Tips, Tricks, Arguing, and Bullshit

[QUOTE=Josh88;2447104]I have no doubt that her photos are real. It's the "hott!" part that may come into question, especially since you added "she is not ugly". There is a big gap between seeing a girl and saying to yourself "she is hott!" or saying to yourself " she is not ugly". IMO, she is not hot. Regardless, the amount of business she does is going to depend on her performance. What can you tell us about her performance? DFK, DATY, BBBJCIM, etc. ?

[URL]http://columbus.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/brand-new-veronica-ultimate-playmate/22139175[/URL][/QUOTE]I like her that's all I care about. As for what we did my business. I don't have to prove anything to you. That guy said she was ugly. That's why I said that. She is hotter in my opinion. Then who do you think is hotter! Mila that charges $300 a visit but stays in a nasty hotel on Brice rd. Has bad breath like she was sucking cock all day!

[QUOTE=BigBlink15;2447333]She is super hotter! Yeah her in call is creepy but worth it.[/QUOTE]Who is she super hotter than? Who are you comparing her to? IMO, she should remove that pic in the Hooters outfit that reveals her baby pouch. The other pics look ok.

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[QUOTE=BigBlink15;2447303]So it's a matter of opinion I think she looks hot and has a nice booty! That's her! Fishy nothing your a hater. So other people like her and you have a problem with her what your problem with there are you a woman hater you don't like women you're the only one same somethings wrong with her there's been three other guys that said something good about her on here you want to start drama can't let it go get a life MoveOn.[/QUOTE]I have never read a monger post with such emotion and judgemental about men hating women. Interesting indeed. I do suggest we take these issues to the tips, arguments, section. Just saying.

[QUOTE=GhostRider50;2447582]I have never read a monger post with such emotion and judgemental about men hating women. Interesting indeed. I do suggest we take these issues to the tips, arguments, section. Just saying.[/QUOTE]We are in the right forum. Sorry guys, senior moment.

[QUOTE=BigBlink15;2447382]I like her that's all I care about. As for what we did my business. I don't have to prove anything to you. That guy said she was ugly. That's why I said that. She is hotter in my opinion. Then who do you think is hotter! Mila that charges $300 a visit but stays in a nasty hotel on Brice rd. Has bad breath like she was sucking cock all day![/QUOTE]I try to avoid superlatives like "hot" because when it comes down to it, none of these BP girls are hot. I don't delude myself into thinking I am doing hot girls for 80-150 a pop. However, I do have my standards and won't pay for anything I wouldn't have done for free when I was in my 20's. I have done a few, girls that would pass the hot test, but for a higher price. Maybe one 9 in my long monger career and a handful of 8's. Based on her photos, I would say that Mila is much more attractive than Veronica. I could go into detail, but I don't want to offend anyone. IMO, I would not say Mila is hot either. What a girl charges or how she performs is totally separate from her looks. I've been ripped off by a few girls that were close to being hot, but being ripped off doesn't make them any less attractive. Providing details about your experience is not to prove anything, it to share information to help your fellow mongers make decisions. I for one, would probably not see a girl if everything was covered and there was not DFK or DATY on the menu, unless the price was very low and I found her very attractive.

[QUOTE=BigBlink15;2447382]I like her that's all I care about. As for what we did my business. I don't have to prove anything to you. That guy said she was ugly. That's why I said that. She is hotter in my opinion. Then who do you think is hotter! Mila that charges $300 a visit but stays in a nasty hotel on Brice rd. Has bad breath like she was sucking cock all day![/QUOTE]She has been sucking cock all day.

[QUOTE=BigBlink15;2447382]I like her that's all I care about. As for what we did my business. I don't have to prove anything to you. That guy said she was ugly. That's why I said that. She is hotter in my opinion. Then who do you think is hotter! Mila that charges $300 a visit but stays in a nasty hotel on Brice rd. Has bad breath like she was sucking cock all day![/QUOTE]If your not willing to provide a report, why are you here? The whole purpose of this site is to write reports and help your fellow mongers. As far as I am concerned, you have no credibility and I will take the word of a trusted senior member on this board, who provides feedback over someone with a few post who has the attitude that its none of our business what you did. If you do not want to kiss and tell, your on the wrong website, because that is what we do here, we kiss and tell so others can be informed.

[QUOTE=BigBlink15;2447303]you a woman hater you don't like women.[/QUOTE]So just because Columbus72 doesn't find her hot with a nice booty, he's a woman hater? Where's the logic in that? I suppose anyone who doesn't vote for Hillary is a woman hater and a sexist too?

[QUOTE=BigBlink15;2447333]She is super hotter! Yeah her in call is creepy but worth it.[/QUOTE]She is hot for a trailer park Lolita junkie, which is what she is. I would hit it. But FLOG. Not at that incall. Always pass on her because of it. Freakin nasty, Worse than creepy. But super hot? Way off.

As for the rest of your observations on here. Yeah I remember my first hooker too.

