong with this crazy b* I didn't even talk about price all I mentioned was that her f* glasses looked cute in the ad. And yeah for 700 I would expect a full evening of stretching and filling every hole she has with jizz.
[QUOTE=DooDong;5376551]Lisa Lisa will only do normal dances, not worth your time if your looking for something else.[/QUOTE]I don't know if that's true. I was an eye witness to a pretty tipsy (or drugged up) LisaLisa dropping a used condom after a "dance" upstairs and the DJ having to pick it up real quick with a napkin.
[QUOTE=DeadDead22;5377054]I don't know if that's true. I was an eye witness to a pretty tipsy (or drugged up) LisaLisa dropping a used condom after a "dance" upstairs and the DJ having to pick it up real quick with a napkin.[/QUOTE]Dang, guess YMMV. She told me no extras when I spoke with her.
[QUOTE=JetSpray;5376792]Yeah my main point was two fold,1 the manager Henry's was cool about it I understand his situation. Two, I don't know what in the f* was wrong with this crazy b* I didn't even talk about price all I mentioned was that her f* glasses looked cute in the ad. And yeah for 700 I would expect a full evening of stretching and filling every hole she has with jizz.[/QUOTE]So I go. Back for a drink and because I honestly was a little pissed that this shit stain thinks she can run me out of a place I have been going for 30 years. Anyway, she rolls up on me and starts giving me shit. I ask her to get the fu k away. I want nothing to do with her. And she says"pay me a tip or "I am going to fuck with you every time to come here. You don't respect women, you just this we are here you suck your white dicks" . Again please leave me alone, waitress, please get this **** away from me. She sits next to me and stares at me. Finally I get up and leave. Say way from this one guys. She 8's going to make trouble for the bar.
Bogarts was my first stop and an absolute wash, I think I'm just going to quit stopping there at this point, I haven't had a pleasant experience in a long time there.
Spent the rest of my night at Cricket, lots of talent around for the night surprisingly, not many of my taste but not bad either. There was a cute little spinner Sabrina I never got to see, and ended up spending some time with Britney, and had a good time (though I definitely overspent thanks to thinking with the other head). She was a lot of fun though, no rush, no complaints, left happy.
Talk to the management tell them you've been coming in there for years and have spent thousands in their bar. Point out the girl and tell them she is harassing you and won't leave you alone. If you truly have been going there for years the staff will know you. I used to go to one bar where as soon as I'd walk in the door the bartender had my drink ready for me before I could even get to the bar. I'd sit and talk with the manager on many occasions. No one in that bar ever farked with me.
[QUOTE=JetSpray;5377482]So I go. Back for a drink and because I honestly was a little pissed that this shit stain thinks she can run me out of a place I have been going for 30 years. Anyway, she rolls up on me and starts giving me shit. I ask her to get the fu k away. I want nothing to do with her. And she says"pay me a tip or "I am going to fuck with you every time to come here. You don't respect women, you just this we are here you suck your white dicks" . Again please leave me alone, waitress, please get this **** away from me. She sits next to me and stares at me. Finally I get up and leave. Say way from this one guys. She 8's going to make trouble for the bar.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=JetSpray;5377482]So I go. Back for a drink and because I honestly was a little pissed that this shit stain thinks she can run me out of a place I have been going for 30 years. Anyway, she rolls up on me and starts giving me shit. I ask her to get the fu k away. I want nothing to do with her. And she says"pay me a tip or "I am going to fuck with you every time to come here. You don't respect women, you just this we are here you suck your white dicks" . Again please leave me alone, waitress, please get this **** away from me. She sits next to me and stares at me. Finally I get up and leave. Say way from this one guys. She 8's going to make trouble for the bar.[/QUOTE]Wow! That's fucked up. I'm kind of surprised that the waitress didn't bring a bouncer back over to the table for you. Without question, someone from the club will read this and if they do the right thing, they won't let her work there or in any of the other Hamilton establishments again, as well as reaching out to you. A customer of 30 years is a rough thing to lose over a crazy ***** with an attitude.
Had 2 recent incidents of demanding payment before dances / services. BT's, blonde stage name "Sensation," soon as we got into the booth she says she needs cash first. I said nope, I don't do that, do we continue or no? Answer was no. Gave her a 20 and went back to the bar. Couple other notes about BT's, only one other girl even approached me, "Summer," petite brunette, but she had GPS (300) so I politely declined. Other thing I noticed is for a solid hour, 4 girls sat in a booth by themselves drinking, talking, laughing, pointing at phones. Really? I don't get that. Are they there to make money or they don't care?
On to H8, slim pickings, went with "Cat", brunette, late 20's, a little chunky. , cute face Once again, got the I need the cash up front. Another 20 for her to go away. She actually said "they (management) make us do this now. " Anyone else see an uptick in this or was I just unlucky?
[QUOTE=HoldenCaul;5378459]Had 2 recent incidents of demanding payment before dances / services. BT's, blonde stage name "Sensation," soon as we got into the booth she says she needs cash first. I said nope, I don't do that, do we continue or no? Answer was no. Gave her a 20 and went back to the bar. Couple other notes about BT's, only one other girl even approached me, "Summer," petite brunette, but she had GPS (300) so I politely declined. Other thing I noticed is for a solid hour, 4 girls sat in a booth by themselves drinking, talking, laughing, pointing at phones. Really? I don't get that. Are they there to make money or they don't care?
On to H8, slim pickings, went with "Cat", brunette, late 20's, a little chunky. , cute face Once again, got the I need the cash up front. Another 20 for her to go away. She actually said "they (management) make us do this now. " Anyone else see an uptick in this or was I just unlucky?[/QUOTE]I was at H8 on Monday for day shift and did not have to prepay. I went a couple other times in the last few months and also did not have to prepay. There was only 1 occasion where the girl asked for prepay and I declined as that never turns out good in my experience.
