[QUOTE=Blade82;1437047]Well around that time on a fri is primetime for AMPs.[/QUOTE]Yes prime time begins after 10 pm. Girls come in a 9 pm.
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[QUOTE=Blade82;1437047]Well around that time on a fri is primetime for AMPs.[/QUOTE]Yes prime time begins after 10 pm. Girls come in a 9 pm.
[QUOTE=Oldie81;1436994]So I was around ward area on Friday night about 12 at night. I decided to park my car directly in front of the whoreplex while waiting for a friend. Jesus Christ, I seen so many dudes going up, one dude I kid you not had a cane. Could barely make it up the steps but could tell he made it to golden queen.[/QUOTE]As long as the middle leg still works it's not a problem going to an AMP.
[QUOTE=Niceguy808;1437059]I was surprised that Tasha would buy space on Eros, due to the very public takedown of VG. If she was taking incalls at her place in Waikiki, it would have made her more prudish neighbors afraid of more bad publicity for that building. With strange men coming in at all hours, alarm bells probably started going-off and somebody may have complained to the building owners.[/QUOTE]Boys, boys, boys. If you need the inside scoops lmk, no bullshit squealers, newbies or seniors who are using the forum as a "I get scoops!" for the escorts to like you. She will be back soon to Oahu. Tasha can sched, but Lei is indie as for now and handles her own scheduling. Lei is an ATF, GFE and other goodies are on menu at her discretion, her incall is not the same place "T" was using. She's a sweetie and a good friend as well. Bring me some 411 and recon if you want more info. Run my prior posts and I believe Kanattak and a few others reviewed her. Those who know me know I aint no pimp, lmao! She loves her endeavor so thats a plus!
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Reading through some posts, I remembered some guys who TOFTT and either got busted by LE or ripped-off and one member wrote about an ad that some kids posted as a prank. Sometimes, the ads for the "providers" involved got taken down, so there are no pics or phone numbers to pass on to the rest of us. I'd like to offer a suggestion in order to prevent valuable information from being lost to the rest of us:
If you're about to go see a provider that you'd never been with before, see first if she has been reviewed here first. If she hasn't, save the link for the ad, as well as all the pics, phone number and the text of the ad.
There are ways to save pics so that they won't be found on your hard drive. We can discuss them if anyone comments on this post.
If you TOFTT and something bad happens, you can share the info about it here and you'll have pics and the number to share here to help others avoid falling into the same trap.
Just an idea.
This bruddah got his # posted on BP apparently by a disgruntled provider. Man, sucks to be him. Here's the BP link:
[url]http://honolulu.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/warning-all-girls-22/3345733[/url]
Grave Diggah
[QUOTE=GraveDiggah; 1441612]This bruddah got his # posted on BP apparently by a disgruntled provider. Man, sucks to be him. Here's the BP link:
[url]http://honolulu.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/warning-all-girls-22/3345733[/url]
Grave Diggah[/QUOTE]Probably some kid pulling a prank. Hopefully an adult would be smart enough to use a burn phone.
I found this while surfing the web:
[url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/02/escort-says-wall-street-men-bad-in-bed_n_1472459.html[/url]
Think we got it bad here. LOL
[QUOTE=GraveDiggah; 1441612]This bruddah got his # posted on BP apparently by a disgruntled provider. Man, sucks to be him. Here's the BP link:
[url]http://honolulu.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/warning-all-girls-22/3345733[/url]
Grave Diggah[/QUOTE]The ad is already gone, someone must have warned the guy.
[QUOTE=GraveDiggah; 1441612]This bruddah got his # posted on BP apparently by a disgruntled provider. Man, sucks to be him. Here's the BP link:
[url]http://honolulu.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/warning-all-girls-22/3345733[/url]
Grave Diggah[/QUOTE]I've seen at least a couple of post about this house and basically saying the same thing about this guy, and beware of him, blah, blah, blah, even posting his address and phone number, maybe all by the same poster maybe not.
Fenny Italian / Chinese provider. Probably 5' 100 lbs Fake (B'S) soft on the tummy look like she lost a lot of weight recently. Darker then usaul Chinese probably because of the Italian.
BBBJ was ok. Can deep throat take a face fucking up to a point then the fangs come out. Laid her on her back and face fucked her then mish and blew.