[QUOTE=BigBlink15;2446836]I am telling you I seen her. She looks like her pictures and is hott! I asked her and she said he was trying to get over on her. He was a plumber and had as shit over him. Go see her for yourself. I am just saying what I seen. She is not ugly.[/QUOTE]Yeah she is hot. LOL Hot mess. She alright but not hot. Lolol.

[QUOTE=BigBlink15;2446836]I am telling you I seen her. She looks like her pictures and is hott![/QUOTE]Yeah, if that is so hott! You must have been stuck on the west side of Columbus in the middle of Ohio for way too long.

I paid a visit to a provider that advertised she was open minded. I found that she had a lot of things on her no list.

Things on her no list:

No CIM.

No COF.

No Anal.

To me, all those things are fair game for being open minded.

I was able to enjoy BBBJ, Russian, CG, doggy and mish.

What are your thoughts about what open minded means?

[QUOTE=MrMikeCols;2497874]I paid a visit to a provider that advertised she was open minded. I found that she had a lot of things on her no list.

Things on her no list:

No CIM.

No COF.

No Anal.

To me, all those things are fair game for being open minded.

I was able to enjoy BBBJ, Russian, CG, doggy and mish.

What are your thoughts about what open minded means?[/QUOTE]Terms like "open minded" and "fetish friendly" are just bullshit statements to pull hobbyists in. They know you're not supposed to ask specifics so when you read open minded and think cim what they are thinking is easy pickens or you read fetish friendly and think anal they think foot fetish.

[QUOTE=Minnanon;2502587]All this talk about pricing (me included).

Come on, I know one of you guys has the double-secret provider list.

You know, the one where all the girls:

1. Look like Sienna Miller in her prime.

2. Bang like Sasha Grey.

3. Cost less per hour than a dinner for two at Applebee's.

If you would just stop holding out, we could end all this nonsense.[/QUOTE]I decided to move this over since I wasn't adding anything to a BP review just my. 02.

I have a list of 6 at all times that fit this description, maybe not literally but it's not a secret list either, a friend list as far as I'm concerned. I would say they are semi-retired ladies that have remained in contact with me because I was always respectful, treated them nice or so they say. Not sure why but they don't want their number given out because I've asked, got the please don't response multiple times because I asked.

The donation requirements have dropped too since for the most part their drug habit is retired too, double bonus. Members here sometimes ask about some of them but they have no interest in getting back into the game full time I suspect, one goes to Columbus State and looks way better than before and charges a fraction of what she could get before.

Sometimes the phone rings out of the blue from an old friend I haven't seen in a long time, I have had a lot of luck in this department but not sure exactly why. I've also lucked into several UTR Ladies that fit the same description, all to be had for under a Benjamin, again not looking to be famous on the internet / no reviews please, don't give out my number etc. Another one I know took her ads down fast when she received 150 calls and 73 text messages in 12 hours after taking the plunge to place an ad, I call it luck as she told me only a few came through myself being one, she won't place another ad or so she says. To pay more than $ these days I'd the say you aren't spending enough FREE time on the hunt. There are literally thousands of girls in Columbus on any given day looking to play. I thought at one time I'the never say it but BP is over played IMHO. I'm not paying 300 or 200 or 150 for a so called hot chick to do me at a bed bug infested flea dive out east, neither should you but I don't care if you do. With the quantity of ladies available it's a buyers' market IMO $ tops for as long as you want GFE Greek being the exception is ALL you should be paying. If your new at this then I get it.

[QUOTE=Spinman;2502707] I'd the say you aren't spending enough FREE time on the hunt. There are literally thousands of girls in Columbus on any given day looking to play. I thought at one time I'the never say it but BP is over played IMHO. I'm not paying 300 or 200 or 150 for a so called hot chick to do me at a bed bug infested flea dive out east, neither should you but I don't care if you do. With the quantity of ladies available it's a buyers' market IMO $ tops for as long as you want GFE Greek being the exception is ALL you should be paying. If your new at this then I get it.[/QUOTE]I never was a fan of CL when it was the place, or BP in Columbus. Maybe because there are other venues, it seems most of the CMH BP girls are one half step from the stroll. Whereas in other cities I've seen a wider range of quality on BP.

I've been mostly seeing 3 regulars. Two are on the independent site, one semi-retired UTR. My rates are grandfathered and I also usually do multi-hours. So my per hour ends up at 150-250 depending on which girl and the session length.

I've been doing this since all of this discussion was on usenet, not a web site. But I also just started branching out from my 3 regulars, looking for new talent. I've had some success with the Sugar Daddy sites, but it's a fair amount of work, and I don't have tons of free time to spend. Suggestions on where else to look besides BP, the known hooker boards, and the SD sites would be appreciated.

[QUOTE=Spinman;2502707]I decided to move this over since I wasn't adding anything to a BP review just my. 02.

