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Guys this ***** stank to high heaven and in no way is she around 140 pounds. She goes around 2 bills more than likely. If not 200 pounds she's closer to 200 than 140 anyway. Saw her the HJ off 28th street she pulled them panties off and I thought I was on Deadliest Catch for a minute. She starts bitching about the comments I was making about the smell because I always do the let me smell the goods before I pay. She demands payment and I say your crazy ***** and leave. 616-724-5231 is her number on BP. You've been warned guys.

[QUOTE=Packerbacker;1246401]Stay away from the 2nd chick. Dreamed of her recently and had a nightmare of a dream.[/QUOTE]What happened? I've been interested in seeing her.

[QUOTE=FineByMe72;1247371]What happened? I've been interested in seeing her.[/QUOTE]Show up at her incall off Eastern. 1st sign of bad things to come. She was on the cheap $.60 Saw her BF and her son making out the back door when I knock. Pimples all over her ass with yellow teeth. Room is hot as Hades with no AC. Got a tug and rub then I left out. Massage wasn't even worth the drive across town. Stay away guys I'm telling you now. I'm a seasoned Vet that don't always post but I know WTF I'm talking about here for sure. I kept saying well in your ad it said and she just smiled back at me. She got me because in our phone Convo she llead me onto to think the Nasty wet stuff was envolved. Not a chance of that shit happening.

Will concur. There was one good review on another site, very possible a self-review. Except for that one, every other ones have been very poor.ranging from grab & dash to lying about menu.

[QUOTE=John Wise; 1245587]Stay away from this bit-ch, service is the worst, C&D, clock watcher, lies about her menu, NC / NS no response etc.

She has a ton of bad reviews on the local boards and has changed her screen name like 4 times, Realspinner, Therealspinner (one or two more that I can't remember) and now Amy Kaden.

Not a bad looking girl except for her tits (looks like she had 4 kids) her BP pictures are air brushed.

I am a well known Monger in Detroit and have seen her in person, so please don't thing that I am some ex-BF out to get her (just warn my fellow Mongers)

[url]http://grandrapids.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/sexy-blonde-stunner-special-rate-22/6061586[/url][/QUOTE]

Saw this one a few weeks back. Very petite: 20 but looks 15 until she takes her clothes off. Has had kids and you can tell, but not really bad. Was really willing but I was generous (200 all said and done) , so take that into consideration. BBJCIM, some SM and happy to do FS, but I wasn't interested. Had a giant bruise on her shoulder and the hotel room looked like a bunch of carnival folk were living there. She talked ghetto and said some inappropriate things. Not professional at all, but I'd still see her again.

[url]http://grandrapids.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/sonyas-sunday-special-20/6398863[/url]

[QUOTE=Matthew65; 1257093]Saw this one a few weeks back. Very petite: 20 but looks 15 until she takes her clothes off. Has had kids and you can tell, but not really bad. Was really willing but I was generous (200 all said and done) , so take that into consideration. BBJCIM, some SM and happy to do FS, but I wasn't interested. Had a giant bruise on her shoulder and the hotel room looked like a bunch of carnival folk were living there. She talked ghetto and said some inappropriate things. Not professional at all, but I'd still see her again.

[url]http://grandrapids.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/sonyas-sunday-special-20/6398863[/url][/QUOTE]When a number of ladies were in KCJ, I pointed out several ladies on the site to a lady I see. She singled out Sonya for having stolen her cell phone and won't have anything to do with her. I wouldn't put it past her to steal from a customer.

[QUOTE=Matthew65; 1257093]Saw this one a few weeks back. Very petite: 20 but looks 15 until she takes her clothes off. Has had kids and you can tell, but not really bad. Was really willing but I was generous (200 all said and done) , so take that into consideration. BBJCIM, some SM and happy to do FS, but I wasn't interested. Had a giant bruise on her shoulder and the hotel room looked like a bunch of carnival folk were living there. She talked ghetto and said some inappropriate things. Not professional at all, but I'd still see her again.

