Please Read, someone really needs your help
All right, I have a problem and I need some major help. I wasn't sure if I should post this but the more I thought about it, the more I realized that there in NO better place than here to present my problem and get advice.
Here is the deal: I'm what you would call an experienced monger: in the year or so I've started doing this, I've picked up upwards of 30 girls and spent thousands of dollars. They came in all shapes and sizes: tall, short, skinny, fat, black, white, even a few Asians. They were as different as different can be, but they all shared one unmistakable trait:
they were all gold digging, heartless ******.
I say this not because I'm bitter or anything, and maybe thier lifestyle made them that way and I would have been the same if I did this for a living, but all of them were cold, callous, uncaring, and in it simply for the money....
.... except ONE girl.
If I didn't tell you outright, you wouldn't be able to guess she was a prostitute. Some of you have ran into her a few times, but due to the nature of this problem her identity will have to remain a secret. She was frankly one of the nicest, warmest, most friendly and laid back girls I've ever met in my life. She had no pimp, worked only during daytime, had a beautifull 2-year old daughter than had this cute little smile permanently etched on her face, and never once seemed to be in a rush or interested only in money. She went to an expensive trade school during the day with the money she made (I know because I would help her study and pick her up from her school), and last time I spoke to her she was starting her internship and cutting back on the street life....
..... then she cut off all contact. Granted, I was overseas for four months and our contact was sporadic at best, but it was there by email nonetheless, mostly how I was doing, how she was doing, small talk. Then the last set of emails I got from her was her asking me for $300 (she never asked for it, she told me of her money problems and I offered to help). Even though I was overseas, I really trusted this girl after seeing her so many times and knowing her character, and she seemed DESPERATE. Yet at the same time, the words "you're an idiot who's getting played by a prostitute" kept running through my head.
So I didn't send her the money.
Came back, emailed her: no response.
Text messaged her my new cell number: no response either.
Over the last three months I sent her a couple of emails just in case: nothing.
Then one day while crusing on ECB about a month ago I saw her sitting on a bus bench on ECB, she saw me drive by but I didn't stop. I figured she was a goldigger after all and wasn't talking to me because I didn't spit out the money like a fool.
Then last night I got an email under a different name: it was her and it was short: she wanted to talk to me and gave me a new phone number. It was a strange message, as she seemed like she really wanted to talk to me, and signed off as "your friend".
So today during lunch break at work I called her up: this delirious, mumbling girl picked up the phone, I barely was able to understand her saying that the girl I called for isn't there and will come back.
A minute later, my phone rang and it was her. After the brief "how are you and all that" she told me she went through a lot of **** since her last email to me and money problems, and she said she still works the streets and still goes to her internship.... and then suddenly the voice changed to that of a black guy telling me that unless I'm paying, I shouldn't be calling. I was utterly speechless the whole time and barely was able to speak. He then hung up after going through his little speech.
The entire remaining day at work I wasn't able to do anything other than to ask myself what I should have said to that guy.... I know pimps are really cowards and have major self-esteem issues, should I have threatened him? Or maybe I should have called the police afterwards? Or maybe I should have told him to book me for an appointment with the girl so I can meet her and see if I can help her....
I just don't know. I even went so far as to ask an older, trusted co-worker and he told me what I suspect most of you will tell me: stay away and mind your own business.
But I just can't. If you would have known that girl you would have realized that she wasn't the bitter, gold digging, self centered, obnoxious ***** that we see all the time. She was your next door neighbor. Hardly gorgeous or even attractive, she was a bit overweight, had dark body hair and a mustache, and was short and stocky.
But she was a good person, very sweet, and I considered her a friend, and she considered me one too.
Now I realize the folly of getting "attached" to these girls: they're still having sex for money after all. But I'm not: I don't want anything from her, hell if I can help her without ever seeing her again so much the better.
I just want your advice guys. Before telling me to mind my own business, put yourself in my position: would you leave a good person in trouble? Someone who is better inside that 90% of the people you deal with everyday? That had a beautiful daughter, had a future, and had atleast an idea where her life was going to go?
What should I do? Call the cops, go to the police directly, book an appointment with her so I can see her and ask her what I can do (even though I hate the thought of my money going to that jackass pimp of hers). If I tell the police, will SHE get in trouble? Is there a police officer out there that can look the other way to DO THE RIGHT THING and help an obviously abused girl?
Any shelters? Any help programs? ANYTHING at all I can do?
This might seem like a joke to you, or I might seem like an idiot, but this is 100% real and I don't want to make any mistakes. Think about this for a while and get back to me with what YOU would do in MY position, don't think of it as giving advice to a stranger.
