Had a couple dances from ireland and taya? (beautiful girl with lots of tats and aftermarkets) and another skinny blond raver looking chick. No real mileage was had with any of them? Anyone else had luck. Sure wish I did!
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Had a couple dances from ireland and taya? (beautiful girl with lots of tats and aftermarkets) and another skinny blond raver looking chick. No real mileage was had with any of them? Anyone else had luck. Sure wish I did!
[QUOTE=Originalwook]Don't know about Ireland. I did some dances with her a while back and they were nothing special. She also uses a "lap rag" when she dances. She places a large scarf in your lap and then grinds on it. Granted, I did dance with her some time back so maybe she has changed her ways. At any rate, she promised a lot of fun and really did not deliver.[/QUOTE]
My dance with Ireland is awhile ago also, but I doubt very much that another one would be fun.
Mike, this whole discussion was initiated by my post on recruiting strippers for outcall. From that perspective, whatever they ACTUALLY make or what anyone THINKS they make, the fact that so many of them will come to see you outside the club to do things with you for a fraction of what one has to pay inside the club (if they're able to do those things at all inside the club) suggests that maybe that relatively small amount of money has much more meaning to them then you're allowing.
BTW, I never said your suggestion of bribing them with a twenty dollar bill to get their attention wouldn't work. OF COURSE IT WILL WORK. A $20 bill would get my attention too. All I was saying was that IMHO that was really gross overkill. Perhaps for some that is all that will get their attention, but if that is what it takes then those are probably the strippers you don't want to bother with because they'll probably be expecting similarly extravagant amounts for further services. The game for me is finding strippers who will play, without having to spend amounts greater than what I can get regular escorts of similar quality on BP or CL. Otherwise, what's the point?
BTW, if I lost a $5 bill, I might not lose any sleep over it but I'm not about to start lighting up cigars with them either and I don't think a $5 tip just for dancing on stage means nothing to a stripper either when most customers in these places give them only $1-2 if anything at all. And that is a FACT based on direct observation at many of these clubs. Sure you get the occasional show-off who will throw out a whole stack of singles, but they're the exception rather than the rule. And they don't necessarily get visited by the dancer after the dance either. IMHO, whatever accounts for the dancers not going around the room has to do with something more than just money.
Regarding whether their money comes from outside or inside the club is more than just semantics. It goes to the entire heart of the matter because this whole discussion is about what it takes to get them to agree to see you outside the club.
Look back on your original post and you'll see that you were saying the "bulk of all dancers will make about $1500 a week" (not "about $1,000 a week" as you've dropped it to now). You even broke that down by how much they took home per day, suggesting to me that you were talking about what they actually made in the club itself rather than what they made to supplement that on the side during their off hours and days. And you also said "that the [u]worst[/u] stripper... The girl who [u]doesn't even try, goes home[/u] with around $150" (not just "a couple hundred dollars a [u]week[/u]" as you're saying now). And by "goes home" I logically assumed you meant that was what they made (on average) each day IN the club. If the worst ones make that much just doing a few dances and mostly just sitting around letting guys ogle them and stick bills in their garters (or perhaps a bit more during the occasional quickie in the back room), why would they make any effort to go and actually fuck a guy for a couple of hours for less than that (assuming we'd even want those ones to)? And if the worst ones don't have the motivation to do that, why would one of the better dancers, who allegedly is averaging over $500 a night INSIDE the club just letting guys ogle them and cop the occasional feel (or maybe give BJ's for $300/hr in the back rooms), do 2 hour fuck and suck sessions with guys OUTSIDE the club for half that amount? The logical answer is they wouldn't and yet many do, which I know for a FACT.
OTOH, if a good portion of the money these gals make money actually comes from letting guys stick their dicks in them outside the club (as you seem to be suggesting now), then isn't that exactly what we all want and what I've been talking about. And that is exactly what I've found for many of them. Sure, their outside money is an indirect result of the contacts they've made from dancing (the "advertising" of their "talents" on stage and in the back rooms inside the clubs) but it is still a seperate source of income. Moreover, if the whole idea is to use the club to cultivate those contacts, then shouldn't they still be working the audience for new customers, rather than spending all their time with their existing clients with whom they've already closed the sale and can already see any time they want outside the club?
