Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[QUOTE=Twisted69;5091842]You said it, it takes extensive work to get what you want! Sorry the hobby is over for you![/QUOTE]As much as any transactional situation, you can either spend more money to get beautiful pussy, or you can spend time and effort to get beautiful pussy. You pay one way or the other.

If you don't want to spend money or effort, you can go cheap and get ugly drug addled pussy.

To expect easy to find, cheap, and pretty and you might as well expect to see a unicorn giving Big Foot a ride to tea party hosted by the Loch Ness monster.

[QUOTE=TheBrestMan;5090766]Soooo, the hobby is dead unless you already have established providers, or want to do extensive research into who might be still available. We need some new skin in the game. Pun intended.[/QUOTE]If that site was your only means of finding info on hookers, then yeah, it's probably dead for you. This site is just one of many sources you should be using to have a happy, fun time.

Take $25 out of your wallet with your left hand. Look at your right hand and say Hey Babe How about some quick fun for 25? Right hand gives thumbs up. Now pay your right hand to give you a hand job. There. Just like old times. Only your right hand will do what you want, when you want, how your want for as long as you want and not talk back. Plus you can pocket the 25

[QUOTE=TheBrestMan;5090766]Soooo, the hobby is dead unless you already have established providers, or want to do extensive research into who might be still available. We need some new skin in the game. Pun intended.[/QUOTE]

So just received a threatening text from someone saying I had wasted time of one of his Mexican girls. Assuming this was in regarding one of the many who string you along and ask for prepay. May also have been one of the recent snapchat scam. Had my name and address and obviously cell. Be careful out there. Threatening to go to family or hurt me if I don't pay to make up time wasted. Single so not sure who he's going to. But alarming anyway. Be safe and will keep posted.

This site really, REALLY, needs a thumbs up button! Can someone persuade A2 on that?

Bam.

[QUOTE=WanderingAbout;5092128]Take $25 out of your wallet with your left hand. Look at your right hand and say Hey Babe How about some quick fun for 25? Right hand gives thumbs up. Now pay your right hand to give you a hand job. There. Just like old times. Only your right hand will do what you want, when you want, how your want for as long as you want and not talk back. Plus you can pocket the 25[/QUOTE]

Similar story in Dayton "General Reports. ".

Includes a link to a Fox TV station report as well.

[URL]https://kmph.com/news/local/scammers-pretending-to-be-ms-13-text-people-graphic-photos-personal-information[/URL]

[QUOTE=DrPaulRx;5092252]So just received a threatening text from someone saying I had wasted time of one of his Mexican girls. Assuming this was in regarding one of the many who string you along and ask for prepay. May also have been one of the recent snapchat scam. Had my name and address and obviously cell. Be careful out there. Threatening to go to family or hurt me if I don't pay to make up time wasted. Single so not sure who he's going to. But alarming anyway. Be safe and will keep posted.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=VinnieKramer;5093136]Similar story in Dayton "General Reports. ".

Includes a link to a Fox TV station report as well.

[URL]https://kmph.com/news/local/scammers-pretending-to-be-ms-13-text-people-graphic-photos-personal-information[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks. That's exactly it.

I have been in the hobby over 25 years and I'm in my mid 60's. I am a nice looking gentleman and physically fit for my age. I have seen 2 providers in their mid 30's and had a great time with each one and had no problems or issues. The only problem is when I want to see them again they don't respond to my texts and just ghost me without giving me a reason why they aren't responding. Could it be my age where they don't want to see someone who is 30 years older than them? Anyone have any opinions on what could be going on?

