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Can anyone confirm that this is where P10 and Kristin were staying? Street and block are in the article.
[QUOTE=White300;4345602][URL]https://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/2019/07/wayland-police-raid-house-over-suspected-sex-trafficking-drug-crimes.html[/URL][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Wolverines;4345676]Can anyone confirm that this is where P10 and Kristin were staying? Street and block are in the article.[/QUOTE]The address isn't given. But they where on Maple.
Should we dump our hobby phones?
[QUOTE=Wolverines;4345676]Can anyone confirm that this is where P10 and Kristin were staying? Street and block are in the article.[/QUOTE]I contacted 2 girls that use to live in the same house asking for verification. I'm waiting for their reply.
A monger who is not choosing to be identified at this time confirmed that the P10, Kristin, GT Nikki house is on Maple but not sure of the exact address.
I'm glad I never visited that house.
I actually warned the owner of the house about the same time I warned one of our massage girls. A very informed reliable source told me they were being surveilled.
The massage girls listened and moved. The owner of the Wayland house told me that was BS and he would know if he was being watched.
I was just trying to help avoid this for everyone.
[QUOTE=WayneJWorld;4341668]Yeah but if all you see is the back of the head? .[/QUOTE]That was funny WJW. Thanks for the laugh, I'm still laughing.
What you say is true. The back of their heads all look the same. But I'm still not going to see the Glory Hole Guy
I like to grab a tit or two while I'm getting my dick sucked
Some people just have to learn the hard way. I wonder if the owner shared the surveillance info with the girls.
Police "seized electronic devices" which means they probably have their phones. And that means they might have access to their USAsexguide accounts, Facebook accounts, email, messaging apps, etc. Be safe and avoid all contact with them for now.
[QUOTE=Benz1;4345690]I contacted 2 girls that use to live in the same house asking for verification. I'm waiting for their reply.
A monger who is not choosing to be identified at this time confirmed that the P10, Kristin, GT Nikki house is on Maple but not sure of the exact address.
I'm glad I never visited that house.
I actually warned the owner of the house about the same time I warned one of our massage girls. A very informed reliable source told me they were being surveilled.
The massage girls listened and moved. The owner of the Wayland house told me that was BS and he would know if he was being watched.
I was just trying to help avoid this for everyone.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Wolverines;4345794]Some people just have to learn the hard way. I wonder if the owner shared the surveillance info with the girls.
Police "seized electronic devices" which means they probably have their phones. And that means they might have access to their USAsexguide accounts, Facebook accounts, email, messaging apps, etc. Be safe and avoid all contact with them for now.[/QUOTE]Owner of the Wayland house is a trusted senior member and could easily be working with LE.
FBI are involved I'm sure they are all facing a lot of charges.
The senior member kept asking me (repeatedly) for my real face book info about a year ago. He sent me his real Facebook info but I did not respond.
This is a good example of why we should never trust anyone in this hobby with our real name.
[QUOTE=Benz1;4345690]I contacted 2 girls that use to live in the same house asking for verification. I'm waiting for their reply.
A monger who is not choosing to be identified at this time confirmed that the P10, Kristin, GT Nikki house is on Maple but not sure of the exact address.
I'm glad I never visited that house.
I actually warned the owner of the house about the same time I warned one of our massage girls. A very informed reliable source told me they were being surveilled.
The massage girls listened and moved. The owner of the Wayland house told me that was BS and he would know if he was being watched.
I was just trying to help avoid this for everyone.[/QUOTE]I think that we all knew that this was going to happen. One reason I avoided them, even though I thought about finally seeing GT Nikki. But she doesn't do outcalls to my place.
[QUOTE=Misunderstood;4345914]I think that we all knew that this was going to happen. One reason I avoided them, even though I thought about finally seeing GT Nikki. But she doesn't do outcalls to my place.[/QUOTE]I've heard LE was using the same tactics they used in the Florida MP stings. Watching the house until a client leaves then pull them over way down the road so it wouldn't be noticed by the residents of The Wayland House. If LE knows about drug activity, they were probably looking for reasons to search the vehicles too. That would make it easier to get information from the monger and make him a an informant.
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[blue]Do you mean the tactics that have resulted in most of those cases getting kicked due to irregularities?
There have always been busts, there will always be busts. Don't talk to the cops and stay anonymous here.
ABC's of mongering in Sex Prison.
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Very sorry to be feeding the trolls. I do know better and have refrained in the past. Won't happen again.
