Stupid Shit In San Diego

There are stories that are worth reading and some don't give much info (wam, bam, thank you ma'am).

These stories are for entertainment use only. LOL.

[QUOTE=MaximusKahn;5856828]Intelligence, common sense, and a grain of salt is all you need to enjoy these forums.

For me, 20% of the posts in these forums are interesting and useful, but the other 80% of the time they are pure humor and entertainment.

We all should be able to post what we want to post, within the rules of course. If others like our posts, great, if not, so be it. They can go read something else.

We should be able to enjoy the posts we like, and avoid the posts we don't like. All we have to do is look closely and we can tell what the post is all about and decide if it is worth our time.

If the post is filled with over the top praise about a provider, consider the monger posting it.

Do they get defensive and protective?

Do they seem to have been everywhere, done everything, and know everyone?

Do they self-promote a lot as if they are some kind of Casanova or the Lord of the AMP / Provider universe?

Do they openly disparage or start negative rumors about another Spa or provider?

Or do the posts just tell you about their experiences? Long or short, good or bad?

Naturally we want to know where to go to spend our hard earned time and money, but knowing where not to go is important too. All posts are not going to be positive recommendations. I find hearing of a bad experience to be as valuable as hearing about a great time.

You have to admit, once you weed out the junk and the BS we do get a fair amount of good intel to work with. Even the shills might point you in a good direction now and then.

All we have to do is read carefully, employ intelligence, use some common sense, and add a grain of salt, and you'll probably get a good understanding of who is posting and why. Then like a buffet, take what you want, leave the rest behind.[/QUOTE]

The Bob Craft situation was sparked because an inspector found signs that the women were living there and they suspected human trafficking. With that being LE's motivation they set up a sting where they went in under the guise as repair men and set up their own cameras.

In SD, there are really only a few things what would focus LE on Spa in general or a spa specifically.

One is they suspect Human Trafficking. This is a huge topic and LE is tasked to address this with full force.

Another is that they are just in the regular cycle of "cracking" down on prostitution in all forms, SWalkers, Spas, Independent providers, etc. There will be an increased effort, they'll make an impact, and then move onto the next hot topic that occupies their man power. This is why we hear of sting's and busts, and guys get burned and then it's over. Till the next cycle of course. And it would suck to be "caught" in this cycle. Thus this hobby has risks.

The other is excessive business that draws the attention of the community or local businesses who complain about the activities. LE is compelled to respond to "complaints" and tips coming in from the community of suspicions behavior. So if your Spa stands out way too much and people complain, it will be under the eye of LE. A lot of "traffic" can look suspicious if it is a line of all men.

When LE does raid or bust a Spa, they're showing the community they're taking action responding to complaints or tips of illegal actions. When they speak with the providers and learn they are not being trafficked and have their credential in order it may go no further.

As for providers who have their own cameras set up. I personally don't worry about it because that feed is internal, and even if LE raids the place and reviews the feeds, I don't care because I'm not there.

[QUOTE=Lascivious;5849308]Ever think about a being in a Bob Craft situation, where the spa is recording the session? I'm not quite as famous as him-but.

Years ago I saw a girl Felicia in a downtown loft that had a smoke detector with a flashing red light on the ceiling very near the massage table. I couldn't help but wonder if there was a camera in it. Not that it stopped me from returning.

I often have that thought in the back of my mind at spas and private residences.

Someone wondered that after the a popular spa's license check, if the cops may have hidden cameras. Probably silly and it certainly didn't stop me from going. I'm sure they don't-and that the girls would know / find them if they did.

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

Speaking of that, there was some STD talk. I haven't often opted for BBBJ but I did splurge a couple of times recently. I decided to test before reading the scuttlebutt. I got the all clear, just in case anyone was worried about the girls having something. No doubt that they test frequently.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nannersd;5878779]I have been watching crimemapping website. It is very informative. It confirms the five citations issued back on 12/15/2021 at VIP in Spring Valley. What is missing is any data on any subsequent citations or arrests at that location, which has led me to question was there a second "bust" as many have reported.

Because of the lack of a second incident I have felt that the heat may have gotten to be too much and they bailed to another jurisdiction.[/QUOTE]It did not take a rocket scientist to see this coming from a mile away. I predicted it way back in the day when you have a location with homeless people sleeping on the sidewalk, drug dealers on the corner slinging crack, walls that do not go to the ceiling, No cameras, No locked door, every amateur mistake that you could possibly make.

The funny part is you had all of these cheerleaders screaming from the rooftops stating how beautiful this place was.

Dead and done.

I still feel bad for all of the customers that got bloodied and beat up and arrested because there were three separate times that the police came and ultimately they shut it down.

[QUOTE=TheDudeInSd;5878965]It did not take a rocket scientist to see this coming from a mile away. I predicted it way back in the day when you have a location with homeless people sleeping on the sidewalk, drug dealers on the corner slinging crack, walls that do not go to the ceiling, No cameras, No locked door, every amateur mistake that you could possibly make.

The funny part is you had all of these cheerleaders screaming from the rooftops stating how beautiful this place was.

Dead and done.

I still feel bad for all of the customers that got bloodied and beat up and arrested because there were three separate times that the police came and ultimately they shut it down.[/QUOTE]This is 100% incorrect. You guys are just making shit up at this point. You can read my post below, but there was not "three separate times that the police came". LE only made one visit to VIP and that was in December of last year. As I've already mentioned, I am very very close friends with one of the owners. I am friends with the other owners as well. So much so, that I've become a fixture at their owners meetings and get togethers. Just about everything I'm reading here is untrue. Nobody on this board has a fraction of the information I have about this. If it doesn't come from me, take it with a grain of salt, as it is more than likely untrue.

Mr MuffMan.

