Massage Parlor Reports

[QUOTE=Wane9867;1450912] LEO wouldn't be looking for us to make the case for them as this stuff wouldn't hold up. However as much as we hate to think it any reviews would point an aggressive and diligent detective toward his or her goal.[/quote]
The newspaper states that LEO used this board as probable cause to build a case to investigate My1501. This article proves that. Read the end of this newsarticle about My1501 and then read the following quote from this board by Sunycide.
[url]Http://newsandtribune.com/local/x850290168/Five-women-arrested-for-prostitution-in-Jeffersonville[/url] [QUOTE=Sunycide; 1160203]I believe so.

How this place has not been cracked open like a coconut is beyond me. The reviews are less then 50% positive and just SCREAMS "bust" (to me at least). I might go visit some of their providers, but not while they work there.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wane9867;1450912]Heck even sending PMs is not 100% if you think about it. If I were a detective the and assigned to work sex crimes that first thing I would do is get start an account here and on other boards. Post a few things and some reviews of ladies I hadn't seen. One could make those reviews seem pretty solid by just echoing what others have posted. Next thing you know I am a senior member and people are sharing PMs with me. I am sure that there are some law enforcement here as senior members as it wouldn't be hard to do.

I don't post here often as there are in my opinion to many here some how feel superior because of their senior status. It really isn't a great accomplishment just means that you have time and or money on your hands to play the game more than some.[/QUOTE]Being a senior really doesn't mean that members have more time and money on their hands or rather more knowledge, it means they have been posting for six months. That is all it takes to become a senior. It isn't about "quality" of your posts, it's about how long you've been a member. Six months to the day of joining, one will become a member. So yes, it is very easy to do. But think about it, when you "out" the lady, you could put yourself at risk if you ever plan to go back. Think back to the MY1501 case. Members had a ball on here last summer telling everything the ladies did and for how much $$. Now members are in hiding for fear of the client list and a mess with LE which they themselves help to create by getting on here with their public posts. See how that works?

In closing, PMs are not 100% safe, but they MAYBE a bit safer. Really there just isn't much more we can do than that.

[QUOTE=Wane9867; 1450912]Many raved about the creative writing in this report. Personally don't see the point. You can use all the double entendres you want and creative descriptions but this review is no different than saying the provider is full service. No not busting the chops of the poster but saying this is no different then the review you guys are tearing up. Yes I am sure that LEO looks at this site and several others big deal. Lets face it a non-graphic review creates attention as well. If LEO is reading these reviews then just the fact that a lady who advertises as an escort and is mentioned here with many favorable, yet benign, reviews wouldn't warrant his attention think again. LEO wouldn't be looking for us to make the case for them as this stuff wouldn't hold up. However as much as we hate to think it any reviews would point an aggressive and diligent detective toward his or her goal.

Heck even sending PMs is not 100% if you think about it. If I were a detective the and assigned to work sex crimes that first thing I would do is get start an account here and on other boards. Post a few things and some reviews of ladies I hadn't seen. One could make those reviews seem pretty solid by just echoing what others have posted. Next thing you know I am a senior member and people are sharing PMs with me. I am sure that there are some law enforcement here as senior members as it wouldn't be hard to do.

In closing gentlemen there is no easy answer to this conundrum. If we want to really protect the ladies then the only real answer is not to share information. However then we can't assist one another in making informed decisions that way. Either way you look at it as a buyer or seller this hobby is illegal and there are risk associated with that. Can't say I am the genius that has the answer but don't see the need for bashing others about their post. I don't post here often as there are in my opinion to many here some how feel superior because of their senior status. It really isn't a great accomplishment just means that you have time and or money on your hands to play the game more than some.

If someone happens to read this like Legal Eagle that has some inside into the legal system please advise of my thoughts on an investigator putting 2 and 2 together are not accurate. If I am completely off base say so and I will go back under my rock.[/QUOTE]I actually have the similar feelings as this fellow. I chuckle when I hear about "dreams" and these "supposed" hypothetical, make believe sessions. You know you fucked her. I know you fucked her. LEO knows you fucked her. The site is USA Sex Guide for fucks sake.