Ok massage, no table shower, upsells if you want BBBJ and bbfscip, asks for money up front but will not rip you off. Works with Sunny.
If you want bbfscip stay with Monica no need pay 60 HF and 200 provider. If you want BBBJCIM stay with Monica cheaper plus probably better. Chinese girls besides Bebe and Momo need classes on how to fuck suck kiss etc. Nice sweet girl but when you paying want them to be skilled. I do not think any provider really shares a true GFE experience!
CK
They kind of suck now don't they? I guess I've been spoiled in Vegas+China. Didn't know rooms were so expensive here. I looked up some K-rates, and compared them to travelocity. And they were priced very similar. I think the only deal was possibly the 1/2 off or free parking. Looking to fly someone in for a week of fun.
Brothers,
Just got a computer again, while I may not be as active as I once was before, I will definitely stop by here more often. I see I have a LOT of PMs to read, re-read, and reply to; I'm sorry for not responding in a timely fashion. Haha! sheehs more than 6 months ago these PMs!
Also want to say thanks to those who supported me when dealing with some of my RL stuff. I still have some problems- and believe you me, its going to get cleaned up. I _will_ respond to each and every one of my PMs, thanks all for your support and wondering where the heck I been. I'm ok, in decent health, could be better (can't we all say that? Heh) but not much mula for mongering like before. Times are hard.
Have a great hump day braddahs,
Aloha,
H
[QUOTE=Hinode; 1454239]Brothers,
Just got a computer again, while I may not be as active as I once was before, I will definitely stop by here more often. I see I have a LOT of PMs to read, re-read, and reply to; I'm sorry for not responding in a timely fashion. Haha! Sheehs more than 6 months ago these PMs!
Also want to say thanks to those who supported me when dealing with some of my RL stuff. I still have some problems- and believe you me, its going to get cleaned up. I _will_ respond to each and every one of my PMs, thanks all for your support and wondering where the heck I been. I'm ok, in decent health, could be better (can't we all say that? Heh) but not much mula for mongering like before. Times are hard.
Have a great hump day braddahs,
Aloha,
H[/QUOTE]Glad you still kicking with us Hinode. Yes we was wondering what happen with you. Like you, a lot of us are going through hard times.
[QUOTE=Pok Gai;1453087]They kind of suck now don't they? I guess I've been spoiled in Vegas+China. Didn't know rooms were so expensive here. I looked up some K-rates, and compared them to travelocity. And they were priced very similar. I think the only deal was possibly the 1/2 off or free parking. Looking to fly someone in for a week of fun.[/QUOTE]The best deals I find these days are on the computer, if you book a room online there's a pretty good price break then if you were to just walk in or reserve by phone, Aqua hotels have some deals online, check it out.
[QUOTE=Lowlys One;1454296]The best deals I find these days are on the computer, if you book a room online there's a pretty good price break then if you were to just walk in or reserve by phone, Aqua hotels have some deals online, check it out.[/QUOTE]Thanks Lowly, I'll need to check it out again more carefully. I just googled Kamaaina, and it brought up a ton of the local chains. When I went to compare it to travelocity. Seemed like I was only saving $5-10. I prob would use free or 1/2 off parking a lot though. But hotwire almost seems like a better deal.
[QUOTE=Pok Gai;1455785]Thanks Lowly, I'll need to check it out again more carefully. I just googled Kamaaina, and it brought up a ton of the local chains. When I went to compare it to travelocity. Seemed like I was only saving $5-10. I prob would use free or 1/2 off parking a lot though. But hotwire almost seems like a better deal.[/QUOTE]Yeah I tell you this, a hotel offering free parking or even half off parking may seem like chicken feed, but in actuality if you had to pay for guest parking with the price for hotel guest parking being about 20-25 bucks a day on average and you can go around and check but the last time I looked that was the norm. That means if a room cost 100 you'd still have to purchase parking that means an extra 20-25 a night, that will add up fast, and if you think hotel parking for guest is expensive try park your car in one of those paid public parking in Waikiki, cost you more then that with in / out privledges. So my advice is to look at the cost for everything parking included cause that becomes a good discount if they offering you free parking.
Hello all.
