An example of a safe (non) pickup.
BF: You performed exactly the right moves, and may well have spared yourself some LE grief:
1) Eye contact was made
2) You pulled around the corner, no LE in sight
3) Let her come to you
4) Ask if she needs a ride
5) When she stalls and begins negotiations, PULL AWAY!
6) Leave the red zone immediately. Do not continue your cruise because if she IS LE, they will be on your case.
Any SW in the know will hop right in (There are, of course, some dummies out there). It is classic LE for the decoy to ask what you need through the window... Red flags waving.
Once she is in the car, have a casual discussion about where does she need to go on this ride. Soon, her hand finds your package, and she allows your hands to wander hither and yon. THEN you are off to the races, not before. Never discuss which for what before that.
Giani
P.S. I PMed Word about a misprint in his recent chapter: Nothing wrong with one way streets. I think he MEANT to caution about DEAD END streets. I agree, they are a trap waiting to happen. There are many in the OTR region. Avoid them if you can.
Also, I have had at least my share of problems paying up front. I have no problem convincing SWs that I am good to pay, and do so after the fact. A token up front may help, but once the money is in their hand, you may not get into their bush.
[QUOTE=Bill Fanta] ... I circled around and made eye contact, I thought I was off to the races, but such was not to be the case. As per the rules, I pulled around the corner into the side street and waiting for her to come hop into the car. But she came over to the driver's side and said, "What you want baby? " Right away I was wary since she didn't get right into the car. So I said, "I just saw you there and thought you might want a ride. " She replied, "Well, what do YOU want? " Now I am really thinking she is LE. Her eyes are clear and bright, skin is smooth and healthy, and she just doesn't look like a street person. I look her in the eye, and with a slight smile say, "I don't think you want a ride. " She looks back at me as if to say, "You caught me. " She just says, "Alright, baby. " And off I drove... So I if I take another run at the SW scene, you can believe I will be as careful as possible and try to stay alert to the dangers.[/QUOTE]
Wow, could have been me were it not for following those rules!
[QUOTE=Rogoh]I was surprised that no one reported the bust of 5 johns on Elm, Henry and State yesterday afternoon. The WLWT and WCPO web sites show the names and two pics.[/QUOTE]I guess I must have been right in assuming that the woman at Elm and Henry that I mentioned in my earlier post was LE! Scary to think I pulled over to pick her up. Later that afternoon I saw a blond standing in the same spot and I'll bet she was LE as well. Just be EXTRA careful in this area and unless the SW literally leaps into your car, you'd better pass.
Thanks for the heads up, Rogoh.
Well, well, well... but are we surprised?
The evidence is good that BF skirted a VERY unpleasant excursion into LE hell. I say good work BF. It cannot be overemphasized:
Does the woman look too good to be true? (Too clean, too much LA hooker dress, etc.)
Is LE watching from a hidden spot (RTFF on several places in OTR).
Were you careful to ask if she needs a ride?
Did she jump right in?
You all know these and the rest of the rules.
Rogoh: do you have the URL for the reports on WLWT and/or WCPO? If any contributers of the board EVER get hassled or worse by LE, let us know immediately, giving ALL details so the rest of us can learn.
For years, the vicinity of Elm and Henry have been very hot. A friend of mine was stopped on Henry because LE recognized Rachel in his car, and hassled them both. It has never been more important to rigorously follow the rules 'cause for what ever reason, LE is trying to make a splash. Clearly, this is a time to kick up the caution a notch...
Giani
P.S. Garysh: It appears that yours is the question of a newbie. Exactly how CAN you tell that an SW is disease free??? You can't with certainty. Never forget, the hard and fast rule for FS is: condom first, then action. BBBJ? at your own risk, but at least any STD picked up that way is not potentially fatal.
[QUOTE=Rogoh]I was surprised that no one reported the bust of 5 johns on Elm, Henry and State yesterday afternoon. The WLWT and WCPO web sites show the names and two pics.[/QUOTE]
Web Links for John's Bust
[QUOTE=Giani]The evidence is good that BF skirted a VERY unpleasant excursion into LE hell. I say good work BF. It cannot be overemphasized:
Rogoh: do you have the URL for the reports on WLWT and/or WCPO? If any contributers of the board EVER get hassled or worse by LE, let us know immediately, giving ALL details so the rest of us can learn.[/QUOTE]Links for the news articles on the bust of Johns yesterday (Tuesday)
[url]http://www.wlwt.com/news/19711782/detail.html[/url]
[url]http://www.wcpo.com/news/local/story/Prostitution-Sweep-Nets-5-Suspected-Johns/guQc-qNHiUmSoq_nPikrsw.cspx[/url]
Need To Make A Correction!
I know this is not that important, but I got a PM from Giani & Mr. Boombastic, about "Never to park on a One-Way street." Well, I should have said, "Never to Park on a Dead-End-Street". Most people know this, but just in case, let me correct this. Even on a One-Way you should still use cautious, because you are parked in one direction, and can only see traffic coming from your rear, along with people walking up to you.
