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[QUOTE=El Pito Loco]I seldom jump in on these sorts of debates even though often they are quite interesting. This time around I would, with your permission guys, like to share what I think, what I know, and what I would recommend.
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Feel free to contribute! We are not like the Philly guys so I doubt Mike and Chase will come to blows or threaten legal action against one another.
[QUOTE=El Pito Loco]I seldom jump in on these sorts of debates even though often they are quite interesting. This time around I would, with your permission guys, like to share what I think, what I know, and what I would recommend.
Aight so here's what I think. I think strippers are no different than any other regular girl in that no matter how much $ you put in if you don't do it right you will end up getting’ nothin’.
Here's what I know, you see that Chris Rock recording "There is no sex in the champaign room"?... well, He's absolutely wrong!
What I recommend, focus a bit less on you (the $ and when and how if you show it and this and that), and more on the girl, show up presentable (clean, smell nice), pick one you like, talk to her (meaning more like just listen to her, or at least try to appear to be), treat her nice, complement her a lot. I know it sounds like a lot of work, the kind of when you go out to a regular bar to hunt regular girls, but strippers are just not used to guys treating them nice so whatever work you put in will be miles more effective, if on top of that you carry a thick stack of 20’s (or even hundreds) you should be all set. You'll end up hitting at least half the girls in the club.
That said, I might add that strippers are mostly hookers in denial, they know they are hookers but they want to believe they’re not, and that’s why they are usually not cheap, if you are not willing to blow escort money+ and also put in the work, don’t even play that game.
For what is worth.
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You, sir, are dead-on correct! You have mastered the plan for nailing strippers.
And your part about hookers in denial is the best description I've ever seen or heard for them! I love it!
Hello, all,
Been getting lots of info here, thought I share some for a change.
In town visiting, went to YB Strip last night, about 10-12 girls, mostly hot, got dance from 3, all offered extras. Finally settled with Lacey, she offered FS for $$$. Wow. Way too much, fnally agreed the 6 songs with HE for $.
Most girls were friendly, willing to negotiate since there were only 10 guys in there, most just sitting
My two pennies
The following post is very long and I apologize in advance to those who don't care for such posts, but I think it contains info that some of you might find useful[QUOTE=El Pito Loco] ... That said, I might add that strippers are mostly hookers in denial, they know they are hookers but they want to believe they’re not, and that’s why they are usually not cheap, if you are not willing to blow escort money+ and also put in the work, don’t even play that game. ...[/QUOTE]I agree 110% with the first part. I'm just a little bit at odds on the 2nd part. I think its good that you said USUALLY they aren't cheap. Most of the time they aren't, particularly for some reason on this side of the bay, but from what I've found many times they aren't IF you play them inside the club like you described below (show up well-groomed, treat them nice and respectfully, etc.). This had not always been the case, so maybe its a reflection of changing times and a bad economy or maybe I've just learned to play them better. A lot of them, probably most, WILL ASK for escort prices OR MORE if you want to see them outside of the club. HOWEVER, many of them will settle for much more reasonable amounts IF you've set them up properly and ask them right. And if they don't, can you just say "NEXT!!!"? After all, IME, there are plenty of hot ones at the clubs (or, again, at least at the Pasco and Pinellas clubs) who WILL and even if there weren't there are plenty of non-strippers on BP and elsewhere who definitely will.
Maybe their thinking they deserve more then those regular escorts is part of their wanting to believe they aren't just some cheap hooker like you suggested. Or maybe its because they're used to guys lavishing $150 on them every night for just a half hour in the VIP room (or $20 to talk about it :)) and, because of that, they figure $300/hr is the price they should be able to get for an hour outside the club.
Of course, what they overlook with that reasoning is that a) if there were many guys willing to pay that much then they'd already be a lot more busy than they are doing sessions at those rates in the VIP room b) the guys may be paying $150/hh but the gals are still usually really only doing whatever they're doing in the back room for the dancer cut which sometimes can be as little as 50% of that (usually its more but rarely is it 100%), c) they're spending most of their 8 hour shift sitting on their asses making little or nothing at all or else going up on stage just once every couple of hours or more (depending on how many other dancers are working) to hustle for dollar bills (sometimes making a fair amount doing that but never making $300/hr), so their real hourly rate is nowhere near $300/hr and d) even if they were making $300/hr in the club, there are plenty of escorts advertising on BP, CL and elsewhere who are often just as hot looking as most of them, don't make any bones about what they do and are willing to do it for advertised rates of $200/hr and sometimes even less.
