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[QUOTE=HillbillyBob;5259309]A white man accused of killing eight people, most of whom were of Asian descent, at massage parlors in the Atlanta area told police the attack was not racially motivated and that he potentially had a "sex addiction," officials said Wednesday.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BengalMan;5261176]Bob if you believe that story I got some good Everglades land to sell you in your favorite state of Florida. Perfect for a winter cottage![/QUOTE]A quick as everybody wants to jump to the conclusion that race or white supremacy was why this happened, it doesn't add up from what I've read. Usually those nuts proclaim why they did it to try to inspire others to do the same. This just sounds like a sexually frustrated kid screwed up by religion.

A law enforcement source said the suspect was recently kicked out of the house by his family due to his sexual addiction, which, the source said, included frequently spending hours on end watching pornography online. According to an incident report from the Cherokee County Sheriff's Office, a 911 caller said the suspect could possibly be his son and "does have a tracker on his phone. " Another anonymous caller to 911 told dispatch the suspect was "kicked out of his parents' house last night," adding that he "was emotional," the incident report says. Tyler Bayless said he shared a housing unit with Long at Maverick Recovery, a rehab facility in Roswell, Georgia, between August 2019 and January or February 2020. He said that most residents were suffering from drug or alcohol addiction, but Long was being treated for sex addiction. "It was something that absolutely would torture him," Bayless said. He said Long was a "deeply religious person -- he would often go on tangents about his interpretation of the Bible," and was distraught about his addiction to sex. Bayless said that on multiple occasions during his stay at the facility, Long told him that he had "relapsed" and "gone to massage parlors explicitly to engage in sex acts. ".

[URL]https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/17/us/robert-aaron-long-suspected-shooter/index.html[/URL]

Pearish if you believe that story I got some good Everglades land to sell you in your favorite state of Florida. Perfect for a winter cottage!

[QUOTE=BengalMan;5261330]Pearish if you believe that story I got some good Everglades land to sell you in your favorite state of Florida. Perfect for a winter cottage![/QUOTE]Laughter is a great way to cope with a world you don't understand, hang on to that. Not so good for winning an argument or persuading people.

[QUOTE=PearishBA;5261339]Laughter is a great way to cope with a world you don't understand, hang on to that. Not so good for winning an argument or persuading people.[/QUOTE]In winning an argument or persuading people. Interested in selling real estate.

[QUOTE=BengalMan;5261176]Bob if you believe that story I got some good Everglades land to sell you in your favorite state of Florida. Perfect for a winter cottage![/QUOTE]It's complicated.

I can understand HOW someone who patronizes AMPs might have negative feelings about it. I have had such feelings, and, over the course of my life, I have sometimes pursued our hobby and sometimes stayed away from it.

I can understand THAT a person with such negative feelings might project them onto the workers in the AMPs. That is pretty basic psychology. (I don't do that. I own my own actions and my feelings about them, and I certainly don't shoot people because of my negative feelings.).

Was Long angry at women, at sex workers, or at Asians? Maybe it was a combination of all three.

I agree with Pearish on this one. Not a hate crime.

While the incident in Atlanta is indeed tragic, and no doubt can instill fear into Asian Americans, this does not wreak of ethnic hatred. I have friends in Georgia who are close to this. Law enforcement, and including the criminal himself, have stated repeatedly this was an act of aggression to fight his sex addiction (that doesn't make it right, that's simply the testimony). Several "poor" media outlets are rushing to judgment by falsely portraying this as an Asian hate crime, which frankly only stirs up more hate (by the way, not everyone who died in this was Asian. And not everyone who died was Chinese. 4 were Korean women, sadly). Those who are trying to falsely portray this as otherwise are just politicizing this for their own agenda (it's obvious, way too obvious, and too much to get into here).

It doesn't matter what color or ethnic origin you are. We all matter. And sadly, 8 lives were taken for a senseless reason. My humble advice: Don't drink the "kool aid" from the media who has their own agenda, and don't get sucked into the politicizing of this. Just mourn for these people, and take time out to visit your local or favorite AMP (s) , bring them a gift, tip them extra, or whatever, and let them you know you're one of the good guys. Hope that helps. - Good Will Hunting.

[QUOTE=PearishBA;5261339]Laughter is a great way to cope with a world you don't understand, hang on to that. Not so good for winning an argument or persuading people.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GoodWill123;5262817]I agree with Pearish on this one. Not a hate crime.

