Philly Sugar

[QUOTE=BamBam;6022410]This is easy for me. The situations come up so frequently that I have copy-paste answers ready to go. If someone asks for money prior to meeting, I send the following:

"The Seeking admins send daily reminders to people to never send money before at least one in-person meeting. It tells people that 999 times out of 1000 it is a scammer asking. There are just an overwhelming number of men on here pretending to be women or real women begging for money who then disappear. Only newbies fall for that now and they usually only do it once. I am sure you are real and only asking that because you are new on the site. ".

If they ask for a large amount just to meet, I send the following:

"As you may have discovered, there are a wide range of views on how to handle the first meeting. I know for a fact that there are some men who offer 100-200 or more to women just to meet them once with nothing more expected. There are only a few of these and they are very selective. Some men will promise a large sum and then never pay. Other men refuse to offer anything beyond a token amount for a first meeting. I am in the latter group. I used to offer large amounts but quickly discovered that many if not most of the women I was meeting had no interest in me. They just wanted to collect the money and get the meeting over with as quickly as possible. I would rather only meet with women who see it as the first step in a potential long term arrangement with me. ".

If they do not find my message persuasive, they are either scammers, rinsers or unreasonable. Any of those triggers disqualification and I "regretfully" move on.

BAM.[/QUOTE]I just told one that I don't pay for a first meet because it makes it seem like she is an escort and it cheapens what sugaring is.

Met up a couple weeks back with a good female friend of mine from college. She's mid 30's, attractive, former collegiate volleyball player, and has a 6 figure income and an engineering degree. Turns out she's actually doing platonic sugar relationships. Apparently she has no problem getting 350 ppm completely platonic dates. She has 1-2 of them lined up per week, and is booked for several months out. She does them because she enjoys the company usually w / successful people, and she's a foodie and essentially gets paid to eat somewhere super nice for dinner every week.

Apparently she runs into a lot of really busy successful older men in their mid 40's to late 50's who never had / have time for a real stable relationship of any sort and are lonely. She's extremely clear ahead of time that she is strictly looking only for platonic, and still has no problems lining up dates.

So to all those complaining about people paying too much and raising the base-rate and expectations, unfortunately it's not going to matter. People out there are paying for this stuff!

[QUOTE=Glhfddka;6033096]Met up a couple weeks back with a good female friend of mine from college. She's mid 30's, attractive, former collegiate volleyball player, and has a 6 figure income and an engineering degree. Turns out she's actually doing platonic sugar relationships. Apparently she has no problem getting 350 ppm completely platonic dates. She has 1-2 of them lined up per week, and is booked for several months out. She does them because she enjoys the company usually w / successful people, and she's a foodie and essentially gets paid to eat somewhere super nice for dinner every week.

Apparently she runs into a lot of really busy successful older men in their mid 40's to late 50's who never had / have time for a real stable relationship of any sort and are lonely. She's extremely clear ahead of time that she is strictly looking only for platonic, and still has no problems lining up dates.

So to all those complaining about people paying too much and raising the base-rate and expectations, unfortunately it's not going to matter. People out there are paying for this stuff![/QUOTE]Oh bullsh*t! What your friend is allegedly doing isn't a "sugar relationship" She is rinsing dudes. Probably embellishing things as well.

But that said, just because there is ONE anomaly out there doesn't mean that it is the norm or that everyone should pay those rates! Do you believe everything you hear or read without independent confirmation?

Do some research, learn how to play the game, sharpen your skills by asking "how to" questions here. But don't be a chump and over pay!

I guess guys are looking desperately for any example or reason to justify their paying GPS prices so they don't have to get game, learn how to negotiate or improve your mongering. Just pay whatever is asked!

Sigh.

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;6033164]Oh bullsh*t! What your friend is allegedly doing isn't a "sugar relationship" She is rinsing dudes. Probably embellishing things as well.

But that said, just because there is ONE anomaly out there doesn't mean that it is the norm or that everyone should pay those rates! Do you believe everything you hear or read without independent confirmation?

Do some research, learn how to play the game, sharpen your skills by asking "how to" questions here. But don't be a chump and over pay!

I guess guys are looking desperately for any example or reason to justify their paying GPS prices so they don't have to get game, learn how to negotiate or improve your mongering. Just pay whatever is asked!

Sigh.[/QUOTE]She showed me the messages, so she definitely isn't embellishing. And I don't know if its fair to say she's rinsing if she's making it very clear that she only wants platonic at multiple points (profile, messages, in person). At that point, don't hate the player, hate the game.

With that said, I think she's not necessarily indicative of the market as a whole. Other than being on the wrong side of 30, she's probably top 1% compared to other options in terms of being attractive, blonde, in good shape, intelligent, has a respectable job, and technically-speaking, financially independent and not needy. No kids, single, so no family/relationship drama.