Thanks for reading all this, I wish I didn't have to do this but most of you guys have been around and can help me with this problem, I believe. If you are interested to know the identity of this girl, and I know you are a veteran poster and familiar to me, PM me and I will send you her name and her description, Hizark I do believe you know her. Those that do will know why I want to help her so much.
Even Flow80 You Need a little Advice. . . .
[QUOTE=Even Flow80]All right, I have a problem and I need some major help............ This might seem like a joke to you, or I might seem like an idiot, but this is 100% real and I don't want to make any mistakes. Think about this for a while and get back to me with what YOU would do in MY position, don't think of it as giving advice to a stranger.
[/QUOTE]First let me start by saying I am not judging you or your monger or people skills.
Now let's look at the person you speak of Today.
Going back to Pimps are cowards, actually there not, they are very smart, calculated, and dangerous, and the person you speak of now is basically his property, until she leaves him, she dies, or another pimp takes her over.
This girl most likely is under his control in a Jim Jones kind of way.
Psychologically she is a wreck, Most pimps begin a courtship with there girls making them feel like boyfriend girlfriend they promise the world, Most actually do a good job of managing there finances and keep them well maintained, well fed, clean, nails and hair done, clothes bought. They set-up bank accounts where the money is pooled and saved for her use as HE Deems necessary, For all this he makes a handsome living. After all he is a Manager an agent a bookkeeper a personal assistant. Most pimps fuck there girls bareback, and nut in them to mark there territory, think about that next time you D.A.T.Y., all this and the girl feels she has no reason, or option to leave. She most likely is living in a motel with him and other girls, she has lost contact with most people she knows family is distant, etc. She in essence has been isolated. You spoke of what you could do, well chances are good that she would need a place to stay, so you would have to put her up, hope she isn't using, then maintain her, girls on decent tracks who look pretty good make an average of 500 a day some Good lookers on busy tracks can make upwards of a grand, Don't get me started on Vegas.
Not only that you would have to get her some help for the trauma she has suffered, and then you have to worry about the pimp, remember that is HIS lively hood you are fucking with, I don't know about you, but if someone threatened my finances in such a manner, I would be very displeased, and violence in these situations is always an option. Don't forget in the greater LA Area, a large portion of the pimps are alleged to be hardcore gang-members, not to mention girls don't leave there pimps easily. After all this you would have to deal with her mental state, one day you could come home to find you house has been ransacked, and a large black man is waiting for you in your living room to discuss the large amounts of money you have cost him and a suitable repayment plan. After all you are still assuming she needs and/or wants your help.
LE will be no help in this matter, Why? because really no crime has been committed, Unless you would care to admit to paying the pimp to fuck his girl, but I am sure you see the repercussions this could have. Pimping is illegal, and a felony, but the evidence you would need to convince LE is very hard to come by, especially if the girl won't testify, and the normally don't. OK An anonymous call won't work either, because at best, the girl gets locked up, and chances are the guy doesn't, then he just bails her out and you wasted her time and added a criminal record to boot. Shelters are an option, but again you face her stiff resistance and his ability to sweet talk her. Not to mention you need to think of where her child is, if he has control over the kid, gonna have to be hard to separate. Most mongers would be upset that you would be removing a good girl off the street as well, but in the big picture, You won't learn until you try, my advice is simple follow your heart but be Very Very careful.
[b]Fool Me once, Shame on you. Fool me Twice, Shame on ME![/b]
Consider your options, offer assistance have a thorough plan before you see her, set up the "appointment", and act swiftly, if nothing else and you feel for the girl give her a very large donation for her services.
Brother If you need any more advice a simple P.M. is all it takes.
Good Luck || Be Safe || Have Fun.
Please Read, someone really needs your help
[QUOTE=Even Flow80]Now I realize the folly of getting "attached" to these girls: they're still having sex for money after all. But I'm not: I don't want anything from her, hell if I can help her without ever seeing her again so much the better.
Any shelters? Any help programs? ANYTHING at all I can do?
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I feel for you Flow. A few years ago I made friends with this stripper here in San Diego. She had a young kid and danced to make ends meet. I used to buy her diapers, children's movies, and so on. I thought she was a good person. And maybe deep inside she was. But she lived a different life than mine. Her world was so different. After being with her for a while, the "child's father" came back in the picture. He was abusive. I thought I could save her but she said he should be close to his child, blah, blah, blah. She said he was trying to be better, not so abusive, and so on. Stories you hear a million times.