As a Senior Member along with many others, we have been doing this for a very long time, and we all have our methods that work for each of us. We can write a "How To" book, and each one be different, with across the board rules. We have also done everything across the board, on and off the streets. And we know all the rules of every game. But be certain that there is always something new, and we are always open and happy to get new information on any new part of the SW game. So don't ever think we know it all, or have heard it all. We welcome your post and PM's to us.
If you are not a street Cruiser, and want to become one, it will take a lot of time, to become one. There is so much for you to learn. You can't learn it all in a few week of sometimes a full summer. It is according to how much time you are willing to spend to learn. And to some, the streets are too tough for them. There is no time limit to learn, but the more you try the more you learn, and you will be ripped off at some point, but the main thing is to avoid LE, Stings, being followed, etc., etc.
So if the street action does not thrill you, then stick to what does. I see more men driving around, that I know are misplaced, don't belong, and are so obvious it becomes comical. LE loves these men, along with the ones who are just plain stupid, in their approach to the game. This is about as bad as the men who cruise/hunt in a commercial vehicle, with the Name & phone number on the truck. You really have to be stupid to use your work vehicle to cruise. LE loves these people too.
Reading the archive is your best bet for learning what to do, and what to avoid. It is a way to avoid asking what has already been answered, in detail.
As for the streets that is where I like to cruise in. I don't much like the more expensive AMP, Escorts, CL/BP Girls, or Web Site Girls. If I got ripped off using them, I'd start a serious fight to get my MONEY back. Homie Don't Play That!
Lately I am seeing a lot of these so-called pimps slapping around their lady. I say lady loosely, abd that they only have one. One girl, can they really be considered pimps.
Anyway, I saw two being slapped around on Central Pkwy, two at Mohawk & McM, and two more down by the Kiddie Park near Dunlap. All the girls were crying and the dude was yelling at the top of their lungs at them. Ity was fairly short lived, and the girls then walked back with them walking about 5-10 ft behind them. Just as a precautions you might want to avoid, these situations, at that time, or there about.
Lastly, if You, only have a short time to cruise, them don't look for much success. It can take a lot of time, and patience.
If you are afraid to leave your car to walk around or walk to the corner store, you won't have much success.
If you can't find a secure place of your own, according to the advise written, you won't have much success.
If you are AFRAID of being around poor Black or White people, then don't do the streets, because you won't have much success.
And if you think reading all the post will make your an expert, then you are in line for failure. Use the advice to help shape your game, not to be your game.
Everyone, has a way of doing their own thing, thus learn to do yours.
SW Wear Glasses & Sometimes Contacts .... but !!!!
Many of the SW's out there wear glasses, which they either keep in their purse/pockets, or leave at home. Many times I have seen them bust out glasses to see things on the streets from a distance.
Many need reading type glasses but more any other type. So they do wear glasses, but your are right, rarely do you see them walking around with them on. With the price of glasses, even cheap glasses, they can not afford to have them stolen, broken, damaged, or lost. If you want to get even with an SW, grab her glasses, break them in half, and she will not be able to replace them for weeks if not months, if she does not have a second pair.
Now remember many also wear contacts, until they are at the full addict level. Wearing contacts needs maintenance, and if they are P/T 'ers they have the time. I know only a hand full of WSW that wear contacts, but many BSW that do. They are decent SW's and are not at the addict level.
As for the West End/McM question I don't quite understand it. The West End is the community, directly to the west of OTR. Or are you talking about driving west on McM. That is easy "Just Drive West", because it ends at MLK, behind the Interstate Motel.
It is Mid month, and the mother's day money is gone, and they won't get anymore till next month. So, this is a time for bargains, and P/T SW's will be Out-n-About. Next week the Summer Heat will be on, and people will be sitting outside. It will be too hot to stay indoor, in most of the downtown Apt. So opportunities are there, but don't be disrespectful.
Don't ask too many questions, stuck to the subject at hand, be bold when asking, so she will know exactly what you are asking about, and make certain you ask what she will NOT do, more than what she WILL. Set a MAX price and start low first to start with. Stay far away from your Max, and be prepare to walk away, if you can't get most of what you want. If they know people will walk out on a deal, they will seriously deal with you, instead of trying to score a Big Fish/Suga Daddy all at once. If they can PLAY-you they will.
Lastly, people if you look out-of-place, chance are you-R!
LE looks for people like yourself. So try to find a reason to be in the area. Eat lunch/dinner, stop at the convenience store, or go property hunting, just look like you are not that out-of-place. I don't advise stopping into the local bars. They will peg you as a cop. Then that will spread, and trouble ahead.
[QUOTE=Jumper Oh]Fyi. AJ the WSW that I've been picking up lately wears horn rimmed glasses, and they look good on her. She does take them off froom time to time so I'm thinking she's near sited. Just an FYI.[/QUOTE]
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Thanks for the map of OTR...