I have a list of 6 at all times that fit this description, maybe not literally but it's not a secret list either, a friend list as far as I'm concerned. I would say they are semi-retired ladies that have remained in contact with me because I was always respectful, treated them nice or so they say. Not sure why but they don't want their number given out because I've asked, got the please don't response multiple times because I asked.

The donation requirements have dropped too since for the most part their drug habit is retired too, double bonus. Members here sometimes ask about some of them but they have no interest in getting back into the game full time I suspect, one goes to Columbus State and looks way better than before and charges a fraction of what she could get before.

Sometimes the phone rings out of the blue from an old friend I haven't seen in a long time, I have had a lot of luck in this department but not sure exactly why. I've also lucked into several UTR Ladies that fit the same description, all to be had for under a Benjamin, again not looking to be famous on the internet / no reviews please, don't give out my number etc. Another one I know took her ads down fast when she received 150 calls and 73 text messages in 12 hours after taking the plunge to place an ad, I call it luck as she told me only a few came through myself being one, she won't place another ad or so she says. To pay more than $ these days I'd the say you aren't spending enough FREE time on the hunt. There are literally thousands of girls in Columbus on any given day looking to play. I thought at one time I'the never say it but BP is over played IMHO. I'm not paying 300 or 200 or 150 for a so called hot chick to do me at a bed bug infested flea dive out east, neither should you but I don't care if you do. With the quantity of ladies available it's a buyers' market IMO $ tops for as long as you want GFE Greek being the exception is ALL you should be paying. If your new at this then I get it.[/QUOTE]Yea. Not sure what that guy was going on about with the Sienna Miller / Sasha Grey reference. That guy and Bustercapp are insinuating that price and service are related. So the more you pay the better the experience apparently. Experience, a completely subjective event. If that's the case why not pay $1000 at the moonlight bunny ranch for mommy bellies, fake nails and hair extensions?

Why not pay $1,000,000 like Tiger Woods allegedly did for the greatest orgasm of your life? LOL, That clown talked about laws of economics. If we pay McDonalds workers $15 an hour then we will get much better service.

No more cold coffee or fries. Ford vs Merc? Really? I thought service was the analogy? In that case they both get from point A to point B.

A Mustang or Shelby, Maybe reflashed Focus ST should be able to match the speed of your typical Merc at literally half the cost or less. Merc interiors are supremely overrated and tend to be at the lower scale in the class that they compete in. Overpriced, over-engineered German Garbage.

And whos to say that every guy has a problem with mommy bellies?

Maybe some guys like their women with big butts as opposed to just back, legs and some bolt ons?

Maybe some guys prefer a little sleaze, a little white trashy as opposed to extremely Photoshopped over the top "artsy" photography? Supply and demand? LOL get bent. The most abundant and oldest service on the planet that requires no real specialized skill all of a sudden has a service / price correlation? Because coke ****** are better than needle ******?

If I overpay for anything I'm annoyed, as I should be. So if I convince myself that only $300 ****** can give me the greatest experience ever then it must be true, otherwise it defies logic right?

[QUOTE=JCags100;2503271]Yea. Not sure what that guy was going on about with the Sienna Miller / Sasha Grey reference. [/QUOTE]It was a joke, poking fun at everyone (me included) arguing about pricing. And I'm not the person making car analogies. What I said was:

[QUOTE=Minnanon;2498195] But the tendency for me, in Columbus, has been for QOS to go up with price. Now there may not be causality. I tend to pick my higher end ladies from places where they have lots of reviews from reviewers who are known quantities. [/QUOTE]Notice the "for me", and that I'm admitting my sample of high end gals is not random.

I see a range of women. And if you go back a couple of years here, you'll find a bunch of reviews on BP girls. But I didn't have a ton of great experiences. But as long as we ARE making car comparisons, on BP, for every Focus ST I've found, I've test driven 8 or 10 Yugos.

And sure, a Yugo, or a Focus ST, or a 911 will get you to the grocery store. But sometimes you want to run the Dragon. And for me at least, rather than hunt through the classifieds trying to find a modded Focus ST amidst the sea of used econo boxes, I'd rather just go to Byers and grab a new GT3. That's me. But when I express my experience, somehow, it's not my subjective experience, it's that I'm butthurt because I overpaid. Got it.

A couple of closing rambles (well three).

1. I was not being flip when I asked Spinman for advice. I do see a couple of $ priced young ones when I just want a straightforward pop. I found them on SA, and that's more work than I want to put in. If there is a better venue, I am all ears. I am happy to pay less than $$$ an hour. I have not found a reliable source of new Mustangs to replace my 911s, or I would.

2. If price is all that matters (or at least the biggest factor) and it's "the most abundant and oldest service on the planet that requires no real specialized skill" why are we even discussing which girls are worth seeing at $. Pick one at random. Hell, why aren't we all just doing fat chicks for free. Because even my ugly middle-aged ass can score 3 of those a week.

