The Rat Trap

[QUOTE=OriginalSin;6863390]So it has come to my attention that there is a backstabber among this group. I'm not one to start rumors and create problems, but this has to be mentioned because this is a trust issue. TRUST is the BIGGEST commodity in this forum and it cannot be taken lightly.in.[/QUOTE]Yeah, but No.

If the gate and the girl are working together properly there's no way the wrong person is getting to her.

And.

We don't own these girls and they're not our bitches.

If they don't trust that we are working in their interest they will find someone who does.

Hoarding a girl for your friends is typically not in their interest.

I've told everyone that I've worked with that they are free to choose someone else or I would show them how to do it themselves.

But if I'm the gate I'm the only gate, period.

I recently parted ways with a UTR and advised her to ask one of her regulars and gave her some suggestions.

One, I believe is the member you're talking about.

He, and others she asked, had the courtesy to hit me up to see if I was OK with it.

That's enough to earn my trust.

[QUOTE=WayneAshley380;6866283]Yeah, but No.

If the gate and the girl are working together properly there's no way the wrong person is getting to her.

And.

We don't own these girls and they're not our bitches.

If they don't trust that we are working in their interest they will find someone who does.

Hoarding a girl for your friends is typically not in their interest.

I've told everyone that I've worked with that they are free to choose someone else or I would show them how to do it themselves.

But if I'm the gate I'm the only gate, period.

I recently parted ways with a UTR and advised her to ask one of her regulars and gave her some suggestions.

One, I believe is the member you're talking about.

He, and others she asked, had the courtesy to hit me up to see if I was OK with it.

That's enough to earn my trust.[/QUOTE]Actually well said. I was going to chime in with some of the same comments. There is a fine line between a genuine gatekeeper and a wannabe pimp. Pimpers lose credibility pretty quickly and end up losing business for the girl. Gatekeepers that have the girls best interest in mind and aren't looking to profit off of them are invaluable to them and this site. To me Orlo is the gold standard. Even though I've never asked him for digits, he just seems like a class act.

[QUOTE=Nightowl21;6866591]Actually well said. I was going to chime in with some of the same comments. There is a fine line between a genuine gatekeeper and a wannabe pimp. Pimpers lose credibility pretty quickly and end up losing business for the girl. Gatekeepers that have the girls best interest in mind and aren't looking to profit off of them are invaluable to them and this site. To me Orlo is the gold standard. Even though I've never asked him for digits, he just seems like a class act.[/QUOTE]"Wannabe pimp?" Where did you get that from? I hope you're not implying that I'm a pimp. LOL I'm no pimp, nor do I want to be one. I've had many UTR's and I don't make anything from them. Never have and never will. If you read my post carefully you will clearly see that the whole point of what I was saying is to keep the girl safe and to keep the guys safe as well (active warrant). I'm pretty sure I made that clear. And to also shine the light on a someone who cannot be trusted.

[QUOTE=WayneAshley380;6866283]Yeah, but No.

If the gate and the girl are working together properly there's no way the wrong person is getting to her.

And.

We don't own these girls and they're not our bitches.

If they don't trust that we are working in their interest they will find someone who does.

Hoarding a girl for your friends is typically not in their interest.

I've told everyone that I've worked with that they are free to choose someone else or I would show them how to do it themselves.

But if I'm the gate I'm the only gate, period.

I recently parted ways with a UTR and advised her to ask one of her regulars and gave her some suggestions..[/QUOTE]Glad you brought up a few things. 1. How you share your UTR is your choice. I follow a set of rules that is beneficial for the UTR's safety. This is not my first rodeo. 2. Had the backstabber came to me and said he was helping her get more friends, I would've been good with that, but he did not. 3. Who anyone shares their UTR's with is their choice. I'm sure you can agree because you've never shared a UTR with me. 4. You use the word "hoarding" incorrectly. Hoarding implies not sharing! LMFAO!

I appreciate everyone's feedback, but you might want to re-read what I said so you comprehend my message. And using assumptions and speculations without knowing the facts does not help either. If either of you, or anyone else, has any questions or just need clarification, just ask. I have nothing to hide.

Sin.

[QUOTE=OriginalSin;6863390]So it has come to my attention that there is a backstabber among this group. I'm not one to start rumors and create problems, but this has to be mentioned because this is a trust issue. TRUST is the BIGGEST commodity in this forum and it cannot be taken lightly.