Was sitting with my wife, checking out my facebook page and up pops a 'People you may know and want to friend' link to friend request Nikki sweet! Wife didn't notice and I quickly paged away, but WTF? I've never emailed her, only called using my cell phone and deleted from the history. Anybody else have anything like this happen. Racking my brain to figure out how facebook mined the connection.
[QUOTE=Aloha2; 1458062]Hello all.
Was sitting with my wife, checking out my facebook page and up pops a 'People you may know and want to friend' link to friend request Nikki sweet! Wife didn't notice and I quickly paged away, but WTF? I've never emailed her, only called using my cell phone and deleted from the history. Anybody else have anything like this happen. Racking my brain to figure out how facebook mined the connection.[/QUOTE]Phone number FB is now asking users to input there phone number, as part of the profile. See if FB has search for friend using phone number.
[QUOTE=Member #1971;1458351]My guess is you have the Facebook app on your phone and they jacked your information. Is she in your contacts?[/QUOTE]Not in my contacts, can't find anything on my phone that leads back to her. Very strange.
[QUOTE=Aloha2; 1458062]Hello all.
Was sitting with my wife, checking out my facebook page and up pops a 'People you may know and want to friend' link to friend request Nikki sweet! Wife didn't notice and I quickly paged away, but WTF? I've never emailed her, only called using my cell phone and deleted from the history. Anybody else have anything like this happen. Racking my brain to figure out how facebook mined the connection.[/QUOTE]Can someone search for me using my phone number?
If you've listed your phone number in your About Me section, people can find you by searching for it. They can only find you if they search for you using t.
If you've listed your phone number in your About Me section, people can find you by searching for it. They can only find you if they search for you using the whole ten digit number. To view or change who can search for you using your phone number:
1. Go to your privacy settings.
2. Click Edit Settings next to How You Connect.
3. Using the drop down menu, choose Everyone, Friends of Friends or Friends.
If you don't want anyone to be able to find you using your phone number, you can remove your phone number from Facebook by deleting the number (and clicking Save) in your About Me section.
Note: Your phone number must be verified to be searchable on Facebook.
[QUOTE=Vernon Howell; 1458455]Can someone search for me using my phone number?
If you've listed your phone number in your About Me section, people can find you by searching for it. They can only find you if they search for you using t.
If you've listed your phone number in your About Me section, people can find you by searching for it. They can only find you if they search for you using the whole ten digit number. To view or change who can search for you using your phone number:
1. Go to your privacy settings.
2. Click Edit Settings next to How You Connect.
3. Using the drop down menu, choose Everyone, Friends of Friends or Friends.
If you don't want anyone to be able to find you using your phone number, you can remove your phone number from Facebook by deleting the number (and clicking Save) in your About Me section.
Note: Your phone number must be verified to be searchable on Facebook.[/QUOTE]I don't request anyone on that site and nor do I search people but I do kno that if someone you are friends with and I accepted them when requested that would trigger the people you may know. Doesn't mean you know them. If you'd like, for the more safety of it, I can delete my # and see if that helps. Guys, please let me kno of things like this so I can make sure you're identity isn't put out there. Or I also recommend a fb account that wife doesn't kno about. Many girls like me do use fb. Guys usually make an alternate account. Be careful tho.
Much love, xoxo, nik
[QUOTE=Erotic808; 1458772]I don't request anyone on that site and nor do I search people but I do kno that if someone you are friends with and I accepted them when requested that would trigger the people you may know. Doesn't mean you know them. If you'd like, for the more safety of it, I can delete my # and see if that helps. Guys, please let me kno of things like this so I can make sure you're identity isn't put out there. Or I also recommend a fb account that wife doesn't kno about. Many girls like me do use fb. Guys usually make an alternate account. Be careful tho.
Much love, xoxo, nik[/QUOTE]Also, fb will suggest people you may know based on your location (Honolulu, HI)
But more a small question of conspiracy I guess.
Its pretty simple. If prostitution and AMPs are "kept open" by locales and their police force knowing full well that these places help to keep riffraff off the street (not calling anyone here riffraff) and help to alleviate rape and other lewd crimes, then why the fuck do they bust johns from time to time in stings? Its one of the foggiest hypocrisies I can think of because I think they know all of this.
[QUOTE=Slide Hammer; 1459560]But more a small question of conspiracy I guess.
