Thunderdome

[QUOTE=XxxCaliber;3969817]I Absoultely agree with you guys. I have nearly 100 videos that I would never post for a couple reasons. First being that I said I wouldn't. Second being that if I post these video's and the provider finds out she most likely won't allow for other mongers to make their own videos.[/QUOTE]And here's another good reason: there's no "if" regarding the provider finding out once it gets posted here. I can promise you they found out very quickly in fact. And one of them was able to identify the guy who made and uploaded these videos. Hope he really enjoys jerking off to the videos he made, because he's never going to get to experience the real thing again. I wonder if it was worth it.

I won't name any names but I know people who regularly post videos on pornhub and the sort. I don't know if they have the providers' permission to do so but somehow I doubt it. I've always wondered about that. I would never post because I don't need to win any popularity contests and I wouldn't want to be at the wrong end of legal action, although the thinking is that most providers are far from able to launch any legal action. But what if they banded together one day add did a class action suit?

The Julie / Mandy videos are fair game to be honest. They clearly consented to being filmed, so its their own fault for it being on the internet. Why would they trust a person they JUST met to keep it for private use?

I don't trust these girls in the slightest (even the nice ones). Go follow some providers on twitter for some daily intake on what they really think about most mongers. I've seen them post pictures, numbers, even saw a girl once put a whole guys information (name and workplace) in a tweet because he canceled on her last minute. Trust goes both ways and the majority of providers will bury you in a heart beat.

In the case of Destiny, I do think their is a line crossed. It's clearly a hidden cam video that she didn't consent to. I don't know the legality of these type of videos or if they fall under "revenge" porn laws or what, but I do know that the law varies from state-to-state.

[QUOTE=TwinSnow99;3970665]The Julie / Mandy videos are fair game to be honest. They clearly consented to being filmed, so its their own fault for it being on the internet. Why would they trust a person they JUST met to keep it for private use?

I don't trust these girls in the slightest (even the nice ones). Go follow some providers on twitter for some daily intake on what they really think about most mongers. I've seen them post pictures, numbers, even saw a girl once put a whole guys information (name and workplace) in a tweet because he canceled on her last minute. Trust goes both ways and the majority of providers will bury you in a heart beat.

In the case of Destiny, I do think their is a line crossed. It's clearly a hidden cam video that she didn't consent to. I don't know the legality of these type of videos or if they fall under "revenge" porn laws or what, but I do know that the law varies from state-to-state.[/QUOTE]I'm certainly not a legal mind here, but from what I understand, videoing without consent is illegal. A couple of those are clearly consensual while one appears to almost definitely not be.

[QUOTE=TwinSnow99;3970665]The Julie / Mandy videos are fair game to be honest. They clearly consented to being filmed, so its their own fault for it being on the internet. Why would they trust a person they JUST met to keep it for private use?[/QUOTE]This is the same sort of logic where you ask "Well what was she wearing?" when you hear about a girl being raped. Classic victim blaming. Whether they were naive to trust the clients or not doesn't make it right to violate their trust.

[QUOTE=TwinSnow99;3970665]I don't trust these girls in the slightest (even the nice ones). Go follow some providers on twitter for some daily intake on what they really think about most mongers. I've seen them post pictures, numbers, even saw a girl once put a whole guys information (name and workplace) in a tweet because he canceled on her last minute. Trust goes both ways and the majority of providers will bury you in a heart beat.[/QUOTE]Trust does go both ways. When has there EVER been a report of any of the three providers in these videos (who have all been active for years) screwing over one of their clients? I can't think of a single time. But now they've been screwed over. If they showed their clients a certain measure of trust before, I guarantee it's going to be a lot less now.

[QUOTE=TwinSnow99;3970665]In the case of Destiny, I do think their is a line crossed. It's clearly a hidden cam video that she didn't consent to. I don't know the legality of these type of videos or if they fall under "revenge" porn laws or what, but I do know that the law varies from state-to-state.[/QUOTE]Revenge porn laws could apply in the case of posting the videos online, even if the videos were taken consensually, though I'm not sure of the status of such laws in RI. The SECRET filming of sexual acts without the other party's knowledge is absolutely a serious crime.