3. For the record, before someone accuses me of being a lover of Overpriced, over-engineered German Garbage, my daily driver is a 2011 Imprezza (stock). My fun rides are currently a tweaked 08 Forester XT I bought used from a buddy that rallies, and a beater 2002 pickup, depending on what kind of fun the weekend has in store.

[QUOTE=Josh88;2447104]I have no doubt that her photos are real. It's the "hott!" part that may come into question, especially since you added "she is not ugly". There is a big gap between seeing a girl and saying to yourself "she is hott!" or saying to yourself " she is not ugly". IMO, she is not hot. Regardless, the amount of business she does is going to depend on her performance. What can you tell us about her performance? DFK, DATY, BBBJCIM, etc. ?

[URL]http://columbus.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/brand-new-veronica-ultimate-playmate/22139175[/URL][/QUOTE]I guess it's a matter of opinion but I agree with Josh, she's NOT hott.

I took the joke for what is was, really just referring to the secret list that I think most veteran members have if they were honest then threw in my. 02 about current trends / recent topics about BP and pricing etc.

I don't give a shit what type of girls anyone prefers or how much they pay that's your biz and the statement made about BP from another member here was: BP is nothing more than a bunch of SW's with internet access. That's the most accurate statement said about BP in a long time IMHO, I liked that short and sweet.

Over the years I have on plenty occasions paid what I thought was too much and didn't find price improved performance with two exceptions.

One is Maras that was beyond a P.S. Experience. I mean the chick gets out this duffle bag full of toys and I had one in every hole at one point and she was going crazy, it was a long session but for $$. 5 it was WAY worth it. I never went back, just can't top that, now she's asking $$ $. I don't know if it was just a freaky day for her or what but DAMN top five wildest sessions I'll ever have in 7 lifetimes.

The other isn't running an ad but sometimes she's on EROS can't remember her name but not currently posting and asks $$ $, she was at a very upscale Cols location, a mature lady but it was a one of a kind experience / worth it but never repeated with her either. If she ever posts an ad again I'll put it up in the Escort section.

If I'm traveling I'll pay more to eliminate the chase so I go with a sure thing price doesn't matter to me then, it has kept frustration to a minimum IMHO, but if I think I can find a bargain on a sure thing even when traveling that's the way I'll go.

Paying a higher donation does NOT GAURENTEE better PERFORMANCE or service now or in the past, that's a fact not an opinion, almost thirty years' experience and it doesn't work like that and it never will. The best experiences I've had were typically under $. 5 but most less than that. You're not driving up my prices either I don't think like that, we're good, pay what you want. I think what everyone gets confused with on this topic is mixing that they deliver an experience more consistently across the board maybe or with less drama, it might be an easier search with less RISK but fuck better suck better or are a better ACTRESS, deliver the WOW factor more than the others? NO sorry not the case. Get a high end hooker on a bad day for her the results are exactly the same, you're not having fun.

At the end of the day they want one thing MONEY and we want PUSSY don't get twisted. Why guys get caught up in love and shit is something I'll never understand. You're a number / trick / date / client, just another ugly fucker with a cock that wants to fuck. They want your money, they aren't fucking you for free and stop thinking this is something it's not, this isn't eHarmony.

I don't know of a secret board that's out there but as far as the indy site I think Minnanon is referring to IMHO is a BAD place to visit or shop for talent, I always said meet and greets were a BAD idea. I find it funny guys still think everything is fine there, to each his own, end of story there.

SB SD seems like it might work but never tried. FB I think is the future with tumbler showing promise but I'm just guessing. Something will fill the void from an advertisement standpoint, the demand will never go down and the supply continues to grow more and more every day. More women are thinking a little cock for a little money isn't a bad thing, after all they've been giving it up for free to ass holes for a long time this is better. It has shocked me how many professional women I have met for a reasonable price that don't mind excepting a little cash for freak time, public opinion seems to be shifting at least among the professional women segment.

I don't have advice because I have found some friends in the weirdest places, two being in the help wanted section of CL, WTF. How does a girl think placing an ad in the help wanted section is going to bring them clients? I have found looking in odd places using the search function with certain key words of any site you might normally look, brings results. Both of the ladies I found there were the real deals, just rookies I guess or trying to fly UTR perhaps. One I still see form time to time. I banged her on her desk at her office recently, she doesn't post ads anymore but has bills, is a freak, I think she does it for the thrill factor, I don't care but she's not acting, again I got lucky. So I have gone outside the box, it works but it's not easy the rewards are better, much cheaper but not easy.

[QUOTE=Jared77;2503755]I guess it's a matter of opinion but I agree with Josh, she's NOT hott.[/QUOTE]LOL I seen her for myself. I been bamboozled. Got that large Irish wolf hound that needs a bath. Her twat was nice and snug. But her face has acne covered with makeup. Nice breast. But funny built. She does have a stomach that she covers. I couldn't repeat if I wanted too. Lives too far and not worth the drive. Hmmmm lucky charm. LOL.