While the incident in Atlanta is indeed tragic, and no doubt can instill fear into Asian Americans, this does not wreak of ethnic hatred. I have friends in Georgia who are close to this. Law enforcement, and including the criminal himself, have stated repeatedly this was an act of aggression to fight his sex addiction (that doesn't make it right, that's simply the testimony). Several "poor" media outlets are rushing to judgment by falsely portraying this as an Asian hate crime, which frankly only stirs up more hate (by the way, not everyone who died in this was Asian. And not everyone who died was Chinese. 4 were Korean women, sadly). Those who are trying to falsely portray this as otherwise are just politicizing this for their own agenda (it's obvious, way too obvious, and too much to get into here).

It doesn't matter what color or ethnic origin you are. We all matter. And sadly, 8 lives were taken for a senseless reason. My humble advice: Don't drink the "kool aid" from the media who has their own agenda, and don't get sucked into the politicizing of this. Just mourn for these people, and take time out to visit your local or favorite AMP (s) , bring them a gift, tip them extra, or whatever, and let them you know you're one of the good guys. Hope that helps. - Good Will Hunting.[/QUOTE]It has to be a hate crime the Medi says so. Don't matter about the fact just keep it going.

Last week multiple police agencies in the Columbus area carried out prostitution stings. (See article.) This is part of a statewide crackdown, and will likely make its way to Cincinnati.

The official party line now is that "all sex work is human trafficking". We all know that this is nonsense. But this is the climate that we're in. LE has been under fire over the past year. The combating of "human trafficking" is an issue that seems to have wide support in the media, and on both sides of the political spectrum. It's a win-win for LE agencies. No one is going to attack them for "putting an end to human trafficking".

These busts are *always* carried out by luring guys to hotels. Stings like this are easy for the police to set up in hotels.

Even if there isn't a bust, hotel in-calls attract a lot of attention. If you read the article from the Dispatch, you'll see that the hotel actually cooperated with LE. No hotel owner wants his establishment to be known for the "hobby", and most will cooperate with LE if they decide to set up a sting.

Personally, I *never* patronize hotel in-calls. Period. I don't care if we're talking about a high-end girl on Eros, or one of the ladies on the crawler sites.

I just say no.

I started hobbying in the 1990's, in the pre-Internet days. Back then, everything was outcall.

Outcall stings are much more difficult for LE to set up.

[URL]https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/crime/2021/04/16/ohio-attorney-general-columbus-suburban-police-tackle-human-trafficking-prostitution/7203508002/[/URL]

[QUOTE=ToddCincy;5308943]Last week multiple police agencies in the Columbus area carried out prostitution stings. (See article.) This is part of a statewide crackdown, and will likely make its way to Cincinnati.

The official party line now is that "all sex work is human trafficking". We all know that this is nonsense. But this is the climate that we're in. LE has been under fire over the past year. The combating of "human trafficking" is an issue that seems to have wide support in the media, and on both sides of the political spectrum. It's a win-win for LE agencies. No one is going to attack them for "putting an end to human trafficking".

These busts are *always* carried out by luring guys to hotels. Stings like this are easy for the police to set up in hotels.

Even if there isn't a bust, hotel in-calls attract a lot of attention. If you read the article from the Dispatch, you'll see that the hotel actually cooperated with LE. No hotel owner wants his establishment to be known for the "hobby", and most will cooperate with LE if they decide to set up a sting.

Personally, I *never* patronize hotel in-calls. Period. I don't care if we're talking about a high-end girl on Eros, or one of the ladies on the crawler sites.

I just say no.

I started hobbying in the 1990's, in the pre-Internet days. Back then, everything was outcall.

Outcall stings are much more difficult for LE to set up.

[URL]https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/crime/2021/04/16/ohio-attorney-general-columbus-suburban-police-tackle-human-trafficking-prostitution/7203508002/[/URL][/QUOTE]The chick reporter writing the article said GFE is cuddling snuggling and kissing. It's got me feeling even more sorry for the Johns. Damn these harpies charging for that! LOL.

Maybe the solution is tax payer funded squads of elite female officers that perform snuggling duties? LOL.

[QUOTE=ToddCincy;5308943]Last week multiple police agencies in the Columbus area carried out prostitution stings. (See article.) This is part of a statewide crackdown, and will likely make its way to Cincinnati.

The official party line now is that "all sex work is human trafficking". We all know that this is nonsense. But this is the climate that we're in. LE has been under fire over the past year. The combating of "human trafficking" is an issue that seems to have wide support in the media, and on both sides of the political spectrum. It's a win-win for LE agencies. No one is going to attack them for "putting an end to human trafficking".

These busts are *always* carried out by luring guys to hotels. Stings like this are easy for the police to set up in hotels.