I've been here a very long time and have earned my trust with many of you and those that know me know that I can be trusted with sensitive info on many things, especially as it pertains to UTR's. Now I haven't been posting for a long time for many reasons which I'm not going to get into, but the biggest reason is because there are some bad characters among us that CANNOT be trusted.

Which brings me to my next point!

I recently shared a UTR with a few of you, a few months ago and those of you that I shared her with have been good, for the most part. I keep my circle of friends very small for many reasons and I only share my UTR's with that group. However, there were a couple of you (that were new to my circle) that totally dropped the ball. I'll try not to mention any names to avoid drama, but one of you decided to share the UTR's info with others that were not part of the group I shared her with initially. I confronted that person (G*69) about it and he told me she asked him to, but I told him not to in the initial introduction and he agreed NOT TO share her info with anyone else. So he says he will try and fix it and I just left it at that.

Well, fast forward to now and I see this "Elly" being promoted by this particular member (G*69) and based on her description and her circumstances from the reviews, made me wonder who this was because it totally matches the UTR I shared with him. So I did some digging and spoke to a couple of members that had already seen her and low and behold, it is THE SAME UTR that I was sharing a few months back!

For those of you that don't know the etiquette when you get info on a UTR, you DO NOT share her info with anyone! Especially when you agreed not to, even if she asks you to do it. There is a reason for this!

Between cops, assholes, creeps, drug dealers, pimps and straight up weirdos in this forum, there is danger for UTR's! There is a responsibility on all of us to make sure that we look out for the well being of these UTR's and ourselves! It's not just the gatekeepers job! If you want to meet and see UTR's, you need to accept that responsibility 100%!

Now because of this, I will no longer be sharing any new UTR info with any new SM members! Sorry, NOT SORRY! All thanks to one guy (G*69)!

And BTW, just in case you didn't know, "Elly" has a warrant for her arrest. That's a hot potato! I'm sure buddy didn't tell you that. Now you know!

Be careful out there!

Sin.[/QUOTE]A nice monger shared a UTR with me and this UTR asked me also help vet for her. I want to apologize to SC for breaking any unwritten rule. I didn't mean to violate a code. He isn't mad and he hasn't said anything to me. However, reading this, made me feel bad bc I would never want any of these ladies to get hurt bc of something I was involved in. I know these ladies don't care about us, but I still don't want anything to happen to them.

[QUOTE=OriginalSin;6867282]"Wannabe pimp?" Where did you get that from? I hope you're not implying that I'm a pimp. LOL I'm no pimp, nor do I want to be one. I've had many UTR's and I don't make anything from them. Never have and never will. If you read my post carefully you will clearly see that the whole point of what I was saying is to keep the girl safe and to keep the guys safe as well (active warrant). I'm pretty sure I made that clear. And to also shine the light on a someone who cannot be trusted.

Glad you brought up a few things. 1. How you share your UTR is your choice. I follow a set of rules that is beneficial for the UTR's safety. This is not my first rodeo. 2. Had the backstabber came to me and said he was helping her get more friends, I would've been good with that, but he did not. 3. Who anyone shares their UTR's with is their choice. I'm sure you can agree because you've never shared a UTR with me. 4. You use the word "hoarding" incorrectly. Hoarding implies not sharing! LMFAO!

I appreciate everyone's feedback, but you might want to re-read what I said so you comprehend my message. And using assumptions and speculations without knowing the facts does not help either. If either of you, or anyone else, has any questions or just need clarification, just ask. I have nothing to hide.

Sin.[/QUOTE]And what I said was based on what was said, and I was reading on third year college level in 5th grade.

First, I have no UTRs. As I said we don't own these girls and they're not our bitches.

I have known some girls who asked me to help them make money as safely as possible.

If you are only sharing her info with your small group of inner circle friends, you are hoarding her for your friends, which is what I said.

If that's what she wants then that's fine. But if she is asking for others to share her info, it's obviously not what she wants.

If you and the girl are following proper safety protocols and you are in sync no one you didn't share with is going to get to her.

If you're not doing this she's just your pass around and you're just putting her name on the bathroom wall anyway.

I stake no claim on these girls, as you seem to.

As far as who gets numbers and who doesn't, it's more up to the girl than to me.

Now, I'm done with this.

Treat "Your" girl right and she won't feel the need to ask others to step in.