[QUOTE=Spinman;2503835]I took the joke for what is was, really just referring to the secret list that I think most veteran members have if they were honest then threw in my. 02 about current trends / recent topics about BP and pricing etc.

I don't know of a secret board that's out there but as far as the indy site I think Minnanon is referring to IMHO is a BAD place to visit or shop for talent, I always said meet and greets were a BAD idea. I find it funny guys still think everything is fine there, to each his own, end of story there.[/QUOTE]Just to clarify, since I myself wasn't clear on this point. I'm not a member there. I was, but have not been for a long, long time. But I did meet 2 of my three regulars there. One solely advertises there. The other in multiple places, but most of her business is there. When I was active there, the most reliable (but not only way) to find an experience like yours with Maras was that site. I don't know how things are there now, but have noticed the other places those types of girls advertise, Eros, e**ie, and P411 are all struggling in Columbus, and those two girls get most of their business from the indy site. But I had some trust issues there and ejected even before the Cleveland debacle started.

And you are correct, there are no guarantees. I had a terrible experience with a high end girl in Montreal this year. Stellar reviews on MERB. Recommended by a couple other girls I've seen up there. The only worse sessions I've had have been with BP crack hoes.

I hobby less frequently than some, but about 50% of my experiences are like yours with Maras, by design. This year, for my Christmas present to myself, I convinced my UTR to join me in a session with one of the indy gals. Ended round one DPing the UTR, the indy girl up front with a strap-on, me in the rear. Round two the indy girl bbbjtccimnqns and then some, while my UTR gave me an Asian session that was pretty close to a colonoscopy, LOL. I haven't tried everything I've seen on Extremetube, but if I've wanted to try it, I have.

I've been working the nooks and crannies a bit too. When CL was like BP now, I found a quality girl that wanted to find a regular or two, and stop advertising. Ended up as sort of an SB for a couple years. She really was in college, graduated and left. I did a tongue-in-cheek ad for her replacement on CL, and my current UTR answered it, first response. I've since run the same type of ad many times in the last five years with no luck at all.

I wouldn't even know how to get started with FB. I avoid that place like the plague. If it's the future, I'm in trouble.

[QUOTE=Josh88;2440395]I was cruising the other review site and noticed a recent review of Sidny, aka Kelly from back in the agency days when she was a madam. It's been over 10 years since I saw her and at the time I thought she was decent looking, close to a 7 but not quite, and not near that today. I looked over the list of Sidny's reviews and saw someone had given her an 8, so I checked out his previous reviews to see if he usually over rates the girls appearance. I saw that he gave lots of 9 & 10 ratings and pays some very high prices. He rated this girl Vivian a 10, as did many other reviewers, but what amazes me is that he thinks Sidny is only 2 points below Vivian. I would say there is a chasm between the two. See for yourself. BTW, he paid 120 for Sidny & 1,000 for Vivian.

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[URL]http://www.viviannovak.com/[/URL][/QUOTE]Ouch. That kinda hurt.

[QUOTE=GhostRider50;2515056]Paid 1. 5 for for outcall a few years ago in 161 area, and the girl just wanted to dance. Paid 2. 5 to an escort in a Dallas hotel, again years ago, and she then proclaimed she didn't do FS. Had a couple of SW get funky after I gave them their $, therefore, once I got over the fear of them getting pissed that I wasn't giving them the money up front I haven't been jacked since. They don't get the cash until the clothes come off and the condom is laid on the bed. They can see it, but they ain't touching it. Especially first timers. Same with car dates, once you let them know you will drop them off if they persist on the up front they always give in.

Sorry this happened to you, but once all mongers let them know through their actions, that we ain't doing up front, hopefully word will get around.[/QUOTE]2. 5 ? LOL. I thought paying those high prices was suppose to be some sort of guarantee to better service from providers? At least according to the market genius here who only drives a Mercedes.

[QUOTE=JCags100;2515327]2. 5 ? LOL. I thought paying those high prices was suppose to be some sort of guarantee to better service from providers? At least according to the market genius here who only drives a Mercedes.[/QUOTE]In my experience, every girl I spent from 300-500 for, except one, was GFE in performance with only a few of them a little below expectations in the looks category. There is definitely real quality out there if you want to pay for it. Mostly in other cities. I have been taken in by the dance only / no touching outcall girl too. Anyone of us can get scammed if we don't do our research or we venture into unreviewed territory. For the most part, Mercedes Guy is right.

[QUOTE=JCags100;2515327]2. 5 ? LOL. I thought paying those high prices was suppose to be some sort of guarantee to better service from providers? At least according to the market genius here who only drives a Mercedes.[/QUOTE]LOL, that is so funny. Proves us smart guys so right. Doesn't matter how much they are charging for the pussy, if they are a rip off artist, that's just what they do, low or high price hoes. And mercedes guy is DEAD wrong, not right AT ALL!