Its pretty simple. If prostitution and AMPs are "kept open" by locales and their police force knowing full well that these places help to keep riffraff off the street (not calling anyone here riffraff) and help to alleviate rape and other lewd crimes, then why the fuck do they bust johns from time to time in stings? Its one of the foggiest hypocrisies I can think of because I think they know all of this.[/QUOTE]I don't know that keeping AMP's open helps alleviates lewd crime and rape, I read that rape is a control and power issue, but anyway I get your point, same with those gambling parlours they are kept open as well, I'm not sure if that area where Orchids, the 7-11 store on Atkinson, extending past keeaumoku street area is still designated a weed and seed area, but it is believed by many that those places the gambling rooms and massage parlours are kept open so they (le) can have a place where the criminal elements frequents so if the need arises le knows exactly where to go and who to talk to, so they can pick somene up on a warrants. Just a side note, back when world war II was gathering steam, we had over a million of our soldiers come through the islands on their way to or from the midway island and the Pacific theather, the military saw a need for a place where these young men (most of them just out of high school) could go and just cut loose with booze and hookers as many of these young men realized that the chances of not returning home was very real. Their solution? Take control of the downtown brothels, literally becoming the brothels security and actually standing at the door of these brothels, also setting the going rate for a session at one of the many brothels that littered the. Downtown / chinatown area and also setting the rules for the brothels providers as to where they were allowed to go, and where they were forbidden to go and who they could be seen with out I public, long story short, public sentiment was against the military and feeling ran deep against these malahinis, as they would often get drunk as hell and rape and harass the local women, hence the military took control of the brothels for one, a place for its soldiers to blow steam, and two, to keep an eye out for the soldier so they had limited interaction with the locals, in other words to keep their guy in an area where they knew the local didn't frequent, but the fear of the public finding out that the government was involved with these brothels compelled them to make a deal with the local police more specifically the department of Vice and Virtue, who later we just called the vice squad and now its called the crime reduction unit or C. R. U, so from federal government run to state run brothels many of the vice guys who were in charge of running the brothels are now retired cops, who had last known control of the illegal prostitution on this island. I know this and a lot more to this story because I saw this on the discovery channel. Eerily amazing, should help explain a lot till this day, retired doesn't mean done in this case, you can go to the discovery channels website and see this specific episode, think you got to do a search on their site for redlights district or honlulu's chinatown, real eye opening or sure.
[QUOTE=Lowlys One;1459599]I don't know that keeping AMP's open helps alleviates lewd crime and rape, I read that rape is a control and power issue, but anyway I get your point, same with those gambling parlours they are kept open as well, I'm not sure if that area where Orchids, the 7-11 store on Atkinson, extending past keeaumoku street area is still designated a weed and seed area, but it is believed by many that those places the gambling rooms and massage parlours are kept open so they (le) can have a place where the criminal elements frequents so if the need arises le knows exactly where to go and who to talk to, so they can pick somene up on a warrants. Just a side note, back when world war II was gathering steam, we had over a million of our soldiers come through the islands on their way to or from the midway island and the Pacific theather, the military saw a need for a place where these young men (most of them just out of high school) could go and just cut loose with booze and hookers as many of these young men realized that the chances of not returning home was very real. Their solution? Take control of the downtown brothels, literally becoming the brothels security and actually standing at the door of these brothels, also setting the going rate for a session at one of the many brothels that littered the. Downtown / chinatown area and also setting the rules for the brothels providers as to where they were allowed to go, and where they were forbidden to go and who they could be seen with out I public, long story short, public sentiment was against the military and feeling ran deep against these malahinis, as they would often get drunk as hell and rape and harass the local women, hence the military took control of the brothels for one, a place for its soldiers to blow steam, and two, to keep an eye out for the soldier so they had limited interaction with the locals, in other words to keep their guy in an area where they knew the local didn't frequent, but the fear of the public finding out that the government was involved with these brothels compelled them to make a deal with the local police more specifically the department of Vice and Virtue, who later we just called the vice squad and now its called the crime reduction unit or C. R. U, so from federal government run to state run brothels many of the vice guys who were in charge of running the brothels are now retired cops, who had last known control of the illegal prostitution on this island. I know this and a lot more to this story because I saw this on the discovery channel. Eerily amazing, should help explain a lot till this day, retired doesn't mean done in this case, you can go to the discovery channels website and see this specific episode, think you got to do a search on their site for redlights district or honlulu's chinatown, real eye opening or sure.[/QUOTE]Don't have time to reply just yet but I just want to say that was very interesting and informative.