[QUOTE=Blackfire;4346462]I would like to publically apologize to Benz and Admin for the wording in my post.[/QUOTE]No issue here Blackfire. I'm never offended by comments. I do what I do because I want to help everyone be safe on this board. We are a team. If anyone has comments Fire away. That's what I say. Please put them on the right thread.
In my opinion there is too many posts on the wrong thread. Did you know there is a thread in the blog section called Anyone Seen This Girl? When we ask that question we should use that Thread or Blog whatever we call it. That's just my opinion, not that anyone cares.
Well it's been awhile since I've posted and been even longer since I've been active in the lifestyle. Just wanted to thank you for helping me out and making this experience way better. Not sure if I ever will be active again, my health has been pretty bad. But I just wanted to let you know I appreciate all you' done. Thanks, Irishguy77.
[QUOTE=IrishGuy77;4350436]Well it's been awhile since I've posted and been even longer since I've been active in the lifestyle. Just wanted to thank you for helping me out and making this experience way better. Not sure if I ever will be active again, my health has been pretty bad. But I just wanted to let you know I appreciate all you' done. Thanks, Irishguy77.[/QUOTE]Get well soon, we've missed you.
So I float around from website to website on occasion I can pick up on another lead to a working girl. Last week I came across a younger lady 19 or 20 saying she was working out of the lazy T on Plainfield wasn't even a hour later I hit her up on another number seeing if I could get a better price. She was then working out of the Alpine 3 mile hotel. 🤔129300;129300; spidey sense told me LEO was involved some how.
I have not seen anymore posts from this girl I will grab a picture and post If I see her ad again.
[QUOTE=Grizzly27;4353285]So I float around from website to website on occasion I can pick up on another lead to a working girl. Last week I came across a younger lady 19 or 20 saying she was working out of the lazy T on Plainfield wasn't even a hour later I hit her up on another number seeing if I could get a better price. She was then working out of the Alpine 3 mile hotel. spidey sense told me LEO was involved some how.
I have not seen anymore posts from this girl I will grab a picture and post If I see her ad again.[/QUOTE]That is fucking weird, I would stay away.
Who is going to tell her she isn't in Vegas.
[QUOTE=Wolverines;4354537]Who is going to tell her she isn't in Vegas.[/QUOTE]I had my chuckle when I seen her post the other day.
[QUOTE=Grizzly27;4354809]I had my chuckle when I seen her post the other day.[/QUOTE]Sorry but I don't donate that much in Vegas for tighter better looking providers.
[QUOTE=Wolverines;4354537]Who is going to tell her she isn't in Vegas.[/QUOTE]I will be in Vegas next week and will see at least 3, maybe 4 providers for a total $600.00. All top notch women.
She will be a "low volume provider" whether she wants to be or not.
Benz, I believe you've mentioned that your hobby phone is a smart TracFone. I also think you've posted hobby phone safety tips in the past (tried searching, can't find). What tips do you have for staying safe and undetectable with a smart TracFone? Basically, if LEO were to see my number in a provider's list, how can I be sure they can't trace it to me?
[QUOTE=LandRover20;4356491]Benz, I believe you've mentioned that your hobby phone is a smart TracFone. I also think you've posted hobby phone safety tips in the past (tried searching, can't find). What tips do you have for staying safe and undetectable with a smart TracFone? Basically, if LEO were to see my number in a provider's list, how can I be sure they can't trace it to me?[/QUOTE]Always use cash to purchase the phone and all services. While registering your hobby phone it will ask for your name. Don't give it. It will prompt you a few more times and then the registration moves on to the next feild. You can give it your hobby name. The most recent phone I purchased, I registered it with my fake Facebook name. Gives a realistic look to my phone number when texting a Facebook Girl Friend.
If you are using a smart Trac phone the best place to buy your minutes for texting is speedway. They have a card on a rack with 9 options bring the card to the clerk and only pay 5 bucks for 1 k texts. For updating your time purchase the 19 dollar card for 3 months.
I bought my phone at Dollar general moved my sanDisc from my old phone. Plenty of room for everything and I love it. Camera's pics look good too.
They can't trace a phone purchased with cash and all minutes paid with cash too. Don't register your real name.
FYI. If you turn the phone off, when you turn it on data and location is activated and will drain all data while driving. Whenever you turn the phone on check to make sure data and location are off.
