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[QUOTE=Fuzion;6729232]Are HJs $80 now? Girls keep badgering me for $80 but I am sticking to $60 but they're increasingly hostile. Granted, these girls are younger and prettier and not GILF / fugly. Is this the new going rate because $60 seems solid enough to me. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]

Before Covid, it was always 40-50 for HJ, 70-80 for BBBJ, 120 for CFS.

While they may charge 70 for HJ and probably 100 for BBBJ, price for FS kinda remains the same.

I agree that there are more younger and prettier talents doing the job now, even in your independent local Chinese motel or apartment providers, it's hard to justify paying 80 just for handshake.

I would rather pay 40 more for full package.

Now that green sign and believe are gone, it’s good time to go back to Korean or Japanese providers even though they cost more

[QUOTE=CryMoarHoar;6729412]Before Covid, it was always 40-50 for HJ, 70-80 for BBBJ, 120 for CFS.

While they may charge 70 for HJ and probably 100 for BBBJ, price for FS kinda remains the same.

I agree that there are more younger and prettier talents doing the job now, even in your independent local Chinese motel or apartment providers, it's hard to justify paying 80 just for handshake.

I would rather pay 40 more for full package.

Now that green sign and believe are gone, its good time to go back to Korean or Japanese providers even though they cost more[/QUOTE]Last I heard, Green Sign is back up and running with their new roster of girls: Ice, Maya, and Kelly.

[QUOTE=BastardChorum;6729510]Last I heard, Green Sign is back up and running with their new roster of girls: Ice, Maya, and Kelly.[/QUOTE]Yes, Nature (a. K. a. Green Sign) is back, and they only closed for one day. I've seen Ice and Kelly so far since their re-opening, and both are on the younger side and fun. Haven't seen Maya over there, but I was greeted by Luna. As another guy wrote, she's nothing to write home about, and lower than Nature's normal standards. MMS says one new girl is coming tomorrow. Also younger, but not petite like I prefer, so I'll pass. She is supposed to have hefty knockers, though, so she might be good for some of ya. MMS says others will gradually follow, which is different tactic from the past when a whole new crew comes in at once.

A couple of related Nature notes: unlike what's been reported by at least one guy (I'm not referring to you, BC), I have never had Nature do a bait-and-switch on me, and I know that is not the norm. And the fact that when other girls are not preoccupied with a pounding, they will come greet you in your room after you've finished with your provider. So it's more brothelesque, which is fun.

And regarding costs: Yes, HF is $50, so a mere $10 more than some places, or in line with others. For your girls' tip, you will likely need to pay her $140 to get a BBBJ with your CFS, DATY, 69, etc. That's even for a 30 minute session, and I think it's reasonable for the quality and service. If some guys are on limited budgets, I get that, but I'm not going to barter with a girl to get her to come down $20 on the tip, just because some people have budget restrictions. My goal is to get the most bang for my bucks, and if I'm friendly, generous, funny and attentive, I leave at the end with a smile on my face.

Any other spas in Orange County with similar level of service as Nature? Thanks if you would like to share.

[QUOTE=TradingFavs714;6729385]That would be Bamboo Wood my guy.[/QUOTE]I think you got that wrong, BW girls are all over 40 most over 45 and not really 7's either.

[QUOTE=ShyBraveOC;6729656]I think you got that wrong, BW girls are all over 40 most over 45 and not really 7's either.[/QUOTE]I agree with Shy. Although BW is still in my rotation, the girls really aren't young or pretty. The place is normally really dark, so they all kind of look ok, but if you're there at 9:30 when they first open and the lights are all on and the curtains are all pulled back, you get a real good look at the girls as you walk to the back. Funny thing to say, but it was better during covid when they all wore masks. Then you could almost pretend they were pretty. Not complaining about their meat beating skills though. Most of them know their way around a prick.

[QUOTE=ShyBraveOC;6729656]I think you got that wrong, BW girls are all over 40 most over 45 and not really 7's either.[/QUOTE]I'm joking.

The Good:

Have you dudes tried P&C Welness (890X Westminster, next to KFC, diagonal from SH). When you pull up you noticed the door is open the lights are completely out inside. Like power outage dark. But there are bevy of fun loving nymphs waiting in the shadows. House is 35 or 50, but menu is open, and the absolute best deal in town. Most recently fun smiley Wendy this time. No English, but she is quite fluent in the universal language. Ass as firm as the rock of Gibraltar, and it does not take much to get her spinning out of control.