I guess what I'm saying that it was too much drama for me. Perhaps you really care for this girl and you got to know her better (for instance, I never got to go to my girl's house, we always met at a motel). If you are going to get involved, just be prepared. Don't just shell out money. If she needs food then buy the food. If she needs clothes buy the clothes. If she needs rent money, give the money to the landlord. Because if she has a pimp, you know that money is going to him...
Just be safe out there.
Joe
Have been there. Re: Even flow80 post
I am from Orlando forum if you let me share some thoughts.
First take it easy on yourself. I totally feel you because I have been through similar expriences to this several times. Second, collect info. Third, think THINK very well.
[QUOTE=Even Flow80]Here is the deal: I'm what you would call an experienced monger: in the year or so I've started doing this, I've picked up upwards of 30 girls and spent thousands of dollars. They came in all shapes and sizes: tall, short, skinny, fat, black, white, even a few Asians. They were as different as different can be, but they all shared one unmistakable trait:
They were all gold digging, heartless ******.
I say this not because I'm bitter or anything, and maybe thier lifestyle made them that way and I would have been the same if I did this for a living, but all of them were cold, callous, uncaring, and in it simply for the money....
.... except ONE girl. [/QUOTE]There is always good and bad.
[QUOTE=Even Flow80]If I didn't tell you outright, you wouldn't be able to guess she was a prostitute. Some of you have ran into her a few times, but due to the nature of this problem her identity will have to remain a secret. She was frankly one of the nicest, warmest, most friendly and laid back girls I've ever met in my life. She had no pimp, worked only during daytime, had a beautifull 2-year old daughter than had this cute little smile permanently etched on her face, and never once seemed to be in a rush or interested only in money. She went to an expensive trade school during the day with the money she made (I know because I would help her study and pick her up from her school), and last time I spoke to her she was starting her internship and cutting back on the street life....
..... then she cut off all contact. Granted, I was overseas for four months and our contact was sporadic at best, but it was there by email nonetheless, mostly how I was doing, how she was doing, small talk. Then the last set of emails I got from her was her asking me for $300 (she never asked for it, she told me of her money problems and I offered to help). Even though I was overseas, I really trusted this girl after seeing her so many times and knowing her character, and she seemed DESPERATE. Yet at the same time, the words "you're an idiot who's getting played by a prostitute" kept running through my head. So I didn't send her the money.[/QUOTE]Few hours can change someone(s) life and future. In these four months you do not know Where, What, When, Who and How she lived? And how far, she got involved. You might be blaming yourself and she might when you see her use this against you. DO NOT. What happened has happened. You can not change the past.
[QUOTE=Even Flow80]Came back, emailed her: no response.
Text messaged her my new cell number: no response either.
Over the last three months I sent her a couple of emails just in case: nothing.
Then one day while crusing on ECB about a month ago I saw her sitting on a bus bench on ECB, she saw me drive by but I didn't stop. I figured she was a goldigger after all and wasn't talking to me because I didn't spit out the money like a fool. [/QUOTE]That might be the case. I know it’s hard to believe it.
[QUOTE=Even Flow80]Then last night I got an email under a different name: it was her and it was short: she wanted to talk to me and gave me a new phone number. It was a strange message, as she seemed like she really wanted to talk to me, and signed off as "your friend". [/QUOTE]If she could email you she could have done it a while ago. Could not she? Let’s ignore this and gave her excuses.
[QUOTE=Even Flow80]So today during lunch break at work I called her up: this delirious, mumbling girl picked up the phone, I barely was able to understand her saying that the girl I called for isn't there and will come back.
A minute later, my phone rang and it was her. After the brief "how are you and all that" she told me she went through a lot of **** since her last email to me and money problems, and she said she still works the streets and still goes to her internship.... and then suddenly the voice changed to that of a black guy telling me that unless I'm paying, I shouldn't be calling. I was utterly speechless the whole time and barely was able to speak. He then hung up after going through his little speech. [/QUOTE]Could they have planned it? Possibly, Let’s say no and ignore this too.
Since I know with all these signs, you would still ask yourself what if I helped her? Arrange to see her but be careful. Do not promise her anything. Just try to know everything at this point. You need to know who you are dealing with. You need to know how she is involved. Does she use drugs (keep your eyes wide open)? Very likely, she is hooked on his drugs. What else is he holding against her? Is her daughter involved? After knowing all that and more. DO NOT take a decision in your meeting with her. Keep yourself in control. Investigate anonymously where she works? If she still in her internship and still attends school.
