Massage Parlor Reports

The I'd must be government issued per statute. Oh by the way, you see the cameras in front of every single massage place? You ever heard of facial recognition? Really you honestly think you're a mystery? And the hotels? Same thing. And you don't think they turn over these videos, or they can't get warrants from them? Really? You don't think they can put an unmarked car near one of these places? Webcams on adjoining buildings.

Guys, look the police aren't stupid. They know about every massage parlor, every aromatherapy shop, they know the names and locations of every single girl who works on escort alligator and in the hotels. I spoke recently with a long time sheriff. He said "there's no victim, these are two consenting parties. " and this simply isn't a priority to them. If the state or local government wants to shut any of these places down, they'll simply use confidential informants. They send someone in trouble with the law, offer them immunity, give them cash, and send them in. These guys can get naked, touch the girls whatever. Oh at this whole donation bs, yeah right!

My advice to all of you: Don't give the police a reason to make you a priority or a problem. Show up sober, no drugs don't get rough with the girls or rip them off. When the politicians and the the's office decide to make an example, they're going to do it. Your I'd and paperwork in the place isn't going to mean a thing. Oh and any idea that the cops can't go into the massage places without a warrant, guess what, they can anytime. It's a closely regulated industry. I didn't speak with my attorney concerning aromatherapy. By the way I don't care if the cops promise you the moon, assert directly your right to remain silent and call out the 5th amendment when you do it and immediately demand you speak to an attorney before answering any questions. Period.

[QUOTE=CuriousTourist;7005612]This happened in a different city in Florida, but I'm sharing this on multiple forums in case it is of interest or assistance.

I went to one of my favorite parlors, and for the first time I was given the sign in sheet where I had to provide name, address, etc etc etc. The mamasan said that she thought they were ALSO going to need to be checking IDs soon (I'm guessing especially as the elections come near, and probably in the months after, at least). She said they may even need to make a copy of it, to prove they checked and that the info they recorded matches the IDs.

This got me thinking, so I reached out to a buddy of mine up in New England. He has a business that prints I'd cards for businesses. I asked him if he ever does fake IDs. Now, I'm clearly no where near the drinking age, so he asked me why the hell I'd want a fake I'd? I told him that they had just put this stupid law in place down here that if you go to get a massage, they're supposed to get a copy of your I'd. With all the identity theft going on, I don't like the idea of giving any random people a copy of my info. I also said it sounds like they're going to be copying it soon, and that just makes me nervous to have a copy of my actual I'd being kept at one of these places..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RobinStPete;7006493]The ID must be government issued per statute.[/QUOTE]That is an INCORRECT statement.

Refer to this post for perspective:

[QUOTE=DrWilly;6990793]Per actual text of Florida HB197, and as [B]Thunter[/B] has alluded to previously, employees of a Massage Establishment are not [B]required[/B] to scan, or even view, your government issued ID. The law simply states they are required to "verify", but does not demand examination of government issued ID. One could ask how verification is possible WITHOUT viewing an ID, such as your Driver License, but this law does not explicitly demand that action as the sole possible method. The Massage Establishment could reasonably contend that they viewed the customer's business card, or his "Employee Badge/ID", or any other reasonable form of ([U]NON-GOVERNMENT ISSUED[/U]) identification.

How they choose to "verify" has been left ambiguous by the wording of the law, so if LE wants to criticize their verification procedures, LE would still seem to have a difficult time enforcing any sort of [U]government issued ID[/U] check. As the law fails to demand that action on the part of the Massage Establishment.

For those contemplating flashing a "fake government issued ID" to an AMP, be aware that use of a "fake ID", McLovin' or otherwise, has other consequences. Florida Law stipulates that it's [RED]illegal to possess and/or display a fake, forged, stolen, counterfeit or borrowed driver's license or state-issued identification card[/RED]. The statute ([URL=https://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2011/322.212][b][u]Florida Statute 322.212[/u][/b][/URL]) makes the mere possession of a fake ID a crime, and the ID does not need to be used for any particular purpose. If you are caught with a fake ID, the penalty can be filed (at the discretion of the States Attorney) as a third-degree felony carrying a jail sentence of up to 5 years with a fine up to $5000 (that's a lot of hobby-dollars). This CLEARLY does not apply to a NON-government issued form of identifcation.

