General Reports

Thursdays being what they are and the promise of a slow, cool weekend ahead, I decided to start my weekend a bit early and take a tour of the local talent. The first stop was a drive through Old Louisville. I can confirm Partay's recent "SW" report about the presence of dark automobiles with dark windows and darker souls lurking therein parked at various locations along Floyd Street between Kentucky and Ormsby. Late evening strolls seem to be losing popularity among the Victorians.

Next was a quick trip downtown for a cold beer and a hot lady. PTs as usual, with a very short stay near Stage 2 and the not very private VIP. An attentive blond helped me bid a fond farewell to $$ in less than 30 minutes. Enjoyable, but not worth the expensive in that environment. I requested a telephone number, and she offered that I might receive it "next time." I responded by asking if she could recommend a lady for me to visit the next time I came to PTs. I do not anticipate receiving a number (or anything else) from her any time soon.

Third stop was dinner with a friend at Don Pablo's across the bridge and a short drive north. Worth the drive. I had to wonder if the raven haired waitress on the balcony level is in the profession. Her "tramp stamp" and "Don't I know you?" question suggests the affirmative, but it may just be wishful thinking on my part. She does look strikingly like an escort I met a few years back through Fantasy's service, but I cannot be sure. They all blend together after a time.

Final stop was back to Old Louisville and a trip with my friend to the ABE company."Cassidy" was the attractive blond thirty-something who assisted me with an appreciated nightcap. Paid her the admission price and a $ for her attention to detail. My friend chose "Roxanne," but she did not arrive after 25 minutes of waiting. He left to visit PTs.

I only hope he did not run into the attentive blond.

The weather is surely turning colder each day but we should not forget how hot it can be in certain places around town. Be safe and be sure to dress appropriately for the weather! PM for more details on the proper dress code!

[QUOTE=Monkey Nuts; 1303006]Fellas,

Has anyone stumbled across any square bars / clubs / other random hangouts lately, with a overly favorable horny female to male ratio? There are chicks in Louisville that will gladly clean-up and leave for free. I'm curious if there are any secret barrels of fish to go shoot at?

Thanks,

MN[/QUOTE]Hit up any of the clubs on Baxter on Friday & Saturday and you should be cool. Drunk chicks all over, so drop a Ben on booze and bring some jazz cigs and you're in. Those chicks know chicks and talk too much, so dodge it if you don't want info waitin on you when you get home. 7th Street to hit up the Green Light all else fails. Pack a whole case of Lysol and clean 'them up first. Should just tag "sure thing bada bing" on the side of the building. Nuf said.

[QUOTE=Doctor Z;1306726]Hit up any of the clubs on Baxter on Friday & Saturday and you should be cool. Drunk chicks all over, so drop a Ben on booze and bring some jazz cigs and you're in. Those chicks know chicks and talk too much, so dodge it if you don't want info waitin on you when you get home. 7th Street to hit up the Green Light all else fails. Pack a whole case of Lysol and clean 'them up first. Should just tag "sure thing bada bing" on the side of the building. Nuf said.[/QUOTE]Is it a pretty varied age range throughout the clubs on Baxter, or is it mainly college kids? Where's the 30's crowd in Louisville with drunk chicks all over? :-)

[QUOTE=Slick Dick;1307002]Is it a pretty varied age range throughout the clubs on Baxter, or is it mainly college kids? Where's the 30's crowd in Louisville with drunk chicks all over? :-)[/QUOTE]Depends on when you go. 30s are there right after work until about 10 (that's when I go.) School kids come in later and party till 2-3 am. Check O'Shea's and Molly's for grown folks.

[QUOTE=Slick Dick;1307002]Is it a pretty varied age range throughout the clubs on Baxter, or is it mainly college kids? Where's the 30's crowd in Louisville with drunk chicks all over? :-)[/QUOTE]Drakes in st. Matthews. Young. Old. MILF. There all there.

Happy hunting.

Hi,

Some of you may have noticed, not that I'm a narcissist or anything, that I haven't been posting in several weeks. My last posts had concerned my experiences with Crystal and Renee. In fact I had posted on Renee's behalf. I promised a story concerning Crystal at the time.

Unfortunately, someone who frequents this forum passed on this information to Crystal and her minions. As a result, I was met at my: place of work, and my home by two thug want to-be's who made it a point to try and disabuse me of any ideas I might have in my head concerning Crystal.