Like everyone has already said, who really knows how these girls think or why they'd think we'd pay so much more than the going market rate (of course, it could also be because a few guys will)? All we can do is try to figure them out, but I don't think any guy (or non-stripper) will ever know for sure. Not that it really matters, because any stripper who PERSISTS in demanding so much more than the market rate can just keep on trying ... with somebody else.
As it is, I realize that what you end up paying to get these strippers outside the club can be more than the market rate any way ... IF you factor in what you pay INSIDE the club to recruit them. The REAL trick is not getting them to agree to some more reasonable amount to see you outside the club but to do it without lavishing extravagant amounts on them inside the club (not to mention what you pay for cover, drinks, tips for other dancers and club staff and dead-end leads) AND to be able to amortize those overhead costs over more than just a few outside meets. In that area, I've done okay with some and not so okay with others.
Sometimes I've been snookered into paying them a lot in the clubs or to keep coming back on the vague promise of eventually getting together with them outside the club that never materializes. But I've gotten a lot better at detecting those gals and not falling for their line and I rarely if ever pay the exorbitant rates for in-club VIP sessions. I've found that pre-selecting the candidates from the way they dance on stage and carry themselves in general and then testing them out with 1-2 especially frisky lap dances is all it usually takes to determine their potential. If they're too reserved on stage or in the lap dance area (or if they upsell over the already high VIP rates), then I cut my losses right there. OTOH, I have friend who has had some luck "corrupting" some of the newer dancers who usually start out more reserved but that seems to require the outlay of much more "upfront" money than I like to spend (and requires MULTIPLE visits) and has a much lower %-age of success (though some of the hottest sweetest dancers fall into that group, so the payout if it succeeds is also much higher). Personally, unless I just really like her lap dances, I'll normally only spend time (and thus develop rapporte) with a dancer who seems to have more immediate outcall potential.
The bigger problem I have found is on the back-end, turning them into a REGULAR provider so that all that upfront money can be amortized over numerous sessions. After a while, sometimes in as little as just 1-2 sessions, they start to show a loss of interest in the form of either it getting harder to find a time when they can agree to come out (and actually showing up or even calling at the time THEY set) and/or in less enthusiastic service when they DO come out (compared to the 1st session). I'm still trying to figure out how to improve on this part of my strategy. The first problem may simply be a reflection of the fact that I'm paying them as little as I am (even though it is for amounts that THEY initially agreed to). I never pay them more than $200/hr to come see me and usually get them to agree to either $100/hr or $200 for 2 hours (and even often get them to agree to even less after that for future visits on the promise of REGULAR (weekly) business once they've come out and found that they're treated well and will have a good time). The second problem may as much be a problem of less enthusiasm on my part as theirs since it is human nature for all of us to tend to grow bored with the familiar.
And how do I get them to agree to more reasonable amounts (as little as $120 for an all-nighter with one hot little spinner)? I play to their egos and use the fact that they don't want to see themselves as hookers to my advantage. I explain that while I can understand why they're really worth their asking price to other guys (or even more since they're really beyond price at all), but the amount I can offer is all that I can budget for this sort of thing (because you don't normally ever pay for play or because that is what you've been able to pay for other girls, take your pick, not sure which works better). I also point out that they're not really making $150/hh since the club gets a piece of that and they usually have to work all night for sometimes just a couple of VIP room sessions (if even that) and they can make as much as they might make in a entire night (or at least a bad night) but coming to see me for just a couple of hours. BTW, this works especially well if they;ve just been complaining to me about how little they have earned that night. PLUS I tell them that they can come to see me either during their regular off hours, when they wouldn't be making any money at all (and the money I pay them just becomes gravy) or, if they want to take a night off, they can see me earlier in the week during a night when they usually don't make so much in the club. After all, why spend 8 hours hustling for maybe ~$12/hr (if that, the figure Mike came up with) when they can make just as much in a couple of hours coming out to my nice place, relax with a nice guy, maybe get one of my "patented" back rubs, lots of DATY and, of course, play around some on a nice roomy bed without some creepy security dude or camera watching? Of course, those last 2 things are usually exactly why these girls work in the clubs rather than become full-on escorts going out regularly to various strangers' homes or hotel rooms and why they often demand more to go out to those places than what they might settle for in the club, but that is also exactly why it is so important to establish rapporte with the girl to let her get to know you a little bit, see (or at least think) you're a nice trustworthy guy and feel that they'd be safe coming to see you.