[QUOTE=BigCat44;5093324]I have been in the hobby over 25 years and I'm in my mid 60's. I am a nice looking gentleman and physically fit for my age. I have seen 2 providers in their mid 30's and had a great time with each one and had no problems or issues. The only problem is when I want to see them again they don't respond to my texts and just ghost me without giving me a reason why they aren't responding. Could it be my age where they don't want to see someone who is 30 years older than them? Anyone have any opinions on what could be going on?[/QUOTE]Well, since you asked. Providers that ghost clients before a first meeting is normally due to them getting spooked, thinking that you could be a cop or worse. (I am not including going crickets due to them passing out from drugs, double booking, etc.). Providers that ghost clients after a first meeting is normally because they did not have a good time for whatever reason. They know you're for real so the FOC (fear of cop) is gone. Now, I don't know what goes on during your sessions, or how long your sessions are, or anything that you didn't mention. I know for a fact that ladies don't really like doing QVs because there is no time to warm up-- mentally, it's just more taxing for a client to come in, hump for 15 minutes, and then you're out of there. Sure, providing is about the money; it's 99% about the money. But it still takes a toll.

I do 1 hour sessions for 2 reasons. The first is that I can do a double pop (occasionally 3) within 45 minutes, and for me at least, the second is more intense than the first and that second pop is my goal. The first gets my body all tingling, the second takes that sensation and squares it; raised to the power of 2. I love that. The second reason is that spending 5 or 10 minutes chit chatting, even with ladies I have already met before, pays dividends in the GFE fantasy that I play into. GFE is not what everyone seeks, but it is what I look for. Getting hurried and harried is NOT part of that.

[QUOTE=DNut;5083752]When I read a post alleging something, I look at the history of the poster and weigh their history and reputation along with the allegation. Every single person in the thread, including Taylor Nikole, have solid reputations. On one hand you have a solid provider in Taylor Nikole who vouches for Carmen, and even does duos with her. In the very literal sense, she put skin in the game. Taylor involved herself with Carmen in the very same way a client would involve himself with Carmen. On the other hand, you have guys who are waving the red flag on whose word I would see or not see a provider. They are my tribe; my people. It's to them that I count on to add to the group memory.

Tough call.

But in the end, I have to trust my tribe. Why? Well, for one, they see things from my perspective. They are fellow customers, and are on the payer side of the transaction. They run the same risks as I do when seeing a girl. And like me, their risk-to-benefit outlook errs on same side as I do. They are me, and I am them. Second, as much as I consider Taylor Nikole's word to have substance, THERE ARE OTHER GIRLS. I have never been shy about my willingness to walk away from a meeting, even right up to the point that a girl opens the door naked, and this is just that. This is just another situation where it's better to walk away and find someone else without the red flags being waved by my tribe.[/QUOTE]Well said brother.

[QUOTE=BigCat44;5093324]I have been in the hobby over 25 years and I'm in my mid 60's. I am a nice looking gentleman and physically fit for my age. I have seen 2 providers in their mid 30's and had a great time with each one and had no problems or issues. The only problem is when I want to see them again they don't respond to my texts and just ghost me without giving me a reason why they aren't responding. Could it be my age where they don't want to see someone who is 30 years older than them? Anyone have any opinions on what could be going on?[/QUOTE]In my experience the quality providers want to like you to some degree first impression on first meet is huge plus women dont care much about looks or age they like to be treated nicely I don't do QV or haggle rates if its to much i move on if you want them to be your regular treating them as a woman by picking up a surprise $10 bouquet at walmart while picking up a box of covers or offering to bring them a breakfast sandwich from mcdonalds goes a long way on first meets they respond warmly with no clock watching phone is shut off a few have given me their private cell number for the next visit so I'm not getting delayed responses with their unreliable text app phone. I'm 60 I have 3 maybe 4 20ish or 30ish aged regulars that never ghost me they know my schedule is tight and they never disappoint But like I said I try to deal only with quality providers.

[QUOTE=Tolcin;5094833]In my experience the quality providers want to like you to some degree first impression on first meet is huge plus women dont care much about looks or age they like to be treated nicely I don't do QV or haggle rates if its to much i move on if you want them to be your regular treating them as a woman by picking up a surprise $10 bouquet at walmart while picking up a box of covers or offering to bring them a breakfast sandwich from mcdonalds goes a long way on first meets they respond warmly with no clock watching phone is shut off a few have given me their private cell number for the next visit so I'm not getting delayed responses with their unreliable text app phone. I'm 60 I have 3 maybe 4 20ish or 30ish aged regulars that never ghost me they know my schedule is tight and they never disappoint But like I said I try to deal only with quality providers.[/QUOTE]I agree 100% with these comments. Several times, I've stopped at Kroger where you can pick up a decent bouquet of flowers for only $5. The few times I've done it the girls were just giddy with surprise and it sets a VERY positive atmosphere to begin a "relationship", even it's only a one-time thing. Granted, you never know what you're going to get in return from these girls. Many of them have been driven to hard-core lifestyles because of abusive childhoods, abusive relationships, drugs, etc. And they probably don't give a damn about a few flowers. Most of them, though, will respond favorably--maybe not enough to make any huge difference in their attitude, but probably better than you would have received otherwise. I just don't think it makes sense to treat them like dirt and then expect them to "perform".

