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[QUOTE=Pna]@Nighthawk: Not to sound like President Clinton, but what is sex? If it was just friction on your dick-tion you could rub one out and save your money, or buy a rubber toy (and let's be honest, with most everything covered these days, aren't we all basically paying to fuck a little rubber bag?)

It's those other intangibles that make it worth the money.

I'll apologize for the inclusive 'we'.[/QUOTE]

As an ex-seminarian and the owner of a complete set of the 1906-7 Catholic Encyclopedia, I can give you the pre-Vatican II answer to what is "sex."

The only recognized "sex" is when the penis is inserted into a vagina and there is ejaculation. Nothing else counts. Anal, oral, Russian, manual, etc. don't count as Catholic "sex."

If you insert a condom covered penis and shoot a load, this is known as "mutual masturbation" as no ejaculation into the vagina was performed.

Since Bill Clinton went to Georgetown University and was taught by the Jesuits it is possible that his Monica "lie" was actually truthful in his mind from a strict, old fashioned Catholic viewpoint. A blowjob might still be a mortal sin in Catholic theology, but it is not "sex."

[QUOTE=LordAlfred]The dude is the best looking one LOL![/QUOTE]I thought the same thing.

[QUOTE=Ghostface89]As an ex-seminarian and the owner of a complete set of the 1906-7 Catholic Encyclopedia, I can give you the pre-Vatican II answer to what is "sex."

The only recognized "sex" is when the penis is inserted into a vagina and there is ejaculation. Nothing else counts. Anal, oral, Russian, manual, etc. don't count as Catholic "sex."

If you insert a condom covered penis and shoot a load, this is known as "mutual masturbation" as no ejaculation into the vagina was performed.

Since Bill Clinton went to Georgetown University and was taught by the Jesuits it is possible that his Monica "lie" was actually truthful in his mind from a strict, old fashioned Catholic viewpoint. A blowjob might still be a mortal sin in Catholic theology, but it is not "sex."[/QUOTE]I've read some interesting definitions of "sex", but that one has to be one of *the* most convoluting ones I've ever encountered! makes me kinda glad I never converted, actually.

[QUOTE=Pna]Brilliant post...period. And, a wonderful primer on the psychology of sex work.

The problem we men have is that we forget that we are paying for isn't sex, mostly, but an illusion....of love, affection, respect, friendship, etc (with lots of sex thrown in). We want the illusion to be real so badly that we 'buy in to our own bullshit', and THAT is when things go downhill in a hurry.

Let us all keep our perspective.[/QUOTE]

I pay for sex to get sex and not "love, affection, respect, friendship, etc". Paying for sex allows you to walk away and not worry about the drama of a girlfriend. I pay for sex when "I" want it and I don't get phone calls in the middle of the night asking me if I love somebody or not, if there will ever be more from the relationship, why I don't call, etc.

Like Charlie Sheen once said... "we" pay for them to leave.

Did you guys know that they are about to consider making solicitation a felony?

There are some other ugly parts of these proposed changes to the laws. I for one plan to call these politicians Monday and tell them how unhappy I am.

I got this from another web site.

[quote]HB6195- “End Demand” in Illinois
Illinois sex workers need your help TODAY!

The Criminal Law Committee of the Illinois General Assembly is holding a hearing on HB6195 on Monday, March 22 at 4pm. We need everyone to call and email the members of this committee TODAY stating why this bill SHOULD NOT be passed! HB6195 is problematic for many reasons-

1) The clause excluding married couples (Sec. 11-14.1) can lead to prejudicial behavior by the police against ANYONE in ANY sort of extra-marital relationship with someone perceived by law enforcement to be a prostitute.

2) Sec. 11-18. This law could effectively make it a crime to date someone law enforcement perceives to be a prostitute. This law could also be interpreted to criminalize just being in the residence of a person perceived to be a prostitute.

3) Sec. 11-19. This definition of “pimping” could include anyone in a relationship with a “prostitute” that involves income or expense sharing; including partners, children, roommates, dependent parents, or other sex workers.

