Grand Rapids Pugilistic Society

I totally agree. I treat the providers nicely, and they respond well to me in return. The last thing I want to do is give advice or insight into a provider that they could treat like shit after somehow name dropping me. If someone has made rude, condescending, or otherwise childish remarks in the forums it makes me leary to give them any info if the PM me. There is the LEO worry side as well, but my biggest concern is someone taking info I gave them and then going and treating a provider like shit. That's why I will give basic reviews but I try not to give any info that might tie back to me if the provider heard it. There seems to be a lot of decent guys on here, but there are a few on here that come off as complete jerks on here and I wouldn't even be willing to set them up with one of my exs. I guess the moral of the story is if everyone conducted themselves a little more professionally here, it would probably go a long way to getting better responses.

[QUOTE=Monger01;5790230]I can't recall if you ever messaged me specifically but I can tell you these things from my own perspective:

Its not a "popular club". It is a trust thing though. Depending on what you are asking me and depending on what I see you have posted I decide if I feel safe sharing info. With you. Doesn't mean no reply means I hate you or even that I think you're LE. It likely is just I am not sure enough so I take the safe option of no reply. I'd bet many seniors here are the same.

Another thing I can say is sometimes the PMs I get ask a simple "what does she charge" question. Recently I responded to that in PM and suggested how to handle it with her vs. Her ad rates. Instead of that being the end it rolled into an ongoing convo that seemed like I was her agent or something. Like I need to spoon-feed exactly what when and how to state it. Then he replies saying he doesn't think stating all that in a text seems wise. Ok, what do you want from me? I'm not her pimp. Deal with it like we all deal with it! By this point I'm wondering of I'm being setup for pandering so I stopped replying.

See my point?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=VetteMan6981;5790627]I totally agree. I treat the providers nicely, and they respond well to me in return. The last thing I want to do is give advice or insight into a provider that they could treat like shit after somehow name dropping me. If someone has made rude, condescending, or otherwise childish remarks in the forums it makes me leary to give them any info if the PM me. There is the LEO worry side as well, but my biggest concern is someone taking info I gave them and then going and treating a provider like shit. That's why I will give basic reviews but I try not to give any info that might tie back to me if the provider heard it. There seems to be a lot of decent guys on here, but there are a few on here that come off as complete jerks on here and I wouldn't even be willing to set them up with one of my exs. I guess the moral of the story is if everyone conducted themselves a little more professionally here, it would probably go a long way to getting better responses.[/QUOTE]I see some of these points!

I have always been professional on this board never had an issue never spoken about a member in a negative way. Always reporting my findings yes I can be vague about things because one provider my give me different services than the next. Nothing is the same she may like one more than the other and give better treatment.

So it's all a trust thing as you guys say! That's bullshit IMHO there is alot of mongers that have given no reason for you not to trust them you just chose to ignore their PM's.

I have been asked many times to trade info on one of mine, with her permission I have then the ranking senior member takes my shit and gives me NOTHING! SO ENLIGHTEN me on that please.

Trade is a trade! More like ranking members taking advantage of someone else's kindness!

You all have a good day.

[QUOTE=YouCon45;5791178]I see some of these points!

I have always been professional on this board never had an issue never spoken about a member in a negative way. Always reporting my findings yes I can be vague about things because one provider my give me different services than the next. Nothing is the same she may like one more than the other and give better treatment.

So it's all a trust thing as you guys say! That's bullshit IMHO there is alot of mongers that have given no reason for you not to trust them you just chose to ignore their PM's.

I have been asked many times to trade info on one of mine, with her permission I have then the ranking senior member takes my shit and gives me NOTHING! SO ENLIGHTEN me on that please.

Trade is a trade! More like ranking members taking advantage of someone else's kindness!

You all have a good day.[/QUOTE]Is it 1 or 2 members you are having an issue with, and calling out the entire board for it? Use names and let those members explain themselves if they want, or maybe other members will chime in with their own points of view when you get more specific, like what happens in reviews of the ladies.