So, if one wanted to employ use of a "fake ID", make sure it's a bogus Employment Badge or Identification, or some other NON-GOVERNMENT issued ID ... even a business card! ... with the necessary information to satisfy any AMP asking for ID. If a customer were to DO that, once you leave the AMP, there is nothing tying you back to that bogus logbook entry, as long as you don't show LE your "fake" business card, Employee Badge/ID, or any other non-government issued ID you may have used (this to address [B]QuartzB[/B]s concern below).

For the full text of House Bill 197, [URL=https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2024/197/BillText/Filed/PDF][b][red]CLICK HERE[/red][/b][/URL] and draw your attention to Paragraph F, beginning at PDF document line number 250 on page 11, for specific reference to the matters discussed above. For anyone paranoid about links, or otherwise click-challenged, I'll paste a snippet here again that [B]Thunter[/B] pasted a few days ago:

[quote](f) [red]A massage establishment must maintain a complete set
of legible records[/red] in English [b]or[/b] Spanish, which must include the
date, time, and type of service or treatment provided; the full
legal name of the employee who provided the service or
treatment; and the [red]full legal name, home address, and telephone
number of the client or patient[/red]. Medical records may satisfy
this requirement if the records include the specified
information. A copy of the client's or patient's [red][b]photo
identification[/b][/red] may be used to provide the full legal name and
home address of the client or patient. Records required under
this paragraph must be maintained for at least 1 year after a
service or treatment is provided. All information required under
this paragraph must be collected and recorded before any service
or treatment is provided to a client or patient. The
establishment must confirm the identification of the client or
patient before any service or treatment is provided to the
client or patient.[/quote]

[b]NOTICE WHERE IT STIPULATES "[u]PHOTO IDENTIFICATION[/u]" IT DOES [RED][u]NOT[/u][/red] DEMAND A "[u]GOVERNMENT ISSUED[/u]" FORM OF IDENTIFICATION!!![/b] While casual readers may want to infer that requirement, such "inferences" are not part of a lawyer's lexicon, nor an actual part of this law.

For anyone getting 'pulled over' by LE after an AMP visit, ostensibly for some minor traffic violation, and then being interrogated by the deputy, the YouTube video here would seem to be a safe, albeit "ballsy" way to handle that.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR-AjJeunXk[/URL]

I'm sure that would piss off the deputy for not being able to use you for their harrassment objectives of the AMP, so I'm also guessing they'd make that 'traffic stop' as long as painful as possible, but as long as you've done nothing else illegal, LE should have nothing on you. JUST DON'T ANSWER [B][u]ANY[/u][/B] QUESTIONS! ... it's your right NOT to do so.[/QUOTE]

Great report, was it MSOG for your session?

[QUOTE=RavenousRick;7004965]Took the time and made the drive. Did all the things, separated my money into easy to hand over stacks, and walked up to the spa. Monger leaving as I cross the parking lot so I walked slow as to not bump into one of you fine gentlemen.

Enter the spa and drew Tiffany, simply stunning. Easily in her middle 20's but most likely in her middle 30's. Light makeup, not caked on, black yoga pants and a tight white sports top. She could have been headed to the gym and it was hot.

Went to the room, requested hour, handed over the. 8 plus the $. 6 tip and told her that should cover everything I wanted. She did a count, told me thank you, and left to stow the money. When she returned she stripped and told me the shower was occupied. She suggested doing the shower at the end. Jr agreed as he was already rising to the occasion.

I did ask for the second girl, and paid the extra $ for the 4 hands. This was both good and bad. The good was It was Mia with the tattoo and her BBBJ skills are amazing, the bad is that having the 2nd girl took away from the attention I got to give to Tiffany and Mia was older and not my type. She was attractive and aggressive in her desire to please, and this was welcomed in her BBBJ skills, but she was shooting for the finish line the entire time whereas Tiffany really seemed to be enjoying herself. Tiffany is simply the total package. Slightly tall, slim, flawless skin, beautiful C / D boobs, cute little butt, and she was passionate throughout the exp. None of that fake "oh yes baby" stuff. She was all slight moans and squeezes with her legs and hands. Little kisses on the neck and ears, slow, passionate kisses with just the right amount of tongue. Made the whole experience seem like a visit to a passionate lover and not a professional massage lady.

There were plenty of positions and the final finish was with Mia BBBJCIM and Tiffany pressed against my body, FIV, moaning in my ear and kissing me. After, I got a light massage and we forgot about the shower. Originally I was sad the shower was occupied, but it ended up not mattering as I was full satisfied.