I have a wife that occasionally gets curious of my free time. The hobby phone allows me to leave my real phone unattended and unlocked for her to investigate. I even for get my wallet on the kitchen table occasionally and I've noticed things are moved. Then she's real comfortable that I'm not playing around. Make sure you have a safe place to hide the hobby phone and a good excuse if she finds it.
Hope this helps.
Using a smart phone with the Burner app would accomplish the same thing, no?
Could one of my fellow mongers that has seen her or will in the future please ask her to tone down the posts on STG. She has 4 of 5 and 10 of 11 on there today. It makes it hard to look over the talent, and frankly it is one of the reasons I won't see her. Two in a row is one thing but what she does is irrational.
Thanks in advance and for allowing me to vent.
[QUOTE=Benz1;4356509]Always use cash to purchase the phone and all services. While registering your hobby phone it will ask for your name. Don't give it. It will prompt you a few more times and then the registration moves on to the next feild. You can give it your hobby name. The most recent phone I purchased, I registered it with my fake Facebook name. Gives a realistic look to my phone number when texting a Facebook Girl Friend.
If you are using a smart Trac phone the best place to buy your minutes for texting is speedway. They have a card on a rack with 9 options bring the card to the clerk and only pay 5 bucks for 1 k texts. For updating your time purchase the 19 dollar card for 3 months.
I bought my phone at Dollar general moved my sanDisc from my old phone. Plenty of room for everything and I love it. Camera's pics look good too.
They can't trace a phone purchased with cash and all minutes paid with cash too. Don't register your real name.
FYI. If you turn the phone off, when you turn it on data and location is activated and will drain all data while driving. Whenever you turn the phone on check to make sure data and location are off.
I have a wife that occasionally gets curious of my free time. The hobby phone allows me to leave my real phone unattended and unlocked for her to investigate. I even for get my wallet on the kitchen table occasionally and I've noticed things are moved. Then she's real comfortable that I'm not playing around. Make sure you have a safe place to hide the hobby phone and a good excuse if she finds it.
Hope this helps.[/QUOTE]Thanks, Benz!
[QUOTE=NWMich;4356533]Using a smart phone with the Burner app would accomplish the same thing, no?[/QUOTE]I have a burner app on my hobby phone. The app is free but there is always a cost. The burner app asks to access all your contacts. I get the feeling that it could be detected and leave a data trail. I tried setting up a burner app on my real phone and could not push the allow button when it asked for access to my contacts. Maybe it's just me but I prefer total anonymity. Having a hobby phone also allows me to store pics, I can't do that on my real phone.
Looks like LandRover20 is looking for anonymity too.
[QUOTE=Benz1;4357492]I have a burner app on my hobby phone. The app is free but there is always a cost. The burner app asks to access all your contacts. I get the feeling that it could be detected and leave a data trail. I tried setting up a burner app on my real phone and could not push the allow button when it asked for access to my contacts. Maybe it's just me but I prefer total anonymity.[/QUOTE]Good points.
I have it from a few reliable sources. Multiple providers are being watched. Some are cutting deals to give up other girls or clients. They don't need to follow rules police do. If you think a provider won't give you up to save her own ass you crazy. I consider all providers now suspect even if I have seen many times before. Some girls are known to have legal issues in past. They most likely to try to cut a deal because they looking at more severe charges or sentences. I am avoiding any girl I know has had legal problems in past. Check area more thoroughly. Pay attention to surroundings. Careful what you say. Be willing to walk at any sign of odd behavior. They not after girls, they after mongers and dealers.
[QUOTE=Wolverines;4354537]Who is going to tell her she isn't in Vegas.[/QUOTE]I'm from Vegas and she isn't anywhere near a $600 IN Vegas. Not even close!
They did this with at least one provider last summer. Her Ad showed up in GR, Muskegon, Lansing and Holland. Can't say for sure she was working with LE, but they were definitely using her Ad. Appreciate the info LV. If you hear anything else please post it.
[QUOTE=LikeVariety;4357783]I have it from a few reliable sources. Multiple providers are being watched. Some are cutting deals to give up other girls or clients. They don't need to follow rules police do. If you think a provider won't give you up to save her own ass you crazy. I consider all providers now suspect even if I have seen many times before. Some girls are known to have legal issues in past. They most likely to try to cut a deal because they looking at more severe charges or sentences. I am avoiding any girl I know has had legal problems in past. Check area more thoroughly. Pay attention to surroundings. Careful what you say. Be willing to walk at any sign of odd behavior. They not after girls, they after mongers and dealers.[/QUOTE]
Hi fellow mongers,
I've RTFF but am only finding info about South GR, airport area etc. I'll be in town this weekend and am staying near the arena. Any AMPs or recommended escorts in that vicinity? Won't be able to travel outside of downtown. TIA.