[QUOTE=DogRice;5880628]Been with SDAG and FEC over 15 years, and never receive a text initiated from booker nor the gal. A bit skeptical about this.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=SirBishop;5881304]I'm with Dog Rice on this one. I've been in this game long enough to distinguish between reality and fantasy.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=RolfTorren;5881349]The only time I've ever received an unsolicited communications from an AA booked was when they threatened to blacklist me if I ever wrote another negative review. That was before I used my common sense and made sure my hobby handle was different from my hobby email.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=RezzakSD;5881890]Why do you always feel the need to brag or 1 up people all the time. Wine with Cris. Sushi with this person.
Yah yah my post count is less than 10.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=HapaBoy86;5882279]So, when she asks you to borrow 5 k to pay for her shopping bills I bet you give it to her.
Or, soon as a negative comment comes over you're social butterfly skills kicks in and text her I bet?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=HapaBoy86;5882300]You obviously don't give a crap about your personal life since you want to give a booker your true identity info. Such as personal work info, personal emails, cdl.
So, go ahead and ride that wave I've got noting to hide cause if that day comes I guarantee you wish I never was so lazy about using personal info to bookers.
And, if you think that bookers delete info you send them.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Dolan85;5882937]Me too, been doing this for about 8 years and I've only been texted twice by a booker, once was when I wrote a negative review on here right after I left, I guess I was the only person who'd seen the girl so it was easy to put 2 and 2 together and yeah pretty much same thing happened, booker threatened to blacklist me and share my info with other local bookers if I didn't delete the review. Second time was a few days after cris pulled a bait and switch on me. Never been there before so I didn't know whaf cris looked like, read one of dudeinsd's reviews and figured I'd try out said girl, ended up getting cris instead (verified by people on here after I posted about it). Either way cris texts me a week after and tells me she has new a girl.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=JuvyNiled;5883134]If the Dude gets busted the whole agency goes down. It's impossible not to know who he is by now.
He really should stop hyping up bad girls at the agency, and he should stop trying to sell people on Cris's girls here.[/QUOTE]Although I may be a newer member here on this platform, I have been very active partaking in this hobby off and on for a very long time and I have an extensive history of knowledge and personal experiences. My TER, Erotic Monkey, My RB, along with several other platforms (which I won't share here) validate this. I could post in practically every single sub-forum (with the exception of Streetwalkers and Gangbangs), regarding personal experiences with provider's who have been discussed here.

It's nice seeing, so many of you highly reputable, tenured member's (along with Moderator Dog Rice), call this "Shill" in question, out. I wouldn't be weighing in my $. 02 here, but for the simple fact that this shill in question, also cost me $200 and one of the worst experiences I've had in this hobby, with a girl he highly touted here, with you guessed it- Cris' agency. And yes, I'm still not happy about that!

Furthermore, if any of you were to actually spend the time, and research the "Modus operandi" of this member in question, along with Ryan, Sirjjzalot and that the Jaguar300 guy, it's crystal clear to see this 1 member and the same, agenda here on this forum, and the great lengths he will go to, to try to justify / validate, his continual, shilling; creating multiple accounts, and actually go the extreme length with his / hers attempts trying to be clever by mingling these member's support for 1 another.

If Moderator Dog Rice would like me to elaborate on this further (regarding a correlation between said member's mentioned above and a particular AMP under constant attack / sabotage), I'd more than happy to discuss this, privately.

I hope this anonymous shill here realizes (whomever he / she is), that 2 people can play dirty playing this game.

[QUOTE=HapaBoy86;5882300]So, when the le busts happens and local le and the feds come pay you a visit and take you away in metal cuffs or plastic ones and into the backseat of a car to the popo house.


Le Interviewer. We have all your texts exchanges between the house / apt in question and certain individuals.

Le Interviewer. We busted the operation and now want to go after all the customers![/QUOTE]We really appreciate you coming into the San Diego area from the city of lost assholes. You must really be bored to come up with brilliant ideas like this. As we all know and have been doing this for 15 years law enforcement's main objective is to follow text messages and to come to people's houses and arrest the John's. You are 100% right and super brilliant. You have 5,000 posts on this website and I think you've contributed about 2 reviews. Thank you so much for contributing and thank you so much for coming down to San Diego and getting evolved in our community.

Keep up the great work.

These are non-Cris reviews LMAO. Because I am her shill. Ummm whatever.

Keep in mind this is only going back to 2021, I have 90+ reviews on TER, 1 of which is Cris LOL.

1. Middle East Sally.

2. SDAG--the best Korean agency in town-Ash.

Kiko.

Arisa.

Sema.

Susette.

Cuban Ginger man her BBBJ is mind blwoing.

Binna.

Mannie.

10. FEC-Gia.

Seya.

Ace.

Sia.

14. Sandra 99 Nira and Emily.

16. Massage Parlor reviews-Amy Happy Foot.

Amy Leisure.

Apple Diamond in Hilcrest.

Japanese Mia in Hilcrest Mimi traveler.

Ava You spa in LG.

Serenity Viet girl don't remember name, 1 of few negative reviews I ever do.

Erma Yoyo.

Cici VIP in SV.

Golden A Summer.

Rainbow Lucy.

Smile spa Angela / Angel.

Fountain Lisa.

Unique on EBC Thai girl named May.

You spa Lulu in LG.

There's 29 reviews and add that to the 90+ on TER and you get a shit ton.

Shill? Ummmm yeah OK. 120 girls I shill.

When you finally reach the age of 27 years old and can actually contribute something to this forum other than what happened in the ghetto of the homeless in Spring Valley please enlighten us and let us know. You have contributed nothing.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=MrMuffMan;5919554]Well dude, your source for information is pretty good, however they got one pretty important detail wrong. It's VIP in Spring Valley that's for sale, not NLBC. After being closed for about 2 months, and contemplating what they wanted to do, they decided it's best to sell and move on. Sadly, after all the bullshit some of you guys put them through (you know who you are) it just isn't worth the trouble to continue to operate in San Diego. It's the mongers loss really. A few idiots ruined one of, if not THE best thing in town for the rest of us. Thanks a lot.
Mr MuffMan.[/QUOTE]It is indeed a sad day when competition begins to use the social media tactics of mis-information and shilling, techniques more commonly used by politicians, to belittle, badger, harass, confuse and mis-lead. The information shared in these forums is public, not protected by passwords or elite membership. It appears to anyone. What's worse? People believe this s**t without doing some basic research and the shills and fake posters know this fact. It only takes one person to make multiple fake accounts to spread the same mis-information and harassment on this board. Mis-information, that if repeated enough times, appears to be the truth because it's been said so many times. When the people that are truly involved and know the inner circle truths speak up, they become ignored because they have not made the same statement more times than the hater. The demise of VIP is an example of how competition and hate can shut down a thriving, needed, innovative business.

