Tips, Tricks, Arguing, and Bullshit

[QUOTE=JonHangcok;4282837]For starters, for those of you who don't know, non-consensual condom removal, or "stealthing", is the practice of one sex partner (usually the guy) covertly removing a condom, when sexual consent has only been given by the other sex partner for condom-protected safer sex. In other countries like the UK and Switzerland, men have been convicted for sexual assault and rape for doing this underhanded shit. The US doesn't have laws established specifically for stealthing, but it can be considered "rape adjacent" or akin to rape.

Now I myself would never stoop so low as to pull some underhanded shit like this with any woman be they a provider, or GF, wife, etc. I've busted condoms and had them come off while in the throes of passion before, I'm usually good about noticing these things, and I've always either stopped the engagement myself, or stopped when the woman noticed it before I did to re-up with a new condom before going at it again. So imagine my surprise when I find out a provider stealthed me.

To give some brief context to the encounter, we got right into it from the moment I shut the front door of her incall. At first I though she was just trying to give a PSE type of performance, but I soon realized that she was honestly really into it. We start to go at it right there in the living room. She puts the condom on me with her mouth and then immediately hops on it for some CG without me even having to ask. She rides for a while, hops off, takes the condom off and sucks me some more. She then says she wants to take it to the bedroom, so she leads me by the cock to her bed and I throw on another condom and we got at it some more. She wasn't a clock watcher at all. In fact during our session she asked me if MSOG was OK. I hadn't even busted my first nut yet and she's asking me for seconds already. Having a povider ask me this, hell actually wanting this was totally unheard of to me in all my time of being in this hobby.

To make a long story short, I've got her in K9 position face down-ass up and I'm going to pound town on her. She likes it hard, fast, and deep, so I'm complying to her wishes. She was doing this thing where she'd reach back underneath and play with my balls. I tell her to keep doing that because I'm liking it, so she complies. In hindsight I'm guessing that it was around this time that she was able to remove the condom while I'm plugging away at her pussy. After some time I bust one of the most intense nuts that I've had in a long time while "wearing a condom" (I thought it was still on at this point). The fact that I hadn't had any sexual activity in like 3 weeks was also a contributing factor. Now I don't cum often when wearing a condom, I have but its few and far between. Couple that with my endurance (I think I'm related to the Energizer rabbit), and I usually just have a provider BBBJ and jerk me to completion when I feel the session is getting too close to the end. So I thought it a welcome surprise when it happened. That welcome surprise turned to horror when I pulled out and saw there was no condom on me.

I said: "WTF!? WHAT HAPPENED TO THE CONDOM? She just nonchalantly says: "Oh, I pulled that off a few minutes ago. " "I do that when I get really into it. " She then sticks a couple fingers in her pussy and pulls out the rubber. I'm dumbfounded and speechless at this point that she was just so matter of fact about it. She says something else that I'm not going to repeat publicly on this board (PM me if you just have to know what she said) but what she said just added to how carefree she was about it all. She gave absolutely 0 fucks. I mean I know I dropped a big load in her; and she's not afraid of possibly getting pregnant? The whole time that I'm cleaning up and we're talking I'm just thinking "WTF? I leave soon after.

So IMO I consider stealthing as a form of rape even if US law isn't totally clear about it. But lets keep it real, US law is completely ass backwards about a lot of things so it's no surprise it would be about this. So was I raped? Yes I believe I was, because it would definitely be considered rape if the roles were reversed. Now I don't feel like its your typical garden variety rape, she didn't overpower me and force me to fuck her. She didn't violate me in that way. It's more of a violation of trust, and a violation of one's well being. Because now I have to get checked out which I didn't really have to do because I'm pretty careful about these things (honestly if you're in this hobby you should be doing this regularly).

Anyway my bad for the wall of text. TL; DR: A provider pulled my condom off without my knowledge while we were fucking, effectively stealthing me. I ended up giving her a creampie. She gave 0 fucks about the whole thing, and now I have to go to a clinic and get checked out.[/QUOTE]If she pulled it off why was it inside her? Weird that she would just stash it there.

[QUOTE=Joelcmh;4292793]If she pulled it off why was it inside her? Weird that she would just stash it there.[/QUOTE]If I knew exactly how she did it, I would've told her to stop. My best guess is she unrolled it while simultaneously fondling my junk while I was pounding her all at the same time. The rubber comes off inside her, and since I'm still fucking her, it gets pushed up inside. Once again this is my best guess. I was too preoccupied with busting a nut so I wasn't paying full attention to everything she was doing. Plus I never thought a woman would pull some shit like that, so I never thought to look out for that sort of thing.