Tiffany walked me out, handed my a water, and gave me another kiss in the lobby. She said she will be there 2 more weeks and then she is not sure if management will have her back. I certainly hope they do. With her passion she is a refreshing change to the normal experience.[/QUOTE]

In the spirit of the board, let's get back to reviews.

Made a recent trip to VM. Although I've read great reviews about the new gals, I decided to ask for Monica. She has that asian MILF look, I like.

Gave the expected gift on arrival and waited for my turn in the que. The bottleneck seems to be the TS shower room. They could probably benefit from having a second TS room.

Great TS and body slide. Things got hot and heavy on the TS mat.

Times up and back to the room. She got me all worked up, I could only muster a BBBJ and one position.

No massage but a good time. I looked around and I noticed some cosmetology or nail salon equipment has been showing up in the rooms. So if anyone asks, you had your nails done.

Heard a rumor they were closed. Perhaps just vacation maybe?? What the next best? PT?

[QUOTE=RickJohn;7008312]Heard a rumor they were closed. Perhaps just vacation maybe?? What the next best? PT?[/QUOTE]Got text from them saying taking break for vacation and re-open by September 1st.

[QUOTE=RickJohn;7008312]Heard a rumor they were closed. Perhaps just vacation maybe?? What the next best? PT?[/QUOTE]I just talked to Vinca on the phone and they advised that they were closed for 'vacation' until next week.

Have you noticed many AMPs are closing on Sundays or at least decreasing their hours??

[QUOTE=SenecaCuck;7009832]Have you noticed many AMPs are closing on Sundays or at least decreasing their hours??[/QUOTE]I've noticed a large number in Tampa and a few in Pinellas that have closed permanently or closed for renovations. I think some are waiting to see how the law pans out. Out of state license holders probably decided it's not worth the risk to get a professional violation too.

Lily spa (former Body Temple) appears to be renovating. One thing in the new law is no dark tint in massage vestibules. It appears they have removed the limo tint and now have clear windows and and a somewhat legit looking lobbing.

All this will probably push more shops to go locked door and appointment only.

Who's closed Sunday?

[QUOTE=SenecaCuck;7009832]Have you noticed many AMPs are closing on Sundays or at least decreasing their hours??[/QUOTE]Sunday is one of the most busy times for these places so I assume it's a one off situation.

Will be staying at St. Pete Beach. Ideas of FS AMP's or shops would be appreciated. Will not be able to get away for long.

[QUOTE=BeFriends;7013817]Will be staying at St. Pete Beach. Ideas of FS AMP's or shops would be appreciated. Will not be able to get away for long.[/QUOTE]There are none on St. Petersburg Beach that I am aware of. My advice would be to drive to Pine Tree if possible. Stay safe.

[QUOTE=Call234;7014338]There are none on St. Petersburg Beach that I am aware of. My advice would be to drive to Pine Tree if possible. Stay safe.[/QUOTE]This is the Pinetree in Largo, correct? Last year when I was down, I was supposed to go by there and see Soda. She left the day before I arrived. Does anybody know if she's still around in that part of Florida? Are used to see her often in Atlanta.

My assumption, based mostly on this forum and my own experience, was that peak hours for AMPs was weekdays, 9-5. Target demo being older guys who are either retired or work a job that give them an opportunity to get away during the day. Also my experience, the best time to cheat on your wife is when she thinks you are someplace plausible.

My assumptions were being challenged and I sought out some data that you guys might find interesting. As you may know google and your phone team up to track your every move. There are many opt outs and precautions you can take but most people don't bother. Just google "vinca massage" and you can see the popular times when people are there. Granted, because of the way that shopping center is layed out, it might be hard for the cell tower to distinguish between patrons of Vinca, the smoke shop, the gym, etc.

Nonetheless, this could be a helpful tool for planning your visit. Imagine these little blue bars are stacks of little blue pills.

Knowing is half the battle.

[QUOTE=ShlomoGold;7010796]Sunday is one of the most busy times for these places so I assume it's a one off situation.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sexhoundtn2;7014574]This is the Pinetree in Largo, correct? Last year when I was down, I was supposed to go by there and see Soda. She left the day before I arrived. Does anybody know if she's still around in that part of Florida? Are used to see her often in Atlanta.[/QUOTE]Yes, the Pine Tree in Largo. I may be mistaken, but I don't think Soda has been in the Tampa Bay area for a while. I saw her once a few years ago, and she was excellent.