[QUOTE=OriginalSin;6867282]"Wannabe pimp?" Where did you get that from? I hope you're not implying that I'm a pimp. LOL I'm no pimp, nor do I want to be one. I've had many UTR's and I don't make anything from them. Never have and never will. If you read my post carefully you will clearly see that the whole point of what I was saying is to keep the girl safe and to keep the guys safe as well (active warrant). I'm pretty sure I made that clear. And to also shine the light on a someone who cannot be trusted.


I appreciate everyone's feedback, but you might want to re-read what I said so you comprehend my message. And using assumptions and speculations without knowing the facts does not help either. If either of you, or anyone else, has any questions or just need clarification, just ask. I have nothing to hide.

Sin.[/QUOTE]No, I wasn't referring to you at all. Just general observations. I've been on this forum for a few decades and have seen a lot of BS, as I know you have too because you call a lot of it out in the Trap. Seems like you were in an animated and heated back and forth with a member on here a while back concerning that if I remember right, so I think we pretty much agree on the topic. Like I was saying, the genuine gatekeepers are very much appreciated on the forum and make it a win / win for the providers and guys that want to see them.

[QUOTE=RoudiAudi;6867480]A nice monger shared a UTR with me and this UTR asked me also help vet for her. I want to apologize to SC for breaking any unwritten rule. I didn't mean to violate a code. He isn't mad and he hasn't said anything to me. However, reading this, made me feel bad bc I would never want any of these ladies to get hurt bc of something I was involved in. I know these ladies don't care about us, but I still don't want anything to happen to them.[/QUOTE]No worries, thank you for commenting. I never considered my self a GateKeeper, I was helping someone expand her business with vetted clients, but I guess I became one. (Thanks Orlo69 for setting a great example). I did mention to her that she should keep it to someone she knows well, because that person takes time to look at who is asking. No offence to RoudiAudi here, as I assume he would do the same.

Grain and I exposed lying wannabe pseudo pimps but it appears it was all in vain. One of the main reasons he departed the AO. As we tried to warn mongers, not only search the history of the girl, but more importantly, the person (monger) whose providing that info. They're NOT the reputable monger you think they are and remember.

A hit dog will "holla".

Stay safe out there and happy hunting m.

NC Hunter.

[QUOTE=NCHunter;6867822]Grain and I exposed lying wannabe pseudo pimps but it appears it was all in vain. One of the main reasons he departed the AO. As we tried to warn mongers, not only search the history of the girl, but more importantly, the person (monger) whose providing that info. They're NOT the reputable monger you think they are and remember.

A hit dog will "holla".

Stay safe out there and happy hunting m.

NC Hunter.[/QUOTE]What I last heard is Grain has health issues and nearly died. I really hope he is still with us. Grain, if you are still around, would you please chime in to let us know you are still alive.

RP.

[QUOTE=RP469;6868162]What I last heard is Grain has health issues and nearly died. I really hope he is still with us. Grain, if you are still around, would you please chime in to let us know you are still alive.

RP.[/QUOTE]Grain is still with us. He even requested that A2 delete his account, as he tired of the circus and the 1 or 2 Bozos, who wouldn't stay down, in it. Amazing, those who displayed vitriol towards him while he actively posted now shed crocodile tears of care and concern. LOL. A historical search can verify all I've mentioned.

Stay safe out there and happy hunting.

NC Hunter.

[QUOTE=NCHunter;6868498]Grain is still with us. He even requested that A2 delete his account, as he tired of the circus and the 1 or 2 Bozos, who wouldn't stay down, in it. Amazing, those who displayed vitriol towards him while he actively posted now shed crocodile tears of care and concern. LOL. A historical search can verify all I've mentioned.

Stay safe out there and happy hunting.

NC Hunter.[/QUOTE]Saying things like Grain and I tells me you are just using his name. I have news for you, he really never cared for you that much. Grain hasn't responded in almost a year. It was over a year since I heard about his health issues and his near death. After that I didn't hear a thing. Then he just stopped posting May of last year. So I repeat myself, Grain 56 if you are still alive, just give us something, anything! Because NC POS feels he needs to tell everyone how the both of you are true buddies. What a fucking liar!

RP.

My understanding is the girl chooses the gatekeeper, the gatekeeper doesn't chose the girl. If someone calls themselves a gatekeeper but isn't functioning in the girls best interest there would be a different word for that. I'll leave that to your imagination.

GS.

[QUOTE=WayneAshley380;6867546]And what I said was based on what was said, and I was reading on third year college level in 5th grade.

First, I have no UTRs. As I said we don't own these girls and they're not our bitches.