[QUOTE=Joelcmh;4292793]If she pulled it off why was it inside her? Weird that she would just stash it there.[/QUOTE]If I knew exactly how she did it, I would've told her to stop. My best guess is she unrolled it while simultaneously fondling my junk while I was pounding her all at the same time. The rubber comes off inside her, and since I'm thrusting up in her, it gets pushed up inside. Once again this is my best guess. I was too preoccupied with busting a nut so I wasn't paying full attention to everything she was doing. Plus I never thought a woman would pull some shit like that, so I never thought to look out for that sort of thing.

[QUOTE=JonHangcok;4302397]If I knew exactly how she did it, I would've told her to stop. My best guess is she unrolled it while simultaneously fondling my junk while I was pounding her all at the same time. The rubber comes off inside her, and since I'm thrusting up in her, it gets pushed up inside. Once again this is my best guess. I was too preoccupied with busting a nut so I wasn't paying full attention to everything she was doing. Plus I never thought a woman would pull some shit like that, so I never thought to look out for that sort of thing.[/QUOTE]The one time I saw Star / Nova she went straight from BJ to mounting me BB. It happened so fast I didn't even notice until I was already inside her. Felt so epic I just kept going, but didn't nut inside her. Never saw her again because it was a rush job. She even bragged she usually had her quick visits out the door in 15 and hhrs out the door in 20. She was naked before I had my shoes off.

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Anyway my bad for the wall of text. TL; DR: A provider pulled my condom off without my knowledge while we were fucking, effectively stealthing me. I ended up giving her a creampie. She gave 0 fucks about the whole thing, and now I have to go to a clinic and get checked out.[/QUOTE]Heads up if you are going to get tested by your regular doc or the county health clinic. You will be put on a "list" if you have something.

Good idea to use an anonymous way to get test like [URL]http://myprivatelabs.com[/URL]. You can sign up under a fake name online, they send you paperwork under that name that you take to a lab (and on the paper work it tells the lab to not ask for I'd), lab send the results back to your account online for you to look at.

I've been hobbying in different states for years but I'm new to this online forum stuff. I'm alarmed to find out so many of us are out here searching for methheads, aids patients, and the lowest forms of life for the cheapest and nastiest experience. I always get what I pay for but some of these reports are just depressing. We have to value our health more. The more we pay junkies, the more junkies think it's a good idea to start selling their hot steamy junk. Driving down prices just runs off the quality girls. They go to different cities once they figure out what's going on. That's why we can't keep quality pussy.

[QUOTE=StrokeHer;4307909]I've been hobbying in different states for years but I'm new to this online forum stuff. I'm alarmed to find out so many of us are out here searching for methheads, aids patients, and the lowest forms of life for the cheapest and nastiest experience. I always get what I pay for but some of these reports are just depressing. We have to value our health more. The more we pay junkies, the more junkies think it's a good idea to start selling their hot steamy junk. Driving down prices just runs off the quality girls. They go to different cities once they figure out what's going on. That's why we can't keep quality pussy.[/QUOTE]That is bull. You don't always get what you pay for. I've had absolute blasts with females that are 80/ hh and lame times with a couple twice that amount. There are guys here that have spent 250-400 and had great crap times. Price absolutely doesn't guarantee quality. Quality chicks can be had at a lower rate; admittedly there aren't many around because generally those females have a lot to lose if they get busted so many of them don't take the chance like they used to.

[QUOTE=MidwestDude;4308458]That is bull. You don't always get what you pay for. I've had absolute blasts with females that are 80/ hh and lame times with a couple twice that amount. There are guys here that have spent 250-400 and had great crap times. Price absolutely doesn't guarantee quality. Quality chicks can be had at a lower rate; admittedly there aren't many around because generally those females have a lot to lose if they get busted so many of them don't take the chance like they used to.[/QUOTE]I wasn't talking about rumours or what I heard, I was talking about myself. What one person describes as "a crap time" isn't the same for someone else. A lot of these reports are just people's thoughts and opinions not facts. Some guys fantasies are strippers and professionals and some are just looking to prey on a mentally ill chic in the worst times of her life to cum in her for thirty bucks.