Congrats to the hater with multiple accounts spreading false and mis-leading information on eliminating one competitor. This competitor has and will re-establish the business. You will not be aware of where, when or how. It will happen. Your efforts to shut down VIP and get business for yourself has been in vain. We know who you are, what you are doing. The mongers on this board take notes and are smart.

[QUOTE=SirBishop;5921903]It is indeed a sad day when competition begins to use the social media tactics of mis-information and shilling, techniques more commonly used by politicians, to belittle, badger, harass, confuse and mis-lead. The information shared in these forums is public, not protected by passwords or elite membership. It appears to anyone. What's worse? People believe this s**t without doing some basic research and the shills and fake posters know this fact. It only takes one person to make multiple fake accounts to spread the same mis-information and harassment on this board. Mis-information, that if repeated enough times, appears to be the truth because it's been said so many times. When the people that are truly involved and know the inner circle truths speak up, they become ignored because they have not made the same statement more times than the hater. The demise of VIP is an example of how competition and hate can shut down a thriving, needed, innovative business.

Congrats to the hater with multiple accounts spreading false and mis-leading information on eliminating one competitor. This competitor has and will re-establish the business. You will not be aware of where, when or how. It will happen. Your efforts to shut down VIP and get business for yourself has been in vain. We know who you are, what you are doing. The mongers on this board take notes and are smart.[/QUOTE]Well said Sir Bishop. That is certainly a big part of it. There's other things that went into this decision, that I will not speak about on an open forum, but you nailed this part of it. And yes, most of us who participate on this board see right through it. It's the casual reader, who may not even have an account, who probably fall for this.

Mr MuffMan.

[QUOTE=SirBishop;5921903]It is indeed a sad day when competition begins to use the social media tactics of mis-information and shilling, techniques more commonly used by politicians, to belittle, badger, harass, confuse and mis-lead. The information shared in these forums is public, not protected by passwords or elite membership. It appears to anyone. What's worse? People believe this s**t without doing some basic research and the shills and fake posters know this fact. It only takes one person to make multiple fake accounts to spread the same mis-information and harassment on this board. Mis-information, that if repeated enough times, appears to be the truth because it's been said so many times. When the people that are truly involved and know the inner circle truths speak up, they become ignored because they have not made the same statement more times than the hater. The demise of VIP is an example of how competition and hate can shut down a thriving, needed, innovative business.

Congrats to the hater with multiple accounts spreading false and mis-leading information on eliminating one competitor. This competitor has and will re-establish the business. You will not be aware of where, when or how. It will happen. Your efforts to shut down VIP and get business for yourself has been in vain. We know who you are, what you are doing. The mongers on this board take notes and are smart.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=MrMuffMan;5921978]Well said Sir Bishop. That is certainly a big part of it. There's other things that went into this decision, that I will not speak about on an open forum, but you nailed this part of it. And yes, most of us who participate on this board see right through it. It's the casual reader, who may not even have an account, who probably fall for this..[/QUOTE]Let me also add that we're getting close to figuring out who's behind this. My friends and I aren't stupid, and we've complied some compelling evidence. I'm probably saying too much today, but The MuffMan is pissed off! OK, deep breaths.

Mr MuffMan.

Think the best thing to do is give the girls a visit NLBC and give them a welcome back session! Think an ATF is with them as well.

[QUOTE=MrMuffMan;5922316]Let me also add that we're getting close to figuring out who's behind this. My friends and I aren't stupid, and we've complied some compelling evidence. I'm probably saying too much today, but The MuffMan is pissed off! OK, deep breaths.

Mr MuffMan.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DeeeezNutss;5922361]Think the best thing to do is give the girls a visit NLBC and give them a welcome back session! Think an ATF is with them as well.[/QUOTE]Thanks Dee and don't worry, I see these girls everyday, trust me you have no idea. LOL.

Mr MuffMan.

[QUOTE=DeeeezNutss;5922361]Think the best thing to do is give the girls a visit NLBC and give them a welcome back session! Think an ATF is with them as well.[/QUOTE]The beauty of it is.

We get NLBC which is a great place. NLBC aka VIP#2 is so much safer, cleaner, and has much better security. Def a higher class version of the SV location.

It all worked out. Great girls and Mina and Lisa are coming back.

Cheers!

Poon tang is the definition of the pot calling the kettle black. As you've eluded to, other than agreeing or adding to others posts and relentlessly defending VIP, PTJ has contributed nothing. Let's not forgot his VIP remodel under construction and other false nonsense he's posted. E. g. This is my last post on stupid shit. LOL!

Some seem to forget that I've defended VIP on multiple occasions and I have nothing against these beautiful ladies or their spa. On the contrary, I support all working girls and spas, but also call out the BS. So what, they got busted like every FS spa on this forum has been busted at one time or another. The SV location was a shit pit of a spa and as far as I'm concerned it's a blessing in disguise as they've acquired several nicer spas. But it does go to show that location, amenities and an actual massage are of little importance to most mongers.

Support their new spas, all working girls and move on for crying out loud.

[QUOTE=TheDudeInSd;5885565]When you finally reach the age of 27 years old and can actually contribute something to this forum other than what happened in the ghetto of the homeless in Spring Valley please enlighten us and let us know. You have contributed nothing.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]

I appreciate learning about new things in other cultures, especially things that can help us connect with people and create good feelings. Thank you Ryan for sharing the romantic significance of May 20 and May 21 in the Chinese culture.

I think it's great to make the women feel good about the business, what they do with us, and to feel good about themselves overall. In fact, I encourage all of us to create good feelings all around. It is good for the business, the hobby, for the providers, and of course it's better for us.

If any monger wants to play the "I love you" "you love me" game with a provider that's fine, but to keep it real, it would be best to probably not share this special gesture with too many women at once. We know the women review this site, and they talk to each other, so sending a 5/20 message of "I love you" to multiple providers may get you a reply on 5/21, but I'm sure they think such a gesture to so many women is just a love struck puppy who is Fuck-Struck happy.