[QUOTE=Even Flow80]The entire remaining day at work I wasn't able to do anything other than to ask myself what I should have said to that guy.... I know pimps are really cowards and have major self-esteem issues, should I have threatened him? Or maybe I should have called the police afterwards? Or maybe I should have told him to book me for an appointment with the girl so I can meet her and see if I can help her.... [/QUOTE]What you did is the best. Could not have said better than Webcams
[QUOTE=Webcams]First let me start by saying I am not judging you or your monger or people skills.
Now let's look at the person you speak of Today.
Going back to Pimps are cowards, actually there not, they are very smart, calculated, and dangerous, and the person you speak of now is basically his property, until she leaves him, she dies, or another pimp takes her over.
This girl most likely is under his control in a Jim Jones kind of way.
Psychologically she is a wreck, Most pimps begin a courtship with there girls making them feel like boyfriend girlfriend they promise the world, Most actually do a good job of managing there finances and keep them well maintained, well fed, clean, nails and hair done, clothes bought. They set-up bank accounts where the money is pooled and saved for her use as HE Deems necessary, For all this he makes a handsome living. After all he is a Manager an agent a bookkeeper a personal assistant. Most pimps fuck there girls bareback, and nut in them to mark there territory, think about that next time you D.A.T.Y., all this and the girl feels she has no reason, or option to leave. She most likely is living in a motel with him and other girls, she has lost contact with most people she knows family is distant, etc. She in essence has been isolated. You spoke of what you could do, well chances are good that she would need a place to stay, so you would have to put her up, hope she isn't using, then maintain her, girls on decent tracks who look pretty good make an average of 500 a day some Good lookers on busy tracks can make upwards of a grand, Don't get me started on Vegas.
Not only that you would have to get her some help for the trauma she has suffered, and then you have to worry about the pimp, remember that is HIS lively hood you are fucking with, I don't know about you, but if someone threatened my finances in such a manner, I would be very displeased, and violence in these situations is always an option. Don't forget in the greater LA Area, a large portion of the pimps are alleged to be hardcore gang-members, not to mention girls don't leave there pimps easily. After all this you would have to deal with her mental state, one day you could come home to find you house has been ransacked, and a large black man is waiting for you in your living room to discuss the large amounts of money you have cost him and a suitable repayment plan. After all you are still assuming she needs and/or wants your help.
LE will be no help in this matter, Why? because really no crime has been committed, Unless you would care to admit to paying the pimp to fuck his girl, but I am sure you see the repercussions this could have. Pimping is illegal, and a felony, but the evidence you would need to convince LE is very hard to come by, especially if the girl won't testify, and the normally don't. OK An anonymous call won't work either, because at best, the girl gets locked up, and chances are the guy doesn't, then he just bails her out and you wasted her time and added a criminal record to boot. Shelters are an option, but again you face her stiff resistance and his ability to sweet talk her. Not to mention you need to think of where her child is, if he has control over the kid, gonna have to be hard to separate. Most mongers would be upset that you would be removing a good girl off the street as well, but in the big picture, You won't learn until you try, my advice is simple follow your heart but be Very Very careful.
[b]Fool Me once, Shame on you. Fool me Twice, Shame on ME![/b]
Consider your options, offer assistance have a thorough plan before you see her, set up the "appointment", and act swiftly, if nothing else and you feel for the girl give her a very large donation for her services.
Brother If you need any more advice a simple P.M. is all it takes.
Good Luck || Be Safe || Have Fun.[/QUOTE]There is a chance he, this pimp of hers, might show you she is his property so be prepared. He might do her in front of you.
[QUOTE=Even Flow80]I just don't know. I even went so far as to ask an older, trusted co-worker and he told me what I suspect most of you will tell me: stay away and mind your own business.
But I just can't. If you would have known that girl you would have realized that she wasn't the bitter, gold digging, self centered, obnoxious ***** that we see all the time. She was your next door neighbor. Hardly gorgeous or even attractive, she was a bit overweight, had dark body hair and a mustache, and was short and stocky.
But she was a good person, very sweet, and I considered her a friend, and she considered me one too.
Now I realize the folly of getting "attached" to these girls: they're still having sex for money after all. But I'm not: I don't want anything from her, hell if I can help her without ever seeing her again so much the better. [/QUOTE]We have feelings we are humans after all. Some of us have good control some get attached easily. I know what you mean and feel you because I have been through this. I wish I was this cold hearted but I am not.
[QUOTE=Even Flow80]I just want your advice guys. Before telling me to mind my own business, put yourself in my position: would you leave a good person in trouble? Someone who is better inside that 90% of the people you deal with everyday? That had a beautiful daughter, had a future, and had atleast an idea where her life was going to go?