I live right by the Ward complex and its baffling to me. Anyways thanks man.
[QUOTE=Slide Hammer; 1460056]Don't have time to reply just yet but I just want to say that was very interesting and informative.
I live right by the Ward complex and its baffling to me. Anyways thanks man.[/QUOTE]I think you can just Google red light district / Chinatown Honolulu or something of that nature and you can readup on how it was. One of the more interesting figures of those days was this provider named Jean O'hara who came here for the work they had in the brothel from Chicago. She became famous or infamous as a result of the government setting the going rate for the services they provide, I forgot what it was, I think it was. 3 dollars a trick, what she did as a result of the military setting the going rate was she created a system called the bull pen system where one provider woulds work 3 rooms, the first room there was a john getting undress, the second room there was the john and the provider, getting it on, The third room there was a jonhn getting dressed, this allowed the gals to become more efficieint with their time and thus maximize their earnings.
[QUOTE=Lowlys One;1460134]I think you can just Google red light district / Chinatown Honolulu or something of that nature and you can readup on how it was. One of the more interesting figures of those days was this provider named Jean O'hara who came here for the work they had in the brothel from Chicago. She became famous or infamous as a result of the government setting the going rate for the services they provide, I forgot what it was, I think it was. 3 dollars a trick, what she did as a result of the military setting the going rate was she created a system called the bull pen system where one provider woulds work 3 rooms, the first room there was a john getting undress, the second room there was the john and the provider, getting it on, The third room there was a jonhn getting dressed, this allowed the gals to become more efficieint with their time and thus maximize their earnings.[/QUOTE]I've never been busted before and don't plan to. The thought is mortifying to me. Thats part of the reason I avoid the ward complex altogether with the history of busts. But I guess that happens throughout the city.
But based on this history, don't you think a john could get creative and somehow use this as a defense somehow? I mean I understand this was way back in the day and for a 'purpose' of soldier catharsis but its whacky and hypocritical. For them to bust people now. Something doesn't seem right. Probably because laws were passed after the fact I'm guessing but Ill google it.
[QUOTE=Slide Hammer; 1460200]I've never been busted before and don't plan to. The thought is mortifying to me. Thats part of the reason I avoid the ward complex altogether with the history of busts. But I guess that happens throughout the city.
But based on this history, don't you think a john could get creative and somehow use this as a defense somehow? I mean I understand this was way back in the day and for a 'purpose' of soldier catharsis but its whacky and hypocritical. For them to bust people now. Something doesn't seem right. Probably because laws were passed after the fact I'm guessing but Ill google it.[/QUOTE]Well growing up I thought my parents were perfect, of course I found out this was far from the truth, it would do me no good to use their imperfection as an excuse for my shortcomings or flaws, you could say it made sense in some way, something like "oh well my parents never thought me never to show up at someones house empty handed" as I showed up at someones house empty handed, makes sense that if no one told you, how could you know? But with that being said, it still does you no good as you still showed up at someones house empty handed, doesn't change the bottom line, you'll still get the funny looks, still be thought of as showing little class ect, ect. Same thing applies with regards to this islands history with prostitution, yeah the military and police engaged in highly illegal activities but one can't use this and say well you guys did this yesterday so you can't or shouldn't even bother me today, while I engage in this. Were even. Nope, sounds right and fair and I can see the train of thought, but what was done in the past entitles one to absolutely nothing in the present.
[QUOTE=Slide Hammer; 1460200]I've never been busted before and don't plan to. The thought is mortifying to me. Thats part of the reason I avoid the ward complex altogether with the history of busts. But I guess that happens throughout the city.
But based on this history, don't you think a john could get creative and somehow use this as a defense somehow? I mean I understand this was way back in the day and for a 'purpose' of soldier catharsis but its whacky and hypocritical. For them to bust people now. Something doesn't seem right. Probably because laws were passed after the fact I'm guessing but Ill google it.[/QUOTE]Using that logic I should be able to beat my wife, and keep slaves; both were legal at one time.
[QUOTE=Bobb Sledd;1460273]Using that logic I should be able to beat my wife, and keep slaves; both were legal at one time.[/QUOTE]Well I indicated at the end there that laws have probably changed but I still think the pigs are getting their cake and eating it too.