Fortunately, I have an excellent neighborhood watch, and the assholes were quickly dispatched by the local constables: Also my old lady was not home. The incident at work ended in ugliness for me and awkward questions from my employer.

My goal here is two-fold. I became complacent in familiarity, and did not keep my radar up. Also, fellow-mongers. Don't report to the girls what your reading on here. Especially if it's negative. The ones that are too stupid or broke to get there own computer don't need to here second hand about this site.

Has anyone else had similar experiences? Would any of my peers here care to admit your role in this?

Be cautious who you tell information to. I have noticed members with no history on this site asking for golden information. I think these chicks are becoming more synical about stuff. I just say be careful about letting them know too much about your personal life, ie where you work, live etc. Heard Jenna speak on she videos guys as they come to her house. To me even if she is just talking, figure how much damage that could do.

I had one girl that I call periodically when I feel like participating. She took it upon herself to start calling me 3 or 4 times a week. I had to let her know she does not dictate when I want to spend money. Now she will not even see me at all. But she threaten me, saying she knew where I lived and all.

If you did not already know, this site is infested with many pimps that are pushing their girls.

[QUOTE=Funtongue13; 1307730]Hi,

Some of you may have noticed, not that I'm a narcissist or anything, that I haven't been posting in several weeks. My last posts had concerned my experiences with Crystal and Renee. In fact I had posted on Renee's behalf. I promised a story concerning Crystal at the time.

Unfortunately, someone who frequents this forum passed on this information to Crystal and her minions. As a result, I was met at my: place of work, and my home by two thug want to-be's who made it a point to try and disabuse me of any ideas I might have in my head concerning Crystal.

Fortunately, I have an excellent neighborhood watch, and the assholes were quickly dispatched by the local constables: Also my old lady was not home. The incident at work ended in ugliness for me and awkward questions from my employer.

My goal here is two-fold. I became complacent in familiarity, and did not keep my radar up. Also, fellow-mongers. Don't report to the girls what your reading on here. Especially if it's negative. The ones that are too stupid or broke to get there own computer don't need to here second hand about this site.

Has anyone else had similar experiences? Would any of my peers here care to admit your role in this?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Lev Cole;1307819]Be cautious who you tell information to.I had one girl that I call periodically when I feel like participating. She took it upon herself to start calling me 3 or 4 times a week. I had to let her know she does not dictate when I want to spend money. Now she will not even see me at all. But she threaten me, saying she knew where I lived and all. If you did not already know, this site is infested with many pimps that are pushing their girls.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Funtongue13]Unfortunately, someone who frequents this forum passed on this information to Crystal and her minions. As a result, I was met at my: place of work, and my home by two thug want to-be's who made it a point to try and disabuse me of any ideas I might have in my head concerning Crystal. Fortunately, I have an excellent neighborhood watch, and the assholes were quickly dispatched by the local constables: Also my old lady was not home. The incident at work ended in ugliness for me and awkward questions from my employer.[/QUOTE]These are perfect examples of why I stopped using solo artists and gravitated more toward the professional clubs and escort services. It is more expensive to spend time with providers from these services, but my private information and personal life is never compromised. Saving money while receiving good service is certainly worthwhile, and getting the most from our investment is key. Protecting my personal safety and my home life, however, is priceless.

Providers who are all too willing to provide everything while accepting pennies costs hobbyists more in the long run. They eventually come to expect us to sacrifice in kind on a personal level (eg,"my rent is due," "I need to pay my phone bill," "add your excuse here".) The threatening behavior is soon to follow. A board member asked recently what the difference was between $80 p*ssy and $160 p*ssy? The difference is the girl who calls to threaten you to pay her utility bill and the one who thanks you and fades politely from view.

This low-budget activity is precisely what leads to the cloak and dagger conduct we must engage in locally.

Very sorry to hear that Funtongue. I know you have some weapons of your own, but if you need a bigger gun, some ammo, or a second rifleman- just drop me a line.

Does this mean that Renee is no longer a good option to use? I never received responses from her on the number provided when I tried to contact before- but it was during a period when we thought she might be out of town. Still looking forward to seeing her, just want to make sure she wasn't involved. Thanks for all your past help, and good luck.