4) Sec. 11-15 Raises the penalty soliciting a prostitute to a Class 3 Felony, punishable by 2-5 years incarceration and up to a $25,000 fine. This is problematic for many reasons, including: a) this forces street-level prostitutes further underground and increases the stigma they already face: forcing them to turn to even more unsafe working conditions as they struggle to make a living, b) felony convictions not only put a drain on an already over-extended legal system, but they may result in job and/ or certification loss for many professionals including lawyers, doctors, government officials, bonded drivers/ security officers, and military personnel, among others.

The full text of HB6195 is here- [url]http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?DocName=&SessionId=76&GA=96&DocTypeId=HB&DocNum=6195&GAID=10&LegID=52182&SpecSess=&Session=[/url]

Please call or email the members of the Criminal Law Committee before Monday, March 22 and tell them to vote “NO” on HB6195.
If you don’t get an answer at one office PLEASE try the other. Time is SHORT!

Representative Constance A. Howard
(217) 786-6476
(773) 783-8800
[email]howardca@ilga.gov[/email]

Representative Annazette Collins
(217) 782-8077
(773) 533-0010
[email]collinsar@ilga.gov[/email]

Representative Dennis M. Reboletti
(217) 782-4014
(630) 530-2730
[email]dennisreboletti@sbcglobal.net[/email]

Representative Esther Golar
(217) 782-5971
(773) 925-6580
[email]esthergolar@sbcglobal.net[/email]

Representative Emily McAsey
(217) 782-4179
(815) 588-0085

Representative Jim Sacia
(217) 782-8186
(815) 232-0774
[email]JimSacia@aeroinc.net[/email]

Representative Ronald A. Wait
(217) 782-0548
(815) 547-7771
[email]repwait777@aol.com[/email]

March 18, 2010[/quote]

Can anyone PM me on rooms to rent for a couple hours in the city both north and south. How is that place at 47 and ashland? What are rates? Do they have towels to use? Are they secure/discrete? Thanks to all.

[QUOTE=SportingLife]Did you guys know that they are about to consider making solicitation a felony?

There are some other ugly parts of these proposed changes to the laws. I for one plan to call these politicians Monday and tell them how unhappy I am.

I got this from another web site.[/QUOTE]The state is running well into the red on it's budget, so some genius decides we need to make the already overcrowded prisions even more so, at how much more per person?

Why do I think someone is playing to the "Let's clean up sin!" crowd with this one?

The base problem with the hobby at the moment is that the criminal element that has taken control of it. LE isn't after the occasional hobbyist who indulges in order remind himself his is actually still alive, but rather those providers and their "posse's" who now are a part of drug-money based organized crime. Those elements have all but taken over Craigslist and especially BackPage, and LE knows it. In the process, the semi-pro and non-pro posters have become too leery to post for fear of being busted, and genuinely having their lives ruined, while just trying to make ends meet. It's no coincidence that the busts are involving larger numbers of providers, and are based on neighborhood reports of excess traffic at all hours. Those locals don't care if a single mother is making a few bucks on the weekends down at the local "No Tell Motel", but they do care when their neighborhood is at risk because a flood of seedy and dangerous types have suddenly appeared, and it's obvious there's a lot more going on than just some harmless "slap & tickle for coin". Even though I am a dedicated hobbyist, I am going to stand on the side of LE on this one, because it appears they are doing the right thing in addressing an issue that is far larger and far more serious than most of the rest of us realize.

As for my hobbying interests, I won't use CL, or BP anymore, because whether it's LE, or the fake ads, pics, and awful providers, and those in the background supporting their habits, it's just gotten too dangerous, and money is too tight to be wasting it. I have stuck with a couple well-known and established providers whom I can trust, and have been responding to posts in the dating and casual encounters sections. Most established providers have adjusted their required donations to suit the lean times, and are thrilled to have a regular they can trust, because they too are being very careful, just as we are. Because of lower volume, the level of service has actually improved with the pros. And yes, the "casuals" postings are 99% spam, but there are still gems to be found, though it's gotten increasingly difficult.

So if you saw someone a couple of years ago, but haven't seen them post lately, and you somehow still have their number, try calling them. You might be surprised to find they are still available, and if their memory of you is positive, they might be very interested in renewing the friendship. And when you score on a non-pro posting, do her and the rest of us a favor by passing along (only with her permission) the info.