Even if there isn't a bust, hotel in-calls attract a lot of attention. If you read the article from the Dispatch, you'll see that the hotel actually cooperated with LE. No hotel owner wants his establishment to be known for the "hobby", and most will cooperate with LE if they decide to set up a sting.

Personally, I *never* patronize hotel in-calls. Period. I don't care if we're talking about a high-end girl on Eros, or one of the ladies on the crawler sites.

I just say no.

I started hobbying in the 1990's, in the pre-Internet days. Back then, everything was outcall.

Outcall stings are much more difficult for LE to set up.

[URL]https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/crime/2021/04/16/ohio-attorney-general-columbus-suburban-police-tackle-human-trafficking-prostitution/7203508002/[/URL][/QUOTE]So, how does setting up a hotel sting with nothing but LE "identify victims of human trafficking and get them connected to services?" And when they do arrest the providers, usually during AMP busts, and claim they're "victims of human trafficking," why is it the only ones that ultimately get charged are the providers themselves? If they're victims, shouldn't they be immediately set free? The BS is thick in these parts.

[QUOTE=ToddCincy;5308943]Last week multiple police agencies in the Columbus area carried out prostitution stings. (See article.) This is part of a statewide crackdown, and will likely make its way to Cincinnati.

The official party line now is that "all sex work is human trafficking". We all know that this is nonsense. But this is the climate that we're in. LE has been under fire over the past year. The combating of "human trafficking" is an issue that seems to have wide support in the media, and on both sides of the political spectrum. It's a win-win for LE agencies. No one is going to attack them for "putting an end to human trafficking".

These busts are *always* carried out by luring guys to hotels. Stings like this are easy for the police to set up in hotels.

Even if there isn't a bust, hotel in-calls attract a lot of attention. If you read the article from the Dispatch, you'll see that the hotel actually cooperated with LE. No hotel owner wants his establishment to be known for the "hobby", and most will cooperate with LE if they decide to set up a sting.

Personally, I *never* patronize hotel in-calls. Period. I don't care if we're talking about a high-end girl on Eros, or one of the ladies on the crawler sites.

I just say no.

I started hobbying in the 1990's, in the pre-Internet days. Back then, everything was outcall.

Outcall stings are much more difficult for LE to set up.

[URL]https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/crime/2021/04/16/ohio-attorney-general-columbus-suburban-police-tackle-human-trafficking-prostitution/7203508002/[/URL][/QUOTE]It's actually not always hotels. Sometimes the county or whichever jurisdiction will own a property and use it. See the discussion in the cbus forum.

[QUOTE=LecherousMonk;5309599]It's actually not always hotels. Sometimes the county or whichever jurisdiction will own a property and use it. See the discussion in the cbus forum.[/QUOTE]This is the sting that they used the residential location [URL]https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/local/human-trafficking/17-arrested-by-summit-county-sheriff-in-cash-for-sex-sting-human-trafficking/95-ed598f4d-ace8-45c0-87aa-1ac3c0bde081[/URL] here is the property they used, shortly up for sale after their operation was done [URL]https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1263-Lexington-Ave-Akron-OH-44310/35479661_zpid/.[/URL] all easily found by looking up the offender's names on case search. And the ones who fell for it could have easily looked up on the auditors site and saw that the home was owned by the county at the time. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOSR7K7nfHo[/URL] here is a link from 2015 for a sting in Dayton. Definitely looks like a house to me. Which means theyve been doing that for quite some time now. Be safe brothers in Cincy.

Chunks.

[QUOTE=Chunks92;5309769]This is the sting that they used the residential location [URL]https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/local/human-trafficking/17-arrested-by-summit-county-sheriff-in-cash-for-sex-sting-human-trafficking/95-ed598f4d-ace8-45c0-87aa-1ac3c0bde081[/URL] here is the property they used, shortly up for sale after their operation was done [URL]https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1263-Lexington-Ave-Akron-OH-44310/35479661_zpid/.[/URL] all easily found by looking up the offender's names on case search. And the ones who fell for it could have easily looked up on the auditors site and saw that the home was owned by the county at the time. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOSR7K7nfHo[/URL] here is a link from 2015 for a sting in Dayton. Definitely looks like a house to me. Which means theyve been doing that for quite some time now. Be safe brothers in Cincy.

Chunks.[/QUOTE]Let me rephrase: The problem is incall with unknown providers, *especially* hotels, but not *only* hotels.

The common element is: hobbyists going to the provider's location.

I'm also wary of AMPs for this reason. Even if the AMPs aren't working with LE, it is pretty hard to get out once a raid starts.

If your circumstances allow it, outcall would seem to be safer as far as avoiding stings. I have never heard of a sting like this involving sending undercover LE to private residences. LE *always* wants the hobbyists to come to them, where they can set up hidden cameras and have backup in the next room.