[QUOTE=Funtongue13; 1307730]Hi,

Some of you may have noticed, not that I'm a narcissist or anything, that I haven't been posting in several weeks. My last posts had concerned my experiences with Crystal and Renee. In fact I had posted on Renee's behalf. I promised a story concerning Crystal at the time.

Unfortunately, someone who frequents this forum passed on this information to Crystal and her minions. As a result, I was met at my: place of work, and my home by two thug want to-be's who made it a point to try and disabuse me of any ideas I might have in my head concerning Crystal.

Fortunately, I have an excellent neighborhood watch, and the assholes were quickly dispatched by the local constables: Also my old lady was not home. The incident at work ended in ugliness for me and awkward questions from my employer.

My goal here is two-fold. I became complacent in familiarity, and did not keep my radar up. Also, fellow-mongers. Don't report to the girls what your reading on here. Especially if it's negative. The ones that are too stupid or broke to get there own computer don't need to here second hand about this site.

Has anyone else had similar experiences? Would any of my peers here care to admit your role in this?[/QUOTE]

I am new here but I have seen Crystal a few times. I saw here trying to see Renee. Renee is the hotter of the two.

In any event I got the same experience, calling my home and cell all of the time asking for cash.

Even showed up at my home unannounced once asking for cash.

Inviting her there was a big mistake.

The first time I saw Crystal she did the deed for $60 and a tank of gas.

Real low life. Be careful of these two

[QUOTE=Legal Eagle; 1307919]These are perfect examples of why I stopped using solo artists and gravitated more toward the professional clubs and escort services. It is more expensive to spend time with providers from these services, but my private information and personal life is never compromised. Saving money while receiving good service is certainly worthwhile, and getting the most from our investment is key. Protecting my personal safety and my home life, however, is priceless.

Providers who are all too willing to provide everything while accepting pennies costs hobbyists more in the long run. They eventually come to expect us to sacrifice in kind on a personal level (eg,"my rent is due," "I need to pay my phone bill," "add your excuse here".) The threatening behavior is soon to follow. A board member asked recently what the difference was between $80 p*ssy and $160 p*ssy? The difference is the girl who calls to threaten you to pay her utility bill and the one who thanks you and fades politely from view.

This low-budget activity is precisely what leads to the cloak and dagger conduct we must engage in locally.[/QUOTE]Amen Brother!

[QUOTE=Lev Cole; 1307819]Be cautious who you tell information to. I have noticed members with no history on this site asking for golden information. I think these chicks are becoming more synical about stuff. I just say be careful about letting them know too much about your personal life, ie where you work, live etc. Heard Jenna speak on she videos guys as they come to her house. To me even if she is just talking, figure how much damage that could do.

I had one girl that I call periodically when I feel like participating. She took it upon herself to start calling me 3 or 4 times a week. I had to let her know she does not dictate when I want to spend money. Now she will not even see me at all. But she threaten me, saying she knew where I lived and all.

If you did not already know, this site is infested with many pimps that are pushing their girls.[/QUOTE]LEVCOLE,

We all know that I am well versed so take this for what it is worth. When a secret (provider) starts calling to extort you in anyway, the only turn of action that has worked since 1996, is to let them know that you are not calling the police sweety, because you may have very well taped me, got my license plate, got my burn phone registry through Frankfort, taken my mobile phone number to you FRIEND with informative access or any number of things that the SMART Gals can, will and do invoke to KNOW who you are incase of whatever, and simply let them know that a friendly call can be placed to the Metro Revenue Commission at any time, with just a tip and their pathetic extortion tips will end. Unlike police, the commission does not need warrants, probable cause or acts to look at taxes vs. Bank deposits, vs. Lifestyles of excess, how bills get paid, OTHER income or LACK of on the part of the secret. No matter how "pill head" or struggling you believe them to be just because of the low scale place thay have secured to host you, They all make the money you pay them, several times a day, almost every day of the week. No of them are "broke" and all of them know how to sell, it's what they do!

Listen are don't "MONGERS".

[QUOTE=James Braddock; 1307938]Very sorry to hear that Funtongue. I know you have some weapons of your own, but if you need a bigger gun, some ammo, or a second rifleman- just drop me a line.