Passing out "red envelopes" for the holiday is different and I'm sure you can pass out as many as you want without them thinking it's anything but nice. But saying "I love you" to many providers at once is a little different when you consider it's being said to women who, probably have many men "in love" with them many times a day. I'm sure the compliments and offers they get after an amazing session would not be compete without being told "I love you" by a half joking thoroughly satisfied client.

We can say we "love them" but we need to be real about them replying they "love us. " If any client really thinks they "love" you see what you get if you stop paying. Don't pay directly, don't give gifts, don't take them on trips, and try to get some "love" with no payment at all. If she wants to be your girlfriend and gives you the goods for free, then by all means fall in love. If she still wants money for the honey, then, try not to fall too deeply in love, it will only break your heart. And probably your wallet too.

What's the first rule of mongering? "don't fall in love with a provider!

What's the first rule of being a provider? "don't get emotionally attached to any clients!

[QUOTE=MaximusKahn;5932798]If any monger wants to play the "I love you" "you love me" game with a provider that's fine, but to keep it real, it would be best to probably not share this special gesture with too many women at once. We know the women review this site, and they talk to each other, so sending a 5/20 message of "I love you" to multiple providers may get you a reply on 5/21, but I'm sure they think such a gesture to so many women is just a love struck puppy who is Fuck-Struck happy.
We can say we "love them" but we need to be real about them replying they "love us"
If any client really thinks they "love" you see what you get if you stop paying. Don't pay directly, don't give gifts, don't take them on trips, and try to get some "love" with no payment at all. If she wants to be your girlfriend and gives you the goods for free, then by all means fall in love. If she still wants money for the honey, then, try not to fall too deeply in love, it will only break your heart. And probably your wallet too.
What's the first rule of mongering? "don't fall in love with a provider!
What's the first rule of being a provider? "don't get emotionally attached to any clients![/QUOTE]When I was One and Twenty, I heard a Wiseman say;

"Give Pounds and Crowns and Rubys, -but not your Heart away”

Well, now I'm One and Sixty, and this I'll say to you.

Regarding what that Wiseman said; -it's True, it's True, it's True.

I brought up the 520 and 521 as a point of interest and in hopes some of you boys would make some of these Chinese working girls feel appreciated and acknowledged during these dates of Chinese affection. But it isn't so much if you know the significance of 520 with a Chinese woman, it's if they feel you are worthy of their attention during these Chinese Valentine days.

As I had mentioned in my original post concerning 520, if a Chinese girl brings these dates to your attention, they most likely have some interest in you. In fact this is how I discovered the significance of these dates in modern Chinese culture. Several Chinese ladies mentioned these dates to me. The juggling of multiple women is a whole other topic but I find honesty to be the best policy and if you can find women that accept you as a man *****, you've achieved nirvana IMO.

[QUOTE=MaximusKahn;5932798]I appreciate learning about new things in other cultures, especially things that can help us connect with people and create good feelings. Thank you Ryan for sharing the romantic significance of May 20 and May 21 in the Chinese culture.

I think it's great to make the women feel good about the business, what they do with us, and to feel good about themselves overall. In fact, I encourage all of us to create good feelings all around. It is good for the business, the hobby, for the providers, and of course it's better for us.

If any monger wants to play the "I love you" "you love me" game with a provider that's fine, but to keep it real, it would be best to probably not share this special gesture with too many women at once. We know the women review this site, and they talk to each other, so sending a 5/20 message of "I love you" to multiple providers may get you a reply on 5/21, but I'm sure they think such a gesture to so many women is just a love struck puppy who is Fuck-Struck happy.

Passing out "red envelopes" for the holiday is different and I'm sure you can pass out as many as you want without them thinking it's anything but nice. But saying "I love you" to many providers at once is a little different when you consider it's being said to women who, probably have many men "in love" with them many times a day. I'm sure the compliments and offers they get after an amazing session would not be compete without being told "I love you" by a half joking thoroughly satisfied client.

We can say we "love them" but we need to be real about them replying they "love us. " If any client really thinks they "love" you see what you get if you stop paying. Don't pay directly, don't give gifts, don't take them on trips, and try to get some "love" with no payment at all. If she wants to be your girlfriend and gives you the goods for free, then by all means fall in love. If she still wants money for the honey, then, try not to fall too deeply in love, it will only break your heart. And probably your wallet too.

What's the first rule of mongering? "don't fall in love with a provider!

What's the first rule of being a provider? "don't get emotionally attached to any clients![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DreamFreez;5962961]Those are HPV.

Human papillomavirus infection [URL]https://g.co/kgs/2B116Z[/URL].

If you have vaccine, you are safe against most HPV. I got my HPV vaccine back in 2017, I noticed similar spots on a Nuru massage girl, she had like 30-40 around the kitty, I got scared that I was going to get that shit, it spreads through skin-to-skin contact, I didn't see them on me which means the vaccine worked against it. You need to be below age 26 to get the vaccine though to see maximum benefit.

[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/hpv/parents/vaccine-for-hpv.html[/URL]

You will see them on or around your dick, Bill Burr has a stand up comedy bit about these spots on the New Netflix special that was released a few days back, its called Bill Burr presents: Friends who kill the joke starts around 3 minute mark[/QUOTE]False information.

HPV looks like a lesion has wider surface area on the outer skin.

Those are papules. Similar to skin tags. Harmless.

First off I would like to apologize if I ruffled anyone's feathers with my post. I am not trying to fight or cause harm to any mongers or girls. I just have some questions / thoughts on what is permitted to post on this website.

Multiple AMP spa girls have been known over the past few years to offer BBFS and it has been discussed on this website. Not until this week has anyone got upset about posting reviews on a review site concerning this? Without mentioning their specific names but made up names. 1) pixie haircut 2) Strawberry at you spa in LG 3) Yuyulemon at you spa in LG 4) Yella at L spa on EC Blvd. And the list goes on. I texted pixie purple this week as she is working up in Washington state and asked if it bothered her that customers know she offers this service and she texted back "no problem". I also texted YYLemon and she said "she offers it to who she feels comfortable with but denies many requests". The agency girls advertise "open minded with no guarantee" which means they may say "sorry honey need to use condom today". Many agency girls do not advertise BB but will offer it if they feel comfortable with you.

