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[QUOTE=TooBuku;5315104]Has anyone ever just tried not paying when this happens? When the deal is broken. I understand the bouncer is going to say you owe per song. But what if we just say no. Where does it go from there?[/QUOTE]All you need to do is say "I'm not paying, I'm leaving, unless you want to call the cops". They DO NOT want to call the cops, they may imply that you must pay but you don't. They may say that you can't come back, but of course you can. If you were foolish enough to give them your car keys they may keep them, which is why I never valet park.
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Nipples
Looking for dancers with either big nipples, or big areola. Or both. Prefer natural breasts but beggars can't be choosers. Any recommendations?
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1. Managed to hit Crickets at 10-ish; still a good crowd and a fair number of dancers. However, girls weren't hungry, more interested in "making it rain" and there was plenty of that action. Several times there were hundreds of singles covering the stage and spilling everywhere on the floor. Dancers waling around with big plastic bags filled with singles instead of their traditional little clutch bags. A sight to be seen. I made a rookie mistake (unforgivable for this veteran monger) to go back with a cute AA spinner named Storm, only to find out she had been doing this for a month. And people have told her that she gave bad dances. Wonderful. They weren't bad, but no extra opportunities.
2. Went total GPS and headed to FC: after 45 minutes, got a visit with a fair skinned dancer with a spinner body, a mane of dark hair, and very large bolt ons. (didn't hear her name; heavy accent. Maybe French; not sure). Did head upstairs and she know how to use those bolt-ons in conjunction with great BBBJ technique. Started to CIM then she pulled off and it was like the 4th of July and my junk looked like a Roman candle, blasting explosions upward everywhere. And she was a great sport despite hair and face blast. Money well spent, that's one for the memory books!
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[QUOTE=TooBuku;5315104]Has anyone ever just tried not paying when this happens? When the deal is broken. I understand the bouncer is going to say you owe per song. But what if we just say no. Where does it go from there?[/QUOTE]When someone plays that game with them they have been known to call the COPS. Once it gets to that point you have two options. Option one you pay Option 2 you get handcuffed and carted away to get booked.
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[QUOTE=Lamarr;5315681]1. Managed to hit Crickets at 10-ish; still a good crowd and a fair number of dancers. However, girls weren't hungry, more interested in "making it rain" and there was plenty of that action. Several times there were hundreds of singles covering the stage and spilling everywhere on the floor. Dancers waling around with big plastic bags filled with singles instead of their traditional little clutch bags. A sight to be seen. I made a rookie mistake (unforgivable for this veteran monger) to go back with a cute AA spinner named Storm, only to find out she had been doing this for a month. And people have told her that she gave bad dances. Wonderful. They weren't bad, but no extra opportunities.
2. Went total GPS and headed to FC: after 45 minutes, got a visit with a fair skinned dancer with a spinner body, a mane of dark hair, and very large bolt ons. (didn't hear her name; heavy accent. Maybe French; not sure). Did head upstairs and she know how to use those bolt-ons in conjunction with great BBBJ technique. Started to CIM then she pulled off and it was like the 4th of July and my junk looked like a Roman candle, blasting explosions upward everywhere. And she was a great sport despite hair and face blast. Money well spent, that's one for the memory books![/QUOTE]What was the dmg on the BJ? I drove past FC last night and it was packed with cars! You must really be in the mood, I imagine the competition must be fierce!
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[QUOTE=Drew93;5315764]When someone plays that game with them they have been known to call the COPS. Once it gets to that point you have two options. Option one you pay Option 2 you get handcuffed and carted away to get booked.[/QUOTE]Not true, the bar isn't going to call the cops and say "this guy didn't pay for a sex act in the VIP" No SC wants LE at their club, it's bad for business. It's also your word against theirs, they say you didn't pay, I say I paid.
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[QUOTE=EatonBeaver;5315548]Don't try this at a club with valet parking. You won't get your car until you pay. [/QUOTE]This is true, they will hold your keys until you pay.
[QUOTE=EatonBeaver;5315548]No valet? Be ready to have your ass beaten. If she was in the VIP with you for 4 songs, you owe her for 4 songs. No one besides you is going to admit to any other agreement.[/QUOTE]Not true, this is Metro Detroit not Tijuana Mexico. Sure they may act like they are going to kick your ass but it won't happen unless you throw the first punch. If you are back there for 4 songs they will say you owe her for 4 songs. Again it's your word against hers, she says you didn't pay, I say I paid.
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[QUOTE=TooBuku;5315104]Has anyone ever just tried not paying when this happens? When the deal is broken. I understand the bouncer is going to say you owe per song. But what if we just say no. Where does it go from there?[/QUOTE]This is what happened to me. A stripper started playing her games about 3 songs in so I walked out on the 4th song. The stripper tells the bouncer I didn't pay her, the bouncer said I owed her $100, I told the bouncer I paid her, the manager comes over and asks what's going on, then tells me I owe her $100 or they will call the cops, I tell him to call the cops (he didn't). The bouncers (two of them) are stopping me from leaving and telling me I owe her $100 (in a very aggressive way), I said I paid her already and if they don't let me leave I will call the cops and press charges against them. This went on for about 5 minutes until I pulled out my phone and called 911 and told 911 that I was being held against my will at club X. They then told me I was banned from the club and to never come back. I left without paying her a dime.
Now my car was parked on the street but even if it was valet parked I would still call the cops and told them I'm being held against my will and they are trying to steal my car. The bar will try and get you to pay, but at the end of the day they are not going to get in any legal trouble over a stripper that won't even be working there in 6 months because she OD or is in jail.
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What next?