The Bad:

Sadly, can no longer recommend SH. Its been a great dependable shop, but Grace has left indefinitely. The only OG girls are Helen and Lucy. They have half a dozen new 25 year old girls with cute faces, but each packing an extra 10 kg bag of rice around their waistlines and hips, and no idea of how pull a pecker any more than they know how to cure cancer. They simply don't like dick but give it a half-ass effort.

The Ugly:

2018 upstairs on Bolsa. Never again will I go to that time shorting, tip demanding, shit shack with clumsy heffers and run-away fem-steers with bad attitudes.

[QUOTE=CryMoarHoar;6729412]Before Covid, it was always 40-50 for HJ, 70-80 for BBBJ, 120 for CFS.

While they may charge 70 for HJ and probably 100 for BBBJ, price for FS kinda remains the same.

I agree that there are more younger and prettier talents doing the job now, even in your independent local Chinese motel or apartment providers, it's hard to justify paying 80 just for handshake.

I would rather pay 40 more for full package.

Now that green sign and believe are gone, its good time to go back to Korean or Japanese providers even though they cost more[/QUOTE]I still know a few places where they are happy to get 40-50 for manual labor, and 100-120 for honeymoon night action. I gave a girl 70 last week, and she actually said too much, and haded me back 30, and said 40 was fine. But there are others where 70 is considered subpar for HE and as much as 200 for the whole enchillada. Ironically those more expensive places are not particularly better than the cheaper alternatives. The one factor that's fairly consistent is that beauty queens under 35 do get a premium just because. You know. They rule the world. But often the older fillies have better skills and aim to pleez. Girls FOTB are charmed with low tips considering that your hour with them pays them more than the make in a week back home. So my advice is to refuse the higher tips, and move on to greener pasteurs.

Went to BW but Mindy tried to fix me with a new girl as some monger (may be one of you) took my appointment with Anna. Wasn't feeling that so bounced and drove on Bolsa. Saw a place Miracle Spa open upstairs on Ward / Bolsa and went up. One Asian 40's-50's opened the door. Slightly chubby. Was there anyway so decided to TOFTT. Asked for Lisa from a previous review but she wasn't working so the chuvy Asian will be doing the massage. Going rate is 40/ hr but she said evening is 40/30 minutes. Should have left, but continued and paid $40. She started a below average massage then asked to flip in 5 minutes. This is where it went downhill. She asked for 160 for BBJ only and 200 for CFS. I scoffed & offered 100 for a CBJ. She didn't take it which was a relief since I was on the fence. Asked her to just keep massaging and she started pushing on different parts of my body. In under 10 minutes of me entering the room, I told her I'd like to leave. She then had the idea asking me for a 20 $ tip. I said nope and walked out. How do these 50 yr old think these rates make any sense is beyond me. Safe to say, never going back.

[QUOTE=DarkRoomDaddy;6729868]The Good:

Have you dudes tried P&C Welness (890X Westminster, next to KFC, diagonal from SH). When you pull up you noticed the door is open the lights are completely out inside. Like power outage dark. But there are bevy of fun loving nymphs waiting in the shadows. House is 35 or 50, but menu is open, and the absolute best deal in town. Most recently fun smiley Wendy this time. No English, but she is quite fluent in the universal language. Ass as firm as the rock of Gibraltar, and it does not take much to get her spinning out of control.

The Bad:

Sadly, can no longer recommend SH. Its been a great dependable shop, but Grace has left indefinitely. The only OG girls are Helen and Lucy. They have half a dozen new 25 year old girls with cute faces, but each packing an extra 10 kg bag of rice around their waistlines and hips, and no idea of how pull a pecker any more than they know how to cure cancer. They simply don't like dick but give it a half-ass effort..[/QUOTE]I've had different experiences at these places. SH has Lily, Apple and Lee that all have open menus. Linda, Jenny and Yoyo still there. All peel off their duds for a reasonable price. A couple of them have put on some pounds. But alas, Grace, Emily, Wendy and Anna are years gone. 2018 has attractive 35-40 year olds. Lulu can be stubborn, Lily has an incredible body, Mia is a big woman but will pull up her bra and drop her panties and never gives up until the last drop has been squeezed out. P and C is owned by Lily who owns Lucky next door. Most of the ladies are gilfs but occasionally a young girl stops in until something better comes along.