Just like when we ask a spa girl for a kiss, a BBBJ, CFS, or any other service and they say "sorry honey only HJ, or sorry honey only CBJ or sorry honey only blah blah". Bottom line is they say no to many requests each and every day. No big deal.

Again my apologies if I made a mistake with my reviews.

[QUOTE=TheDudeInSd;5964275]First off I would like to apologize if I ruffled anyone's feathers with my post. I am not trying to fight or cause harm to any mongers or girls. I just have some questions / thoughts on what is permitted to post on this website.

Multiple AMP spa girls have been known over the past few years to offer BBFS and it has been discussed on this website. Not until this week has anyone got upset about posting reviews on a review site concerning this? Without mentioning their specific names but made up names. 1) pixie haircut 2) Strawberry at you spa in LG 3) Yuyulemon at you spa in LG 4) Yella at L spa on EC Blvd. And the list goes on. I texted pixie purple this week as she is working up in Washington state and asked if it bothered her that customers know she offers this service and she texted back "no problem". I also texted YYLemon and she said "she offers it to who she feels comfortable with but denies many requests". The agency girls advertise "open minded with no guarantee" which means they may say "sorry honey need to use condom today". Many agency girls do not advertise BB but will offer it if they feel comfortable with you.

Just like when we ask a spa girl for a kiss, a BBBJ, CFS, or any other service and they say "sorry honey only HJ, or sorry honey only CBJ or sorry honey only blah blah". Bottom line is they say no to many requests each and every day. No big deal.

Again my apologies if I made a mistake with my reviews.[/QUOTE]Bravo, very well said! Thanks for throwing that out there.

I read your post and did not see anything malicious, rather you just sharing an opinion and experiences. My post about BBFS was not meant to be critical of yours, rather just sharing my opinion and experiences as well.

In general, if I think I'm going to post a report about a girl, I ask them if it's okay. So if they provided BBFS, I'm happy to share. That said, there only been one girl that didn't care about me posting BBFS. I don't recall if I actually mentioned it or not, but several other mongers did and I generally don't like to repeat what's already been reported.

Appreciate your consideration.

[QUOTE=TheDudeInSd;5964275]First off I would like to apologize if I ruffled anyone's feathers with my post. I am not trying to fight or cause harm to any mongers or girls. I just have some questions / thoughts on what is permitted to post on this website.

Multiple AMP spa girls have been known over the past few years to offer BBFS and it has been discussed on this website. Not until this week has anyone got upset about posting reviews on a review site concerning this? Without mentioning their specific names but made up names. 1) pixie haircut 2) Strawberry at you spa in LG 3) Yuyulemon at you spa in LG 4) Yella at L spa on EC Blvd. And the list goes on. I texted pixie purple this week as she is working up in Washington state and asked if it bothered her that customers know she offers this service and she texted back "no problem". I also texted YYLemon and she said "she offers it to who she feels comfortable with but denies many requests". The agency girls advertise "open minded with no guarantee" which means they may say "sorry honey need to use condom today". Many agency girls do not advertise BB but will offer it if they feel comfortable with you.

Just like when we ask a spa girl for a kiss, a BBBJ, CFS, or any other service and they say "sorry honey only HJ, or sorry honey only CBJ or sorry honey only blah blah". Bottom line is they say no to many requests each and every day. No big deal.

Again my apologies if I made a mistake with my reviews.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ryan1979;5966771]I read your post and did not see anything malicious, rather you just sharing an opinion and experiences. My post about BBFS was not meant to be critical of yours, rather just sharing my opinion and experiences as well.

In general, if I think I'm going to post a report about a girl, I ask them if it's okay. So if they provided BBFS, I'm happy to share. That said, there only been one girl that didn't care about me posting BBFS. I don't recall if I actually mentioned it or not, but several other mongers did and I generally don't like to repeat what's already been reported.

Appreciate your consideration.[/QUOTE]Ok cool and yes I guess that's a good idea going forward. Ask the spa girl if she is cool with it. The Korean agency girls mostly advertise so it's not a secret.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=MaximusKahn;5958355]I've noticed that a lot of the hobbyists who consistently post having a great time with the ladies seem to be the same guys who show respect, compassion, and a genuine interest in the ladies' wellbeing and their connection to them.

Hmmmmm. Imagine that. Maybe something to consider as we are out there trying to enjoy the hobby.[/QUOTE]Been on here for over a decade and rarely post. I've never disrespected anyone and have always had a good time. But to show a genuine interest in the ladies' well-being? Naw. I'll pass on that.

You going to ask Shirley out on a date or pay for her rent for the month? C'Mon. My white knighted brotha.

If this is too combative (although meant in jest) mods are welcome to not post.

I'm more along the lines of Max's opinion. I'd like to think I'm just one of many that have a genuine concern for these working girls well being, but I am aware that there are many of you that could give a rats ass other than your own pleasure from these girls.

To your point, you are helping them pay their rent when you pay for these working girls services. To my point, I have developed many good friendships with these working girls and spa owners where we take care of each other as friends with benefits as well as just good old friends sharing life's pleasures and troubles together.

To only know these working girls from a sexual perspective, you are only touching the surface of the beauty and depth that lies beneath their flesh. I know this sounds corny to you based on your post, but from the stories shared by these working girls, there are many mongers that wish they could have more than just the sex.

I have the most respect for mongers with reports that reflect a genuine interest in these working girls well being, even if I disagree with their taste in women and their expectations.

[QUOTE=AMPguy2;5981357]Been on here for over a decade and rarely post. I've never disrespected anyone and have always had a good time. But to show a genuine interest in the ladies' well-being? Naw. I'll pass on that.

You going to ask Shirley out on a date or pay for her rent for the month? C'Mon. My white knighted brotha.

If this is too combative (although meant in jest) mods are welcome to not post.[/QUOTE]

I believe there's always been a handful of mongers that were rewarded in some way for posting reports about spas and specific providers. A pass on the house fee, a freebie or discount on services, etc. Then there are the spa owners themselves that would create accounts and post their own reports attempting to promote their spas and girls. Most are painfully obvious with their lack of English and writing skills, but even newbies would read them and think WTF.