I have known some girls who asked me to help them make money as safely as possible.

If you are only sharing her info with your small group of inner circle friends, you are hoarding her for your friends, which is what I said.

If that's what she wants then that's fine. But if she is asking for others to share her info, it's obviously not what she wants.

If you and the girl are following proper safety protocols and you are in sync no one you didn't share with is going to get to her.

If you're not doing this she's just your pass around and you're just putting her name on the bathroom wall anyway.

I stake no claim on these girls, as you seem to.

As far as who gets numbers and who doesn't, it's more up to the girl than to me.

Now, I'm done with this.

Treat "Your" girl right and she won't feel the need to ask others to step in.[/QUOTE]

The number one responsibility of someone who calls themselves a gatekeeper is to act in the girls best interest and if they don't the girl is "free" to move on.

GS.

[QUOTE=OriginalSin;6863390]So it has come to my attention that there is a backstabber among this group. I'm not one to start rumors and create problems, but this has to be mentioned because this is a trust issue. TRUST is the BIGGEST commodity in this forum and it cannot be taken lightly.

I've been here a very long time and have earned my trust with many of you and those that know me know that I can be trusted with sensitive info on many things, especially as it pertains to UTR's. Now I haven't been posting for a long time for many reasons which I'm not going to get into, but the biggest reason is because there are some bad characters among us that CANNOT be trusted.

Which brings me to my next point!

I recently shared a UTR with a few of you, a few months ago and those of you that I shared her with have been good, for the most part. I keep my circle of friends very small for many reasons and I only share my UTR's with that group. However, there were a couple of you (that were new to my circle) that totally dropped the ball. I'll try not to mention any names to avoid drama, but one of you decided to share the UTR's info with others that were not part of the group I shared her with initially. I confronted that person (G*69) about it and he told me she asked him to, but I told him not to in the initial introduction and he agreed NOT TO share her info with anyone else. So he says he will try and fix it and I just left it at that.

Well, fast forward to now and I see this "Elly" being promoted by this particular member (G*69) and based on her description and her circumstances from the reviews, made me wonder who this was because it totally matches the UTR I shared with him.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WayneAshley380;6867546]And what I said was based on what was said, and I was reading on third year college level in 5th grade.

First, I have no UTRs. As I said we don't own these girls and they're not our bitches.

I have known some girls who asked me to help them make money as safely as possible.[/QUOTE]"I was reading on third year college level in 5th grade. " LOL ok, thanks for letting me know. I don't believe it because you're just repeating the same thing you said before. Nonsense.

Not sure how you think I wasn't treating this utr good. If you're just basing it on what happened, then you're sorely mistaken. Assumptions get you nowhere! You do realize these girls will do ANYTHING to get money right? ANYTHING! Up to and including robbing people. This is not new!

I also recall an event that took place with you and your utr sometime back. Someone was sharing her info and you got REALLY upset and posted that "no one is giving out my utr's info but me" or something to that effect. LOL ring any bells?

So don't try and shame me because you yourself have acted much worse when this happened to you. This is not about me, this is about TRUST, BETRAYAL and SAFETY. Not hard to grasp if you truly read at college level in 5th grade! LOL.

Like I said before: "1. How you share your UTR is your choice. I follow a set of rules that is beneficial for the UTR's safety. This is not my first rodeo. 2. Had the backstabber came to me and said he was helping her get more friends, I would've been good with that, but he did not. 3. Who anyone shares their UTR's with is their choice. I'm sure you can agree because you've never shared a UTR with me. 4. You use the word "hoarding" incorrectly. Hoarding implies not sharing! LMFAO!

I appreciate your input once again, but the more you ASSUME, you make an "ASS" out of YOU, not "ME".

Take care,

Sin.

[QUOTE=Nightowl21;6867603]No, I wasn't referring to you at all. Just general observations. I've been on this forum for a few decades and have seen a lot of BS, as I know you have too because you call a lot of it out in the Trap. Seems like you were in an animated and heated back and forth with a member on here a while back concerning that if I remember right, so I think we pretty much agree on the topic. Like I was saying, the genuine gatekeepers are very much appreciated on the forum and make it a win / win for the providers and guys that want to see them.[/QUOTE]Your post just read that way. All good! And yes I agree with what you said! That is one of the biggest reasons I don't post anymore. Feels like there's a bunch of kids in here! Starting a bunch of rumors and BS because they're mad at you. LOL.

Take care,

Sin.