From an LE perspective, setting up a sting like this with an outcall operating model would be *much* more difficult.

I understand that for married hobbyists, outcall may not be practical. And even if you live by yourself, inviting a provider into your home involves risk. But IMO, the safest way to hobby is: outcall to your residence with a known (reviewed) provider.

They also seem to be targeting neighborhoods where there is a history of SW and no-tell motel activity. In Cincinnati, that would be Price Hill, Clifton, Newport, Covington, etc. I'd be extra careful in those neighborhoods.

Again, the way it used to work (in the pre-Internet days) was: outcall only, to a private residence. In some cases, you even had to show a utility bill with your name on it, along with a photo ID. Otherwise, the girl would simply leave. In any case, they would check the phone book.

This was circa 1995, when agencies were the norm.

Yes, I know that was a long time ago. I'm not saying turn back the clock. I *am* saying that the current operating mode of going to incall locations using unvetted ads from the Internet makes it very easy for LE to set up stings like this. It used to be much more difficult for them. And since "human trafficking" does seem to be the issue of the day again, we need to be extra careful.

Stay safe, everyone.

[QUOTE=ToddCincy;5309809]Let me rephrase: The problem is incall with unknown providers, *especially* hotels, but not *only* hotels.

The common element is: hobbyists going to the provider's location.

I'm also wary of AMPs for this reason. Even if the AMPs aren't working with LE, it is pretty hard to get out once a raid starts.

If your circumstances allow it, outcall would seem to be safer as far as avoiding stings. I have never heard of a sting like this involving sending undercover LE to private residences. LE *always* wants the hobbyists to come to them, where they can set up hidden cameras and have backup in the next room.

From an LE perspective, setting up a sting like this with an outcall operating model would be *much* more difficult.

I understand that for married hobbyists, outcall may not be practical. And even if you live by yourself, inviting a provider into your home involves risk. But IMO, the safest way to hobby is: outcall to your residence with a known (reviewed) provider.

They also seem to be targeting neighborhoods where there is a history of SW and no-tell motel activity. In Cincinnati, that would be Price Hill, Clifton, Newport, Covington, etc. I'd be extra careful in those neighborhoods.

Again, the way it used to work (in the pre-Internet days) was: outcall only, to a private residence. In some cases, you even had to show a utility bill with your name on it, along with a photo ID. Otherwise, the girl would simply leave. In any case, they would check the phone book.

This was circa 1995, when agencies were the norm.

Yes, I know that was a long time ago. I'm not saying turn back the clock. I *am* saying that the current operating mode of going to incall locations using unvetted ads from the Internet makes it very easy for LE to set up stings like this. It used to be much more difficult for them. And since "human trafficking" does seem to be the issue of the day again, we need to be extra careful.

Stay safe, everyone.[/QUOTE]Curiosity, what's your guys opinions of meeting them at a neutral location such as a bar? Something tells me that they wouldn't even entertain the offer. It takes like 40 people to run one of their sting ops. I also have never nor would ever go to an AMP. just no. and also i used to do the outcall thing myself, which worked out well until i had someone i knew show up at my house uninvited one day while my girlfriend at the time was there. not a fun day. Incall is more dangerous in the short term because of stings, but outcall can be more of a problem in the long term if the wrong people know where you live.

[QUOTE=Chunks92;5309769]This is the sting that they used the residential location [URL]https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/local/human-trafficking/17-arrested-by-summit-county-sheriff-in-cash-for-sex-sting-human-trafficking/95-ed598f4d-ace8-45c0-87aa-1ac3c0bde081[/URL] here is the property they used, shortly up for sale after their operation was done [URL]https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1263-Lexington-Ave-Akron-OH-44310/35479661_zpid/.[/URL] all easily found by looking up the offender's names on case search. And the ones who fell for it could have easily looked up on the auditors site and saw that the home was owned by the county at the time. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOSR7K7nfHo[/URL] here is a link from 2015 for a sting in Dayton. Definitely looks like a house to me. Which means theyve been doing that for quite some time now. Be safe brothers in Cincy.

Chunks.[/QUOTE]In an episode on POLICE WOMEN OF CINCINNATI back in 2011 they did use a house to set up their sting. It was empty and the excuse was he was remodeling it to be sold. They had a girl come to the house for out call. (It is one of our own on E. B.) I can't find it on line now. They went upstairs and she named prices and got busted. Then wanted to cooperated and sing. Guess she thought it was The Voice. LOL.

And remember just a few weeks back in NKY they were using an apartment complex. In one door out the other.

Stay Safe. MN.