[url]http://grandrapids.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/sonyas-sunday-special-20/6398863[/url][/QUOTE]Why would you give a chick 200 that advertises for 80? I keep telling you guys most of these BP girls are just SW's with internet access and you're description of her and her location confirms that. Waste your money how you like but your FN it up for everyone else and giving these self glorified SW's GPS

[QUOTE=TwatTeaser;1257564]Why would you give a chick 200 that advertises for 80? I keep telling you guys most of these BP girls are just SW's with internet access and you're description of her and her location confirms that. Waste your money how you like but your FN it up for everyone else and giving these self glorified SW's GPS[/QUOTE]

Matthew65,

Do you think that she'll give you her old rate when she's gotten 200? Not likely, unless she's desperate. Even then, SPs start equating their self-worth to their rate. They'll often force themselves into poverty before reducing the rate.

If you need a rate favor in the future, that girl will forget how you gave her extra cash. We're just ATMs to them and don't forget that fact.

[QUOTE=Grmojo; 1257815]Matthew65,

Do you think that she'll give you her old rate when she's gotten 200? Not likely, unless she's desperate. Even then, SPs start equating their self-worth to their rate. They'll often force themselves into poverty before reducing the rate.

If you need a rate favor in the future, that girl will forget how you gave her extra cash. We're just ATMs to them and don't forget that fact.[/QUOTE]Well, I'm not a regular shopper, so I'm coming from a different perspective I think. I had expected the advertised rate to just be a massage and then have to shell out for more. It's been a long time, but that had always been my experience with agencies and the like.

[QUOTE=Matthew65;1257938]Well, I'm not a regular shopper, so I'm coming from a different perspective I think. I had expected the advertised rate to just be a massage and then have to shell out for more. It's been a long time, but that had always been my experience with agencies and the like.[/QUOTE]If they try that I will leave. If it is incall they got to go. I won't give them a dime.

Vegas is infamous for trying that crap. I am in the habit of asking ladies I haven't been with,"what are your limitations; what won't you do?" I want to know before I sat any cash down. If they say no FS I leave. If they don't like riding, I leave. If they don't suck, I freaking leave.

They will usually change there mind before you hit the door. More time than none I still leave bcuz. That wil ruin the mood for me.

Perfect date for me is I lay agreed amount down or advertised price and then she gets naked and asks how I want to begin.

[QUOTE=Matthew65;1257938]Well, I'm not a regular shopper, so I'm coming from a different perspective I think. I had expected the advertised rate to just be a massage and then have to shell out for more. It's been a long time, but that had always been my experience with agencies and the like.[/QUOTE]Agencies are usually in the high end of the market. The over priced end. With the advent of the web, clients are in the driver's seat, if they place themselves there. The ladies are in a good position, if they provide stellar service. Something that is difficult to obtain from the ladies discussed on this board. There are ladies who are worth a bigger price tag, but they have plenty of good reviews.

I saw her.

[url]http://grandrapids.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/healing-hands-by-anna/6288815[/url]

A while back and was hoping for a lot more than I got. Has anyone had good luck with her? Googling her suggests she might have been fun at one time but not anymore. I felt like I just overpaid for a massage (a fairly decent one but still it was too much money). She collected the fee up front and upsold me on a "specialty massage" which included the groin but didn't include the part of my groin I would have liked. Her groin massage was pretty much what you'd get from a therapist except that I paid $20 extra for it.

My question: has anyone had good luck with her? She has the kind of body I like and she has the hippy-ish look that I go for as well.

[QUOTE=FineByMe72; 1258554]I saw her.

[url]http://grandrapids.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/healing-hands-by-anna/6288815[/url]

A while back and was hoping for a lot more than I got. Has anyone had good luck with her? Googling her suggests she might have been fun at one time but not anymore. I felt like I just overpaid for a massage (a fairly decent one but still it was too much money). She collected the fee up front and upsold me on a "specialty massage" which included the groin but didn't include the part of my groin I would have liked. Her groin massage was pretty much what you'd get from a therapist except that I paid $20 extra for it.

My question: has anyone had good luck with her? She has the kind of body I like and she has the hippy-ish look that I go for as well.[/QUOTE]She advertises in the Therapeutic Massage section and her ad reads like a legit massage therapist not and escort pretending to be a massage therapist. What exactly were you expecting?

Saw the Barbie from Ca great body. 8.5 personality. Service a 10. Everything covered willing to work on $$$$

[QUOTE=FineByMe72; 1258554]I saw her.