Which brings me to the last part about where does using the fact that they don't want to see themselves as hookers work to our advantage. I point out that I realize they don't go out with every guy that asks, just like I don't normally ask dancers to go out (yeah, right! :)). The (more modest amount of) money you offer them is just some token amount to help them out a little bit (not a reflection of what you think they're really worth) and you two are getting together as much because of mutual attraction as for any (ugh!) money (yeah right! on her part). It doesn't matter so much how much that is true. The point is that you're not coming off so much like you're treating her like a hooker just paying to use her body. She likes you at least a little bit (if you've set her up right) or at least claims to and you like her, so you both should have a good time if she comes out for a little while PLUS she'll get a little money to boot.
This post has gone well beyond that original quote, but I'd like to add one last somewhat funny observation I have made from my various hook-ups. As I mentioned, I have a friend who also plays this game. On more than one occasion and with various girls, one or the other of us have suggested at some point to our stripper dates that we had a friend who they could also make some money with. In practically every instance these strippers have reacted as if seriously offended that we would suggest they should prostitute themselves with some other guy even though they essentially just did that with us. Perhaps, it is because they want to preserve the illusion of GFE/BFE they have with us and whoring themselves with another John that we each know would destroy that (in other words, they probably have lots of other John/SD's but none that really know what she is doing with other guys). Or perhaps it is because they like to think they aren't actual hookers because at least they're selective with who they'll have sex with (only guys they've already actually met and like at least a little). But, for whatever reason it is, I've learned never to push the idea of their seeing my friends. I've only had 2 that would readily go along with it, 1 other that did it grudgingly with another friend (for a lot more dinero than she charged me) and 1 that refused at first but eventually agreed as she became financially more desperate. Generally, the more GFE-like the relationship (even though it is still a P4P deal) the less likely the girl is to want to do it with other guys you know.
I'll throw out one last general tip I've learned. Try to find the dancer with the most potential before you focus in on any one dancer. Once you've started seeing a dancer it can become very awkward to go to her club during her shift and spend any time pursuing any one else. Unless you're a much better player than me, you're usually effectively limited to only one dancer per shift per club (although you might be able to use days or nights that you know your girl is off to your advantage). You probably especially don't want to try and work 1 girls who are close friends with each other (just as they often don't want to work your friends). OTOH, being seen working another dancer that they hate can be pretty bad too, given the often very spiteful, jealous or territorial nature of relations between some of the various dancers at these places. Once you've managed to get a couple of dancers outside the club, I think you should be pretty safe as long as you don't go back to the club when they're both working. Since they don't want to be seen as prostitutes, I don't think these girls would normally share information about their outside encounters with other dancers, though I could be wrong.
BTW, this is all only what works for me. I know other guys have different strategies. A lot of you seem to prefer to work the SW's, who are dirt cheap but usually IMHO too skanky (and legally risky). Some guys like the AMP's or Lingerie Studios. Some like escorts for outcall. And some go for the strippers but only in-house. I personally used to be a Doubting Thomas about the cost-effectiveness and likeliness of trying to recruit dancers outside the clubs, but lately it has been working well for me. I'd love to hear from other guys who have been mining the strip-joints for outcall, to hear what techniques work best for them and to hear their comparative results. OTOH, while I'm more than happy to dispense general advice FWIW, I don't want to hear from guys who want to know which particular strippers will play this way. I can only tell you that it is a lot of them but that you'll have to find them on your own. Since these gals don't see themselves as hookers the last thing I'd want is some guy going up to one I've seen and telling her that someone she'd seen told him she was.
Stopped by the strip last night, new girl Tashia has one of the best bodies Ive ever seen at Ybor Strip. Dont know if she does xtras or not. Angie from dayshift is back also. With the exception of about 2 girls last night the quality at YS seems to have gone down hill lately. Every time I find a girl I like she seems to either get fired or leave for another club.
Hard to believe - 2 girls were busted at Lipstix, I am guessing extras had been on the menu there. I have been reading with great interest this thread. I never have been able to get outcall from Strippers not counting the one I dated before she started working at 2001. Stripper minds are hard to figure but I'll be working the 'Chase System' and I'll report any luck here.