[QUOTE=HoldenCaul;5378459]Had 2 recent incidents of demanding payment before dances / services. BT's, blonde stage name "Sensation," soon as we got into the booth she says she needs cash first. I said nope, I don't do that, do we continue or no? Answer was no. Gave her a 20 and went back to the bar. Couple other notes about BT's, only one other girl even approached me, "Summer," petite brunette, but she had GPS (300) so I politely declined. Other thing I noticed is for a solid hour, 4 girls sat in a booth by themselves drinking, talking, laughing, pointing at phones. Really? I don't get that. Are they there to make money or they don't care?
On to H8, slim pickings, went with "Cat", brunette, late 20's, a little chunky. , cute face Once again, got the I need the cash up front. Another 20 for her to go away. She actually said "they (management) make us do this now. " Anyone else see an uptick in this or was I just unlucky?[/QUOTE]Happened to me at Hanks on Friday by a blk woman that gave me a couple good dances with licking my ears and kissing my neck but wanted cash upfront for more so I went to sc and didn't pre pay.
[QUOTE=HoldenCaul;5378459]... soon as we got into the booth she says she needs cash first. I said nope, I don't do that, do we continue or no? Answer was no. Gave her a 20...[/QUOTE]I wouldn't have given her anything. I wouldn't ask for a refund for the wrist band. She'll be screaming, I'd just stay calm and say I didn't get a dance because she wouldn't give me one without prepayment. Do you want me to leave? She's likely happy to get $20 for nothing. They won't call the cops. The worse that will happen is they ask you to leave. After this happens with a few guys they'll tell the girl to stop causing problems.
[QUOTE=GuyDetroit;5378555]Happened to me at Hanks on Friday by a blk woman that gave me a couple good dances with licking my ears and kissing my neck but wanted cash upfront for more so I went to sc and didn't pre pay.[/QUOTE]When I chat with someone, I typically work out x for why dollars with no song count before going back to avoid misunderstandings. I might add "I have the money (might show it before going back so she knows I have it) but I'm not handing it over until we're done. " If she declines, I move on and save a wasted VIP trip. I get their concerns over maybe getting cheated but hopefully seeing I have it will put them at ease.
[QUOTE=Pussylicker2;5378916]I wouldn't have given her anything. I wouldn't ask for a refund for the wrist band. She'll be screaming, I'd just stay calm and say I didn't get a dance because she wouldn't give me one without prepayment. Do you want me to leave? She's likely happy to get $20 for nothing. They won't call the cops. The worse that will happen is they ask you to leave. After this happens with a few guys they'll tell the girl to stop causing problems.[/QUOTE]Guys,
I agree with PL, you shouldn't pay her anything for walking out during the first song. Especially right at the beginning. She is happy to get your $20 for nothing. You are paying her for dances, and she didn't do the dance because she insisted on payment up front. I believe making a small payment like this encourages the girls to ask for payment up front more often.
I like to size up the girl, if she is an experienced peeler then she knows what she is doing and she is trying to hustle you. Count yourself lucky as you just dodged a bad session and can save your money for a more deserving girl.
If she is a newbie. Then I ask her if the other girls told her to ask for the money up front and explain those girls tell the new girls to do that, hoping the guy walks out of the VIP and then the other girls will take that customer to the VIP. I often say you are prettier than most girls in here I wouldn't be surprised if they are giving you bad advice. They don't want you dancing for any guys in here.
I have run into periods of time where girls demand money up front and when they don't. Sometime getting three or four girls in a row doing this. You can add to your negotiation that payment is at the end and if you are fully satisfied you will include a tip. This won't necessarily stop a girl from trying to hustle you but it will cut down on it. I have had girls negotiate with me in the main room about payment up front and then not gone back with them and even saved paying the VIP fee.
As for high prices. I never begrudge a girl asking for a high price. We all know there are guys out there that pay them. So if a guy will pay $300 or $400 or $500 if I was the dancer why not take that. I find telling the girl I normally pay $150 she will either agree to it or propose a counter offer. If you don't want to do that you can always say you are really beautiful and I am sure you are worth $300, but I am sorry I can't pay that much and I don't want to insult you with a counter offer. She will most likely drop her price or she will say it is ok to make a counter offer, let me know what you can pay.
Lastly there are whole range of girls in the clubs. Some girls will go with any guy. Some will reject almost every guy. But some girls will offer different prices to different guys. I know you are in a strip club where the incentive is for the girls to take you to the VIP. But many girls are happy to sit and get drunk all night. They may have made their money already or they have a regular that is coming in to drop enough money on them that they don't need to go with other guys. Talk to the girl, get to know her, get her to like you and your prices will vary. Also if she thinks you may become a regular then her prices will change. So she may offer some guy she doesn't know and doesn't recognize $500 to go to the VIP. For a guy she recognizes and likes she may drop her price to $200 or $150. Many of these girls until they harden up would prefer to take less money from a guy they like than more money from a guy they don't like. And the hottest girls frequently have more guys chasing them than they can see in a night so they can be selective.
After a challenging night or nights like you had, I find often comes a series of really good or great nights as long as I keep trying.
MM.
[QUOTE=HoldenCaul;5376397]which day did you see her there?[/QUOTE]I saw here on a Saturday.
I know this has been discussed before but I'm wondering if anything has changed since the restrictions lifted.
Are the east side clubs (8 mile) still no good for extras? I read that the VIP areas didn't have curtains anymore and is wide open for everyone to see what's going on.
I've always had good luck at those clubs before the lockdown. Just want to know if things are back to normal or should I not waste my time.