[QUOTE=StrokeHer;4308616]I wasn't talking about rumours or what I heard, I was talking about myself. What one person describes as "a crap time" isn't the same for someone else. A lot of these reports are just people's thoughts and opinions not facts. Some guys fantasies are strippers and professionals and some are just looking to prey on a mentally ill chic in the worst times of her life to cum in her for thirty bucks.[/QUOTE]You were projecting. And by the sound of your response, judging and white knighting.

[QUOTE=MidwestDude;4308458]That is bull. You don't always get what you pay for. I've had absolute blasts with females that are 80/ hh and lame times with a couple twice that amount. There are guys here that have spent 250-400 and had great crap times. Price absolutely doesn't guarantee quality. Quality chicks can be had at a lower rate; admittedly there aren't many around because generally those females have a lot to lose if they get busted so many of them don't take the chance like they used to.[/QUOTE]I agree with some of what you say, but I disagree as well. I negotiate. I am very vocal about what I want and expect, then add in the tip factor, which usually brings the rain. However there are girls out there who are just fun, and you get lucky and escape with paying a small amount. Each girl is different.

White Knights on the other hand. Ugh! They just throw money at them and the girls take advantage of such chumps.

[QUOTE=LogJammin18;4303871]Heads up if you are going to get tested by your regular doc or the county health clinic. You will be put on a "list" if you have something.

Good idea to use an anonymous way to get test like [URL]http://myprivatelabs.com[/URL]. You can sign up under a fake name online, they send you paperwork under that name that you take to a lab (and on the paper work it tells the lab to not ask for I'd), lab send the results back to your account online for you to look at.[/QUOTE]HIPA protects your information from being shared. I have been treated by my doctor and urgent cares. With my insurance. There is no list that I'm aware of. Please provide details if such a list exists and how it circumvents HIPA.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=LiveMonger;4309767]HIPA protects your information from being shared. I have been treated by my doctor and urgent cares. With my insurance. There is no list that I'm aware of. Please provide details if such a list exists and how it circumvents HIPA.

Thanks![/QUOTE]From the CDC: ".

Involuntary partner notification.

In the past, the CDC has recommended that physicians and health departments should inform the sexual partners of people known to be infected with certain STDs including HIV of their risk for contracting the disease when the diagnosed individual refused to do so. However, the CDC currently recommends that all partner services, including partner notification, should be "voluntary and non-coercive" for both the individual initially diagnosed with the STD and their sexual partners. Despite the change, as of 1998, several states in the US have laws that codify involuntary or coercive partner notification. In most states, individuals who test positive for HIV are legally obligated to notify past sexual contacts. In Texas and other states, doctors and public health officials are either required or authorized to inform known sexual contacts of patients who have tested positive for HIV and other STDs".

But, using [URL]http://myprivatelabs.com[/URL] will allow you to get tested without using your real name, address etc. Only way around it.

How many of these females do why'all think do this (besides the obvious reasons) because they love sex and are sex addicts and love the idea of getting off and getting guys off?

[QUOTE=MidwestDude;4313967]How many of these females do why'all think do this (besides the obvious reasons) because they love sex and are sex addicts and love the idea of getting off and getting guys off?[/QUOTE]Since you ask and I have been in the hobby for, I hate to say, decades. While I'm sure somewhere, somehow, there are providers that do this because they are sex addicts and like getting guys off. But in todays world, I'm going to say that percentage is pretty much zero. Now you're going get guys come on here right now and say they know this provider or that provider that does it because she really likes it and gets off from it. Well its bullshit. While there might be providers that don't mind it so far, they still have real reasons. You can pretty much say all street walkers are doing it for drugs. Any other reason would be extremely rare. The non street walker types too most of the times, are doing it to support a drug habit. There are exceptions of course and those that are the exception a lot of times are recovering but still need the income. And then there are those that are doing it strictly for the money and can't make the kind of money they are making doing a "legit" job. Usually to raise a kid or just themselves maybe. There are a lot of providers that have legit jobs but need the easy extra income. But if you're searching and wanting to believe, like a lot of mongers here, that the girl "loves" what she is doing and she "really gets off from it" then you're kidding yourself. This hobby is rarely the provider's choice of profession and would rather do this than anything. Its almost always a profession choice born out of necessity. A lot of providers are good actors, and say they love it, but if they really didn't need to do it, wouldn't. So keep looking for that one in a million that truly loves it.

[QUOTE=MidwestDude;4313967]How many of these females do why'all think do this (besides the obvious reasons) because they love sex and are sex addicts and love the idea of getting off and getting guys off?[/QUOTE]I'd say it's roughly comparable to the ratio of men who have walked on the moon and everyone else.