Chase you are dead-on in your approach, as stated in your last post. However one thing I need to clarify. You said, "After all, why spend 8 hours hustling for maybe ~$12/hr (if that, the figure Mike came up with) when they can make just as much in a couple of hours coming out to my nice place..."
When I mentioned $10-$12 and hour, I was speaking of the average work-a-day wage for the area when I said the shittiest stripper makes more than the average working man.
The only aspect you are not dead-on with is that you're believing them when they tell you all about how they don't make money.
Believe me. I know from twenty years of seeing behind the curtain, the worst stripper... The girl who doesn't even try, goes home with around $150, or a little over twenty bucks an hour.
To the girls who now how to work the strip clubs, a bad day is $150. They define that as "not making money today." $200 is the magic number for "making money." Most of the good ones walk home with an average, over a five day week, of about $300 a day. The top two or three girls in a club take home an average of over $500 a day, easily - and to those girls a $250 day is "not making money today."
But the average, middle of the bell-curve, bulk of all dancers will make about $1500 a week, with two days of "not making money," or $150 a day. A couple of days of "making money," or those $250-$300 days. And one day of "doing really good," or making $500+.
Yes, they live in shitty places. Yes, most of them don't own cars. But don't let them fool you. Even if they are seeing you, they have a boyfriend. He eats most of her money. He does not work. She is supporting his and, in most cases, her drug habit. He is a loser so he has no problem with her seeing you for cash. Until she starts to like you. That's why they all seem to peter out after two or three visits.
When you find the rare one who is single at the moment, you might get a few more "dates." And that's how she sees them. You are boyfriend and girlfriend and you are dating. You are so nice, you pay her electric bill, phone bill or whatever the amount you gave her covers. And you let her keep the change!
But the downfall, there, is that you, Chase, by what you said in your post, REALLY are nice. She does not understand that. It does not compute. She needs to take care of the man she loves until he "finally finds someone who recognizes his talents" and gives him a great high-paying job. Guys who can afford to pay her bills are the guys she hustles at the club. Liking a guy who can afford her does not compute in her brain at all.
And it's time to move on to the next one!
[QUOTE=Crazy80]Hello, all,
Been getting lots of info here, thought I share some for a change.
In town visiting, went to YB Strip last night, about 10-12 girls, mostly hot, got dance from 3, all offered extras. Finally settled with Lacey, she offered FS for $$$. Wow. Way too much, fnally agreed the 6 songs with HE for $.
Most girls were friendly, willing to negotiate since there were only 10 guys in there, most just sitting
My two pennies[/QUOTE]Did you mean Lexy?
[QUOTE=Pink Chaser]Did you mean Lexy?[/QUOTE]Pretty sure it was lacey, but I cold be wrong, about 25, straight brown hair, she said she's trying to build up a regular customer base, nothing outside the club. "everything" in the club.
Another girl, older named Ireland also mentioned just about anything goes back rooms, might try her next time.
[QUOTE=Mike Wazowski]Chase you are dead-on in your approach, as stated in your last post. However one thing I need to clarify. You said, "After all, why spend 8 hours hustling for maybe $12/hr (if that, the figure Mike came up with) when they can make just as much in a couple of hours coming out to my nice place. "
When I mentioned $10-$12 and hour, I was speaking of the average work-a-day wage for the area when I said the shittiest stripper makes more than the average working man.
The only aspect you are not dead-on with is that you're believing them when they tell you all about how they don't make money.
Believe me. I know from twenty years of seeing behind the curtain, the worst stripper. The girl who doesn't even try, goes home with around $150, or a little over twenty bucks an hour.
To the girls who now how to work the strip clubs, a bad day is $150. They define that as "not making money today. " $200 is the magic number for "making money. " Most of the good ones walk home with an average, over a five day week, of about $300 a day. The top two or three girls in a club take home an average of over $500 a day, easily. And to those girls a $250 day is "not making money today. "
But the average, middle of the bell-curve, bulk of all dancers will make about $1500 a week, with two days of "not making money, " or $150 a day. A couple of days of "making money, " or those $250-$300 days. And one day of "doing really good, " or making $500+.
