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I noticed a local massage post in August from a Rachel. Not timely in re responses, but finally got quoted $60 for a therapeutic massage. More inquiry lead to a sensual massage for $120. Not sure what her definition of sensual is. Curious if anyone has any intel on her. If not, I may TOFTT.
[QUOTE=GeeMoneyTx;6587397]I noticed a local massage post in August from a Rachel. Not timely in re responses, but finally got quoted $60 for a therapeutic massage. More inquiry lead to a sensual massage for $120. Not sure what her definition of sensual is. Curious if anyone has any intel on her. If not, I may TOFTT.[/QUOTE]Sorry. My post left off an important detail. The post was on CraigsList in Kzoo. I no longer see the ad. And a Google search of phone # shows nothing. So a bit leery.
[QUOTE=GeeMoneyTx;6587397]I noticed a local massage post in August from a Rachel. Not timely in re responses, but finally got quoted $60 for a therapeutic massage. More inquiry lead to a sensual massage for $120. Not sure what her definition of sensual is. Curious if anyone has any intel on her. If not, I may TOFTT.[/QUOTE]She's friendly. Gives a decent massage with basic HE. I wouldn't expect much more.
Kazoo brothers,
If you seek extras, as well as an above average massage, consider B. C. RN.
W / No AMP here offering much, the short drive can pay off big.
Read the last 3 pages or so of B. C. Massage forum for all the info needed.
There are 3-4 Top providers there that'll give you the works for 2 Bennies all in.
IMO- Worth the drive & can always call ahead at either spa there, for poss appt info.
Doubt that YMMV, based on experiences.
JJ / Jimmy.
I am curious what others have to say.
In my experience, Sherry at Beautiful Life on Portage St gives the best massage period but nothing / nada extra. Other than she is a tease and cute, its diy or nothing. I have no interest in diy, but occasionally just a great back massage is good. My insurance covers medical / sports type with a $10 copay so there's that. But what is an appropriate tip for Sherry if you do not indulge in the DIY option?
I have found that matching the door fee in roses is considered generous at Lotus and sage.
TLC 60 roses get he and 120 roses usually whatever else.
It still boggles my brain that so many DIY places can support all these providers. I must be missing something.
[QUOTE=INeedaBJ616B;6620695]I am curious what others have to say.
In my experience, Sherry at Beautiful Life on Portage St gives the best massage period but nothing / nada extra. Other than she is a tease and cute, its diy or nothing. I have no interest in diy, but occasionally just a great back massage is good. My insurance covers medical / sports type with a $10 copay so there's that. But what is an appropriate tip for Sherry if you do not indulge in the DIY option?
I have found that matching the door fee in roses is considered generous at Lotus and sage.
TLC 60 roses get he and 120 roses usually whatever else.
It still boggles my brain that so many DIY places can support all these providers. I must be missing something.[/QUOTE]The only way to get them to step up their game is for us to stop patronizing their businesses, money is a great motivator.
[QUOTE=INeedaBJ616B;6620695]I am curious what others have to say.
In my experience, Sherry at Beautiful Life on Portage St gives the best massage period but nothing / nada extra. Other than she is a tease and cute, its diy or nothing. I have no interest in diy, but occasionally just a great back massage is good. My insurance covers medical / sports type with a $10 copay so there's that. But what is an appropriate tip for Sherry if you do not indulge in the DIY option?
I have found that matching the door fee in roses is considered generous at Lotus and sage.
TLC 60 roses get he and 120 roses usually whatever else.
It still boggles my brain that so many DIY places can support all these providers. I must be missing something.[/QUOTE]Whether a woman lets you do DIY or not, to me, doesn't make a difference. Not unless the DIY is done by a strip tease with her massaging you all around it topless and being sensual, etc. I've never expected that, nor gotten it. I guess I'd tip her a discounted amount. Encourage her along in that direction, but there's more to be had if ya want to go further type of thing.
Otherwise, what's to be expected in DIY, is not to tip them any differently than if you didn't try to bait them with i'll-do-it-myself-then, and do. Whether you stroked it a bit and warned her you'll DIY to see if she'll bite or asked to do DIY and she let you, or you didn't even go down that route at all, the tip should be the same.
So in this case, IMO, if the massage was nice, tip $20 for HHR, $30 for HHR. Basically 50% of door price. Same goes for said gal having outrageous price for a mere HJ and you go DIY route for a reasonable price and she doesn't really lower it. If the massage was really great, she's really great, and it was something you were looking for in and of itself, I'd add $5. If the massage / massage experience really sucked and she was just looking for money for a straight up massage? More like $15, $20 respectively.