[QUOTE=YouCon45;5791178]I see some of these points!

I have always been professional on this board never had an issue never spoken about a member in a negative way. Always reporting my findings yes I can be vague about things because one provider my give me different services than the next. Nothing is the same she may like one more than the other and give better treatment.

So it's all a trust thing as you guys say! That's bullshit IMHO there is alot of mongers that have given no reason for you not to trust them you just chose to ignore their PM's.

I have been asked many times to trade info on one of mine, with her permission I have then the ranking senior member takes my shit and gives me NOTHING! SO ENLIGHTEN me on that please.

Trade is a trade! More like ranking members taking advantage of someone else's kindness!

You all have a good day.[/QUOTE]I believe I have answered every PM I've received. Obviously I could be wrong.

I also limit my responses for very new members, I believe that protects everyone here. I also limit my responses to non-contributors (ones who post drama) who rarely post a review of a provider. But that's probably more petty of me than I should be.

When sharing nuances over PM, we all run the risk of this ruining the experience for us later when the girl says "hey I only provide BBJ for you". So when member DumbBrick says "a senior member told me I can get BBJ from you," the sharing member is compromised. So, that's where a trust comes into play. Some vested senior members have used a password, but this method has been analyzed and fallen out of favor and use.

So, this is the forum where you can call out the ignoring members. I don't think I'm on that list, but if I am, I will try to fix it.

G2.

Sorry to hear that. Sadly, I don't have any UTRs to share. The only one I ever knew of and met had her info given to a bunch of guys so it wasn't a secret. As far as answering messages goes, I don't believe I have ever gotten any messages from you because there was only 1 time I didn't respond to a message and it was because that person was active picking a fight with multiple people in the forums at the time and I just didn't feel comfortable giving them info because of things they were saying in the forums. I know before I was a senior member I had a few people not answer me, so it was due to your member status at the time? Anyways, sorry you have been having bad experiences on here, that sucks.

[QUOTE=YouCon45;5791178]I see some of these points!

I have always been professional on this board never had an issue never spoken about a member in a negative way. Always reporting my findings yes I can be vague about things because one provider my give me different services than the next. Nothing is the same she may like one more than the other and give better treatment.

So it's all a trust thing as you guys say! That's bullshit IMHO there is alot of mongers that have given no reason for you not to trust them you just chose to ignore their PM's.

I have been asked many times to trade info on one of mine, with her permission I have then the ranking senior member takes my shit and gives me NOTHING! SO ENLIGHTEN me on that please.

Trade is a trade! More like ranking members taking advantage of someone else's kindness!

You all have a good day.[/QUOTE]

Hello guys,

FYI guys Amanda is currently unavailable. I had a conversation with her today she is at this time uncomfortable. She had a scare yesterday from a monger that was not respectable to her at all. This is directly from Amanda she was very scared and had to interrupt Hunter and her client for help. Hats off to Hunter she really stepped up and took care of the situation and made her feel safe. But unfortunately she is rattled. Thanks to this ass hat of a monger that can't respect boundaries we may have just lost a very nice young lady!

I don't know who the monger is otherwise I would have called him out!

Know this guys if anyone knows Hunter you know she will not put up with this shit from anyone respected senior or new guy!

I don't understand how someone can just think they can have whatever they want from whoever they want whenever they want!

These providers have boundaries as a man you respect these boundaries! If she says no that's the end of the discussion right there, that means no hands off!

If you treat her with respect, she will most likely treat you better!

These lady's are not here to just take whatever you think your entitled to!! They have boundaries its called respect!

To the monger that did this if I find you your going to have a really bad day FYI!

Be safe guys.

Youcon out!