One last clarification, I thought my "100's of thousands of dollars per year" comment was obvious hyperbole (even though going by your $500+ average per night figure for the top dancers does work out to exactly that on an annualized basis), but you left out the most important part of that sentence and what was really my main point. WHATEVER these gals make, be it just a couple of hundred a week for the WORST dancers, as you're saying now or an annual rate of over $250K for the top dancers, as you suggested earlier, NONE OF THAT REALLY MATTERS. If whatever they make gets wasted on drugs and loser boyfriends, as you were saying, or that most of them really don't make as much as you claim, as Pink and I have been saying, AND they wind up living in rundown homes, driving broken down cars and not even being able to pay their cellphone bill, as many of them seem to do, then many of THOSE dancers should be open to some reasonable offer by guys to augment their income and help them pay those bills by performing "special dances" for them outside the club. And that's all that this whole discussion really comes down to.
[QUOTE=Originalwook]Don't know about Ireland. I did some dances with her a while back and they were nothing special. She also uses a "lap rag" when she dances. She places a large scarf in your lap and then grinds on it. Granted, I did dance with her some time back so maybe she has changed her ways. At any rate, she promised a lot of fun and really did not deliver.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry to report I once wasted money on that dancer. Ireland is not a SELP (Skiper endorsed Local Provider)
Jayden is a SELP at that club. If small dark Latin is your thing, she's your girl.
Skip out.
PS. Lap rags suck!
[QUOTE=Skiper]I'm sorry to report I once wasted money on that dancer. Ireland is not a SELP (Skiper endorsed Local Provider)
Jayden is a SELP at that club. If small dark Latin is your thing, she's your girl.
Skip out.
PS. Lap rags suck![/QUOTE]
I whole heartedly agree. Ireland is terrible promises alot delivers nothing.
Jayden is hot little latin and is alot of fun
[QUOTE=Skiper]... not counting the one I dated before she started working at 2001. Stripper minds are hard to figure...[/QUOTE]You got that right. I have dated a few and right now. Think there needs to be a thread or a support group for guys who fall for stripper lol
[QUOTE=Mr Horney]The room fee and the "buy the girl a drink" bullshit fees are almost enough for me to stop going just on principle. We should all boycott YS until this BS changes.[/QUOTE]Visited the club recently. Really don't understand how, with a straight, the club can continue to scalp entry ($10-15) plus drinks ($5 for water/soda thatcosts them maybe a quarter, 6-7 for the red bulls and frappucino or whatever) plus the $10 for the room.
It's nice with the ratio, but c'mon, the club doesn't do anything for the room (RE isn't costing them that much). At least the buy the girl a drink is refusable.
The girls aren't really 9-10 material either.
Just wanted to add my 2 cents. Everyone is making good points about how much $ strippers make. I've met a few outside the club and seen the same things you guys said. These girls live in cheap apts, don't have cars, and often don't have enough money to pay their cell phone bill. I don't think anyone mentioned that they usually have kids, so a lot of their money goes to taking care of their kids.
But what I don't understand is how a lot of these average looking girls are making any money at all, considering they have to pay the club before they leave at night. I have been in these places many times for an hour or 2, and been approached by only 1 girl, or no girls at all. Sometimes it seems they aren't even trying to make money. Some clubs never seem busy at all, and very few guys are getting dances in the back. But you guys have offered some reasons for this already.