Feel free to disagree, but that's my 2 cents worth.

CW

That place is a bit rough and the rooms aren't great but they did have towles and the rate was really cheap, $27 for 3 hours I believe. I would only use it during the day myself.

[QUOTE=Quimby]Can anyone PM me on rooms to rent for a couple hours in the city both north and south. How is that place at 47 and ashland? What are rates? Do they have towels to use? Are they secure/discrete? Thanks to all.[/QUOTE]

Washington and Sacremento - room for 2 hours $22 bucks, give you little hand towels. Room not great but what do you want? Got to share a bathroom.

[QUOTE=SportingLife]Did you guys know that they are about to consider making solicitation a felony?

There are some other ugly parts of these proposed changes to the laws. I for one plan to call these politicians Monday and tell them how unhappy I am.

I got this from another web site.[/QUOTE]

End demand by turning it into a felony? That's asinine. Sex is like food or air; people need it. The demand will never die. The irony is that such a law could backfire on some of our elected officials and those who enforce these laws.

Why in this day and age of people saying we need less government are we wasting time and money with this proposed law? It's legal for me to buy a product that's laced with addictive chemicals that will potentially kill me of lung cancer. It's legal for me to potentially destroy my liver with drink. Yet if I want to pay some broad to rub one out for me, that's illegal. Where's the harm if I'm practicing safer sex and the girl is doing it because it's her chosen profession?

If one travels to certain counties in Nevada he can legally pay a girl to screw him until his wallet is empty. Moreover, if one visits very religious countries, such as Italy and Israel, you'll find that prostitution is legal. If the religious folks say it's okay to go out and bust a nut in exchange for a few Euros or Shekels, why can't our free market system allow us to do the same?

Prostitution is legal in many, many countries, and, of course, parts of Nevada. Isn't that enough evidence that it's not a horrible thing? In my opinion, Illinois could benefit from focusing on much more important issues instead of pondering whether or not it should further crowd the penal system with this nonsensical proposal that wastes time and money. As a taxpayer, I'd be extremely grateful if our elected officials spent their time trying to figure out how we can rebuild our manufacturing sector or how we can get our asses out of a very serious recession.

Enough of my diatribe, I'm stressed and I need some relief. I'm stepping off my soapbox and heading out for a HE.

[QUOTE=Raoul Duke]End demand by turning it into a felony? That's asinine. Sex is like food or air; people need it. The demand will never die. The irony is that such a law could backfire on some of our elected officials and those who enforce such laws.

Why in this day and age of people saying we need less government are we wasting time and money with this proposed law? It's legal for me to buy a product that's laced with addictive chemicals that will potentially kill me of lung cancer. It's legal for me to potentially destroy my liver with drink. Yet if I want to pay some broad to rub one out for me, that's illegal. Where's the harm if I'm practicing safer sex and the girl is doing it because it's her chosen profession?

If one travels to certain counties in Nevada he can legally pay a girl to screw him until his wallet is empty. Moreover, if one visits very religious countries, such as Italy and Israel, you'll find that prostitution is legal. If the religious folks say it's okay to go out and bust a nut in exchange for a few Euros or Shekels, why can't our free market system allow us to do the same?

Prostitution is legal in many, many countries, and, of course, parts of Nevada. Isn't that enough evidence that it's not a horrible thing? In my opinion, Illinois could benefit from focusing on much more important issues instead of pondering whether or not it should further crowd the penal system with this nonsensical proposal that wastes time and money. As a taxpayer, I'd be extremely grateful if our elected officials spent their time trying to figure out how we can rebuild our manufacturing sector or how we can get our asses out of a very serious recession.

Enough of my diatribe, I'm stressed and I need some relief. I'm stepping off my soapbox and heading out for a HE.[/QUOTE]

Politicians don't care about what we think. They pass many unenforceable laws, many of which make them very rich. Our Senators and Congressman have multimillion dollar homes and summer homes on what 200K a year? The money doesn't add up. They spend millions of their own money for these positions.