[URL]https://law.justia.com/codes/rhode-island/2013/title-11/chapter-11-64/section-11-64-2[/URL]

[QUOTE]2013 Rhode Island General Laws
Title 11 - Criminal Offenses
Chapter 11-64 - Electronic Imaging Devices
Section 11-64-2 - Video voyeurism.

Universal Citation: RI Gen L 11-64-2 (2013)
11-64-2 Video voyeurism. (1) A person is guilty of video voyeurism when, for the purpose of sexual arousal, gratification or stimulation, such person:

(a) Uses, installs or permits the use or installation of an imaging device to capture, record, store or transmit visual images of the intimate areas of another person without that other person's knowledge and consent, and under circumstances in which that other person would have a reasonable expectation of privacy.

(b) Intentionally, and with knowledge that the image was obtained in violation of subsection (a), disseminates, publishes, or sells such image of the captured representation of another person or persons depicted in the representation or reproduction, and who did not consent to the dissemination, publication or sale.

(2) A person is also guilty of video voyeurism when that person, for the purpose of sexual arousal, gratification or stimulation, looks into an occupied dwelling or other building by use of an imaging device that provides images of the interior of a dwelling.

(3) A person found guilty of the crime of video voyeurism shall be imprisoned for not more than three (3) years in jail and/or fined not more than five thousand dollars ($5000). [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WillyO;3970738]I'm certainly not a legal mind here, but from what I understand, videoing without consent is illegal. A couple of those are clearly consensual while one appears to almost definitely not be.[/QUOTE]It definitely is. And so is uploading sexually explicit pictures and videos to the internet without the other party's consent, even if consent was given to TAKE the pics / video. It was signed into law in RI this past June.

[URL]https://www.wpri.com/politics/gov-raimondo-signs-revenge-porn-sextortion-bill-into-law/1220070371[/URL]

In general and until or unless it changes, our participation in paying money for sexual acts is all illegal activity in this country.

The law & society does not distinguish between those posting videos, pictures or having sex in any form regardless of consent, as to them we are all vile & creepy, to use your words.

Don't act self righteous as if your chit don't stink, it does buku big time, as does mine & everyone here.

Couple of things, there are a shit ton of ads posted with pictures that show the girls face, once she put herself out there then everything becomes fair game, pictures, reviews, videos etc, it's part of the territory regardless of her consent or if you like it or not.

This is a review site, what is appropriate to post is not up to you or me to say.

May I suggest go fuck some pussy & post about that instead of trying to inflict your morals on those that don't give a shit.

Have a nice day!

[QUOTE=MongerBob;3970501]You seriously don't understand the HUGE difference? Written descriptions are very general. You can't make a positive ID of someone based on that alone. There are likely hundreds of girls within any geographic area that might fit the general description of any of these providers. But having her FACE fully visible is a whole different story. I'll agree that in the case of Destiny, where she puts her face right there in her ad, it's kind of hard to say that her identity would be any more compromised by a video than it already is (however recording someone without their knowledge is a WHOLE different level of vile and creepy in and of itself). But some of these girls have never put their face in any of their ads. And let's also not forget that the simple existence of an ad for escort services isn't proof of any illegal activity taking place. But VIDEO of the act itself sure is. Come on, man, don't be obtuse about this. Anyone with common sense should be able to see there's a MASSIVE difference.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MongerBob;3970751]This is the same sort of logic where you ask "Well what was she wearing?" when you hear about a girl being raped. [/QUOTE]Nope. Not the same logic at all. Unless the rapist specifically asked if the woman would like to be raped before hand.

[QUOTE=MongerBob;3970751]Classic victim blaming. Whether they were naive to trust the clients or not doesn't make it right to violate their trust.[/QUOTE]Do you know for a fact that Mandy said not to post this video somewhere? How do we know she didn't tell this guy it was ok, but then later retracted after some backlash? (likely scenario).