Yes, they live in shitty places. Yes, most of them don't own cars. But don't let them fool you. Even if they are seeing you, they have a boyfriend. He eats most of her money. He does not work. She is supporting his and, in most cases, her drug habit. He is a loser so he has no problem with her seeing you for cash. Until she starts to like you. That's why they all seem to peter out after two or three visits.
When you find the rare one who is single at the moment, you might get a few more "dates. " And that's how she sees them. You are boyfriend and girlfriend and you are dating. You are so nice, you pay her electric bill, phone bill or whatever the amount you gave her covers. And you let her keep the change!
But the downfall, there, is that you, Chase, by what you said in your post, REALLY are nice. She does not understand that. It does not compute. She needs to take care of the man she loves until he "finally finds someone who recognizes his talents" and gives him a great high-paying job. Guys who can afford to pay her bills are the guys she hustles at the club. Liking a guy who can afford her does not compute in her brain at all.
And it's time to move on to the next one![/QUOTE]Mike I don't have years of working behind the Curtain but have been a strip club monger for about 10 plus years and I've known a couple of dancers on a personal level. Sure these girls have some great nights where they take home 500+ dollars but I certainly wouldn't call that the average Fri-Sat night. From what I've have gathered A good Fri-Sat night from the clubs around here from is usually about 400-500 hundred after payout to the club.
What you got to remember though is that there are nights where these girls make no money at all. I can't tell you how many nights I've been in a club where there are maybe 12-15 girls working and only 5-6 customers and only 1-2 are getting dances. I've sat in clubs upwards of 5 hours (yea I know I have no life) and seen most girls not get a single dance. So on a bad night when these girls only make about 60-80 dollars (and thats assuming they got at least 2-3 dances and maybe made 20 dollars on stage)they take home nothing after payout to the club. Many nights the girls actually end up owing money to the club when they made no money at all. (it cost them at least 40-50 dollars a night to work at these clubs). I also can't tell you how many times I've seen Dayshift girls stay over to Nightshift because they made no money. Don't get me wrong I certainly am not feeling sorry for these girls I just think many people are wrong about how much money they make. When you take into account that most work only 3-4 days a week, have nights where they break even or actually end up owing money to the club, get fined for missing a day or leaving early its not as much as you think. If I were to pick a number I would say your average nude dancer in Tampa makes about 40 thousand a year after payout to the club, and thats assuming she actually works at least 3 days a week throughout the year which many of them don't do.
[QUOTE=Pink Chaser]Mike I don't have years of working behind the Curtain but have been a strip club monger for about 10 plus years and I've known a couple of dancers on a personal level. Sure these girls have some great nights where they take home 500+ dollars but I certainly wouldn't call that the average Fri-Sat night. From what I've have gathered A good Fri-Sat night from the clubs around here from is usually about 400-500 hundred after payout to the club.
What you got to remember though is that there are nights where these girls make no money at all. I can't tell you how many nights I've been in a club where there are maybe 12-15 girls working and only 5-6 customers and only 1-2 are getting dances. I've sat in clubs upwards of 5 hours (yea I know I have no life) and seen most girls not get a single dance. So on a bad night when these girls only make about 60-80 dollars (and thats assuming they got at least 2-3 dances and maybe made 20 dollars on stage)they take home nothing after payout to the club. Many nights the girls actually end up owing money to the club when they made no money at all. (it cost them at least 40-50 dollars a night to work at these clubs). I also can't tell you how many times I've seen Dayshift girls stay over to Nightshift because they made no money. Don't get me wrong I certainly am not feeling sorry for these girls I just think many people are wrong about how much money they make. When you take into account that most work only 3-4 days a week, have nights where they break even or actually end up owing money to the club, get fined for missing a day or leaving early its not as much as you think. If I were to pick a number I would say your average nude dancer in Tampa makes about 40 thousand a year after payout to the club, and thats assuming she actually works at least 3 days a week throughout the year which many of them don't do.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, there are the dump clubs that have horrid customer to dancer ratios and a bunch of girls not making money. They also turn and burn their dancers at an extremely high rate. Girls don't stay where there is no money. They move on to the clubs where they do make money.
The pure and simple of it is, if she's working there and staying there AND telling you that many nights she goes home owing money... She's lying to you.
Case in point... Just talked to a girl an hour or so ago, who I know from my dealings behind the curtain. Tomorrow is her regular DJ's day off and she says none of the dancers like the part-time DJ.