[QUOTE=Slide Hammer;1460284]Well I indicated at the end there that laws have probably changed but I still think the pigs are getting their cake and eating it too.[/QUOTE]I agree with you on that! Sometimes there doesn't seem to be any rhythm or reason in the laws that are enacted! Mahalo!
[QUOTE=Slide Hammer; 1459560]But more a small question of conspiracy I guess.
Its pretty simple. If prostitution and AMPs are "kept open" by locales and their police force knowing full well that these places help to keep riffraff off the street (not calling anyone here riffraff) and help to alleviate rape and other lewd crimes, then why the fuck do they bust johns from time to time in stings? Its one of the foggiest hypocrisies I can think of because I think they know all of this.[/QUOTE]I have to agree with the other monger that mentioned rape as being a power / control issue. I don't think AMPs do much to alleviate this or other sex crimes. Those that demonstrate such behavior probably don't see sex in the same light as we do. They may not even gain any pleasure from it. I'll stop the pseudo-psycho babble as I'm no expert, but I will say this much. I think local politicians and law enforcement would much rather have prostitution done behind closed doors (like in an AMP) rather than out on the street, however they would be foolish to admit it. That's why you read / hear of more stings on street prostitution versus busts on AMPs. Much more visible and effective in convincing the conservative / religious that affirmative action is being taken. A lot more manpower involved in your typical SW sting rather than a few officers an maybe an INS agent busting an AMP. This being an election year I wouldn't be surprised to see more LE activity than normal. Just my two lincolns on the subject.
So, like I said before, if you have NOT shared any useful Intel. To the forum, and PM me for some, I will NOT share any with you. It's a give and take here. Even if you are NOT a senior member, if you HAVE contributed, good, useful intel, I have NO problems sharing with you! I'm glad to see someone understands that concept here!
On another note, you should NEVER tell the provider about this forum! It's kinda defeats the purpose don't ya think. What's the #1 rule of Fight Club again.
Stay safe, and have a good weekend! P. K.
[QUOTE=Sukebegai;1460380]I have to agree with the other monger that mentioned rape as being a power / control issue. I don't think AMPs do much to alleviate this or other sex crimes. Those that demonstrate such behavior probably don't see sex in the same light as we do. They may not even gain any pleasure from it. I'll stop the pseudo-psycho babble as I'm no expert, but I will say this much. I think local politicians and law enforcement would much rather have prostitution done behind closed doors (like in an AMP) rather than out on the street, however they would be foolish to admit it. That's why you read / hear of more stings on street prostitution versus busts on AMPs. Much more visible and effective in convincing the conservative / religious that affirmative action is being taken. A lot more manpower involved in your typical SW sting rather than a few officers an maybe an INS agent busting an AMP. This being an election year I wouldn't be surprised to see more LE activity than normal. Just my two lincolns on the subject.[/QUOTE]Yeah this makes sense now that I think about it. Iiiii wrongly confused AMPs with porn, and there is a known association between porn actually alleviating lewd acts in society. In addition to what you wrote, I also forgot the barrier of cash in all of this. Thanks
[QUOTE=Sukebegai;1460380]I have to agree with the other monger that mentioned rape as being a power / control issue. I don't think AMPs do much to alleviate this or other sex crimes. Those that demonstrate such behavior probably don't see sex in the same light as we do. They may not even gain any pleasure from it. I'll stop the pseudo-psycho babble as I'm no expert, but I will say this much. I think local politicians and law enforcement would much rather have prostitution done behind closed doors (like in an AMP) rather than out on the street, however they would be foolish to admit it. That's why you read / hear of more stings on street prostitution versus busts on AMPs. Much more visible and effective in convincing the conservative / religious that affirmative action is being taken. A lot more manpower involved in your typical SW sting rather than a few officers an maybe an INS agent busting an AMP. This being an election year I wouldn't be surprised to see more LE activity than normal. Just my two lincolns on the subject.[/QUOTE]The real instigators that LE and politicians try to appease are not conserviative religious prudes, but militant feminists. Religious prudes may be donars and grunts but the real hard core activists, organizers and leaders are militant feminists.