[QUOTE=TwinSnow99;3971133]Nope. Not the same logic at all. Unless the rapist specifically asked if the woman would like to be raped before hand.

Do you know for a fact that Mandy said not to post this video somewhere? How do we know she didn't tell this guy it was ok, but then later retracted after some backlash? (likely scenario).[/QUOTE]Asking if taking video is ok isn't the same as asking if sharing it on the internet is ok. One does not imply permission to do the other. And yes, I know for a fact that Mandy does not give permission to post or share videos. Her policy on this is well known to anyone who has ever talked to her about it, and I've spoken to other members here who have seen her and made videos and confirmed that she's VERY clear on this matter. Why on Earth would she ever give permission to do that? Why do you think the guy who uploaded them was careful not to use her name or any terms in the video titles that would make them easy to find? Obviously he didn't want her to find out. Saying that's a "likely scenario" that she gave permission and took it back later is nonsensical. If you want to say that they shouldn't trust clients with video, fair enough, this incident is proof of that. But don't make disingenuous arguments to try and justify it.

[QUOTE=TwinSnow99;3971133]

Do you know for a fact that Mandy said not to post this video somewhere? How do we know she didn't tell this guy it was ok, but then later retracted after some backlash? (likely scenario).[/QUOTE]Well, I can confirm it for a fact, because I talked to her about it. That and I've known her for a long time and I know she never gives permission to do this.

Why not you do, on the one hand you say it's okay to pay women for sex yet not okay for an individual to post pictures, videos etc.

Again I remind you this is a review site, who the fuck are you to say what's right or wrong to post when according to the law you're just as wrong as anyone & everyone else here.

[QUOTE=MongerBob;3971159]But don't make disingenuous arguments to try and justify it[/QUOTE]BTW do all your reviews have the girls consent before you post them, I don't think so.

I don't know if it's right to upload a video like you all have a Conscience now look what you're doing on here give me a break you're all a joke who are complaining about this.

All I can say is each and everyone of us knows the adage that once it's on digital, phone cam etc. It is absolutely going to end up on the web somewhere. Even providers are not that naive. However if you're saying that they are that dumb I'm not going there at all.

[QUOTE=MongerBob;3971159]Asking if taking video is ok isn't the same as asking if sharing it on the internet is ok. One does not imply permission to do the other. And yes, I know for a fact that Mandy does not give permission to post or share videos. Her policy on this is well known to anyone who has ever talked to her about it, and I've spoken to other members here who have seen her and made videos and confirmed that she's VERY clear on this matter. Why on Earth would she ever give permission to do that? Why do you think the guy who uploaded them was careful not to use her name or any terms in the video titles that would make them easy to find? Obviously he didn't want her to find out. Saying that's a "likely scenario" that she gave permission and took it back later is nonsensical. If you want to say that they shouldn't trust clients with video, fair enough, this incident is proof of that. But don't make disingenuous arguments to try and justify it.[/QUOTE].

Yiur all baby's I don't know if it's right to upload a video look what you do I know you have a conscious give me a break.

Not saying that is ethically / morally right or wrong, I am not that hypocritical. But I will say that the video was the only thing legal that happened during that encounter. Here is an excerpt from RI Law.

"Rhode Island recording law stipulates that it is a one-party consent state. In Rhode Island, it is a criminal offense to use any device to record or share use communications, whether they are wire, oral or electronic, without the consent of at least one person taking part in the communication. This means that in Rhode Island, you are legally allowed to record a conversation if you are a contributor, or with prior consent from one of the involved parties, barring any criminal intentions. It is also lawful to share the details of a conversation that has become widely circulated or available to the public. Are. I. Gen. Laws § 11-35-21 (2012). ".

[QUOTE=Glennie;3970580]I won't name any names but I know people who regularly post videos on pornhub and the sort. I don't know if they have the providers' permission to do so but somehow I doubt it. I've always wondered about that. I would never post because I don't need to win any popularity contests and I wouldn't want to be at the wrong end of legal action, although the thinking is that most providers are far from able to launch any legal action. But what if they banded together one day add did a class action suit?[/QUOTE]