Does this mean that Renee is no longer a good option to use? I never received responses from her on the number provided when I tried to contact before- but it was during a period when we thought she might be out of town. Still looking forward to seeing her, just want to make sure she wasn't involved. Thanks for all your past help, and good luck.[/QUOTE]LOL. Thanks man. I would not contact Renee. When I contacted Renee about the issue she started forwarded my messages to Crystal.

[QUOTE=Legal Eagle; 1307919]These are perfect examples of why I stopped using solo artists and gravitated more toward the professional clubs and escort services. It is more expensive to spend time with providers from these services, but my private information and personal life is never compromised. Saving money while receiving good service is certainly worthwhile, and getting the most from our investment is key. Protecting my personal safety and my home life, however, is priceless.

Providers who are all too willing to provide everything while accepting pennies costs hobbyists more in the long run. They eventually come to expect us to sacrifice in kind on a personal level (eg,"my rent is due," "I need to pay my phone bill," "add your excuse here".) The threatening behavior is soon to follow. A board member asked recently what the difference was between $80 p*ssy and $160 p*ssy? The difference is the girl who calls to threaten you to pay her utility bill and the one who thanks you and fades politely from view.

This low-budget activity is precisely what leads to the cloak and dagger conduct we must engage in locally.[/QUOTE]I agree to a point. The first times I visited Renee and Crystal; They were not low rate. However, as I continued to visit them, the price came down. They, along with Rosie, had been regulars of mine for about two years. The problem, came with my complacency, and familiarity.

Usually, I make situational awareness a priority. I grew too comfortable with the situation, and forgot that they were working girls looking for money. Their men followed me around, I belive, to discover where I work and live. I usually look for people tailing me, and if I had paid any attention; I would have easily recognized these popcorn pimps. That happened two years ago, and when I was surprised at work by Crystal one day, I tried to end things.

This led to an appearance at my home. 30 miles away from where I work, by her boyfriend / pimp / scumbag. He said that he wanted 200. 00 a month from me or he would tell: work, family, police. That I was paying for pussy. I reminded him that: what I was doing is a misdemeanor, and that blackmail is a felony: So lets go to the cops now.

He left, and I didn't here from him again till the other day.

Hi guys,

Are we talking about Crystal, the older woman that ran (maybe still does) the office in Middletown?

I never saw her due to lack of interest (same with Renee) but have been to the office probably a year or so ago. If we are talking about the same office, there was some nice talent there at one time.

I had heard from a local that this Crystal was involved with what most would consider shady at best. I didn't put too much into it at the time but this would certainly make one think there was some truth to it.

It sucks that you had to put up with this kind of crap. It just proves that we are not friends with the talent. We are customers and they provide a service. I know that I have become friendly with a few and have at times probably given up too much information. But when you see this kind of crap happening, it is an eye opener and snaps you back to reality. They use fake pics and give fake names. Most have burn phones and if they are talking they are lying. From her own admission, the Jenna's have hidden cameras. We have to be equals. Use a fake name, your burn phone and give no personal information. Leave everything in the room when you leave and go back to your real life. We are both using each other for what we want.

After all, it is just a hobby.

I also want to share that I have been given some information that I believe to be reliable. Take it for what it is worth and use it if you see fit.
There is one or more offices in the east end that may have been penetrated with some undercover workers. I am not talking about the type of undercover workers that we all seek either. Take this and add to it that there are some from My1501 that are still on the front pages while facing possible charges. More often than not, in our justice system those facing charges are given opportunities for lesser penalties if they cooperate. This combined with some other information I have recieved lead me to believe that mongers are being targeted as well as providers. My best advice, and the plan I am following, is to see those that I know as regulars and that I know are safe. There are always newbies popping up and we are all tempted to try something new. But before taking a dip in a new pond, do your homework.

Stay safe my friends. Stay smart.

SS,

[QUOTE=Funtongue13; 1307730]Hi,

Some of you may have noticed, not that I'm a narcissist or anything, that I haven't been posting in several weeks. My last posts had concerned my experiences with Crystal and Renee. In fact I had posted on Renee's behalf. I promised a story concerning Crystal at the time.

Unfortunately, someone who frequents this forum passed on this information to Crystal and her minions. As a result, I was met at my: place of work, and my home by two thug want to-be's who made it a point to try and disabuse me of any ideas I might have in my head concerning Crystal.