[QUOTE=DarkRoomDaddy;6729873]I still know a few places where they are happy to get 40-50 for manual labor, and 100-120 for honeymoon night action. I gave a girl 70 last week, and she actually said too much, and haded me back 30, and said 40 was fine. But there are others where 70 is considered subpar for HE and as much as 200 for the whole enchillada. Ironically those more expensive places are not particularly better than the cheaper alternatives. The one factor that's fairly consistent is that beauty queens under 35 do get a premium just because. You know. They rule the world. But often the older fillies have better skills and aim to pleez. Girls FOTB are charmed with low tips considering that your hour with them pays them more than the make in a week back home. So my advice is to refuse the higher tips, and move on to greener pasteurs.[/QUOTE]Why don't you do us a favor and tell us where a woman will return money if she feels you overpaid.

Never heard of such a thing but very refreshing with the current climate of women demanding more and more $$.

[QUOTE=RoscoRules;6730211]Why don't you do us a favor and tell us where a woman will return money if she feels you overpaid.

Never heard of such a thing but very refreshing with the current climate of women demanding more and more $$.[/QUOTE]The great Joanne used to do this with me. One of the last unicorns in the game.

[QUOTE=NinjaChacha69;6729921]Went to BW but Mindy tried to fix me with a new girl as some monger (may be one of you) took my appointment with Anna. Wasn't feeling that so bounced and drove on Bolsa. Saw a place Miracle Spa open upstairs on Ward / Bolsa and went up. One Asian 40's-50's opened the door. Slightly chubby. Was there anyway so decided to TOFTT. Asked for Lisa from a previous review but she wasn't working so the chuvy Asian will be doing the massage. Going rate is 40/ hr but she said evening is 40/30 minutes. Should have left, but continued and paid $40. She started a below average massage then asked to flip in 5 minutes. This is where it went downhill. She asked for 160 for BBJ only and 200 for CFS. I scoffed & offered 100 for a CBJ. She didn't take it which was a relief since I was on the fence. Asked her to just keep massaging and she started pushing on different parts of my body. In under 10 minutes of me entering the room, I told her I'd like to leave. She then had the idea asking me for a 20 $ tip. I said nope and walked out. How do these 50 yr old think these rates make any sense is beyond me. Safe to say, never going back.[/QUOTE]I know exactly who you're taking about. I think her name is Bally. I never went back there because of her. None of the women there are worth $. 2. Did you get the room on the right with the Christmas lights? Those light are there all year so don't think because it's Christmas's. She tried the same shit in me and I said no. Lots of you mongers can't do that. That's why I hear you guys are tipping $.6. I had her finish the massage too and she asked for 20. I was nice enough too give her 10 and she gave me her phone number. I haven't gone back since and won't go back to see the gal with the meat curtains even.

[QUOTE=NinjaChacha69;6729921]Went to BW but Mindy tried to fix me with a new girl as some monger (may be one of you) took my appointment with Anna. Wasn't feeling that so bounced and drove on Bolsa. Saw a place Miracle Spa open upstairs on Ward / Bolsa and went up. One Asian 40's-50's opened the door. Slightly chubby. Was there anyway so decided to TOFTT. Asked for Lisa from a previous review but she wasn't working so the chuvy Asian will be doing the massage. Going rate is 40/ hr but she said evening is 40/30 minutes. Should have left, but continued and paid $40. She started a below average massage then asked to flip in 5 minutes. This is where it went downhill. She asked for 160 for BBJ only and 200 for CFS. I scoffed & offered 100 for a CBJ. She didn't take it which was a relief since I was on the fence. Asked her to just keep massaging and she started pushing on different parts of my body. In under 10 minutes of me entering the room, I told her I'd like to leave. She then had the idea asking me for a 20 $ tip. I said nope and walked out. How do these 50 yr old think these rates make any sense is beyond me. Safe to say, never going back.[/QUOTE]I know exactly who you're taking about. I think her name is Bally. I never went back there because of her. None of the women there are worth $. 2. Did you get the room on the right with the Christmas lights? Those light are there all year so don't think because it's Christmas's. She tried the same shit in me and I said no. Lots of you mongers can't do that. That's why I hear you guys are tipping $.6. I had her finish the massage too and she asked for 20. I was nice enough too give her 10 and she gave me her phone number. I haven't gone back since and won't go back to see the gal with the meat curtains even.

So is $80 for a HJ justified or unjustified these days?

I'm on the unjustified camp but perhaps I am out of touch with how fast prices are inflating? Also difficult decision when a younger girl has your hard cock in her hands and you just want to blow -- but normally pay $60.