[QUOTE=YouCon45;5816417]Hello guys,

FYI guys Amanda is currently unavailable. I had a conversation with her today she is at this time uncomfortable. She had a scare yesterday from a monger that was not respectable to her at all. This is directly from Amanda she was very scared and had to interrupt Hunter and her client for help. Hats off to Hunter she really stepped up and took care of the situation and made her feel safe. But unfortunately she is rattled. Thanks to this ass hat of a monger that can't respect boundaries we may have just lost a very nice young lady!

I don't know who the monger is otherwise I would have called him out!

Know this guys if anyone knows Hunter you know she will not put up with this shit from anyone respected senior or new guy!

I don't understand how someone can just think they can have whatever they want from whoever they want whenever they want!

These providers have boundaries as a man you respect these boundaries! If she says no that's the end of the discussion right there, that means no hands off!

If you treat her with respect, she will most likely treat you better!

These lady's are not here to just take whatever you think your entitled to!! They have boundaries its called respect!

To the monger that did this if I find you your going to have a really bad day FYI!

Be safe guys.

Youcon out![/QUOTE]Thanks Youcon for the heads up and info on this. I was really looking forward to scheduling an appointment with Amanda soon based on all the good reviews. Smh. Now an asshole who thinks money can buy anything has ruined it for everyone. Just cause you have money doesn't mean you can use it to manipulate someone to do anything you want them to do. Ugh, this really pisses me off. This is the world we live in. Assholes with money try to purchase whatever pleasure they want, disregarding a person's boundaries. I hope we find this person and call him out!

[QUOTE=TigerEye2525;5816462]Thanks Youcon for the heads up and info on this. I was really looking forward to scheduling an appointment with Amanda soon based on all the good reviews. Smh. Now an asshole who thinks money can buy anything has ruined it for everyone. Just cause you have money doesn't mean you can use it to manipulate someone to do anything you want them to do. Ugh, this really pisses me off. This is the world we live in. Assholes with money try to purchase whatever pleasure they want, disregarding a person's boundaries. I hope we find this person and call him out![/QUOTE]That guy should go see an escort if he wants unlimited access to the goodies.

Hopefully the girls figure out a better way to screen so this doesn't happen again.

[QUOTE=YouCon45;5816417]Hello guys,

FYI guys Amanda is currently unavailable. I had a conversation with her today she is at this time uncomfortable. She had a scare yesterday from a monger that was not respectable to her at all. This is directly from Amanda she was very scared and had to interrupt Hunter and her client for help. Hats off to Hunter she really stepped up and took care of the situation and made her feel safe. But unfortunately she is rattled. Thanks to this ass hat of a monger that can't respect boundaries we may have just lost a very nice young lady!

I don't know who the monger is otherwise I would have called him out!

Know this guys if anyone knows Hunter you know she will not put up with this shit from anyone respected senior or new guy!

I don't understand how someone can just think they can have whatever they want from whoever they want whenever they want!

These providers have boundaries as a man you respect these boundaries! If she says no that's the end of the discussion right there, that means no hands off!

If you treat her with respect, she will most likely treat you better!

These lady's are not here to just take whatever you think your entitled to!! They have boundaries its called respect!

To the monger that did this if I find you your going to have a really bad day FYI!

Be safe guys.

Youcon out![/QUOTE]I'm always a gentelman everytime. I understand and respect boundries. I usually ask just to touch a new provider let alone do more than that. I'm not a creep and never want to give off a creepy vibe. Its also not a goal to get as much as I can for as little as possible. This has always gotten me a lot more in the end. Just who I am. Mm686.

[QUOTE=YouCon45;5816417]To the monger that did this if I find you your going to have a really bad day FYI!

Be safe guys.

Youcon out![/QUOTE]Ok captain saveaho. Yet another reason to keep your personal information and even screen name to yourself! How is this guy going to have a bad day?

After a few messages from some concerned mongers I reached out to Hunter.