I for sure have had plenty of sugar relationships NON platonic for around the same or less as what she's getting. Its not an efficient market.

[QUOTE=Glhfddka;6033096]Met up a couple weeks back with a good female friend of mine from college. She's mid 30's, attractive, former collegiate volleyball player, and has a 6 figure income and an engineering degree. Turns out she's actually doing platonic sugar relationships. Apparently she has no problem getting 350 ppm completely platonic dates. She has 1-2 of them lined up per week, and is booked for several months out. She does them because she enjoys the company usually w / successful people, and she's a foodie and essentially gets paid to eat somewhere super nice for dinner every week.

Apparently she runs into a lot of really busy successful older men in their mid 40's to late 50's who never had / have time for a real stable relationship of any sort and are lonely. She's extremely clear ahead of time that she is strictly looking only for platonic, and still has no problems lining up dates.

So to all those complaining about people paying too much and raising the base-rate and expectations, unfortunately it's not going to matter. People out there are paying for this stuff![/QUOTE]LOL. Bro, I have a really nice bridge for sale in San Francisco, I can give it to you for a great price, DM me.

[QUOTE=SdPhilly;6033544]LOL. Bro, I have a really nice bridge for sale in San Francisco, I can give it to you for a great price, DM me.[/QUOTE]Aight buddy. Believe what you want. I've always provided good info to this forum, but that's fine you're free to think however you'd like.

[QUOTE=Glhfddka;6034107]Aight buddy. Believe what you want. I've always provided good info to this forum, but that's fine you're free to think however you'd like.[/QUOTE]I do not doubt that this happens occasionally. I've been tempted myself by some really appealing profiles. You said she's not rinsing because she tells guys it's platonic in her profile in her messages and in person. There is no way you could have confirmed all of that. (Care to share a link? Screenshot?) The real question is this: if guys are happy to pay her that much just for a nice dinner, how many repeat dates is she getting? And, if she is getting regular repeat dates, why is she still on the site? How long has she been at it? To be blunt, it sounds like she is similar to some of the really hot chicks who get on WYP and get a flurry of one-time MnG dates for cash and then find out no one wants to see them a second time. It may not be rinsing if the guys are seeing her out of self-delusion or hope but I doubt she is getting any second dates without some form of rinsing behavior. I suggest we suspend judgement and ask you to check with her in a year. If she can still show multiple dates with the same guys, I will be surprised. I freely admit, I could be wrong.

BAM.

[QUOTE=BamBam;6034264]I do not doubt that this happens occasionally. I've been tempted myself by some really appealing profiles. You said she's not rinsing because she tells guys it's platonic in her profile in her messages and in person. There is no way you could have confirmed all of that. (Care to share a link? Screenshot?) The real question is this: if guys are happy to pay her that much just for a nice dinner, how many repeat dates is she getting? And, if she is getting regular repeat dates, why is she still on the site? How long has she been at it? To be blunt, it sounds like she is similar to some of the really hot chicks who get on WYP and get a flurry of one-time MnG dates for cash and then find out no one wants to see them a second time. It may not be rinsing if the guys are seeing her out of self-delusion or hope but I doubt she is getting any second dates without some form of rinsing behavior. I suggest we suspend judgement and ask you to check with her in a year. If she can still show multiple dates with the same guys, I will be surprised. I freely admit, I could be wrong.

BAM.[/QUOTE]I think it's possible for a top 1% girl to have platonic meets. Probably for arm candy public events and business events. Thing is, the typical girl on this site is not in the top 1%. A supermodel type can get what she wants, the average college girl, or one working at Target, v isn't. Then you have the ones who are stay at home moms or strippers. They are not getting 2-3 platonic meets a week.

[QUOTE=Glhfddka;6033542]She showed me the messages, so she definitely isn't embellishing. And I don't know if its fair to say she's rinsing if she's making it very clear that she only wants platonic at multiple points (profile, messages, in person). At that point, don't hate the player, hate the game.

With that said, I think she's not necessarily indicative of the market as a whole. Other than being on the wrong side of 30, she's probably top 1% compared to other options in terms of being attractive, blonde, in good shape, intelligent, has a respectable job, and technically-speaking, financially independent and not needy. No kids, single, so no family/relationship drama.

I for sure have had plenty of sugar relationships NON platonic for around the same or less as what she's getting. Its not an efficient market.[/QUOTE]What girl is going to admit to a casual friend that she is flatbacking for money and fun? I think it's more likely she's fucking these guys.

Not hating the game as there is opportunity there. What I hate are guys who don't do the research, don't test the market, don't think with the big head, don't negotiate and skew the market out of their ignorance.