What should I do? Call the cops, go to the police directly, book an appointment with her so I can see her and ask her what I can do (even though I hate the thought of my money going to that jackass pimp of hers). If I tell the police, will SHE get in trouble? Is there a police officer out there that can look the other way to DO THE RIGHT THING and help an obviously abused girl? [/QUOTE]Even if she was or is abused believe me she is making or made choices and it’s not your fault.
[QUOTE=Even Flow80] Any shelters? Any help programs? ANYTHING at all I can do?
This might seem like a joke to you, or I might seem like an idiot, but this is 100% real and I don't want to make any mistakes. Think about this for a while and get back to me with what YOU would do in MY position, don't think of it as giving advice to a stranger.
Thanks for reading all this, I wish I didn't have to do this but most of you guys have been around and can help me with this problem, I believe. If you are interested to know the identity of this girl, and I know you are a veteran poster and familiar to me, PM me and I will send you her name and her description, Hizark I do believe you know her. Those that do will know why I want to help her so much. [/QUOTE]I have offered a nice girl that I knew to take care of her totally. Of course, she called for my help and she wanted to get her life back. The whole thing started when she lost her b/f and baby so she started using drugs. She could not afford drugs so she turned to the oldest profession. Anyway to make the story short quitting drugs is almost impossible.
Read this contradiction between feelings and thoughts;
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J
Thanks to all that replied
Those that PM'd me, I sent a PM to all of you. Thank you.
Those that took the time to post here, thank you as well. All of you took a lot of time and thought in replying, and I'm very grateful.
I do want to make a few things clear though:
First of all, I'm as skeptical and as jaded as they come. Call it bad experiences in relationships when I was younger, but I'm not the kind to fall head over heels for the first woman that walks infront of me. I've lost my last two girlfriends because, and I quote "I was too cold". They both said this same exact phrase to me. In a different language, but the meaning is not lost in translation at all.
Second, I am basically in this great country almost as an asylum for past mistakes I've done in my life, in another country, the country of my birth and the country where if I step foot in it again I'm looking at a life sentence minimum or a death sentence outright. I don't think I'm a bad person, but I do have some serious faults and I've had a rough life up until I turned 18 or so. No pimp can even make my heartbeat go up a beat.
Third, I am more than capable of taking care of myself. If someone messes with me to the extent where I lose my temper or get threatened, I will shoot them dead on the spot and live to regret it for the rest of my life. If a pimp does decide to even LOOK in my direction, I will kill him, pure and simple. I will go to jail for the rest of my life or maybe have to yet again go to another country, but atleast he won't be alive to have that satisfaction.
Lastly, I'm trying to change. I voluntarily do community service at a retirment home next to a high school I used to go to, I give $150 a month out of my pay check to charity, and the rest I send to my mother back home to support her and will continue to do so. The rest I would spend on prostitutes, sometimes at the expense of food and other life neccissaties.
I good things I'm trying to do is partly to absolve myself of past horrible sins, mostly to genuinly try to change my character and who I am. To that end, I intentionally force myself to help people that are in need. I force myself to do this, even when in reality I couldn't care less. I have a theory that helping people successfully is addictive: start by helping out an old lady cross the street and it will keep going from there until you're the founder of a multi-million dollar charity.
Its almost as addicting as cruising and having sex with prostitutes. Almost.
So to all those that said I don't know what I'm getting into and that it's dangerous:
Relax, my personal well being is the last thing I'm worried about. If there was no law, you can be 100% sure that pimp would be buried alive by now. I would have enjoyed it too, immensely.
I also have no intention of ever seeing that girl again, much less letting her live with me or even getting her a place. I just wanted to do my part in helping her help herself, and to do that I thought I just had to get the ball rolling and offer my support.
For those interested, I did call the police today. Gave them her street name, and they called her up. Five minutes later they called me and told me she answered and sounded fine and was able to talk and just as happy as happy can be.
Unless it wasn't her and someone else, I think I did my part. I extended a hand, and very clearly told the police operator that I was willing to do anything money wise or even to incriminate myself if that will help her. The girl was told there was help IF SHE WANTS IT.
And that's the key word here: If she WANTS. I'm not going to be a baby sitter or a psychologist to anyone, if she thinks a COWARD who beats up women and takes there money while they work the streets and he sits at home smoking weed is the ideal man who REALLY loves her, she's doing the gene pool a favor by dying off or getting killed.
But if she wants help....