LEO knows these girls screw. They know we screw them. The key is not being there IF and WHEN they decide to show up. No decoder ring or speaking in hypotheticals is going to protect you from an awkward situation if the police show up. I guarantee there are senior members that are LEO. Guarantee. What then? You all act like we are all friends and know each other like high school classmates. Y'all don't have a fucking clue who I am or what I do. Do I generally take what you all say at face value? Yes. But at the end of the day it's my decision on who I see and why.

Prove I've seen any of the girls I've reviewed. What if I said I'd actually seen 5 times as many girls as I've reviewed. I'm not taunting, I'm just saying its silly to jump someone for saying he came in her mouth. There are girls walking the street selling pussy, while cops watch, while you prowl, and I'm supposed to worry about what I type on a message board? I've been quoted in the effing paper after the 1501 bust for craps sake!

Until busts start happening regularly I refuse to believe that vague references of dreams protects you more then saying you plowed her. I think what most really worry about are the girls that know who you are here, what you said, how you said it, OR if you defended them if their name was trashed. If some girls ask if I know of this site you think I actually tell them? I know some people here have no social skills to pick up puss, but I didn't think we were all dumb and stupid too.

Hello gentlemen, been a fairly avid lurker on this board for around a year now, and have found it to be very informative as well as entertaining. Have learned from my own painful experiences, and ascertained from the great advice on this board that I'm not much of a TOFTT'er very much these days, but do have a strong tendency to run with it after only one good review if the provider is just that damn hot. My logging in ability has been screwed up on this site for almost all of the time since I set up the account, and only realized today that it was the particular computer I was using, so I have only been able to add one report and that was as "KyBoy" for Sarah Jane a while back. Sooooo other all that said, brings me to today's sojourn of my first trip to TG. I was Rachel's second client when she started at Hot Rocks and got to know her a little, and was quite familiar with the level and quality of service she and Kate provided. Was hoping in for a level of service comparable to that when I made the appointment today at TG with Harley. Can't say I was disappointed. Cute little gal, seemed totally free of any type of intoxicants and did a good job. Feel free to pm for details.

[QUOTE=Wane9867;1450912]If I am completely off base say so and I will go back under my rock.[/QUOTE]You have pointed out the conundrum succinctly, Wane. The primary goal of Jackson's board, as I understand it, is the sharing of information necessary to protect the privacy and safety of the hobbyists (primarily) and the providers (secondarily.) I have held my tongue for the past few months in this regard in so far as the mongers with the highest degree of familiarity with this board understand its true purpose. I have to confess, with some trepidation, that I am not certain that security is the primary concern of some the membership.

I watched in utter disbelief the sequence of events leading to the discussion of "K" and the specific nature of her services. Granted, I have concerns about her benefactor and whether that particular operation, as well as a related operation, is a hindrance to us all. I have shared that concern in enough detail to warrant sparing you a rehash of the conversation. This concern notwithstanding, I came to the swift conclusion that the outing of "K" was done intentionally. Given the care I have observed from some of the senior membership in addressing information in the past, I could not reconcile how she was outed with the careful navigation routinely practiced by most of the membership. I do not know who the rookie member was who offered detailed information (we cannot know who is behind that account,) but it was reckless beyond a simple explanation of "I did not know." A brief review of the posts on this board-and the use of "dream language"-would have clued even a casual observer in to the method and the means of sharing information.

I do not fault Nobecz for referencing the advertising link. The damage was done at that point, and in many ways Nobecz provided a valuable service in clearing out the debris. Predators always go for the strays and injured first. The pack knows this and acts accordingly to keep the remainder of the pack safe."K's" fate, albeit undeserved, is sealed.

That law enforcement reads this board is common knowledge. That they focus on the most frequently referenced providers and locations is a fact which hardly needs explanation. That law enforcement operates behind covert board handles is likewise clear from some of the recent arrests, investigations and information shared publicly in the media and other review sites.

The real question, therefore, is how best to counter what we know is surreptitious leakage of service information. The answer to that question is above my experience level, candidly. From my perspective, ensuring a secure system of information sharing would require a sea change in perspective and approach on this board. There is a fixed hierarchy here among the membership, and the affinity of hobbyists with owners and providers has unfortunately compromised the objectivity necessary to support the sharing of accurate, valid and timely information. You even have members here who, amazingly enough, have met personally outside this board. I could not envision a scenario more prone to innuendo, manipulation and bias than the one that exists here on this board. I say this not as a neophyte's critique of those senior in experience and standing, but rather as an observation of a few of the dynamics that lend themselves to the use of this board by law enforcement to pierce the veil of security and secrecy of the membership.