[QUOTE=Josh88;2515344]In my experience, every girl I spent from 300-500 for, except one, was GFE in performance with only a few of them a little below expectations in the looks category. There is definitely real quality out there if you want to pay for it. Mostly in other cities. I have been taken in by the dance only / no touching outcall girl too. Anyone of us can get scammed if we don't do our research or we venture into unreviewed territory. For the most part, Mercedes Guy is right.[/QUOTE]You see it all the time. The guys on the streetwalker forum talk about how they are getting "escort quality" at street prices, and how they are getting over on those idiots who pay BP prices. Here the BP guys are talking about how they are getting $300 quality at half the price, but when you look at their posts all you see are "would not repeat".

I have no problem paying $150 and I have no problem paying $350. But I know the difference. And if I buy a Mercedes I do my automotive research, I get it checked by a mechanic, and I am sure it performs the way it should before I buy. Of course, if you are in the "hole is hole" crowd any $60 crack ho will do.

[QUOTE=Josh88;2515344]In my experience, every girl I spent from 300-500 for, except one, was GFE in performance with only a few of them a little below expectations in the looks category. There is definitely real quality out there if you want to pay for it. Mostly in other cities. I have been taken in by the dance only / no touching outcall girl too. Anyone of us can get scammed if we don't do our research or we venture into unreviewed territory. For the most part, Mercedes Guy is right.[/QUOTE]Mostly in other cities? Yea I'm pretty sure $500 in Cali or Chi is alot different than CBUS. Would you pay $1000 for those moonlite bunny ranch SPs or any other Vegas brothel SPs? I mean by that standard they should be the greatest of all time.

[QUOTE=BusterCapp;2516022]You see it all the time. The guys on the streetwalker forum talk about how they are getting "escort quality" at street prices, and how they are getting over on those idiots who pay BP prices. Here the BP guys are talking about how they are getting $300 quality at half the price, but when you look at their posts all you see are "would not repeat".

I have no problem paying $150 and I have no problem paying $350. But I know the difference. And if I buy a Mercedes I do my automotive research, I get it checked by a mechanic, and I am sure it performs the way it should before I buy. Of course, if you are in the "hole is hole" crowd any $60 crack ho will do.[/QUOTE]LOL. Bit of a deviation from your original stance. Now you would get your Mercedes checked out by a mechanic? I thought the high dollar standard was absolute? Also if all $60 dollar girls are crack hos then does that make all $300 hos coke ******? Because we are absolutely sure that they don't abuse any substances at all? Just like the paying a higher price in and of it itself was suppose to be a fool proof way to get better " service" Maybe you are simply conflating better looking with better service? How many of these guys go on and on about Kay Kay or that other skinny one cake / Sailor??Based on what I have read a healthy number of these guys like the more average curvy SPs with "mommy bellies" So by them charging less the service is somehow inferior? Even if so many of girls have ohTER reviews to back the up?

[QUOTE=JCags100;2516239]LOL. Bit of a deviation from your original stance. Now you would get your Mercedes checked out by a mechanic? I thought the high dollar standard was absolute? Also if all $60 dollar girls are crack hos then does that make all $300 hos coke ******? Because we are absolutely sure that they don't abuse any substances at all? Just like the paying a higher price in and of it itself was suppose to be a fool proof way to get better " service" Maybe you are simply conflating better looking with better service? How many of these guys go on and on about Kay Kay or that other skinny one cake / Sailor??Based on what I have read a healthy number of these guys like the more average curvy SPs with "mommy bellies" So by them charging less the service is somehow inferior? Even if so many of girls have ohTER reviews to back the up?[/QUOTE]Although I think Sailor & Kay Kay are both solid providers and better than average looking, IMO they are not $300+ providers. They are priced about right for being volume based providers. I myself am happy doing the high 5's to high 6's in looks that I am usually doing locally, with an occasional 7 that comes by on a rare occasion. However, I am very willing to pay $300+ for the better looking, hard bodied, girls you can find in other cities, who perform just as well as the local favorites.

Note: I am fully aware that no ladies will read this, nor will it change anything. I'm free to hobby today, but can't find a trusted regular whose schedule matches mine, and in the current atmosphere, not wanting to chase strange so I am cranky.

I've seen this happen before, where girls start using a "free" escort web site system, and suddenly their galleries are behind pay walls. Many "escortfiles" and "escort web design" sites are suffering from this of late. In fact, there are a couple of girls sites that used to have open photos, but now the pics are behind a pay wall. However, there are some ladies on those sites whose pics still are freely available. I'm guessing those girls pay for the privilege of having open photos, so we mongers don't have to pay to see them.

Don't care why it's that way. Ladies, if you put your pics behind a pay wall, I'm not coming to see you. I don't pay to look at the pics when I am online shopping for a car, bike, or house, why would I do it for you? Plus, if I did want to pay to see nekkid chick pics, there are a lot of porn babes out there who are hotter than you. Hell, if that's all I want, I can look at Pornhub all day for free.