Had a dream of Luna, Massage was good no drape not much teasing at all. I gave instruction to massage more in the groin area (before the flip) and she did very well. After the flip still no drape, otc roaming was 100% ok everywhere, utc roaming was ok up top as long as you didn't lift her shirt to see. I pulled bra down and played with nips a bit but when tried to lift the shirt she stopped me. Absolutely now HE. She offered DIY but I wasn't interested in that. So all in all just a decent massage with some petting. After it was over I sat up on the bed and pulled her to me and asked for peak, she did finally let me see them. Pretty nice! . 7 at door. 2 tip. (which is normal for me for just a massage).
I'd like to venture out this week. Anyone have an update on stadium? I like lotus because I'm not a diy fan. Otherwise where would you guys suggest if I wanted somewhere other than lotus.
[QUOTE=ArborWorks;6639456]I'd like to venture out this week. Anyone have an update on stadium? I like lotus because I'm not a diy fan. Otherwise where would you guys suggest if I wanted somewhere other than lotus.[/QUOTE]Are you limited to Kalamazoo? Because if not, drive elsewhere. BC has good, virtually guaranteed options (see previous posts on this forum and BC massage forum by Jimmy / JJ Let's Play for good, accurate, up-to-date reports of things in BC). The return-on-investment at the BC establishments is hard to beat. Or, if you're willing to spend more and / or want something other than Asian providers, head to GR. If you're limited to Kzoo then IMO Lotus is the best option unless you just happen to enjoy paying money to jerk off with someone else in the room. But if you actually want a woman to do it for you, then I think Lotus is your best bet in Kalamazoo. There's TLC where you can get more, but that may also include rabies and / or turning you off from sex for a while (I didn't listen to the warnings and had to find out for myself the hard way). There's also Asia Spa in Hartford, where a very nice somewhat older Asian lady will give you a very similar experience to Lotus. But unless you just happen to be in Hartford, it's not really worth the drive. If you just really like a challenge, there's Sophie's in South Haven. Fun can be had there, but it will only be a HE at best and only if Sophie isn't there and / or doesn't hear and definitely not by Sophie herself, even though she's probably the best looking provider there. So, this is a lengthy answer to say, fill up the tank and go for a drive to BC or GR if your time and budget allow. You'll be glad you did.
[QUOTE=ArborWorks;6639456]I'd like to venture out this week. Anyone have an update on stadium? I like lotus because I'm not a diy fan. Otherwise where would you guys suggest if I wanted somewhere other than lotus.[/QUOTE]If you're meaning the one on Stadium just west of 6th st. I was there about a year ago and met Jessica for a nice massage with HJ ending. But that was a year ago. I usually visit Lotus and see Sphia or CeeCee or both.
I Googled "Kalamazoo Relaxation" to see if that place was still in business. I thought surely by now they would've had to at least offer HEs (in which case I might become a client) or have gone out of business (though apparently there's a whole market for DIY places in Kalamazoo, which I'll never understand, and to my knowledge, Kalamazoo Relaxation isn't even DIY and would be offended by the suggestion). However, I guess I'm wrong (happens more than I like to admit) in my assumptions about Kalamazoo Relaxation's staying power, because they have 2 websites and an active FB page and no reports that I've heard of anything more being offered than just a massage and maybe some flirtation. What even made me think of them though is because I recently made an overnight trip to Detroit and was exploring options over there and came across a whole chain of these type of bikini massage places that get guys hopes up but don't deliver more than a massage. They're called Tropical Touch and are even a franchise. Maybe I'm missing something. I realize there is an actual market for real, legit massage places. I even visit them occasionally myself. But in those situations, where I know nothing more than massage is going to happen, I generally don't want some hot chick in a bikini getting me worked up only to let me down. Do some guys just enjoy the tease without the actual satisfaction? Maybe it's for guys who want to get massaged by a hot woman, but who don't want to cheat on their wives / girlfriends / SOs. Who knows? (not me clearly).
So I ventured out to stadium and saw Emma? Thinner 30's I think. Got the 30 min rub which was barely a rub. More of fingers run on one part of my back. She asked do you want soft or hard. I said medium and she replied, no you want soft. Which followed by light touch up and down my back and then deep reaches in spots 5 min in which was my signal. So I took it upon myself to flip and she handled the rest. She needed a lot of coaching and instruction which she followed well. UTC roaming was allowed. I was able to free the puppies and play with those. She was very talkative which I think worked to my favor.
Tip matched the door fee.
YMMV I got the feeling that this doesn't happen often.
I went by Asia Spa in Hartford today. Didn't have my hobby phone with me so just did a drop in. Much to my delight, two younger attractive Asian providers there that I'd never seen before. Got a great HE massage and think more may be available, but as always YMMV.
[QUOTE=RaulJulia;6661257]I went by Asia Spa in Hartford today. Didn't have my hobby phone with me so just did a drop in. Much to my delight, two younger attractive Asian providers there that I'd never seen before. Got a great HE massage and think more may be available, but as always YMMV.[/QUOTE]I also dreamed of Asia spa today, day Lisa cute younger girl. Good massage finished with her topless giving CBJ. Good dream! More available but I think it would be $$ on top of. 7 rate.