There has been much made of the "22 Rules of Mongering" on this board Allow me, if I may, to offer one additional rule: "Do Not Ignore the Obvious." This means, in imminently practical terms, that 1) if a place has been raided, it will be raided again; 2) if you are aware of what a provider does because someone told you, so is law enforcement, and 3) if you have to ask what a provider advertising in the sites routinely used offers for service, you are asking the wrong question and are venturing into the wrong game.

Do not ignore the obvious, fellow board members. This was not a random event, and law enforcement is watching.

[QUOTE=SlipperyDick;1450973]Think back to the MY1501 case. Members had a ball on here last summer telling everything the ladies did and for how much $$. Now members are in hiding for fear of the client list and a mess with LE which they themselves help to create by getting on here with their public posts. See how that works?.[/QUOTE]I do see what you are saying and really do see your point. Just the simple sharing of any information is putting the provider in the spotlight. Take 1501 for example. Remember reading or seeing on TV what prompted the investigation was complaints from the business in the area. You take that and then you look at any reviews rather graphic or not then LE starts to connect the dots. That is the conundrum what is really a safe report or as a community what is the acceptable risk in posting a report.

Thinking about the client list that a place may have opens up another area that interests me. That is how many playing this hobby have really thought it all through. To me this is fun and nothing else, if I stopped doing it no big deal. I enjoy spending time with different ladies, and yes do like the rush of meeting a new provider for the first time. However some do go so much further down the rabbit hole than what I would want to go. I am honestly in a position where the risk are minimal. I have no wife or girlfriend, my employer could care less that I do this on occasion. If my situation changed to where if things went bad It would tear apart my family or my professional life I wouldn't be playing the game. Just like everything else in life it is all about acceptable risk. Those sweating the list may not have thought enough about this and not weighed the risk VS the reward. Bit I digress this is a totally different discussion.

Hey Legal, good to hear from you again. Man, I couldn't agree more. We just got to be more discrete. Want to grab a beer some time?. Nobecz.

Legal Eagle: "I watched in utter disbelief the sequence of events leading to the discussion of "K" and the specific nature of her services. Granted, I have concerns about her benefactor and whether that particular operation, as well as a related operation, is a hindrance to us all. I have shared that concern in enough detail to warrant sparing you a rehash of the conversation. This concern notwithstanding, I came to the swift conclusion that the outing of "K" was done intentionally. Given the care I have observed from some of the senior membership in addressing information in the past, I could not reconcile how she was outed with the careful navigation routinely practiced by most of the membership. I do not know who the rookie member was who offered detailed information (we cannot know who is behind that account,) but it was reckless beyond a simple explanation of "I did not know." A brief review of the posts on this board-and the use of "dream language"-would have clued even a casual observer in to the method and the means of sharing information."

[QUOTE=Sunycide;1450990]I actually have the similar feelings as this fellow. I chuckle when I hear about "dreams" and these "supposed" hypothetical, make believe sessions. You know you fucked her. I know you fucked her. LEO knows you fucked her. The site is USA Sex Guide for fucks sake.[/QUOTE]LMAO!

LMAO! Does it get any better? To you, Nobecz, I may take you up on that if you are buying (LOL.)

Well good then, let's all meet for a monger night! And a few of the girls for good measure. We could all wear name tags, but only pseudonyms. And don't just pin on your business cards or badges. And why not media? LEO too. What the hell. My vote is for Decca's courtyard, The Holy Grail, or Sergio's. Or else, fittingly, Cox's Park. And then we could all pile into a limo for one of the better known establishments. We'll have to do it when our families are out of town. I'll buy the first round, if Legal coordinates the Google Calender for us all. And Sunnycide is perfect for the media spin. MaxLuvin, you get to invite LE, OK? (Sorry Max, couldn't resist!) How 'about it?

[QUOTE=Legal Eagle; 1451465]LMAO!

LMAO! Does it get any better? To you, Nobecz, I may take you up on that if you are buying (LOL.) [/QUOTE]

Actually some guys in Indy do get together and hit the clubs.