Rant over. Fuck, I need to get laid. (But I still want to see what you look like before I knock on your door.).

[QUOTE=JCags100;2516239]LOL. Bit of a deviation from your original stance. Now you would get your Mercedes checked out by a mechanic? I thought the high dollar standard was absolute? Also if all $60 dollar girls are crack hos then does that make all $300 hos coke ******? Because we are absolutely sure that they don't abuse any substances at all? Just like the paying a higher price in and of it itself was suppose to be a fool proof way to get better " service" Maybe you are simply conflating better looking with better service? How many of these guys go on and on about Kay Kay or that other skinny one cake / Sailor??Based on what I have read a healthy number of these guys like the more average curvy SPs with "mommy bellies" So by them charging less the service is somehow inferior? Even if so many of girls have ohTER reviews to back the up?[/QUOTE]Thanks for totally making shit up that I never said. There are no guarantees in this business, and anyone hobbying anywhere in any price range should always do his research. I never said a high dollar standard was absolute. You or someone else said that there is NO relationship between price and quality, and that other guys shouldn't pay those prices because somehow it would convince the average BP ho to raise her rates. That is a load of crap.

As far as conflating better looks with better service, looks and service both determine rate. Better looking girls charge more than uglier girls, and guys gladly pay them more. That is the way things are, in case that is news to you. Do you honestly believe guys like mommy belly? Are you fucking nuts? Have you ever heard of a guy complaining that a girl had a tight, toned body, so he wouldn't repeat? I don't mean anorexic; I mean lean and healthy. That is the gold standard. There may be BBW lovers or whatever, but they are the minority. Guys tolerate mommy belly because they can't find or don't want to pay a good-looking woman with a great body.

Girls who want to charge $300 and up should be good-looking, unmarked (and I don't mean tats), provide excellent service, have a clean and attractive incall with amenities, and dress attractively. If their clients have specific requests they should accommodate them. Their phones should be off, they shouldn't be smoking, and they should be ready, willing, and able to work the full time. If you go to see Eva Loren (for example) that is what you will get. There are a handful of others who meet that standard. Some guys may be fine with a QV with a girl who pulls down her sweatpants in a Motel 6, but that is no way the same experience. Guys who spend the money on Eva or those select others get a great experience that is well worth what they pay.

I am glad to play at both ends of the spectrum, and sometimes a HH with a decent BP girl is just fine. I don't confuse that with what I get when I go for the high end. Sorry if you don't get the difference.

[QUOTE=Digger47;2524044]Had a little free time and decided to do a little recon on Wed night between 7:30 and 9:30. Started East on Livingston from Children's and must have seen at least 8-9 SW split evenly on both sides of the street in the first mile. Turned around and headed for Broad. First cruise all the way down Broad turned up nothing of interest at all traveling all the way to Georgesville. Circled around and down Sully and only saw 3-4. All looked cranked up on candy acting like zombies. Circled around back to W. Broad and again to Georgesville Road. Just 2-3 that I would never have stopped for at all. Got to Georgesville again, saw the Casino and thought I might run in and try my luck for an hour or so. Pulled into the parking lot and saw a very attractive, blonde walking across the lot heading for the car parked near me. Probably about 30, dressed nicely, great figure wearing a thin halter top with no bra (the nipples were sticking straight out) and a pair of tight fitting knee length shorts framing a great ass. I looked over and smiled at her and she walked right over to my car. I said hi and asked how it had gone for her in the Casino. She replied that she had lost and had no cash left at all. After some other small talk, she suggested that if I could help her out with 50, she would be ever so grateful so she could go back and try to win back her losses. I told her that I would be more than willing to help her out is she made me happy. She jumped in on the passenger side of the car, untied the back of her halter top and showed me a gorgeous set of 38 see's that stood straight out with no man-made help and a great set of little finger thick nipples about an inch long. I was wearing a t-shirt and jogging shorts which were quickly pulled down to my knees and she proceeded to give me some great head and was more than willing to follow directions. After about five minutes of that, she looked up and said "Fuck it, I need to be happy too and she slipped out of her shorts and climbed on top of me riding my cock like it was the last one in the world. Fortunately, we both got our nut at almost the same time and then she just sat there until the Johnson went to sleep and she let it slip out of her. She quickly pulled up her shorts after a quick clean up with some Kleenex that I keep in the car and I pulled mine up as well. I gave her a well deserved bill and asked her for her number. She laughed and said that this was not the norm for her and her husband wouldn't appreciate her receiving any calls but since she is somewhat of a regular at the Casino, if we run into each other again, since we were as she put it, sexually compatible, she would be open to a trip to the parking lot again. Needless to say, I will certainly be going to the Casino a little more frequently now. Oh, as you can imagine, she would not allow a pic either. Which I certainly understood. Now it makes me wonder if the Casino would not be the place to find some UTR women who had a string of bad luck at the slots and don't want to go home empty handed. Just saying.[/QUOTE]I just don't buy this story. With all the cameras in that lot, the security, the police, and the uc they have there. Just find it hard to buy. But if it did. Kudos to you. Big balls to be mongering on camera. LOL.