I have always tried to provide a BFE to their GFE.

Treating them like human beings and not splooge dumpsters has always gotten me more traction for my dollars.

There are many on the boards who don't see providers as people with feelings. Treat them like shit and you will get shit back.

[QUOTE=Kenal1;5095571]I agree 100% with these comments. Several times, I've stopped at Kroger where you can pick up a decent bouquet of flowers for only $5. The few times I've done it the girls were just giddy with surprise and it sets a VERY positive atmosphere to begin a "relationship", even it's only a one-time thing. Granted, you never know what you're going to get in return from these girls. Many of them have been driven to hard-core lifestyles because of abusive childhoods, abusive relationships, drugs, etc. And they probably don't give a damn about a few flowers. Most of them, though, will respond favorably--maybe not enough to make any huge difference in their attitude, but probably better than you would have received otherwise. I just don't think it makes sense to treat them like dirt and then expect them to "perform".[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BTBear;5096120]I have always tried to provide a BFE to their GFE.

Treating them like human beings and not splooge dumpsters has always gotten me more traction for my dollars.

There are many on the boards who don't see providers as people with feelings. Treat them like shit and you will get shit back.[/QUOTE]I have found that simple acts of kindness goes a long way. I have drive several woman to get things from a store or taken them to a friends house. Sometimes things like that might get you a better rate or open up things they don't normally do. These woman are someone's daughters or mothers sisters you wonder what has driven them to the point of having to sell there body's to stay alive. Was it a drug addiction they could no longer afford, Or maybe the physical and mental abuse they suffered drove them to selling there bodies and the drug use started because they had to numb them selves to what they are doing, you just never know. I once over heard a conversation an escort was having on the phone. It sounded like she was trying to get into drug rehab. So after we finished I asked her about it and she said yes she was wanting to go but know one would take her there. So I said I would. She looked at me a started to cry she said really I said yes when do you want to go she picked up the stuff she wanted and said lets go. She gave me the directions to it I dropped her off say her walk in waited about 15 or 20 min she didn't come out so I felt she got excepted and I left. I never did here from her again, and I never saw her advertising again either. That was years ago when I lived in Illinois.

[QUOTE=BigCat44;5093324]I have been in the hobby over 25 years and I'm in my mid 60's. I am a nice looking gentleman and physically fit for my age. I have seen 2 providers in their mid 30's and had a great time with each one and had no problems or issues. The only problem is when I want to see them again they don't respond to my texts and just ghost me without giving me a reason why they aren't responding. Could it be my age where they don't want to see someone who is 30 years older than them? Anyone have any opinions on what could be going on?[/QUOTE]They might just not remember you. I have had some who didn't remember me until they saw me again. It was only a couple weeks too. They get so many messages and calls, they usually don't keep track. If you have a good first time, give them your hobby name to save your number under. It could be they might not be working for awhile. It coukd be any number of reasons that are unrelated to you. It could be you too, if you didn't treat them well.

I agree with the others. It is about the money. So if you just did qv or haggled, that lessens your chances. I had one tell me, she accepted the hr and hhr offers first. If I like a provider I will tip them extra money. The ones I did, I had no trouble seeing them again. There's way more guys with money looking for service, than available providers. So it is a providers market at the moment. So if they are decent providers, they can pick and choose who they see. This is based on you wanting to be discreet. Like if you married or job who doesn't need to know. If you can search other avenues like social media and date sites, might open more options for you.