[QUOTE=Slide Hammer;1460284]Well I indicated at the end there that laws have probably changed but I still think the pigs are getting their cake and eating it too.[/QUOTE]No way Vice runs prostitution now if it did in decades past, but AMPs contribute money to police funds if anyone has ever seen the decals and labels plastered all over the doors. Why are the brothels allowed to operate, despite occassional raids? Without any inside knowledge of the workings of LE and city politics, I can only hazard some guesses. (1) It is better for prostitution to be indoors than outdoors, not just from a community standard of unsightly streetwalkers and propositioning Johns and pimps, but from cleanliness and safety standards. Even scholarly research covering prostitution in sociology has been advancing the thesis that indoor prostitution should be legalized for these reasons. Of course prohibition and abolition activists from both the left and the right would never accept any reasonable arguments that go against their fundamental worldviews. (2) HPD and politicians realize the risk of coercion and human trafficking is low at the local AMPs for a variety of reasons that may not be so applicable in other parts of the world and on mainland cities. Despite our gripes, everything done at the well known AMPs is professional from the little details to the big picture. However the business model is perfected from experience in Asia I don't know, but it works very well here in a city that is both American and Asian. And I do not think it is an accident that Koreans have dominated the business here in Honolulu. Broken English notwithstanding, none of the players is stupid. They come from a Confucian educational system that is very rigorous and demanding. They are also from an in-your-face and confrontational culture. Talking to many of the girls, I have a general idea of how they have come into the business, as many mongers here also know. They come here of their own accord to make the big bucks, and I have yet to meet an Asian version of the American stereotype of a victimized prostitute, the run away exploited by pimp daddy. Which makes the one or two cases of coercion with ties to the AMPs all the more striking. The cases involve local girls or mainland girls who really come from a different background and culture, western feminists at heart regardless of how pathetic their personal stories are. The business owners should have done their due diligence and vetting and should have never allowed a girl under pimp coercion to ever set foot and work inside an AMP. It seems to me that even if there is organized crime involved behind the scenes of the AMPs everyone knows that coercion would not work. And since the girls can come and go as they please and keep all their money that they make, less lodging and food expenses, then both the girls and the business owners make out, and it becomes a virtuous cycle. And this just galls the prohibition activists to no end. (3) Reasonable people including HPD and politicians realize that unmolested AMPs do provide an outlet that is beneficial to the society. It may not decrease rape but it may alleviate other sexually related issues and troubles short of rape. Harrassment, unwanted advances, coveting thy neighbor's wife, etc. Again, people with uncompromising ideologies or moral crusaders would never accept that.
[QUOTE=Slide Hammer;1460781]Yeah this makes sense now that I think about it. Iiiii wrongly confused AMPs with porn, and there is a known association between porn actually alleviating lewd acts in society. In addition to what you wrote, I also forgot the barrier of cash in all of this. Thanks[/QUOTE]Porn is legal because the woman have to pay taxes on what they make. In prostitution no taxes paid
[QUOTE=Oldie81;1461243]Porn is legal because the woman have to pay taxes on what they make. In prostitution no taxes paid[/QUOTE]Depends on which state you're talking about. Until the late '80s it was illegal to shoot XXX in L. A, despite the fact that it was the porn capitol of the world as much as it was then as it is now. LAPD vice would haul in producers for pandering and performers for hooking.
Porn is legal to produce and shoot in California because a producer took the state to court on the grounds it was violating his free speech rights when he was busted for making a movie (California v. Freeman). The California Supreme Court sided with the producer. (The New Hampshire Supreme Court made a similar decision in 2008.)
Right now you're wondering if you can get around the law by videotaping all your "encounters" with "escorts," because you're shooting a movie. Good luck with that. Unless you're willing to fight the case all the way up the Hawaii Supreme Court and maybe have them side with you (there's no guarantees, especially when it comes to porn) , the HPD will probably just laugh in your face and confiscate your camera (or smartphone, if you're using that to shoot video) for evidence.
That's not just in Hawaii. If you make a movie in any state except California and New Hampshire, and you're busted you will be arrested and tried for pandering and or / prostitution. Yes, that applies to all that Bang Bus stuff you've watched and the odd movie made in Nevada (there's cases where amateurs have been busted for making a movie).
Somebody put the updated Monger Map up. I think with all the stings etc that have been occurring we should have one up!