Fortunately, I have an excellent neighborhood watch, and the assholes were quickly dispatched by the local constables: Also my old lady was not home. The incident at work ended in ugliness for me and awkward questions from my employer.

My goal here is two-fold. I became complacent in familiarity, and did not keep my radar up. Also, fellow-mongers. Don't report to the girls what your reading on here. Especially if it's negative. The ones that are too stupid or broke to get there own computer don't need to here second hand about this site.

Has anyone else had similar experiences? Would any of my peers here care to admit your role in this?[/QUOTE]I have always been untrusting of anyone I have seen in this hobby, but over the years I have become less guarded, not to the point that I give them my job and home info, but then again how hard would it be for a provider to have someone follow you after you leave if they wanted to cause trouble. Guard is back up 100. Thanks for the story and hopefully it is over for you!

[QUOTE=TheSportScout; 1308665]Hi guys,

Are we talking about Crystal, the older woman that ran (maybe still does) the office in Middletown?

I never saw her due to lack of interest (same with Renee) but have been to the office probably a year or so ago. If we are talking about the same office, there was some nice talent there at one time.

I had heard from a local that this Crystal was involved with what most would consider shady at best. I didn't put too much into it at the time but this would certainly make one think there was some truth to it.

It sucks that you had to put up with this kind of crap. It just proves that we are not friends with the talent. We are customers and they provide a service. I know that I have become friendly with a few and have at times probably given up too much information. But when you see this kind of crap happening, it is an eye opener and snaps you back to reality. They use fake pics and give fake names. Most have burn phones and if they are talking they are lying. From her own admission, the Jenna's have hidden cameras. We have to be equals. Use a fake name, your burn phone and give no personal information. Leave everything in the room when you leave and go back to your real life. We are both using each other for what we want.

After all, it is just a hobby.

I also want to share that I have been given some information that I believe to be reliable. Take it for what it is worth and use it if you see fit.

There is one or more offices in the east end that may have been penetrated with some undercover workers. I am not talking about the type of undercover workers that we all seek either. Take this and add to it that there are some from My1501 that are still on the front pages while facing possible charges. More often than not, in our justice system those facing charges are given opportunities for lesser penalties if they cooperate. This combined with some other information I have recieved lead me to believe that mongers are being targeted as well as providers. My best advice, and the plan I am following, is to see those that I know as regulars and that I know are safe. There are always newbies popping up and we are all tempted to try something new. But before taking a dip in a new pond, do your homework.

Stay safe my friends. Stay smart.

SS, [/QUOTE]Wrong Crystal. The Crystal that was in Middletown is not the fat Crystal that ran with Renee.

I would say that I have also heard similar information that one of the locations is not what it may seem. Stay safe my friends. Pick your independent gal and lay low for a while.

[QUOTE=Sunycide; 1309045]Wrong Crystal. The Crystal that was in Middletown is not the fat Crystal that ran with Renee.

I would say that I have also heard similar information that one of the locations is not what it may seem. Stay safe my friends. Pick your independent gal and lay low for a while.[/QUOTE]I can dig it. Dropped into Trixies and even there cats were whispering about the hottie on the day / night tip and heard it more than once. Thats whats up. Three fivo-o-mobiles sittin in the gas station lot up the street on my way out. And zero like nada on Algonquin & dixie even when its warm outside. Is it just me freakin out?

Had another dream about this young lady today. What can I say but that it was a pure pleasure and she is a real treasure. A lovely face with a very nice fugure and a here to please attitude. Needless to say that I am already looking forward to seeing her again.

Gentlemen she is a real jewel so please treat her right.

[QUOTE=MrsIndependent; 1309469]Today I get an email from an angry client that he didn't get a happy ending.

So I'm wondering how am I to tell who wants a happy ending and who don't!

Oneday I started to give a guy one and he jumps up and says oh no I don't want that stop.

Can we say spooked!

If you lay there get you massage and don't act flirty touchy ect I figure you want your massage only and you stay covered under the sheet.

If you want one some ask grab it so on.

So how am I to know who does or don't?[/QUOTE]I don't know about other guys, but I am ultra respectful and almost meek until the provider (during massage anyway) makes the first move. Some girls don't like to be touched, fondled, or talked to like that till they start their thing. Some (Randi for instance) don't like it at all, and she gives a HE everytime. I will tell you almost every guy who comes to you probably wants one (or at least would be cool with getting them) Yes, there will be those guys just looking for a massage, and when that happens, (like with the last guy) just say sorry and go on for the rest of the session with a normal massage, better that way than get angry clients and therefore less return business.