They are not working there because they have an MBA in Finance from Yale or Princeton. They are working there because they have no other skills or are lazy and a body which is good enough to get them hired as dancers. And while some of them may make decent money...may...they don't have the smarts to manage it, or are nothing better than trailer park trash and blow it on drugs or whatever. All that's required to be a stripper is a body good enough to get you hired. And depending on how any particular club is doing at any particular time, even the body doesn't have to be all that. So when you are dealing with strippers, if you think you can read them like a book and think the book is titled "Great Expectations", you're probably going to be disappointed. I was in Bottoms Up a week or so ago, and saw Kylie sitting with two guys, and she came back to their table after dancing and started playing with a very small baggie, and seemed greatly overjoyed with it, giving one of the guy's a high-five. Now, I wasn't close enough to see exactly what was in that very small baggie, but I would be willing to bet it wasn't M & M Peanuts. Draw your own conclusions, both about what was in the baggie and why they drive shitty cars and live in shitty cribs and have shitbag boyfriends.
And before you think I'm coming down on them too hard, we aren't any better. If we were all that, we wouldn't have to go to some club and pay girls to get naked and rub up on us. I'm not sure who is more pathetic..the dancers or the customers.
I don't expect anyone to agree with me, or even care one way or another. I just call'em like I see'em.
Hi everyone,
This is my first post found this a while ago been reading through often, been a monger in tampa 20+ years and what is said in post 1345 is so true most of us that been around know the deal but yet we keep going back for more so i guess alot of us are addicts in one form or another.
Despite watching... Well, I was going to say a number but I doubt you'd believe it. So, despite watching many dancers, over the last twenty years, count their daily take in front of me, you are right and I am wrong.
FWIW, I don't consider the low-rent, no customer clubs to count when I make my statements about stripper earnings. I'm talking about the ones that are successful and have girls that are appealing to people.
My comments about "shittiest strippers making $150 a night" meant the ones that continue to work as strippers. The ones that make less don't remain strippers for long.
But, apparently, all that cash I've watched and/or helped them count over the last twenty years was just some wild hallucination because you are correct, they don't make that much.
If you look over my strip club related posts, you will see a few clubs that get referrenced a lot. One more than the others. The one I mention the most is one I was, directly, involved with from the day it opened until the owner let family get in the way of good business sense. I went back a few years later and tried to revive it during it's last six months of life support but it had four years of damaged reputation that wasn't going to change.
In other words it became one of the clubs that had a handful of strippers and only enough customers to fit on the pinky finger nail of that hand. It was where the girls going home with nothing existed for a day or two each before they moved on.
Maybe I'm misreading you in that you seem to think the strippers that make no money are the norm. They are not. Well, at least in my crazy-ass mind that wouldn't really know what strippers make.
You also say that there are strippers who actually do take care of their kids and have a decent home life. Yeah. They aren't the norm. Know how many I've known like that over the last twenty years? Six. That's right. Six.
I've known far more that started that way but the lifestyle sucks them in if they aren't strong and most of them are far from strong. I spent two hours, just today, on the phone with a girl who I commended for being the most together stripper I'd ever worked with - back when I met her in November of last year. She's been on a two week booze and cocaine binge. Being out drinking and drugging from noon until six or seven in the morning every day for two weeks sure isn't taking care of the kid, like she used to be proud of doing after working her day shift.
Know how many I've seen fall that make it back to being "normal?" Zero. In twenty years. Zero. I'm hoping that the one who called me, today, crying over her two week binge and asking me to help her stop can bring that count to one.
On the average day I drive at least two strippers home. I've seen the inside of more stripper homes and observed their home lifes than, probably, the total number of providers all of us on the Tampa board have seen. It ain't pretty, to say the least.
But you are right, Chase. I don't have a clue about what I'm talking about.
Interesting read here guys. I do not have the time nor knowledge to frequent strip clubs like you guys do but I think most make way over $150 a night at the popular strip clubs.
Back in the late 80's I was playing in a band at a late night club up from Mon's. The girls would come in a dance and party and being in the band had it's perks! One dance I got friendly with had a sugar daddy that was VP of Trans America and he came in and partied with us. He bought his Mon's dancer a new car and also helped out the band with some PA gear. He also flew us to San Fran to play a corp. party.
Anyway, this Mon's girl I was hanging with was making in 1987 $150 on a very bad night. She was pulling in around $5k a month in 1987-88 when I knew her. So I would think that these girls are doing this and more a month.
thoughts, opinions?