[QUOTE=Fuzion;6730298]So is $80 for a HJ justified or unjustified these days?

I'm on the unjustified camp but perhaps I am out of touch with how fast prices are inflating? Also difficult decision when a younger girl has your hard cock in her hands and you just want to blow -- but normally pay $60.[/QUOTE]That all depends if I'm giving her a HJ too, if I'm not then no way in hell would I pay that.

[QUOTE=Fuzion;6730298]So is $80 for a HJ justified or unjustified these days?

I'm on the unjustified camp but perhaps I am out of touch with how fast prices are inflating? Also difficult decision when a younger girl has your hard cock in her hands and you just want to blow -- but normally pay $60.[/QUOTE]My going rate for HJ is. 4, . 5 if she is into it and makes it last.

I've gone as low as. 3 if it was robotic.

[QUOTE=Fuzion;6730298]So is $80 for a HJ justified or unjustified these days?

I'm on the unjustified camp but perhaps I am out of touch with how fast prices are inflating? Also difficult decision when a younger girl has your hard cock in her hands and you just want to blow -- but normally pay $60.[/QUOTE]Not long ago it was 40! Please don't inflate, we're all strapped for cash as it is.

Unless she throws in a beege or really does something extra like allow dine on seashell or melons.

I would stick to the 60 mangos.

[QUOTE=DarkRoomDaddy;6729868]The Good:

Have you dudes tried P&C Welness (890X Westminster, next to KFC, diagonal from SH). When you pull up you noticed the door is open the lights are completely out inside. Like power outage dark. But there are bevy of fun loving nymphs waiting in the shadows. House is 35 or 50, but menu is open, and the absolute best deal in town. Most recently fun smiley Wendy this time. No English, but she is quite fluent in the universal language. Ass as firm as the rock of Gibraltar, and it does not take much to get her spinning out of control.

The Bad:

Sadly, can no longer recommend SH. Its been a great dependable shop, but Grace has left indefinitely. The only OG girls are Helen and Lucy. They have half a dozen new 25 year old girls with cute faces, but each packing an extra 10 kg bag of rice around their waistlines and hips, and no idea of how pull a pecker any more than they know how to cure cancer. They simply don't like dick but give it a half-ass effort.

The Ugly:

2018 upstairs on Bolsa. Never again will I go to that time shorting, tip demanding, shit shack with clumsy heffers and run-away fem-steers with bad attitudes.[/QUOTE]Back in the day, the chrio next door was my favorite Viet parlor, I banged so many sexy young cuties there.

PC = haven't been in years.

What ages are we talking?

SH.

(not so sunny without Grace) I saw Lucy Christmas day, nice lady but old and I have a better regular for HJ.

She gave me a foot massage which is nice since most Asians have a dirty feet taboo.

2018 sucks, Big ass Mia is a prude, I heard there was a FS Cindy here but every time I tried always got Mia.

I could die at peace never seeing that Titania again. Massage is mediocre as well.

[QUOTE=Fuzion;6730298]So is $80 for a HJ justified or unjustified these days?

I'm on the unjustified camp but perhaps I am out of touch with how fast prices are inflating? Also difficult decision when a younger girl has your hard cock in her hands and you just want to blow -- but normally pay $60.[/QUOTE]Unjustified as well 50-60 top. 60 if she allows roaming as well.

Or takes her top off. Those people paying 80 are setting the wrong bar. My personal opinion.

[QUOTE=WhoreMaster91;6728764]Thanks looks like its FS also, Chinese or Korean?[/QUOTE]Are there any Korean parlors these days? Seems they are all Chinese or Vietnamese in OC.

[QUOTE=OcAmper;6730790]Are there any Korean parlors these days? Seems they are all Chinese or Vietnamese in OC.[/QUOTE]Yes, Irvine Spa.

Mag and Bolsa, L shaped 3 story complex with 7/11 in the center. Tried Blue Sky at lunch. There are a couple other joints at this mall. Walk in and dude comes out from the back chewing on chop sticks. Gets behind the counter and stares down at an empty calendar and asks if I have appointment? No. How long? Half hour. Getting ready to walk and then he asks, boy or girl? Girl. OK. Something something. Cute younger asian girl comes out from the back. Wow. But she's sporting leggings and Doc Martins. Bummer. She leads me to a room down the hall and says get undressed. I signal to my pants and she vigorously shakes her head. Got a back massage, no action. Think it was 40 door and tipped 40. Does anyone know if the other spots here offer?