Another piece of advice I have, is when you tell them to get comfortable, stay in the room. I've had this happen a couple times, and I think it really increases the comfort level between providers and clients (also, it means I don't have to lay on a bed for 5 minutes while "getting comfortable" since it takes me like 20 seconds to lose shorts. I digress) and if they don't want a HE, they will probably make it clear at this time as they will not be comfortable with you in there while they are changing, otherwise, why would you care if she saw you, she is about to do way more than that anyway.

Finally, if you are not comfortable with staying in the room, use the towel as a barometer. If there is a towel on the table when I come to one of these (there is more often than not) I use that as a signal. If people wear the towel, more often than not it probably means they are just there for a massage. I never wear the towel and throw it on the floor, as an unspoken word that I am here for a HE.

If you have anything else about this question feel free to PM, as I am not writing it all on the forum, as the boys in blue like to read this stuff.

I am somewhat different. I always, and I mean always, try to grab some ass (except with Randi, because I knew of her reservations in advance). As such I don't really know how providers would initiate on someone they are unsure of. Most of the girls I see are atleast partially naked pretty early in the massage and we both know why I'm there. I never cover up with the towel and instead lay on it (Figure it provides their table some protection from the result of the HE) , but maybe you could tug lightly on the guy's towel and ask if he would like to get more comfortable?

[QUOTE=Cloud Strife; 1309592]I don't know about other guys, but I am ultra respectful and almost meek until the provider (during massage anyway) makes the first move. Some girls don't like to be touched, fondled, or talked to like that till they start their thing. Some (Randi for instance) don't like it at all, and she gives a HE everytime. I will tell you almost every guy who comes to you probably wants one (or at least would be cool with getting them) Yes, there will be those guys just looking for a massage, and when that happens, (like with the last guy) just say sorry and go on for the rest of the session with a normal massage, better that way than get angry clients and therefore less return business.

Another piece of advice I have, is when you tell them to get comfortable, stay in the room. I've had this happen a couple times, and I think it really increases the comfort level between providers and clients (also, it means I don't have to lay on a bed for 5 minutes while "getting comfortable" since it takes me like 20 seconds to lose shorts. I digress) and if they don't want a HE, they will probably make it clear at this time as they will not be comfortable with you in there while they are changing, otherwise, why would you care if she saw you, she is about to do way more than that anyway.

Finally, if you are not comfortable with staying in the room, use the towel as a barometer. If there is a towel on the table when I come to one of these (there is more often than not) I use that as a signal. If people wear the towel, more often than not it probably means they are just there for a massage. I never wear the towel and throw it on the floor, as an unspoken word that I am here for a HE.

If you have anything else about this question feel free to PM, as I am not writing it all on the forum, as the boys in blue like to read this stuff.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrsIndependent; 1309469]Today I get an email from an angry client that he didn't get a happy ending.

So I'm wondering how am I to tell who wants a happy ending and who don't!

Oneday I started to give a guy one and he jumps up and says oh no I don't want that stop.

Can we say spooked!

If you lay there get you massage and don't act flirty touchy ect I figure you want your massage only and you stay covered under the sheet.

If you want one some ask grab it so on.

So how am I to know who does or don't?[/QUOTE]The other advice you received is excellent. I am also somewhat reserved in my requests. I have found that I work off past reviews of knowing if a lady will provide an HE before I even ask. And, if she undresses a bit, that helps put me at ease. I think there are mutual 'signals' that often take place. The first time a client meets a woman, and visa versa, there is always a sense of hesitation. Is she legit and will she relax me? Is he LE or obnoxious, or is he a nice guy who's looking for the HE? I suspect the no towel is a signal and additionally, if during the massage, the hands make their way down toward the guy's balls and he moans or shows some sort of approval, then he's looking for the HE. And, if he invites you to undress after the flip, that's also a sign.