[QUOTE=Checkers123;5316179]This is what happened to me. A stripper started playing her games about 3 songs in so I walked out on the 4th song. The stripper tells the bouncer I didn't pay her, the bouncer said I owed her $100, I told the bouncer I paid her, the manager comes over and asks what's going on, then tells me I owe her $100 or they will call the cops, I tell him to call the cops (he didn't). The bouncers (two of them) are stopping me from leaving and telling me I owe her $100 (in a very aggressive way), I said I paid her already and if they don't let me leave I will call the cops and press charges against them. This went on for about 5 minutes until I pulled out my phone and called 911 and told 911 that I was being held against my will at club X. They then told me I was banned from the club and to never come back. I left without paying her a dime.
Now my car was parked on the street but even if it was valet parked I would still call the cops and told them I'm being held against my will and they are trying to steal my car. The bar will try and get you to pay, but at the end of the day they are not going to get in any legal trouble over a stripper that won't even be working there in 6 months because she OD or is in jail.[/QUOTE]I will give it to you, if you tell me that you went back to that same club another day with no issues.
With so few clubs around, is it worth getting banned from one club for one bad experience or $?
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[QUOTE=Shrekr;5316202]I will give it to you, if you tell me that you went back to that same club another day with no issues.[/QUOTE]I did but it was on a different shift (days) about 3 months later, then again on nights about a year latter. I didn't recognize anyone.
[QUOTE=Shrekr;5316202]With so few clubs around, is it worth getting banned from one club for one bad experience or $?[/QUOTE]That would be up to the individual, I say yes but others will say no. Another thing to remember is staff comes and goes all the time at these clubs. The managers and bouncers that work there today most likely won't work there in six months to a year. And do you really think they care a year latter that you didn't pay a stripper that tried to rip you off? Maybe, maybe not? What's the worst they can do, tell you to leave? I'll go somewhere else and spend my money.
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[QUOTE=Checkers123;5316179]This is what happened to me. A stripper started playing her games about 3 songs in so I walked out on the 4th song. The stripper tells the bouncer I didn't pay her, the bouncer said I owed her $100, I told the bouncer I paid her, the manager comes over and asks what's going on, then tells me I owe her $100 or they will call the cops, I tell him to call the cops (he didn't). The bouncers (two of them) are stopping me from leaving and telling me I owe her $100 (in a very aggressive way), I said I paid her already and if they don't let me leave I will call the cops and press charges against them. This went on for about 5 minutes until I pulled out my phone and called 911 and told 911 that I was being held against my will at club X. They then told me I was banned from the club and to never come back. I left without paying her a dime.
Now my car was parked on the street but even if it was valet parked I would still call the cops and told them I'm being held against my will and they are trying to steal my car. The bar will try and get you to pay, but at the end of the day they are not going to get in any legal trouble over a stripper that won't even be working there in 6 months because she OD or is in jail.[/QUOTE]Agree with all of this. The worse that will happen, other than the minor bouncer harassments, is banishment from the club. Smart play.
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[QUOTE=Checkers123;5316227]I did but it was on a different shift (days) about 3 months later, then again on nights about a year latter. I didn't recognize anyone.
That would be up to the individual, I say yes but others will say no. Another thing to remember is staff comes and goes all the time at these clubs. The managers and bouncers that work there today most likely won't work there in six months to a year. And do you really think they care a year latter that you didn't pay a stripper that tried to rip you off? Maybe, maybe not? What's the worst they can do, tell you to leave? I'll go somewhere else and spend my money.[/QUOTE]Yep. I know a guy who owns several of these clubs. The employee turnover rate is high. It's the nature of the business.
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[QUOTE=Checkers123;5316127]Not true, the bar isn't going to call the cops and say "this guy didn't pay for a sex act in the VIP" No SC wants LE at their club, it's bad for business. It's also your word against theirs, they say you didn't pay, I say I paid.[/QUOTE]In the past 3 years, I have seen it happen at least seven times.
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[QUOTE=TooBuku;5315104]Has anyone ever just tried not paying when this happens? When the deal is broken. I understand the bouncer is going to say you owe per song. But what if we just say no. Where does it go from there?[/QUOTE]TB,
I will throw my opinion in.
First this is part of the game / experience / adventure. There are many girls out to cheat you. You are trying not to get cheated. You show me a guy who has not been cheated in a strip club and I will show I guy who is a liar. It happens from time to time and try to minimize it.
Second I know the rules when I go back and I am supposed to pay for the songs. I was back there for 4 songs and if I wouldn't have paid I would owe that.
Third, think with the big head. This is hard for some of us. I could fight it, I could cause a scene. But why do I want to do that? I go to the club to relax and blow some steam as well as other fluids. I have enough headaches in my personal life and work life. When I am in the strip club I want to enjoy the altered reality that I can have most of these girls.
Forth, my goal for the night was to empty my load. That didn't happen with Athena. It was not big deal, I picked and different girl after and ended up enjoying myself, which was the purpose of my trip.
Finally if you want to impact her. Arguing with her in the club is not the way to do it. Simply come on a message board and post your experiences. Other guys will avoid her, or be cautious when going with her so the same thing doesn't happen to them. She is a very beautiful girl and likely most guys in the club would like to go with her, but she won't get many repeat customers doing this, and word gets around that she is not a good time and you will find her prices will drop and her services will expand. Lastly there a no secret in the strip club. Girls talk and if the remember you are the guy that had a problem with Athena they may not want to go with you. If you are trying to get the best girl based on your subjective opinion you do not want to have a reputation as someone causes trouble and is a risk for a bad VIP session.
MM.
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[QUOTE=Concupiscent69;5316275]Yep. I know a guy who owns several of these clubs. The employee turnover rate is high. It's the nature of the business.[/QUOTE]Depends on the bar really. I know cricket and bogarts have had the same managers for quite a while now. H8 N has had a little bit of a turnover over the past year or so. Can't speak on the other bars.