[url]http://grandrapids.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/healing-hands-by-anna/6288815[/url]

A while back and was hoping for a lot more than I got. Has anyone had good luck with her? Googling her suggests she might have been fun at one time but not anymore. I felt like I just overpaid for a massage (a fairly decent one but still it was too much money). She collected the fee up front and upsold me on a "specialty massage" which included the groin but didn't include the part of my groin I would have liked. Her groin massage was pretty much what you'd get from a therapist except that I paid $20 extra for it.

My question: has anyone had good luck with her? She has the kind of body I like and she has the hippy-ish look that I go for as well.[/QUOTE]Did you ask for the Tantra massage?

"the Barbie from Ca" ... huh? Could you be more specific and/or give a link? And by $$$$, are you meaning 400? Can't imagine too many girls worth that, if any.

[QUOTE=DejaB;1259260]Saw the Barbie from Ca great body. 8.5 personality. Service a 10. Everything covered willing to work on $$$$[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TwistedBrother;1259289]"the Barbie from Ca" . huh? Could you be more specific and/or give a link? And by $$$$, are you meaning 400? Can't imagine too many girls worth that, if any.[/QUOTE]She is willing to work on the price.

She's on BP under Grand Rapids Mi.

[QUOTE=Matthew65;1257938]Well, I'm not a regular shopper, so I'm coming from a different perspective I think. I had expected the advertised rate to just be a massage and then have to shell out for more. It's been a long time, but that had always been my experience with agencies and the like.[/QUOTE]Because agencies and the "like" like to prey on "stoopid" and they've been doing it for a long time. Which is why I don't use them anymore. Hell I haven't used a girl from an agency is over ten fucking years and this is exactly why. That or it's bait and switch or some other bullshit.

I remember years ago I told some chick on the stroll no thanks for $20 full service. She just wasn't my type. To much milage showing for me. I drove around for a while longer and couldn't find anyone else out. In desperation I called an agency. The girl on the phone asked what kind of girl I wanted? Just someone who doesn't look like she just come in from the stroll I told her. Figured if I was going to pay a little more for an agency girl she better damn well be a looker. Oh' I got a real model type for you she says. So I go to where she sends me and knock on the door.

Guess who! The chick I declined not two hours earlier on the stroll (50 miles from where I was now at) answers the door! You going to come in now she says with a half shitty attitude. Fuck no I told her and fuck that ***** on the phone too I told her. And I forgot the price had gone up to $200! Fuck them all. A couple of minutes goes by and the girl from the agency calls my phone. What was the problem she wants to know. So I told her everything. Then she starts trying to BS me with a bunch of crap. She just needs to pay for the room, I'll have her see you for the $40 room she says.

She actually tried to see if another girl would join us for the $40 room fee. Then this other girl calls my phone and starts telling me what a asshole I am. For the next half hour it's back and forth on my cell with all 3 of these girls. Finally I called the agency girls and told her go fuck yourself, I'll never call an agency again. I haven't either. That has to be more than 15 years ago. It wasn't the first time I got jerked around but it was the last. Sure I've had incredible times with agency girls in the past, but it's not worth the bullshit or the price to me.

I've come a long long way from those days in my abilities to get exactly what I want and the price I want.

Learn some negotiating skills and join the Monger Union and drive these hoe's prices down!

[QUOTE=Barebear;1259276]Did you ask for the Tantra massage?[/QUOTE]I got the specialty massage. I think it cost me $70 ($50 for the massage and $20 for the specialty which was supposed to be my groin). I didn't get the tantra. Have you tried it? If it was pretty certain that more fun could be had with the tantra I might try it because she is my type but with $70 in already it'd have to be virtually a certainty for me to try it again. When I got there I thought for sure I was in for a great time because I had to pay up front and because of the "groin massage" but no luck.

[QUOTE=FineByMe72;1260632]I got the specialty massage. I think it cost me $70 ($50 for the massage and $20 for the specialty which was supposed to be my groin). I didn't get the tantra. Have you tried it? If it was pretty certain that more fun could be had with the tantra I might try it because she is my type but with $70 in already it'd have to be virtually a certainty for me to try it again. When I got there I thought for sure I was in for a great time because I had to pay up front and because of the "groin massage" but no luck.[/QUOTE]Never tried her. If she offers Tantra, I would assume you'll get a good result. Of course, I'm getting old, and I don't beat around the Bush. I just ask ahead of time when I make an appointment. I have also professed for years not to pay up front unless you know your provider. So, I guess Anna and I wouldn't ever get together.