Wow! Are they part of the local bipolar and / or brain injury associations too? Just out of amazed curiosity, how do they get the word around? Post it here?

[QUOTE=White;1453235]Actually some guys in Indy do get together and hit the clubs.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nobecz;1453210]Well good then, let's all meet for a monger night! And a few of the girls for good measure. We could all wear name tags, but only pseudonyms. And don't just pin on your business cards or badges. And why not media? LEO too. What the hell. My vote is for Decca's courtyard, The Holy Grail, or Sergio's. Or else, fittingly, Cox's Park. And then we could all pile into a limo for one of the better known establishments. We'll have to do it when our families are out of town. I'll buy the first round, if Legal coordinates the Google Calender for us all. And Sunnycide is perfect for the media spin. MaxLuvin, you get to invite LE, OK? (Sorry Max, couldn't resist!) How 'about it?[/QUOTE]Hope I can get an invite!

[QUOTE=Nobecz;1451399]Legal Eagle: "I watched in utter disbelief the sequence of events leading to the discussion of "K" and the specific nature of her services. Granted, I have concerns about her benefactor and whether that particular operation, as well as a related operation, is a hindrance to us all. I have shared that concern in enough detail to warrant sparing you a rehash of the conversation. This concern notwithstanding, I came to the swift conclusion that the outing of "K" was done intentionally."[/QUOTE]After days of reading the posts by clients of mine related to the explicit review written MaxLuvin, I decided to create a Username so I can address it myself so people will have the TRUTH instead of "he-said-she-said". If anyone is wondering if I'm really Kate or just some fake who's pretending to be her, Private Message me. You can ask me anything that only Kate would know & I'll prove that its me. With that being said, the review written by MaxLuvin is very much an exaggeration with very little truth to it. As clients of mine know, I am VERY safe about what I do. I want everyone to be sure that I am not in any kind of trouble whatsoever, and wouldn't call it being "outed" because as I said the review that everyone has been talking about has very little truth to it in the first place. Prime example of not believing everything you hear (or read). I also wanted to make sure I gave a big THANK YOU to everyone who took up for me in any way whatsoever. And to all the clients of mine who informed me about the discussion going on in the first place. To any of my regulars that are concerned after this situation, please PM me or ask for me on the office phone and I'll be happy to talk to you about it and make you feel assured that I'm still as safe and careful as I've always been.

Kate

[QUOTE=Nobecz;1453264]Wow! Are they part of the local bipolar and / or brain injury associations too? Just out of amazed curiosity, how do they get the word around? Post it here?[/QUOTE]I'm sure it's mostly arranged through PMs. But if we wanted to do it. I'd say we could probably all show up at a specific venue and wear a smiley face sticker non-descriptively as possible. Yes. That'll do perfectly. Then we can see one another and give that secret club member nod.

[QUOTE=Nobecz;1453264]Wow! Are they part of the local bipolar and / or brain injury associations too? Just out of amazed curiosity, how do they get the word around? Post it here?[/QUOTE]It's not like they're doing anything illegal at the time that they get together.

I've never participated in such a shin dig, but from what I've seen on other places there is a point person or two that does the bulk of the organizing and / or vetting and sends contact information and plans to people directly and not posted publicly.

Locally, Fantasy's used to host a get together every once in a while for providers, but I don't know if they've done anything in the last few years in that area.

I personally think it would be a blast. But, I also think LE might also be interested in using the occasion to develop confidants. I guess the real question is "Just how much time and effort is LE willing to spend on petty sex crimes?" I think it's possible that they would only have a passing interest in mongers and providers, with their main target being trafficking, money laundering, and interstate commerce issues. What do you think, Legal? Maybe a monger mixer would be fun and not all that risky! Now please, nobody better suggest a secret "handshake!" That could get really messy!

[QUOTE=Jc4024; 1453570]It's not like they're doing anything illegal at the time that they get together.

I've never participated in such a shin dig, but from what I've seen on other places there is a point person or two that does the bulk of the organizing and / or vetting and sends contact information and plans to people directly and not posted publicly.

Locally, Fantasy's used to host a get together every once in a while for providers, but I don't know if they've done anything in the last few years in that area.[/QUOTE]