As of recent, when a flood of reports dominated this forum, even senior mongers would elude to "creative" marketing skills by a spa that need not be mentioned. My point is, it was during this time that this forum began being flooded with long detailed Penthouse forum type of reports. Sure there were always those fantasy stories shared every once in awhile, to relive and share an awesome experience, me included. But the sheer number of these types of reports currently seems to be the new normal.

I like supporting a good spa and girl as much as the next guy, but I don't usually bother repeating what several reports have already said. I've mentioned this before and I'm mentioning it again only because it's become painfully obvious to me. As you read some reports and some blatant white knighting for the slightest of criticisms towards a spa or girl, just know that some mongers are being paid healthy amounts for their reports.

For the record, I've been given a pass on a house fee from time to time, but never asked for and never for an expected report. More so for being a good customer that treats the girls and spa owners / managers well. I've been offered healthy amounts of cash for reports and have always refused. I'm still treated with respect and appreciation by the spa owners and girls and I suspect a bit more respect then you poor saps that need the money more than integrity.

Just my 2 cents.

[QUOTE=Ryan1979;5982255]

I like supporting a good spa and girl as much as the next guy, but I don't usually bother repeating what several reports have already said. I've mentioned this before and I'm mentioning it again only because it's become painfully obvious to me.
[/QUOTE]I like those guys who write those reviews, and I like those spas, but yes, I agree. We don't need a hundredth report on Eva or Mina! I've created the FS subforum to try and create space in the massage forum for what that forum was originally about: places to go get a real massage and a happy ending. Talking about 108/ VIP / NLBC / Diamond / Smile etc in there is silly as those girls aren't usually real massage girls and FS is guaranteed.

I will admit that I became self conscious reading your post, because I frequently post about two particular spas.

Speaking only for myself, I can guarantee I have never been paid for a review or offered a discount or any special service. I would say the only "special" thing I receive, and not for my reviews, is a heads up when a new girl is coming. I have been asked to write a review without seeing a girl, and I have always refused (but I have never been offered money or sex! That might have changed things haha).

[QUOTE=Waylay;5984186]I like those guys who write those reviews, and I like those spas, but yes, I agree. We don't need a hundredth report on Eva or Mina! I've created the FS subforum to try and create space in the massage forum for what that forum was originally about: places to go get a real massage and a happy ending. Talking about 108/ VIP / NLBC / Diamond / Smile etc in there is silly as those girls aren't usually real massage girls and FS is guaranteed.

I will admit that I became self conscious reading your post, because I frequently post about two particular spas.

Speaking only for myself, I can guarantee I have never been paid for a review or offered a discount or any special service. I would say the only "special" thing I receive, and not for my reviews, is a heads up when a new girl is coming. I have been asked to write a review without seeing a girl, and I have always refused (but I have never been offered money or sex! That might have changed things haha).[/QUOTE]Self conscious? Waylay, bro you are a respected member and always offer great intel / guidance / recommendations. Why give a shit what some of these guys think. Even if you only reviewed one spa, you will still be respected by mongers because your reviews would be honest and the girls with the positive reviews would all be incredible, and you would never discouraged anyone from going to their competitions. I can always rely on your reviews on the 2 spas, independents, non FS spas if that's where I am visiting.

Also, shout out to these other mongers for their intel and making this FUN!

If I am looking for intel about spas. I would look for your reviews, as well as those from PTJohnny, Mr. Muffman, CuriousJo8, FsSDMon. And of course Blue Sky Blue the one who got me to signed up.

If I want to know about Independents I would look for posts from. JackeRouac, Lion1, SDFitLife, Heywood, AJaxer11, BigChopper.

If I want HX, Asian agencies and FS escorts- Sir Bishop, IslandFan, Kwaze, SDPewPew, The Ass Man.

All these other gentlemen for everything else. LOL- Dog Rice, Stupitt, Denutss, DragonWolf, RolfTorren.

Thanks fellas! Happy mongering and stay safe.

[QUOTE=Ryan1979;5982255]I believe there's always been a handful of mongers that were rewarded in some way for posting reports about spas and specific providers. A pass on the house fee, a freebie or discount on services, etc. Then there are the spa owners themselves that would create accounts and post their own reports attempting to promote their spas and girls. Most are painfully obvious with their lack of English and writing skills, but even newbies would read them and think WTF.

As of recent, when a flood of reports dominated this forum, even senior mongers would elude to "creative" marketing skills by a spa that need not be mentioned. My point is, it was during this time that this forum began being flooded with long detailed Penthouse forum type of reports. Sure there were always those fantasy stories shared every once in awhile, to relive and share an awesome experience, me included. But the sheer number of these types of reports currently seems to be the new normal.

I like supporting a good spa and girl as much as the next guy, but I don't usually bother repeating what several reports have already said. I've mentioned this before and I'm mentioning it again only because it's become painfully obvious to me. As you read some reports and some blatant white knighting for the slightest of criticisms towards a spa or girl, just know that some mongers are being paid healthy amounts for their reports..[/QUOTE]Right on. There are 50+ spas that are FS anyway. As they say $$ talk.

I like these spas too and most of their girls. The long winded reports used to be entertaining but not when they comprise of the majority of reports. Then you have the members that will repost the whole novel with something short to add to their reports count and earn their pay with something like "I agree. " Also becoming ever so popular is the tagging of several reports to reply to. Sigh.

Note the popular mongers that didn't defend themselves. Take a good hard look at their history and recent trends. Some previously sincere members have unfortunately been corrupted. Know that these members not only make up pseudo reports, but also try to paint themselves as players, usually lying about their age and out of spa escapades. But there are also many truths to these reports, fake or not, so take all posts with a grain of salt. I still like to check out some reports for myself, which usually separates the shills from the sincere.

I took a little heat from the spas that pay these mongers for their posts. They've shared who these members are though I'm not going to reveal for the sake of the spas, but I think it's pretty obvious. When the spas contacted me about this post, I told them plain and simple, I don't like you paying these fuckers to post shill reports for you. All of them said the same thing; all the spas are doing it so we have to or lose business.

I told them they don't need to. Let the reports happen organically like they used to, but the feeling is they will not stop until the other spas stop paying for these shill reports. How much some of you wonder? I've been offered between $500 and a $1000+/ month as well as paid accounts on RubMaps and other forums / websites that have reviews.