One thing. The guy who wrote you angry he got the HE. Wow. It sounds like he felt guilty or something. If he didn't want one he certainly could have had you stop. I mean, seriously. LOL

[QUOTE=Jake 4119; 1309620]The other advice you received is excellent. I am also somewhat reserved in my requests. I have found that I work off past reviews of knowing if a lady will provide an HE before I even ask. And, if she undresses a bit, that helps put me at ease. I think there are mutual 'signals' that often take place. The first time a client meets a woman, and visa versa, there is always a sense of hesitation. Is she legit and will she relax me? Is he LE or obnoxious, or is he a nice guy who's looking for the HE? I suspect the no towel is a signal and additionally, if during the massage, the hands make their way down toward the guy's balls and he moans or shows some sort of approval, then he's looking for the HE. And, if he invites you to undress after the flip, that's also a sign.

One thing. The guy who wrote you angry he got the HE. Wow. It sounds like he felt guilty or something. If he didn't want one he certainly could have had you stop. I mean, seriously. LOL[/QUOTE]From what I gathered, she got an email from someone angry that she did not finish him. Hence why she is now asking how to know for sure, because she was spooked by the first guy reacting to her proceeding to give it.

If I am wrong, feel free to correct me E.

[QUOTE=James Braddock;1309615]I am somewhat different. I always, and I mean always, try to grab some ass (except with Randi, because I knew of her reservations in advance). As such I don't really know how providers would initiate on someone they are unsure of. Most of the girls I see are atleast partially naked pretty early in the massage and we both know why I'm there. I never cover up with the towel and instead lay on it (Figure it provides their table some protection from the result of the HE) , but maybe you could tug lightly on the guy's towel and ask if he would like to get more comfortable?[/QUOTE]In my experience, when getting the first part of the rub, and she works her way around my butt; I raise my ass slightly in the air to allow access to the boys. This lets them know that you want more, and if she "accidentally" brushes you. You tell her how much you like her method. This works for me everytime.

[QUOTE=MrsIndependent;1309469]So how am I to know who does or don't?[/QUOTE]Um. I always want one! Just saying.

[QUOTE=Boner889;1308888][b]I have always been untrusting of anyone I have seen in this hobby, but over the years I have become less guarded, not to the point that I give them my job and home info, [u]but then again how hard would it be for a provider to have someone follow you after you leave if they wanted to cause trouble[/u].[/b] Guard is back up 100. Thanks for the story and hopefully it is over for you![/QUOTE]This just emphasises my contention that [b]for you, the client, the anonymity & convenience of going to an incall has alot of other risks that you can avoid by having an outcall come to you at some discreet "notel" of your choice! [/b] I realize that some of you don't want the possible "paper trail" that having a motel registration in your name (verified by them copying your identification for their records even if you pay cash) may leave: [u]but these horror-stories just illustrate that going to her at her location can be far worse[/u]! It might be easier to find a way to avoid having the room in your name than it will be to avoid having her pimp, or whomever, get your vehicle-description_&_plate# or follow you home or to work when you leave! [b]Not to mention that your chances of walking into any ROBBERY or STING or TRAP are GREATLY reduced when YOU control the location! [/b]

[QUOTE=Boner889;1308888][b]I have always been untrusting of anyone I have seen in this hobby, but over the years I have become less guarded, not to the point that I give them my job and home info, [u]but then again how hard would it be for a provider to have someone follow you after you leave if they wanted to cause trouble[/u].[/b] Guard is back up 100. Thanks for the story and hopefully it is over for you![/QUOTE]This just emphasises my contention that [b]for you, the client, the anonymity & convenience of going to an incall has alot of other risks that you can avoid by having an outcall come to you at some discreet "notel" of your choice! [/b] I realize that some of you don't want the possible "paper trail" that having a motel registration in your name (verified by them copying your identification for their records even if you pay cash) may leave: [u]but these horror-stories just illustrate that going to her at her location can be far worse[/u]! It might be easier to find a way to avoid having the room in your name than it will be to avoid having her pimp, or whomever, get your vehicle-description_&_plate# or follow you home or to work when you leave! [b]Not to mention that your chances of walking into any [u]ROBBERY or STING or TRAP are GREATLY reduced when YOU control the location[/u]! [/b]

[QUOTE=Cloud Strife; 1309650]From what I gathered, she got an email from someone angry that she did not finish him. Hence why she is now asking how to know for sure, because she was spooked by the first guy reacting to her proceeding to give it.