Hunter had seen this monger before at a previous location and had been verified by that location and she didn't have an issue with him before. This is understandable because Hunter is not a weak and timid. Amanda did the best she could to fix the situation but unfortunately it got beyond what she could handle and needed help.

Be safe.

Youcon.

[QUOTE=TigerEye2525;5816462]Thanks Youcon for the heads up and info on this. I was really looking forward to scheduling an appointment with Amanda soon based on all the good reviews. Smh. Now an asshole who thinks money can buy anything has ruined it for everyone. Just cause you have money doesn't mean you can use it to manipulate someone to do anything you want them to do. Ugh, this really pisses me off. This is the world we live in. Assholes with money try to purchase whatever pleasure they want, disregarding a person's boundaries. I hope we find this person and call him out![/QUOTE]Where exactly did YouCon say that the offending monger thought he could buy anything he wanted? Your insecurity leaps off the screen. I think it is far more likely that the monger went for something he wouldn't / couldn't pay for. The sooner you learn that all these providers have a price the better. The fact that you can't afford them only matters to you.

[QUOTE=WaltK;5817818]Where exactly did YouCon say that the offending monger thought he could buy anything he wanted? Your insecurity leaps off the screen. I think it is far more likely that the monger went for something he wouldn't / couldn't pay for. The sooner you learn that all these providers have a price the better. The fact that you can't afford them only matters to you.[/QUOTE]My insecurity leaps off the screen?! Bahaha you crack me up with your assumptions. Sounds like you're the guy who thinks everyone is for sale. Maybe on this side of the tracks they are. Cool. I'm glad you know my financial status and you know for a fact I can't afford the "menus" of these providers LOL. Oh if only you knew what I've had with a certain provider that everyone raves about.Wthout having to pay a dime. Well other than the door fee of course. And trust me, I'm not full of bs when I say that. Stay healthy my friend and throw that payyyyperrrr. :

[QUOTE=Blackfire;5817285]Ok captain saveaho. Yet another reason to keep your personal information and even screen name to yourself! How is this guy going to have a bad day?[/QUOTE]So with that saveahoe comment my assumption would be that you may think because of what a woman's profession is that she is not a human being!

Just the way it sounds to me.

I don't judge, I am respectful of everyone. What they choose to do for a living doesn't mean anything to me I won't treat someone less than because of their job title.

So why would she be any different?

I was raised to respect women not to beat, destroy, humiliat or disrespect them!

Be safe.

Youcon.

Hello all!

Been reading this chatter about Amanda and s client miscue and all I can say is welp.

It probably sounds like a hot mess, but since I was the client in the other room who had a nice relaxing session interrupted I figured I would give my 4 cents (sorry Gene, inflation is much higher now LOL).

I won't get into details, as we all should respect each other's privacy. But I will say this: you pay for the time you stay. Just like clients don't like GPS or upsell, you don't underpay a provider for time on the table.

A lot of you may think that's crazy, but I've heard of clients doing that from numerous masseuses. And while many of you don't like paying up front either, there are asshats who try and underpay. I don't get it, and while I've been in situations where my experience didn't go as I thought it would, you know the rules.

One of the most important ones? Time is money. How you spend that time is between a client and provider and none of my business unless that client is me.

I wasn't a complete outsider looking in, being buck ass naked standing in the doorway after the person left (always, always respect another client's anonymity, even the asshat ones), but I hope this doesn't negatively impact Amanda's stay in massage land. She seems like such a nice person, and since she didn't laugh at me standing buck ass naked in the doorway, I'm rooting for her to come back and give it another go.

All in all I think what happened tends to happen too frequently in this hobby, and it loses some good providers in the process. Hunter made quick work of the situation and it was a brief delay before I could go back to laying on the table and revisit some glorious time with the best masseuse in the hobby.

Stay safe out there. And I mean that for both clients and providers. The hobby doesn't exist without both parties and it seems like bad apples on both sides (in this case the client side) hurt it for others.