There are even some mongers with the nerve to ask to be paid for reports or do the opposite with straight out blackmail reporting to the police if not paid in some way. To the blackmailers, we have your numbers and most times your picture and plates. They've been distributed to many spas and working girls. In case you haven't noticed, you didn't close any of them or cost them the thousands you threatened as opposed to paying you off. If a spa closed that you threatened, it was not due to you, it was other circumstances. If a spa payed you for your blackmail, it's only because I didn't know them or you would be in my radar.

The good news is there are many hidden treasures out there that many of us like for their laid back, no rush services. They work harder to please because they do not succumb to paying for fake shill reports. I don't mind keeping them under the radar, but you know how to get a hold of me if you'd care to know some of these hidden treasures.

Number one rule always applies, if you don't like what you see or not feeling it, walk away. If you choose to stay, it's on you not whatever report influenced you.

[QUOTE=Waylay;5984186]I like those guys who write those reviews, and I like those spas, but yes, I agree. We don't need a hundredth report on Eva or Mina! I've created the FS subforum to try and create space in the massage forum for what that forum was originally about: places to go get a real massage and a happy ending. Talking about 108/ VIP / NLBC / Diamond / Smile etc in there is silly as those girls aren't usually real massage girls and FS is guaranteed.

I will admit that I became self conscious reading your post, because I frequently post about two particular spas.

Speaking only for myself, I can guarantee I have never been paid for a review or offered a discount or any special service. I would say the only "special" thing I receive, and not for my reviews, is a heads up when a new girl is coming. I have been asked to write a review without seeing a girl, and I have always refused (but I have never been offered money or sex! That might have changed things haha).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ryan1979;5985522] I like these spas too and most of their girls. The long winded reports used to be entertaining but not when they comprise of the majority of reports. Then you have the members that will repost the whole novel with something short to add [/QUOTE]The reports are entertaining, but I've been finding myself lately quoting GySgt Hartman. .

"You think you are Mickey Spillane?" LOL.

[QUOTE=Jaguar300ZX;5989431]I actually do have reviews for NLBC here in this forum. I have seen Sunny, Apple, and Cici at NLBC (VIP2).Go back and read my posts. And my resource is a publicly available website called; Crimemapping.Com[/QUOTE]I went back and looked at your 56 posts as you suggested, not one was a review for any of the girls from VIP, VIP2 or NLBC. LOL.

The posts do paint a clear picture!

[QUOTE=RChangDatyKing;5989808]I went back and looked at your 56 posts as you suggested, not one was a review for any of the girls from VIP, VIP2 or NLBC. LOL.
The posts do paint a clear picture![/QUOTE]
Post #19043.
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4989-Massage-Parlor-Reports&p=5960466&viewfull=1#post5960466

[QUOTE=Jaguar300ZX;5960466]O-M-G, I wonder if this is the same 'Sunny' that worked at NLBC back in late March of this year!?
I had an awesome session with her!
4 ft-11 in tall, Big Fake D-cup boobies, (cartoonishly oversized for her frame) sweet tasting baby-smooth Kitty, Very Pretty Face & Light-Brown dyed Hair. Perfectly proportioned body shape (Spank-Bank worthy).
She Licks & Kisses everything, then the "Ten-Thousand Tongue Turbo Hurricane-BBBJ", followed by CFS Asian-CG, & Rev-CG.
Then finished in DATY-69 with BBBJCIM.
Only downside was in 69, her frame is so short that every time I pulled her pussy up to my tongue, her mouth would separate from my dick. (I'm 6 ft-1in to her 4 ft-11in) 30 min HF =$60 / Extra Tip =$160 with no drama.
I would repeat with her again without hesitation.
I really hope she is the OG Sunny!![/QUOTE]
Post #108.
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?34196-V-i-p&p=5964498[/URL]#post5964498.

[QUOTE=Jaguar300ZX;5964498]I stopped into the Old VIP1 on Friday morning at about brunch-time, And Yes, it is Open -but just barely.
I walked right past the old homeless man who mumlbles to himself, strait into a slightly improved front lobby.
Improved only by the new metal security door that all AMP's use to seperate Business from Pleasure.
But it only offers some privacy, because you can still see strait thru the metal mesh down the hallway.
Business was slow, with only one girl working today, named Alisa, (pronouced 'A-Liz-a' -not 'A-Lee-cia')
I must've caught her off guard as she was actually in the kitchen cooking, and had to dash into the Manager's office for a quick outfit change.
Her spoken English is passable, but a few misspellings in her written English.
She escorted me down the hall to Rm. #5 on the right, and I was offered Half-Hour or One-Hour.
(Oh-Wow, -an entire hour! -that would've been unheard of during VIP1's former glory).
She asked me if I had been there before, I replied Yes and I mentioned Daisy, Lisa, & Jojo as my prior conquests, but she seemed unphased by any of VIP's Hall-of-Fame A-List.
I'm guessing that the new owners & staff are unrelated to the former ownership, so I just paid $50 for 30-Min's and assumed the position.
She started off very professional, asking Hard? Or Soft?, Do you want Oil Yes?/ No?, Blah-blah-blah.
(I'm really not used to these long introductions at VIP1, I mean normally I'd be waist-deep in Breast's, Asses, & Vagina's within the first 5-Min's here).
Ok, I get it, she wants some reassurances that I'm a safe customer, because my nefarious reputation does not proceede me here under the new management.
So I ask her to spray my hands with her bottle of Alcohol (so that I can grope her Ass in a sanitary fashion to pass her LE check).
I know they appreciate these little attemps at cleanliness. So, after wipeing my hands dry, I immeadiatly flip over and ask her "How about Junior?
She looks at me puzzled for a moment, but I quickly relieve her suspiscions by gliding my hand up underneath her dress to cup and fondle her Ass Cheeks without any protest from her.
I'm pleasently surprised to discover that she goes Commando.
Ok its Game-On, and now were cool with each other.
She then asks "What would you like? And how much you Tip?
It's been a long week for me and I'm not feeling too energetic, so I just request to be serviced without working up a sweat.
I request the basic, DATY-69 w / BBBJ, with CFS Asian-CG finish. And I offer her $140, she aggrees quickly without an issue.
Off with her one-piece dress, she's full-figured, -but not chubby, Soft Youthful skin, Natural D-Cup, Clean Smelling, Trimmed Kitty, Cute Face (she wears glasses, but not during the session).
I'd put her age at 31-34, and she likes it when you to fondle her boobs.
Now the weird part, I asked her if she had a Business Card with the AMP's Name & Phone number, and she said "No Business Cards, No Names, and no plans to get any" . WTH!?
But she then pulls out her phone and shows me the phone number on a cut-off image of a different AMP's Business Card. . WTH!?
She then tells me that the Phone number is for a Different AMP in SV which she is going to refer me to, and tells me to ask for 'Jenny'.
Then she gives me her personal Phone Number with a L. A. Area code, and the hand-written address of the other AMP in SV.
I get the feeling that that there's no intention to develop the talent at this spot, which is just riding upon the reputation of its prior success, and diverting customers to their other AMP (5-Star) only until the lease at this location runs out.[/QUOTE]