If I am wrong, feel free to correct me E.[/QUOTE]Oops, I misread her post. My apologies. My blunder on how I ended my comments. I'm gathering, now, he gave no sort of indication and left upset. Actually, this has happened to me before and I didn't get what I had hoped for. Sometimes we are too subtle. LOL It's one thing to not get it and never have asked; it's another to ask and not receive it. My presumption here is a very cautious provider with a very quiet client. I cannot fault cautious providers and actually hard to blame quiet clients. Sometimes the communication just doesn't happen.

[QUOTE=MrsIndependent; 1310109]Thanks everyone for all the great advice!

Xoxoxo[/QUOTE]One additional thought: if a provider asks me, very generically,"Are there any areas in particular you would like me to stay away from," that gives me the opportunity to say, very enthusiastically,"No, feel free to go wherever you need to!" That makes it clear that she can touch any bits she wants to, with my active encouragement.

[QUOTE=MrsIndependent; 1310109]Thanks everyone for all the great advice!

Xoxoxo[/QUOTE]I would think some accidental (on purpose) teasing should answer your question. If your massaging him face down and work your hand down his arms to his palm and he gives you a gentle squeeze, that should give you a hint. Also, brushing up against his arms with your thighs or hips can work. If he pulls away thinking it really was an accident, probably not there for a he. If he remains still, you could brush up again and see if he responds by touching you. This of course depends on your comfort level of guys touching you.

[QUOTE=OneSwiss; 1309536]Had another dream about this young lady today. What can I say but that it was a pure pleasure and she is a real treasure. A lovely face with a very nice fugure and a here to please attitude. Needless to say that I am already looking forward to seeing her again.

Gentlemen she is a real jewel so please treat her right.[/QUOTE]She seems a bit shy at first, but the more you talk to her the more open she becomes. I think good communication is key for her to be anyones favorite. If you don't give her some direction she might seem a bit stand offish, but trust me, this is not the case. Great little body and good attitude. BJ could use some work, she has somewhat of a bad gag reflex. Pretty girl with a great body and a good attitude. Make me want to call her right now!

And if you are ok with guys touching you, then send me a PM. I would love to give you some hands-on training on what to look for in a HE situation.

[QUOTE=Joelouky;1310184]I would think some accidental (on purpose) teasing should answer your question. If your massaging him face down and work your hand down his arms to his palm and he gives you a gentle squeeze, that should give you a hint. Also, brushing up against his arms with your thighs or hips can work. If he pulls away thinking it really was an accident, probably not there for a he. If he remains still, you could brush up again and see if he responds by touching you. This of course depends on your comfort level of guys touching you.[/QUOTE]

Somebody from our forum told me of a girl name Erika in the main street area. I visited her, and had good time. I foolishly deleted your pm. To me that led me to her. I forgot your name, and wish to thank you and give report.

She was in the Hikes Point area. Been in biz for years. Just up and phone disconnected one day.

[QUOTE=JIGuy;1313704]She was in the Hikes Point area. Been in biz for years. Just up and phone disconnected one day.[/QUOTE]I saw her a couple of years ago, she did not look good and I think she deflated her boibs. I miss the Samantha from speed ave, alas that was the late 90s.

[QUOTE=Bigtlvr;1313997]I saw her a couple of years ago, she did not look good and I think she deflated her boibs. I miss the Samantha from speed ave, alas that was the late 90s.[/QUOTE]I agree. The thing that bothered me were her lips. She must have had them done recently, they were really swollen like a bad cosmetic job. She did a good job at a very reasonable price, but was never one of my favorites.

[QUOTE=Amigo;1314173]I agree. The thing that bothered me were her lips. She must have had them done recently, they were really swollen like a bad cosmetic job. She did a good job at a very reasonable price, but was never one of my favorites.[/QUOTE]Wasnt the best looking, but she did a really nice job at everything she did.

I need to pick up a LEO because she did advertise in there.

[QUOTE=JIGuy; 1314511]Wasnt the best looking, but she did a really nice job at everything she did.

I need to pick up a LEO because she did advertise in there.[/QUOTE]Last time I talked to her she was in Florida and was possibly thinking of relocating there permanently.

[QUOTE=JIGuy; 1314511]Wasnt the best looking, but she did a really nice job at everything she did.

I need to pick up a LEO because she did advertise in there.[/QUOTE]She still advertises in LEO. Different name and location. PM me for info.