Another day. . . Driving down Westy and looks like ole CKB shuttered, injun tear. On a late winter night in 2017 pulled Hellen. BB CIP. Big dragon fly tat above her pubis mound. Anyone recall her?

Continued down to Lucky Pavlov's. Pulled Emily. At a distance with her pig tails, short skirt and push up bra, looked alright. They divided up the big room in the back. Walls paper thin, all the grunting of arms. Gave entrance and she leaves. Think it was 35 hhr. Comes back in and does the boom boom dance. Offer 1. 2 and she leaves again. She comes back and starts with a BBJ. Air kisses along the shaft but eventually gets me full chub with ok suction. Let her know I'm ready and we switch. Face is average, body late 40's, B cup, square back, MILF stomach, but her attitude is good. Tasted the tuna. Not market fresh. Standing mission and she takes it nice, good eye contact and positive encouragement. Get some good strokes in and empty in the bag. OK massage for the rest of my time. Saw a tall looker on the way out in heels, jeans, hoop earrings with hair pulled up. Wanted to ask but she turned and shook her ass down the hall throwing a look over her shoulder. Management? Damn.

[QUOTE=BraveNuPengwin;6730720]2018 sucks, Big ass Mia is a prude, I heard there was a FS Cindy here but every time I tried always got Mia.[/QUOTE]Maybe four months ago, sincere FS Cindy moved back to My Happy Feet, on Bolsa about a mile away.

Lift Her Up.

[QUOTE=LiftHerUp;6731222]Maybe four months ago, sincere FS Cindy moved back to My Happy Feet, on Bolsa about a mile away.

Lift Her Up.[/QUOTE]And to update Cindy's status even more recently, as of a week ago Cindy is no longer at MHF. Not sure which shop she moved to as I haven't contacted her or been contacted by her. I'm sure she'll pop up somewhere soon but no longer at MHF.

Mr. P.

[QUOTE=MrPlumber;6731273]And to update Cindy's status even more recently, as of a week ago Cindy is no longer at MHF. Not sure which shop she moved to as I haven't contacted her or been contacted by her. I'm sure she'll pop up somewhere soon but no longer at MHF..[/QUOTE]Maybe she went back to True Care to hang with her old friend Linda. She seems to bounce back and forth a lot. Good provider for a 50 year old.

[QUOTE=MrPlumber;6731273]And to update Cindy's status even more recently, as of a week ago Cindy is no longer at MHF. Not sure which shop she moved to as I haven't contacted her or been contacted by her. I'm sure she'll pop up somewhere soon but no longer at MHF..[/QUOTE]She's off of Edinger and Euclid.

[QUOTE=GreenStream;6731034]Yes, Irvine Spa.[/QUOTE]That looks like a very cool place! Not sure how anyone would get a suck and fuck there, though.

[QUOTE=Likndikit;6730128]I've had different experiences at these places. SH has Lily, Apple and Lee that all have open menus. Linda, Jenny and Yoyo still there. All peel off their duds for a reasonable price. A couple of them have put on some pounds. But alas, Grace, Emily, Wendy and Anna are years gone.[/QUOTE]Yeah, the Titans of Prepandemic: Grace, Wendy, Kathleen, skinny Rose, Anna. All gone.

Is Lee also known as Len or Lien? Really cute face but packing a few too many dumplings, and perpetual "Go F yourself" expression on her face? She seems be allergic to dick.

Yoyo too seems to either avoid HE or does it under protest. Its very rare to even get her bra open. She does not seem to be holding up well either.

There is also Sunny, Mimi, Lily, etc. Good looking but I think Steven has stopped training them. Even the legit part of the massage used to be very good and highly organized. The new girls don't even know the legit part, and are not enthusiastic about the non-legit.

There is always Helen and Lucy. The last of the Mochicans who know how to please a man.

[QUOTE=Slammer6008;6731490]She's off of Edinger and Euclid.[/QUOTE]Does she go by Cindy there as well? May try to call first if she's available since the reviews for the others don't seem that good.

[QUOTE=OcAmper;6731539]That looks like a very cool place! Not sure how anyone would get a suck and fuck there, though.[/QUOTE]Yes, legitimate only. They (probably the City of Irvine) even require that massage customers wear disposable shorts.

[QUOTE=Bango;6730233]The great Joanne used to do this with me. One of the last unicorns in the game.[/QUOTE]There was a place in Lake Forest next to Pep Boys (gone a few years ago) where the very tall, thin woman told me $1 was more than enough for CFS. She was fun.