Their solution? They all have their customers who will give them money to sit with them (read: Customers who will come in and arrange to see them after work.) so that they still make money that day but can claim they can't tip the DJ since none of their money is made "on the books" by getting private dances.
Same thing can be worked on customers. If you are talking to a stripper who you've watched not get a single dance and you watch her do this often and she STILL stays at that club... Well, she's got a lot of customers that she has come in and give her money to "sit with them."
Then she can approach a guy who will get dances and, maybe, make even more from him as she bemoans about how all the guys she's sat with have wasted her time.
Now, are there strippers who never make money but keep plugging away at it? Yeah, there are. Do they have the looks and personality combination to make you want to do anything with them? No. But they don't have any other skill so they'll deal with the few hundred a week they can make by pure accident. They are also few and far between because a club will only hold onto a girl for so long with her owing money.
Then, most clubs also have at least one dancer who always pays her house fees, always tips her DJ minimum and NEVER gets a dance. Litterally never. Most nights you'll never even see her talk to a customer for more than a brief moment. She's a drug boy's mule who gets inside the club and sells for him to both dancers and customers.
And that's something you see at almost every club today that you never used to see when the clubs were actually run by people who knew how to run strip clubs.
And regarding your estimate of the average nude dancer making about 40K in the area, you're a little off. Even the three day a week girls are only working 3 days a week because it's all they need. Most of them are clearing about $1,000 a week. And many more than you'd suspect are making much more than that.
Unfortunately all that money goes up their noses, in their arms, up their boyfriends' noses, in their boyfriends arms, etc.
Mike, I will still dispute you on your assessment of these gal's real earnings. But rather than go into a rehash back and forth of what we've both already said let's look at just one part of your latest post.
You talk about guys paying for girls just to sit with them and you put that in quotes. If you meant it literally, perhaps there are even bigger losers than me out there or guys with much more money to burn, but I seriously doubt there are many that would pay significant amounts of money for a girl literally just to SIT with them inside the club and not even get a VIP session for that expenditure. And by significant I mean as much as she could make by circulating more and hustling for dances and VIP room sessions with other guys instead of sitting with him through most of the prime hours of her shift and MAYBE getting a VIP session from him at the end. OTOH, if you're alluding to the possibility that the guys who don't seem to be spending much money on the girl INSIDE the club are actually getting her attention because of what they're paying her OUTSIDE the club for something a whole lot more than just sitting with them, then I'm sure your right because I'M one of those guys. However that doesn't at all change my argument that these girls aren't making as much money as you think from what they do AT WORK, but have to supplement it with money they make by seeing customers OUTSIDE the clubs. In other words, those guys aren't REALLY paying those girls just to SIT with them and if those girls spend most of their shifts sitting with those guys instead of making money dancing on stage or in the back rooms they aren't really making all that money you say they're making from their work as dancers in the club. They're really making it from their work as SB's, escorts, hookers, supported "GF's" or whatever else they choose to call themselves when they see the guys outside the club.
Lastly, even if you're completely right and these gals are making 100's of thousands of dollars per year, but have nothing to show for it because it all goes up their noses or in their arms or in their loser bf's wallets, it doesn't change the equation for any of us either. If they're living in rundown trailer homes, driving shitbox cars and failing to make payments on things as small as their cellphone bills (AND probably still scrounging for money for their next drug buy if that's really their problem) as most of them seem to be, then they're in SERIOUS need of more money and that makes them likely candidates to be approached for reasonably priced outcall services.
[QUOTE=Chase Star]Mike, I will still dispute you on your assessment of these gal's real earnings...
However that doesn't at all change my argument that these girls aren't making as much money as you think...
Lastly, even if you're completely right and these gals are making 100's of thousands of dollars per year...[/QUOTE]
Why do you dispute it? Again, this is not what I THINK this is what I KNOW FOR A FACT. I have twenty years of seeing the inner workings of these places. Honestly, what is there to dispute?
And I NEVER said that strippers are making hundreds of thousands of dollars per year. A few are. Most are not. A few are also making a couple hundred dollars a week. Again, most are not. Most are making, as I said in my prior post, about $1,000 a week.
And again, these are not thoughts, estimates, imagined figures, postulations, assumptions, etc. It's just the simple truth.
I'm not going to outright say who I am and what I do for a living but I've been on this forum for quite some time and have always been a straight shooter with my posts. Take my word for it, I have more knowledge of strippers, how they work, how much they make, what their lives are like, etc. than any other poster on here.