Should we be proud, ashamed or afraid??? The point is that many of us know our way around, AND know how to keep ourselves relatively safe... But I found "To the Limits" URL posting interesting. I have composited the map for the "danger area" (*1st* out of/27 of the most dangerous... Really???). I have not looked at HOW they do the compilation, but do not question that OTR can be a lion hunt not without its risks... My take is that OTR is in fact risky, but HARDLY the most risky in the US...
The "dangerous" map can be useful for newbies because SW cruising is often in high crime zones. It is therefore important to remember to ALWAYS follow the rules and let caution be your first guide post... And, as everyone ALWAYS advises, keep your antennae out, and be aware of your environment.
Giani
P.S. Now I feel sheepish. A year ago, a monger from Chicago said he was never more afraid in Chicago that in our OTR! I berated him, and got into a minor flaming situation. Chicago dude (who WAS that guy?): you have been vindicated by the media! (Not that the vindication is necessarily true.)
[QUOTE=To The Limit]http://www.walletpop.com/insurance/most-dangerous-neighborhoods?icid=main|hp-laptop|dl3|link3|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.walletpop.com%2Finsurance%2Fmost-dangerous-neighborhoods
Saw this article and clicked through the cities to see who the worst was. Was thinking to myself that Chicago had quite a lot of shit hole neighborhoods. But good ole' cincy's always coming through in the clutch. Figured this would be the correct forum since this is one of our neighbor hoods of choice in this city.[/QUOTE]
Escort Grade Material on McMic
A timid friend of mine reports that he found a new friend named Tera on McMic. Curious for input from those more experienced street warriors out there because he says she was unlike ANY other SW that he has seen in the area. She was white, 30ish?, brwn hair, very nice body, attractive face and ended up being a good personality to match the rest of her. Rating this one a 9.5 because he said he is not sure yet what a 10 would be on the SW scale. He slowed waaaay down to take a real good look and thought to himself there's no way. When she immediately crossed to the other side of the street he thought maybe it was worth circling back.
He rolled past her a fair distance on the return and pulled off to the side. She reversed direction and was soon hopping in to join him. After they had motored out of the immediate area she states that she is doing massages and dance shows and my buddy says that would be great but he was looking to be more interactive than that. Some checks were done and she reveals a perfect set of surgically enhanced twins that were absolutely spactacular to the eye and to the touch. Also dropped her jeans to show sexy black panties and then took those down to reveal a pretty lil kitty with a nice mohawk hair cut. All other aspects of her were also very fresh and clean and she made it a point to comment about being drug free and wanting to show her arms, legs, etc. She tells him that her shows are either .5 or $. He appologized and said that she was a bit out of his league and they continued to drive and talk. Eventially they homed in on .3
She directed their route to an area that ended up being about 3 miles from the pick and was on W side of 75. She started to text on her phone and he told her that if she needed to contact anyone it would have to wait and she complied. She told him that she would need to make a hand off, but it would be AFTER honoring their contract first. He agreed, but she was really concerned about not wanting to be left afterward and being returned near their original meeting place. THE RULES were heavy on his mind, but he did bend the one about her choosing the locaton but he was relying on good instinct based on how other things had transpired to this point.
Area was clean & safe. Moved to the rear as the tint there provided more privacy. The top comes off and he immediately pays tribute to the lovely pups that had been revealed earlier. She moves on to bbbj that was good, but not excellent. There was some dirty talk thrown in that made it fun. It was a laid back experience with no rush and there was absolutely no activity/traffic of any kind to be concerned about but the hour was very late around 2am.
After enjoying himself for quite some time she says that she wants to see it shoot all over the twins. He tells her when that time approaches and she switches from bbbj to hj and gets her wish.
A quick clean up, then returns to the text message she wished to send earlier. The hand off mentioned earlier also occurs about 2 blocks from their spot. He only waited on her about 3 mins. Conversation on the return trip reveals the following (whether truthful or not... who knows):
- lost a good paying job and home was foreclosed (explains the bolt ons?)
- recently got phone & doing what needs to be done to bankroll a fresh start
- a loan paid rent for the current week on a room (reason for the hand off)
- has daughter and will not use her room as in-call
- very picky and will often choose to exit rather than accepting the offer of a ride
- prefers repeat encounters to avoid street level 1st time meetings
He made a follow up call the next day that revealed legit working digits. Thanked her for the fun time and said that he would like to enjoy a fuller menu and a chance to feed that cute kitty if it were hungry, but warned that the two tiers she mentioned on her shows were not something he would be quickly getting back in touch about. She encouraged him to just call when he was feeling ready and things have a way of working out.
He promised me that when he has playdough available, he would call to fill me in on what agreement could be reached on a FS visit.
I agreed with him that this seemed to be a rare find, but would post to see if others knew of her or have had similar almost TGTBT experiences. She was not very obvious in her actions and could have been easily passed by, but being watchful and playing by THE RULES (well, almost) everything fell into place on this one.