Any info on Karama 6166082392

[url]http://grandrapids.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/new-in-towncome-see-me-23/6576224[/url]?

Ok, not to sound totally stupid but I would like to hear all the possible reasons for why girls don't want text message or blocked calls. And why do some girls barely answer a text once and then quit replying even when I am trying to be effiecient and not waste their time? It just seems like someone in that position would want to take advantage of anything thing could to "close a sale"?

The answer to the text question is pretty obvious if you think about it. Text messages leave a trail of the conversation, even if they erase it a record is kept with phone company. If Uncle LEO deems it they could get a warrent for phone records and text messages. This helps incriminate and set up anyone who may have text messages. I try to keep that to a minimum. As far as blocked calls the only thing I could think its probably a way for some of these ladies to check to see if your legit or a Wolf in Sheeps clothing. Uncle LEO can be tricky so this is probably why the blocked are not a good idea. However, with some once they get your number they blow your phone up. Which I think sucks, because I don't always want them to have such personal information or be able to track back to me. Thats why its advisable to carry a second phone for your hobby that is a disposable one from somewhere like Boost or whatever. Less tracking and less likely get caught by Uncle LEO.

[QUOTE=CruiserinGR;1268935]Ok, not to sound totally stupid but I would like to hear all the possible reasons for why girls don't want text message or blocked calls. And why do some girls barely answer a text once and then quit replying even when I am trying to be effiecient and not waste their time? It just seems like someone in that position would want to take advantage of anything thing could to "close a sale"?[/QUOTE]

The first and last thing I keep coming back is exactly what you pointed out already about second phone. I use one, I affectionaly call it my smut phone (or SP for short) and I would think any girl in the business would be using the same type of no name no record phone. Even if not by design but because the cheapest phones out there are throw away. Even if LE were to ever go after text records, which I would be really suprised to ever see unless something WAY more then the kind of fun we have was on the line, if no one name is on the phone then one can get dinged. And as far as the girls using the caller I'd number to verify anything I highly doubt if any of them have the resources to use those numbers and if its from a throw away phone it won't do them any good anyway. And if LE wants to sting someone they are just going to use some non descript number that won't tell anyone anything anyway. I really have to think and smart legit girl could care less about caller I'd and would be smart enough to know what a great marketing tool text messaging could be. Unless they just have so much business that they have no need for salesmanship. I will have this conversation with a girl I know and see what she says.

On another note, anyone know anything about this girl?

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[QUOTE=Dirkdiggs76;1269200]The answer to the text question is pretty obvious if you think about it. Text messages leave a trail of the conversation, even if they erase it a record is kept with phone company. If Uncle LEO deems it they could get a warrent for phone records and text messages. This helps incriminate and set up anyone who may have text messages. I try to keep that to a minimum. As far as blocked calls the only thing I could think its probably a way for some of these ladies to check to see if your legit or a Wolf in Sheeps clothing. Uncle LEO can be tricky so this is probably why the blocked are not a good idea. However, with some once they get your number they blow your phone up. Which I think sucks, because I don't always want them to have such personal information or be able to track back to me. Thats why its advisable to carry a second phone for your hobby that is a disposable one from somewhere like Boost or whatever. Less tracking and less likely get caught by Uncle LEO.[/QUOTE]

Just joined up and wanted to post about my visit with.

[url]http://grandrapids.backpage.com/Domination/sassy-tattooed-and-pierced-femme-top-38/6361916[/url]

She's cute and kinky. BDSM (spanking, CBT, nipples) , verbal humiliation, oral, and a HJ. I believe DATY and FS were possibilities, but it didn't go that way the first time. Only negative was that upon leaving, her roommate was in the living room, which was rather awkward. Regardless, I'd highly recommend her. $200 / hr. She's a smoker, but not during the session and didn't smell like it, that I could notice.

Sorry, but what is CBT?