The politicians hate all of us. We have more people per capita in prison than any other country in the world. We used to criticize the USSR for political prisoners, but our drug laws have imprisoned millions of of out citizens, there is wide open war going on in Mexico and the drugs keep coming. How long has our war on drugs been going on? Didn't we learn anything from Prohibition? Nope. Our politicians get rich, some crooked cops get rich and all they do is look for ways to arrest more of us.

Both parties are running the deficit so high that there is a real danger of economic, if not political collapse. We want to borrow more money than any other country has in their economy. The Chinese used to buy much of the debt, but they got burned bad in the housing melt down. Moody's is already threatening to drop our AAA bond rating, which will drive our interest payments sky high in a time that many are out of work and paying no taxes. In short, don't expect logical behaviour from these political swine. They are only out to enrich themselves and to hell with all of us.

One side note, prostitution is no longer legal in Italy. I was there 3 years ago talking with a native and was told the elected a female Prime Minister who outlawed prostitution.

[QUOTE=Chiwtr]The base problem with the hobby at the moment is that the criminal element that has taken control of it. LE isn't after the occasional hobbyist who indulges in order remind himself his is actually still alive, but rather those providers and their "posse's" who now are a part of drug-money based organized crime. Those elements have all but taken over Craigslist and especially BackPage, and LE knows it. In the process, the semi-pro and non-pro posters have become too leery to post for fear of being busted, and genuinely having their lives ruined, while just trying to make ends meet. It's no coincidence that the busts are involving larger numbers of providers, and are based on neighborhood reports of excess traffic at all hours. Those locals don't care if a single mother is making a few bucks on the weekends down at the local "No Tell Motel", but they do care when their neighborhood is at risk because a flood of seedy and dangerous types have suddenly appeared, and it's obvious there's a lot more going on than just some harmless "slap & tickle for coin". Even though I am a dedicated hobbyist, I am going to stand on the side of LE on this one, because it appears they are doing the right thing in addressing an issue that is far larger and far more serious than most of the rest of us realize.

As for my hobbying interests, I won't use CL, or BP anymore, because whether it's LE, or the fake ads, pics, and awful providers, and those in the background supporting their habits, it's just gotten too dangerous, and money is too tight to be wasting it. I have stuck with a couple well-known and established providers whom I can trust, and have been responding to posts in the dating and casual encounters sections. Most established providers have adjusted their required donations to suit the lean times, and are thrilled to have a regular they can trust, because they too are being very careful, just as we are. Because of lower volume, the level of service has actually improved with the pros. And yes, the "casuals" postings are 99% spam, but there are still gems to be found, though it's gotten increasingly difficult.

So if you saw someone a couple of years ago, but haven't seen them post lately, and you somehow still have their number, try calling them. You might be surprised to find they are still available, and if their memory of you is positive, they might be very interested in renewing the friendship. And when you score on a non-pro posting, do her and the rest of us a favor by passing along (only with her permission) the info.

Feel free to disagree, but that's my 2 cents worth.

CW[/QUOTE]Then again, I can't agree with much of anything else said herein. Since the beginning of the year, I've used BP four time. Of those, two were (I am fairly sure) independents. One of them ended up inviting me to visit her at her place, and as the saying goes, a good time was had by all. Of the other two, one I decided not to see (last-minute interference) and the other one turned out to be a flake who wouldn't answer when I made the location "call-back". So in at least 50% of the times I've used it, BP has come through. I had a "regular", but our arrangement didn't work out (she got too mercenary) and haven't found one I'm ready to label a "Keeper" since. So how else should I go about looking?

HG, you still around? Get in touch with me if so. I hope all is well.

A 22yo acquaintance once told me that there were plenty of women who were interested in sx-only relationships meeting men through ******* (she called this 'finding a fckbddy'). I'd rate her at about an 8 on a 10 scale and she said even she had a ******* page and has 'hooked-up' plenty of times. I never looked into it, but anyone have any experience with this?

[QUOTE=Castlerae]So in at least 50% of the times I've used it, BP has come through. I had a "regular", but our arrangement didn't work out (she got too mercenary) and haven't found one I'm ready to label a "Keeper" since. So how else should I go about looking?[/QUOTE]