I think that I am shareing pretty good information here on the forum, so maybe instead of making public accusations you should contact me via PM

[QUOTE=Jaguar300ZX;5990043]Post #19043.
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4989-Massage-Parlor-Reports&p=5960466&viewfull=1#post5960466


Post #108.
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?34196-V-i-p&p=5964498[/URL]#post5964498.
[/QUOTE]I am glad that you reposted those reviews. You're one of the better reviewers on here and feel that your reviews are honest and are not being compensated. Keep up the great work.

I don't always agree with all of your posts, but it's clear to me that you are being sincere.

There are those that use this forum to share sincere info, those that shill, have some fun, relive amazing experiences, supporting their favorite spas and girls, etc. . .

Then you've got those whose life exists on these forums. Keyboard kings. The member with the most posts is the king, if only in their minds. Then you've got the members that like jerking each other off by reposting their butt buddies reports with additional words of love and admiration.

It's all entertaining to me. Personally, I enjoy reading and adding my two cents most while sitting on the can. Some reports really inspire a good shit. LOL!

Be safe, support these working girls and enjoy life.

[QUOTE=Jaguar300ZX;5990043]Post #19043.
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4989-Massage-Parlor-Reports&p=5960466&viewfull=1#post5960466

Post #108.
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?34196-V-i-p&p=5964498[/URL]#post5964498.

I think that I am shareing pretty good information here on the forum, so maybe instead of making public accusations you should contact me via PM[/QUOTE]

Yes it is true, I tend to be a bit quixotic at times.

If by treating women right, speaking of treating women right, and encouraging mongers to treat women right makes me a White Knight, well I guess that I'm a White Knight.

I can live with that.

Believe me, I've been called much worse. And that is by very reliable sources who know what they're talking about. Max.

Well sir, there is the true definition of a "white knight" and you have the forum's version of a white knight.

I think most know the difference and I strive to fall within your definition.

If you're going to be quixotic, your way is most noble.

Respect!

[QUOTE=MaximusKahn;5991549]Yes it is true, I tend to be a bit quixotic at times.

If by treating women right, speaking of treating women right, and encouraging mongers to treat women right makes me a White Knight, well I guess that I'm a White Knight.

I can live with that.

Believe me, I've been called much worse. And that is by very reliable sources who know what they're talking about. Max.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheDudeInSd;5967278]Ok cool and yes I guess that's a good idea going forward. Ask the spa girl if she is cool with it. The Korean agency girls mostly advertise so it's not a secret.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Know that the agency or spa advertises whatever they think will entice the reader, not what the provider may actually allow. I'm sure many have experienced this conflict of what's advertised as opposed to what's actually provided.

If at a new place with a new girl, I treated it like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're going to get, but once you get a little bite, the rest is up to you to enjoy it or spit it out.

Can we just have a thread for the guys that get paid from 108,7 Spa, and Diamond on Hillcrest?

I mean there are basically 3 guys that are getting paid and leaving these 7 paragraph reviews of these 3 shops. I personally have left about 125 reviews outside of Cris. I have been offered money to leave reviews, but why would I do it when I have a private practice in infectious disease and I'm about to retire. I'm not looking for money. I've never taken a penny and I don't think it's fair to leave an honest review.

So again, can we just create a thread for Poontang, the muffguy, and somebody they call the king for their 3 shops?

I am not sure what it takes to create a thread, can somebody please let me know so that we can get back to honest reviews?

Thanks.

Scored another Genuine BBFS with a girl from 108. She already left SD so I won't disclose the name, but man, it always feels so amazing when girls straight want to fuck me raw without even a hesitation. She began teasing me with "just the tip" play while she was on top of me, DFKing vigorously. Had her laid on the table and gave her the oral service she deserved. Less than 5 minutes in, she begged me to kiss her again and the she basically grabbed my dick and put it inside her moist pussy. After making her cum twice from non-stop pounding in MISH, she begged me to cum but not inside. Pulled my dick out and shoot my load all over her body. Hell, shit even made it all the way to her chin LOL. I helped her get clean, and she pretty much collapsed in my arms and enjoyed her little 20 minute nap. She said she might come back in August but I will most likely pay her visit in LA soon. This girl was beyond addicting. Probably the best GFE experience in my 10+ years of mongering in San Diego.

Glad you posted this under "Stupid Shit" where it belongs. Nice fantasy though.

[QUOTE=SDJaziKing;5994875]Scored another Genuine BBFS with a girl from 108. She already left SD so I won't disclose the name, but man, it always feels so amazing when girls straight want to fuck me raw without even a hesitation. She began teasing me with "just the tip" play while she was on top of me, DFKing vigorously. Had her laid on the table and gave her the oral service she deserved. Less than 5 minutes in, she begged me to kiss her again and the she basically grabbed my dick and put it inside her moist pussy. After making her cum twice from non-stop pounding in MISH, she begged me to cum but not inside. Pulled my dick out and shoot my load all over her body. Hell, shit even made it all the way to her chin LOL. I helped her get clean, and she pretty much collapsed in my arms and enjoyed her little 20 minute nap. She said she might come back in August but I will most likely pay her visit in LA soon. This girl was beyond addicting. Probably the best GFE experience in my 10+ years of mongering in San Diego.[/QUOTE]