[QUOTE=Bango;6730233]The great Joanne used to do this with me. One of the last unicorns in the game.[/QUOTE]Marianne at a place way out on Santa Monica Blvd in the Sawtelle or Mid-City area did this for me, when I was getting a BBBJ (they were always BB back then) I blew much too quickly, and she gave me a little money back. Sweet. Wow, almost half a century ago.

Lift Her Up.

[QUOTE=DarkRoomDaddy;6731739]Yeah, the Titans of Prepandemic: Grace, Wendy, Kathleen, skinny Rose, Anna. All gone.

Is Lee also known as Len or Lien? Really cute face but packing a few too many dumplings, and perpetual "Go F yourself" expression on her face? She seems be allergic to dick.

Yoyo too seems to either avoid HE or does it under protest. Its very rare to even get her bra open. She does not seem to be holding up well either.

There is also Sunny, Mimi, Lily, etc. Good looking but I think Steven has stopped training them. Even the legit part of the massage used to be very good and highly organized. The new girls don't even know the legit part, and are not enthusiastic about the non-legit.

There is always Helen and Lucy. The last of the Mochicans who know how to please a man.[/QUOTE]As far as SH, which one is the famous Helen?

Are the ones with open menus old?

[QUOTE=Slammer6008;6731490]She's off of Edinger and Euclid.[/QUOTE]5 Star B & F?

I had lots of fun with Maya at Nature yesterday. For me, I didn't think her face has an Uyghur look; but perhaps she has done some cosmetic work on it. Pretty enough though. She does have a very nice bod with unblemished skin, B-C-cups that seem natural, and a nice little booty. And a very fun personality.

At first she shied away from DFK, but that came later. Good BBBJ, and she tried DT, but she wasn't really adept at getting my southern soldier past her tonsils. Fun 69 and DATY, and then sideways on the table mish with me standing, then doggy, then finishing in regular mish while DFK making out. She says she'll be there for a few more days.

F this place. Went here on Tuesday and vowing to never again return.

I got a newish gal who offered me a BJ for 100 bucks. She asked me pay first and then give me 2 licks and that was it. I told her to keep sucking it and she said "no no" and proceeded to jack hammer.

Rip off. I wanted to punch her right there and then.

[QUOTE=BraveNuPengwin;6732309]As far as SH, which one is the famous Helen?

Are the ones with open menus old?[/QUOTE]Helen is 50-55. Short and extremely thick. You don't see her for her looks. Good personality, great massage, and knows 100 ways to milk a man. There aren't any 20 year olds there but Lee\Lin, Apple and Lily are 30-40 ish and I've gotten FS from all three. All took a little time bit with the effort. The back room and front room are the playgrounds.

There are several shops around that charge 50 or 60 for house, and usually these places are actually crappier than the 40 places. So I suspect that they get tired of cheapskate mongers giving 10 buck tips, so they raise their house fee wth the expectation of lower tips. So those places might be a better deal (50 house + 40 = 90,40 house + 60 = 100).

At 2018 Massage, I asked Mia or Mimi what was normal for a tip 40/50/60 and she said any of those are fine. She seemed willing to take anything, but it was a slow day. So that would have been 45 + 40 = 85 for a pull and a squeeze.

At SH, I have never had a girl ask for any specific tip, or complain about a tip. Unlike some other well known places.

I normally do 60 but depends on service quality, attitude, enthusiasm, cleanliness, access, cuteness, and hotness.

A tip should be related to the service. As everyone here knows, HJ's are no more all the same, then every restaurant meal is the same. There are $3 HappyEndingMeals and $200 Michellin restaurant meals. So we really need to not agree to fixed tips in advance. I suggest offering a range. And giving her some incentive to do her best. I think the proper response to "You tip me 70 sailor?" Is "I will tip you between 20 to 70, possibly even 120, depending on my satisfaction level". It seems almost criminal to pay the same 60 for gold service with GFE, extras, and access, . And then pay 60 for grab-and-shake novice with sand paper hands and shorts you time. Better service means better tip.

As for the shop where the girl gave me back money, I am not entirely sure about the motive. Several of the gals want me to be their regular, so that cash back might have been to lock in repeat business. So I hesitate to send 200 guys over there giving $40 tips. Its a place that seems like a dump at first glance, but its always busy with a large stable of talent, and the other mongers seem to be fairly higher class than the more famous places.