[QUOTE=Dapon;2524796]I just don't buy this story. With all the cameras in that lot, the security, the police, and the uc they have there. Just find it hard to buy. But if it did. Kudos to you. Big balls to be mongering on camera. LOL.[/QUOTE]Don't really care whether or not you buy it and I think it takes a lot of balls to call someone out as a liar without any proof. You may think what you want, I do know what happened so your opinion matters not to me. Have a good day.

[QUOTE=Dapon;2524796]I just don't buy this story. With all the cameras in that lot, the security, the police, and the uc they have there. Just find it hard to buy. But if it did. Kudos to you. Big balls to be mongering on camera. LOL.[/QUOTE]I'm a regular at the casino, there daily. Its not uncommon for people to be out in the parking lot or in the garage doing it, I have seen it many times. Heck, I have seen couples go into the "family" restroom and you knew what was going on. Also, I will say it is not uncommon for the CPD or casino security to bust people doing this, I have a friend who works security there and he tells me many stories.

[QUOTE=Digger47;2525212]Don't really care whether or not you buy it and I think it takes a lot of balls to call someone out as a liar without any proof. You may think what you want, I do know what happened so your opinion matters not to me. Have a good day.[/QUOTE]I never called you a liar. Just being a regular at the Casino, it just doesn't add up. That's all. There are plenty of guys on this board stretching the truth in their reports for reasons unknown to me. One that posts pics on a regular basis does it for a fact that I know. If you did score that at the casino, like I said, good for you! Pretty big balls considering the cameras everywhere and the security.

[QUOTE=JustHereNow;2525403]Also, I will say it is not uncommon for the CPD or casino security to bust people doing this, I have a friend who works security there and he tells me many stories.[/QUOTE]This would be my fear. I guess anywhere in public is wreck-less, so that makes me so. But with so much security there. Seems even more ballsy. LOL I guess if hot ho's are strolling the parking lot, I will keep my eye peeled. I just always see dumpy old ladies going in for the penny slots. LOL.

[QUOTE=Dapon;2525495] There are plenty of guys on this board stretching the truth in their reports for reasons unknown to me. One that posts pics on a regular basis does it for a fact that I know.[/QUOTE]This is so true, makes no sense and a waste of time and internet space.

[QUOTE=Dapon;2525824]This would be my fear. I guess anywhere in public is wreck-less, so that makes me so. But with so much security there. Seems even more ballsy. LOL I guess if hot ho's are strolling the parking lot, I will keep my eye peeled. I just always see dumpy old ladies going in for the penny slots. LOL.[/QUOTE]Maybe your problem is that you are jealous that it's only the dumpy old ladies that will give you the time of day. I never said this woman was a ho or a pro. But you can go ahead and be the "critic" of this medium if you like. It must be wonderful to sit there and judge other people or throw out your midguided opinions without any factual knowledge. Maybe in your life you have nothing better to do. There is one fact that you are sadly mistaken on. As the other gentleman stated who apparently knows what he is talking about, this goes on all the time at the Casino. But not with the dumpy old ladies that you apparently attract. Good day sir.

[QUOTE=Digger47;2526426]Maybe your problem is that you are jealous that it's only the dumpy old ladies that will give you the time of day. I never said this woman was a ho or a pro. But you can go ahead and be the "critic" of this medium if you like. It must be wonderful to sit there and judge other people or throw out your midguided opinions without any factual knowledge. Maybe in your life you have nothing better to do. There is one fact that you are sadly mistaken on. As the other gentleman stated who apparently knows what he is talking about, this goes on all the time at the Casino. But not with the dumpy old ladies that you apparently attract. Good day sir.[/QUOTE]The casino gets a lot of Sully girls and other street walker types, Iv been propositioned many times. The casino has a rather large staff on duty and I know they have CPD working the property at night, I would not want to be one of the ones picked up for it, I like gambling to much to be kicked off casino property and that is what the casino will do on top of the criminal charges CPD can file.

[QUOTE=Digger47;2526426]Maybe your problem is that you are jealous that it's only the dumpy old ladies that will give you the time of day. I never said this woman was a ho or a pro. But you can go ahead and be the "critic" of this medium if you like. It must be wonderful to sit there and judge other people or throw out your midguided opinions without any factual knowledge. Maybe in your life you have nothing better to do. There is one fact that you are sadly mistaken on. As the other gentleman stated who apparently knows what he is talking about, this goes on all the time at the Casino. But not with the dumpy old ladies that you apparently attract. Good day sir.[/QUOTE]You posted about her on here = ho.

You paid to have sex with her = ho.

As for my opinion. I think you are full of it. Thats my opinion. You got called out by another on the Livingston Ave ho's. Where is your outrage there?

Your whole report just didn't ad up to some of us more experienced mongers. Thats all.