And regarding your semantics on how they make money if some of it is coming from meeting outside the club, most of these girls are not advertising online, working for an escort service or anything like that. The only way to find them is in the club they work, so, yeah, that outside income comes from their being strippers.
I also think you are misinterpreting my earlier statement that these girls make more than the average working man to equate to "these girls make more than you or I do."
Based on our adventures, I'd say most of the posters here are making high-fives or better. Most strippers make mid to high-fives. The average working man, though, is making low-fives in this area.
So it all started with me explaining why a five or even ten dollar tip on the stage isn't going to pry her ass away from where she plants it and over to the monger who tipped her.
Think about it... If you lost a five dollar bill, would you fret over it? To these girls, who are, routinely, handed random high-dollar amounts to do something many of them end up enjoying, a five dollar bill is nothing.
And that's really been the whole point all along. And one you agree with. Want a stripper's attention? Give her a decent amount of money.
Your biggest point of contention (other than refusing to believe these girls actually make, what most would consider, a decent living) seems to have started with my suggestion of giving the girl you want twenty bucks to get up from the guy she's with and come get some VIP action with you.
It was just a suggestion and one that works.
[QUOTE=Crazy80]Pretty sure it was lacey, but I cold be wrong, about 25, straight brown hair, she said she's trying to build up a regular customer base, nothing outside the club. "everything" in the club.
Another girl, older named Ireland also mentioned just about anything goes back rooms, might try her next time.[/QUOTE]
Don't know about Ireland. I did some dances with her a while back and they were nothing special. She also uses a "lap rag" when she dances. She places a large scarf in your lap and then grinds on it. Granted, I did dance with her some time back so maybe she has changed her ways. At any rate, she promised a lot of fun and really did not deliver.
[QUOTE=Mike Wazowski]Why do you dispute it? Again, this is not what I THINK this is what I KNOW FOR A FACT. I have twenty years of seeing the inner workings of these places. Honestly, what is there to dispute?
And I NEVER said that strippers are making hundreds of thousands of dollars per year. A few are. Most are not. A few are also making a couple hundred dollars a week. Again, most are not. Most are making, as I said in my prior post, about $1,000 a week.
And again, these are not thoughts, estimates, imagined figures, postulations, assumptions, etc. It's just the simple truth.
I'm not going to outright say who I am and what I do for a living but I've been on this forum for quite some time and have always been a straight shooter with my posts. Take my word for it, I have more knowledge of strippers, how they work, how much they make, what their lives are like, etc. than any other poster on here.
And regarding your semantics on how they make money if some of it is coming from meeting outside the club, most of these girls are not advertising online, working for an escort service or anything like that. The only way to find them is in the club they work, so, yeah, that outside income comes from their being strippers.
I also think you are misinterpreting my earlier statement that these girls make more than the average working man to equate to "these girls make more than you or I do."
Based on our adventures, I'd say most of the posters here are making high-fives or better. Most strippers make mid to high-fives. The average working man, though, is making low-fives in this area.
So it all started with me explaining why a five or even ten dollar tip on the stage isn't going to pry her ass away from where she plants it and over to the monger who tipped her.
Think about it... If you lost a five dollar bill, would you fret over it? To these girls, who are, routinely, handed random high-dollar amounts to do something many of them end up enjoying, a five dollar bill is nothing.
And that's really been the whole point all along. And one you agree with. Want a stripper's attention? Give her a decent amount of money.
Your biggest point of contention (other than refusing to believe these girls actually make, what most would consider, a decent living) seems to have started with my suggestion of giving the girl you want twenty bucks to get up from the guy she's with and come get some VIP action with you.
It was just a suggestion and one that works.[/QUOTE]Mike,
If you got the inside knowledge that you say you do then maybe your right and I'm wrong. My numbers are based on the clubs I frequent (YBOR STRIP AND 2001) and the few girls I've known outside the club. I have faith in my numbers I gave because when you average in all the nights these girls don't make money vs the nights they make a killing it really brings the averages down. On another note about the drugs, bad boyfriends and drama etc., some of these girls actually have a decent head on thier shoulders and live normal lives outside the club. Yes I would admit your drug use and personal drama is higher among dancers then your average girl but this streotype that every single one of them is a junkie and has some shitty boyfriend living off her is not true either.