But as others observe the situation described is an anomaly it MAY happen in 1% of the SB cases. Point is that no one should use such a "data point" as justification for what the rates are these days.

But hey if you want to PAY high rates for platonic dates or even those high rates for FC dates, be my guest. Just know that it is the collective experience of others deeply in the SB game that you are overpaying and the girls are rinsing you.

[QUOTE=Glhfddka;6034107]Aight buddy. Believe what you want. I've always provided good info to this forum, but that's fine you're free to think however you'd like.[/QUOTE]I agree with what the others have said. Sure, you've provided info to the forum, but when you say something that doesn't seem realistic, don't be surprised if people call you out on it.

I have a good friend who's an SB as well. If she was able to pull in $350 for platonic dates, she'd tell me, but that's not reality.

As others have said, sure a supermodel type can pull that in for a first date, with a guy who either *really* wants hot arm candy for something or a guy who is hoping that he can turn platonic into intimate. If she's an absolute stunner, maybe she can do this twice a week, but it will be with a new guy every time. Why would anyone want to pay that for repeated platonic dates? So, great for her if she can do this consistently, but there's only so many guys out there willing to do this. More than likely she's fucking the guys and just doesn't want to admit it to you. Did the texts you supposedly saw say "I am never going to fuck you ever" or do they say "the first date is platonic?

Scammer. Wanted me to buy her minutes for her phone so we could speak offline. Asked a friend of mine who's in the game for money for groceries before they met. AVOID.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/173e456a-719c-4c0a-a272-da5c3f17f748[/URL]

[QUOTE=HenryT458;6042524]Scammer. Wanted me to buy her minutes for her phone so we could speak offline. Asked a friend of mine who's in the game for money for groceries before they met. AVOID.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/173e456a-719c-4c0a-a272-da5c3f17f748[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks for the heads up, Henry. But the link won't work. Sometimes, the issue with links is that there is a period on the end. But that's not the case here, so I'm not sure why it's not working. At least for me. The heading of your Report was "Glodd". Is that her screen name?

NEVERMIND. It was user error on my part. For some reason, pop-ups were blocked. Great looking girl; too bad she's a scammer. Thanks again.

[QUOTE=Glhfddka;6033096]Met up a couple weeks back with a good female friend of mine from college. She's mid 30's, attractive, former collegiate volleyball player, and has a 6 figure income and an engineering degree. Turns out she's actually doing platonic sugar relationships. Apparently she has no problem getting 350 ppm completely platonic dates. She has 1-2 of them lined up per week, and is booked for several months out. She does them because she enjoys the company usually w / successful people, and she's a foodie and essentially gets paid to eat somewhere super nice for dinner every week.

Apparently she runs into a lot of really busy successful older men in their mid 40's to late 50's who never had / have time for a real stable relationship of any sort and are lonely. She's extremely clear ahead of time that she is strictly looking only for platonic, and still has no problems lining up dates.

So to all those complaining about people paying too much and raising the base-rate and expectations, unfortunately it's not going to matter. People out there are paying for this stuff![/QUOTE]Dude she's getting stuffed like a Thanksgiving day turkey she just doesn't want to tell you for whatever reason.

[QUOTE=Glhfddka;6033096]Met up a couple weeks back with a good female friend of mine from college. She's mid 30's, attractive, former collegiate volleyball player, and has a 6 figure income and an engineering degree. Turns out she's actually doing platonic sugar relationships. Apparently she has no problem getting 350 ppm completely platonic dates. She has 1-2 of them lined up per week, and is booked for several months out. She does them because she enjoys the company usually w / successful people, and she's a foodie and essentially gets paid to eat somewhere super nice for dinner every week.

Apparently she runs into a lot of really busy successful older men in their mid 40's to late 50's who never had / have time for a real stable relationship of any sort and are lonely. She's extremely clear ahead of time that she is strictly looking only for platonic, and still has no problems lining up dates.

So to all those complaining about people paying too much and raising the base-rate and expectations, unfortunately it's not going to matter. People out there are paying for this stuff![/QUOTE]One other thing that is still nagging at me about this: she claimed to be booked several months out. Doesn't that seem strange? How many of us are making dates several months in advance? Even when I was civvy dating, I never planned things that far out. At a five star restaurant, maybe. Trip down the Grand Canyon? Okay several years out. But a platonic date with a chick two months from now? I'm not doing that for an FC date with the hottest chick I know. Even my long term regulars are set a week in advance or so. None of that sounds like typical male behavior. I am not questioning Glhfddka's account; I am sure he has shared what he heard. I just think she was spinning a tale for her own reasons.

BAM.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/4b7248cf-e59a-4e7c-97dc-95a5feb1e8f7[/URL]

She is flakey wants 4 per, will for BBFS with CIP if you fixed, if not you have to pull. Nice enough but not worth the effort imo.