Seems odd, soon after wayland, her pics poped up again, be safe.
[QUOTE=Benz1;4357492]I have a burner app on my hobby phone. The app is free but there is always a cost. The burner app asks to access all your contacts. I get the feeling that it could be detected and leave a data trail. I tried setting up a burner app on my real phone and could not push the allow button when it asked for access to my contacts. Maybe it's just me but I prefer total anonymity. Having a hobby phone also allows me to store pics, I can't do that on my real phone.
Looks like LandRover20 is looking for anonymity too.[/QUOTE]I am looking for anonymity, but in today's world it seems either impossible to find or requires too much time and maintenance. Even with a hobby phone, I still find myself sticking only to the safest providers possible (you'd never find me in wayland, in cheap notels, or with high-profile providers). It's too bad, there are some girls I'd love to just spend a brief visit with, but worry about leaving a trail. The Saginaw duo comes to mind, but they were so high traffic it set my spidey senses off. I know conventional wisdom says LEO is mostly only after drug activity, which I'm the opposite of, but I'm starting to feel kind of constricted.
I swore I saw her Ad yesterday but now I can't find it. P10, gaptooth Nikki and that Kristin chick definitely need to be avoided right now. Haven't seen any Ads for Nikki or Kristin.
[QUOTE=MrLimpBiscuit;4358903]Seems odd, soon after wayland, her pics poped up again, be safe.[/QUOTE]
Speaking of the Saginaw duo. It came out in court that the hotel was suspicious because one girl booked two rooms. So the hotel called LE. I wouldn't think booking two rooms would trigger something like that so I have to assume the appearance of the girl booking the rooms also had something to do with it. So this was not a case of LE watching their Ads and being proactive. Just thought I should share this info.
[QUOTE=LandRover20;4359002]I am looking for anonymity, but in today's world it seems either impossible to find or requires too much time and maintenance. Even with a hobby phone, I still find myself sticking only to the safest providers possible (you'd never find me in wayland, in cheap notels, or with high-profile providers). It's too bad, there are some girls I'd love to just spend a brief visit with, but worry about leaving a trail. The Saginaw duo comes to mind, but they were so high traffic it set my spidey senses off. I know conventional wisdom says LEO is mostly only after drug activity, which I'm the opposite of, but I'm starting to feel kind of constricted.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Wolverines;4359055]I swore I saw her Ad yesterday but now I can't find it. P10, gaptooth Nikki and that Kristin chick definitely need to be avoided right now. Haven't seen any Ads for Nikki or Kristin.[/QUOTE]I saw the ad also, clicked on the call me button, it was not her normal number.
[URL]http://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/hey-guys-happy-friday-eve/899724758707[/URL]
Her older pics.
[BLUE]Thanks for the link. No doubt we will want to not contact whomever is behind this Ad.[/BLUE]
[QUOTE=MrLimpBiscuit;4359427][URL]http://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/hey-guys-happy-friday-eve/899724758707[/URL]
Her older pics.[/QUOTE]
[BLUE]Phones were confiscated during the raid so would totally make sense that she is usually a different number. That is, if it is her.[/BLUE]
[QUOTE=JeepsRule;4359344]I saw the ad also, clicked on the call me button, it was not her normal number.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Wolverines;4359077]Speaking of the Saginaw duo. It came out in court that the hotel was suspicious because one girl booked two rooms. So the hotel called LE. I wouldn't think booking two rooms would trigger something like that so I have to assume the appearance of the girl booking the rooms also had something to do with it. So this was not a case of LE watching their Ads and being proactive. Just thought I should share this info.[/QUOTE]Because I've never visited a girl in a hotel, I've always wondered, do they keep booking in the same hotel (s)? That wouldn't be smart, but when you're as incredibly busy as they were, don't you run out of options?
[QUOTE=LandRover20;4363085]Because I've never visited a girl in a hotel, I've always wondered, do they keep booking in the same hotel (s)? That wouldn't be smart, but when you're as incredibly busy as they were, don't you run out of options?[/QUOTE]Hotels often offer discounted weekly rates. Most girls doing dates out of hotels are living in the rooms.