[QUOTE=M Fever]Interesting read here guys. I do not have the time nor knowledge to frequent strip clubs like you guys do but I think most make way over $150 a night at the popular strip clubs.
Back in the late 80's I was playing in a band at a late night club up from Mon's. The girls would come in a dance and party and being in the band had it's perks! One dance I got friendly with had a sugar daddy that was VP of Trans America and he came in and partied with us. He bought his Mon's dancer a new car and also helped out the band with some PA gear. He also flew us to San Fran to play a corp. party.
Anyway, this Mon's girl I was hanging with was making in 1987 $150 on a very bad night. She was pulling in around $5k a month in 1987-88 when I knew her. So I would think that these girls are doing this and more a month.
thoughts, opinions?[/QUOTE]
I think you have to throw the Mons girls out of the equation as they tend to make a lot of money due to the sheer number of customers that come in that place each night and the high hustle factor.
[QUOTE=Originalwook]I think you have to throw the Mons girls out of the equation as they tend to make a lot of money due to the sheer number of customers that come in that place each night and the high hustle factor.[/QUOTE]
Yeah true....probably same for 2001 too.
[QUOTE=Mike Wazowski]Despite watching... Well, I was going to say a number but I doubt you'd believe it. So, despite watching many dancers, over the last twenty years, count their daily take in front of me, you are right and I am wrong.
FWIW, I don't consider the low-rent, no customer clubs to count when I make my statements about stripper earnings. I'm talking about the ones that are successful and have girls that are appealing to people.
My comments about "shittiest strippers making $150 a night" meant the ones that continue to work as strippers. The ones that make less don't remain strippers for long.
But, apparently, all that cash I've watched and/or helped them count over the last twenty years was just some wild hallucination because you are correct, they don't make that much.
If you look over my strip club related posts, you will see a few clubs that get referrenced a lot. One more than the others. The one I mention the most is one I was, directly, involved with from the day it opened until the owner let family get in the way of good business sense. I went back a few years later and tried to revive it during it's last six months of life support but it had four years of damaged reputation that wasn't going to change.
In other words it became one of the clubs that had a handful of strippers and only enough customers to fit on the pinky finger nail of that hand. It was where the girls going home with nothing existed for a day or two each before they moved on.
Maybe I'm misreading you in that you seem to think the strippers that make no money are the norm. They are not. Well, at least in my crazy-ass mind that wouldn't really know what strippers make.
You also say that there are strippers who actually do take care of their kids and have a decent home life. Yeah. They aren't the norm. Know how many I've known like that over the last twenty years? Six. That's right. Six.
I've known far more that started that way but the lifestyle sucks them in if they aren't strong and most of them are far from strong. I spent two hours, just today, on the phone with a girl who I commended for being the most together stripper I'd ever worked with - back when I met her in November of last year. She's been on a two week booze and cocaine binge. Being out drinking and drugging from noon until six or seven in the morning every day for two weeks sure isn't taking care of the kid, like she used to be proud of doing after working her day shift.
Know how many I've seen fall that make it back to being "normal?" Zero. In twenty years. Zero. I'm hoping that the one who called me, today, crying over her two week binge and asking me to help her stop can bring that count to one.
On the average day I drive at least two strippers home. I've seen the inside of more stripper homes and observed their home lifes than, probably, the total number of providers all of us on the Tampa board have seen. It ain't pretty, to say the least.
But you are right, Chase. I don't have a clue about what I'm talking about.[/QUOTE]
He's got 20+ years of strip club creds behind the scenes where most of us could only hope to go. Chase and others may see things differently, but you guys should remember - someone who visits your place of work 3-4 hours every couple of weeks is sure going to see things a lot differently than the guy who is on the job 40+ hours, week in and week out. That's Mike.
So Mike, after 20+ years of working in strip clubs and seeing naked women all day long have you developed a form of "hard-on immunity"? Inquiring minds want to know. :)