[QUOTE=MinGR23; 1271753]Just joined up and wanted to post about my visit with.

[url]http://grandrapids.backpage.com/Domination/sassy-tattooed-and-pierced-femme-top-38/6361916[/url]

She's cute and kinky. BDSM (spanking, CBT, nipples) , verbal humiliation, oral, and a HJ. I believe DATY and FS were possibilities, but it didn't go that way the first time. Only negative was that upon leaving, her roommate was in the living room, which was rather awkward. Regardless, I'd highly recommend her. $200 / hr. She's a smoker, but not during the session and didn't smell like it, that I could notice.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TwistedBrother;1272116]Sorry, but what is CBT?[/QUOTE]Cock and Ball Torture

[QUOTE=Nonesuch;1272145]Cock and Ball Torture[/QUOTE]I'd rather my "boys" be cuddled, caressed, licked, sucked, etc, but that's just me.

[QUOTE=Sparty0320;1272763]I'd rather my "boys" be cuddled, caressed, licked, sucked, etc, but that's just me.[/QUOTE]If you've ever been to a BDSM party, you quickly realize that some brains are wired differently. Some people are in ecstasy, over something that causes pain in most people.

[QUOTE=Grmojo;1272904]If you've ever been to a BDSM party, you quickly realize that some brains are wired differently. Some people are in ecstasy, over something that causes pain in most people.[/QUOTE]The "ecstasy" is more properly referred to as "euphoria" and in bdsm is referred to as "subspace". It's caused by a release of endorphins which are secreted as a defense against pain. Not the pain of a needle jab, but the pain of something that slowly increases, such as the pain and resulting euphoria experienced by long-distance runners. An experienced lifestyle professional dominatrix can bring most people into subspace by slowly and sensuously increasing pain. Most people have their limits when pain can become overwhelming. The professional dominatrix explores and expands those limits. Sex, at least what is called "Vanilla Sex" is not involved. For more info, check out maxfisch. Com

[QUOTE=Grmojo;1272904]If you've ever been to a BDSM party, you quickly realize that some brains are wired differently. Some people are in ecstasy, over something that causes pain in most people.[/QUOTE]To each his own.

[QUOTE=Sparty0320;1273729]To each his own.[/QUOTE]I only got invited because a friend met a dominatrix who was looking for a guy as dominant as she was. I came to mind, but she was a little big for my tastes.

I just pulled up a chair, enjoyed a beer and watched the flogging. It was interesting to watch, but not my thing to participate in.

I had a dream of tyler today, and I have to say she is very pretty in person. Not trashy at all, and very friendly. No complaints.

I've seen these two popping up recently, and the pics look fantastic. Anyone know anything about them? They seem legit enough from searching.

Anybody ever hear anything about this girl?

[url]http://grandrapids.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/andlt3-cassidy-ur-fungurl-andlt3-tan-sexy-angelface-model-summerspecial-22/6596941[/url]

[QUOTE=Pjj116; 1277104]Anybody ever hear anything about this girl?

[url]http://grandrapids.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/andlt3-cassidy-ur-fungurl-andlt3-tan-sexy-angelface-model-summerspecial-22/6596941[/url][/QUOTE]There is a recent report in streetwalker section regarding her.

[QUOTE=Pjj116; 1277104]Anybody ever hear anything about this girl?

[url]http://grandrapids.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/andlt3-cassidy-ur-fungurl-andlt3-tan-sexy-angelface-model-summerspecial-22/6596941[/url][/QUOTE]She's nice enough, but is bigger in person than she looks in pics. Performance was ok, not great. Not rushed. I prolly won't try it again, she's just too big for my liking.

This one, you mean?

[url]http://grandrapids.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/hot-blonde-is-simply-amazing-35/3647472[/url]

Thanks for TOFTT.

[QUOTE=Cambear24;1274553]I had a dream of tyler today, and I have to say she is very pretty in person. Not trashy at all, and very friendly. No complaints.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Pjj116; 1277104]Anybody ever hear anything about this girl?

[url]http://grandrapids.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/andlt3-cassidy-ur-fungurl-andlt3-tan-sexy-angelface-model-summerspecial-22/6596941[/url][/QUOTE]Saw her years ago, when she went by another name. It was one lame appointment! I never went back to see her again.