General Reports

Hi Everyone, I've had a couple of Newbies reach out to me asking for advice and I decided to share what I have replied with and hoping that some of you may chime in and give your advice and insight on this hobby and how to be successful, as I'm NOT by any means the most educated or seasoned person out here!

First and foremost, Be Honest with yourself and what it is that you're looking for? Many of us are here for different reasons. Some don't have anyone or the time to go out and meet someone in public and just need someone else to get them off. Others like a variety of different woman / men and just feel it's easier to pay with nsa. Some are married / significant others and need to try something new. You get my point?

Never use your personal phone to research or setup appointments. Grab another cheap phone and service plan that you don't need attached to your name.

Do as much research on the person that you want to go and see before setting up an appointment. Browse posts, google pictures, numbers etc. Once you have a person in mind and decide to setup an appointment, outcall to a hotel of your choice is probably best. Never to your private residence. If you choose to go to their incall, again do your research and drive by the area looking for le presence, marked or people just sitting in vehicles close by the location that could be surveillance or even handlers out to rob you. Always trust your instincts, if it doesn't look or feel right, odds are it probably isn't.

There's a lot of good information on this board and several reputable providers that have been mentioned that cover pretty much anything that you're looking for, so some of the research has been done for you.

YMMV. Your miles may vary, is usually always a factor. A provider may be spooked by you or actually be turned on by you and you may get less or more depending on your interactions. Usually a good thing to be polite but there's a fine line to where a provider will think you're a sucker and try to overcharge you.

I prefer text to the provider and let them send you a menu and prices. Never talk about specific acts for money. That's why we use a lot of lingo and donations or roses. Etc.

Never send anyone your picture or reveal anything about your true identity to a provider or anyone for that matter.

I'm sure I've missed a bunch but try and digest what I've sent to you and let me know if you have any questions?

Stay Safe Everyone!

[QUOTE=HardMuscle1;4751843]Hi Everyone, I've had a couple of Newbies reach out to me asking for advice and I decided to share what I have replied with and hoping that some of you may chime in and give your advice and insight on this hobby and how to be successful, as I'm NOT by any means the most educated or seasoned person out here!

First and foremost, Be Honest with yourself and what it is that you're looking for? Many of us are here for different reasons. Some don't have anyone or the time to go out and meet someone in public and just need someone else to get them off. Others like a variety of different woman / men and just feel it's easier to pay with nsa. Some are married / significant others and need to try something new. You get my point?

Never use your personal phone to research or setup appointments. Grab another cheap phone and service plan that you don't need attached to your name.

Do as much research on the person that you want to go and see before setting up an appointment. Browse posts, google pictures, numbers etc. Once you have a person in mind and decide to setup an appointment, outcall to a hotel of your choice is probably best. Never to your private residence. If you choose to go to their incall, again do your research and drive by the area looking for le presence, marked or people just sitting in vehicles close by the location that could be surveillance or even handlers out to rob you. Always trust your instincts, if it doesn't look or feel right, odds are it probably isn't.

There's a lot of good information on this board and several reputable providers that have been mentioned that cover pretty much anything that you're looking for, so some of the research has been done for you.

YMMV. Your miles may vary, is usually always a factor. A provider may be spooked by you or actually be turned on by you and you may get less or more depending on your interactions. Usually a good thing to be polite but there's a fine line to where a provider will think you're a sucker and try to overcharge you.[/QUOTE]Actually, this is sound advice, but I want to stress the importance of anonymity.

First. You do not need to purchase a separate phone for a different number. There are many text apps that use a different number on your own phone and you can change the number often. The number you pick will be the number that displays when you text and / or call, and yes, many of them allow calls. I use one that earns calling minutes by paying or watching 2 minutes videos. I have a buttload of minutes built up. Using a different number not only keeps you safe from a providers repercussion of a bad transaction, but from LEO if they are ever arrested tat provider. AND. "NO", the number cannot be traced back to you.

Second. Never use your real name, same reason for above. Eliminate any evidence to you. If providers can use fake names, why can't you?

Third. Scoping the area is a very good idea, though I go a step further and park farther away, if possible. At a motel / hotel, very easy to park at a local business and walk. Provider asked what you're driving? None of her business. Tell them you're walking, make up a car or just tell them you parked elsewhere. Again, this protects you from a providers pimps or other connections who may rob your car.

Fourth. Leave your wallet in the car. Carry just the amount of cash you need in your pocket. Again, protection of theft. Also turn your phone to silent and hide it. I would say also keep in car but it may be needed in cases of a flee and when you're walking back to your vehicle.

Fifth. For me at least, I no longer hand the girl cash first. I show her, then place it under my clothes, which I ensure are closer to me. One plus is I look honest, therefore, they trust me and a legit provider is OK with it. I am tired of some gals trying to grab and run or provider shitty service and I get no discount. But so far, I haven't been too disappointed. Also, seeing a provider regularly, they know you're good for it anyway. I only had one incident wit an attempt grab and dash. It was an interesting attempt but I won.

Sixth. As HM stated, never use your own place, at the least, with a first time provider. Build trust then consider it down the road if you see her frequently.

Seventh. Again, as HM stated, never send a photo of yourself. The provider doesn't need to see who you are. They take all types of customers unless they state otherwise. They only care about the money.

Overall, if all else fails with a provider, let it go. There are far too many other gals in the field than to worry about a questionable one. They don't care about you other than what they can get. It's your job to watch out for you.

Stay safe.

Great advice guys. That's great for newbies and seasoned vets alike. Always good to read to remind you about the perils of the game. If I may add.....this rule is difficult; I break it often myself. Make your best effort to think with the BIG HEAD. You may miss out on opportunity at times, but it will save your ass in the long run. Also as C69 said, show the girl the money if you must but ALWAYS PAY AFTER SERVICES. If she balks at this, then immediately bail. Most likely the service would have sucked anyway; and not in a good way.

[QUOTE=Concupiscent69;4751957]Actually, this is sound advice, but I want to stress the importance of anonymity.

First. You do not need to purchase a separate phone for a different number. There are many text apps that use a different number on your own phone and you can change the number often. The number you pick will be the number that displays when you text and / or call, and yes, many of them allow calls. I use one that earns calling minutes by paying or watching 2 minutes videos. I have a buttload of minutes built up. Using a different number not only keeps you safe from a providers repercussion of a bad transaction, but from LEO if they are ever arrested tat provider. AND. "NO", the number cannot be traced back to you.

Second. Never use your real name, same reason for above. Eliminate any evidence to you. If providers can use fake names, why can't you?

Third. Scoping the area is a very good idea, though I go a step further and park farther away, if possible. At a motel / hotel, very easy to park at a local business and walk. Provider asked what you're driving? None of her business. Tell them you're walking, make up a car or just tell them you parked elsewhere. Again, this protects you from a providers pimps or other connections who may rob your car.

Fourth. Leave your wallet in the car. Carry just the amount of cash you need in your pocket. Again, protection of theft. Also turn your phone to silent and hide it. I would say also keep in car but it may be needed in cases of a flee and when you're walking back to your vehicle.

Fifth. For me at least, I no longer hand the girl cash first. I show her, then place it under my clothes, which I ensure are closer to me. One plus is I look honest, therefore, they trust me and a legit provider is OK with it. I am tired of some gals trying to grab and run or provider shitty service and I get no discount. But so far, I haven't been too disappointed. Also, seeing a provider regularly, they know you're good for it anyway. I only had one incident wit an attempt grab and dash. It was an interesting attempt but I won.

Sixth. As HM stated, never use your own place, at the least, with a first time provider. Build trust then consider it down the road if you see her frequently.

Seventh. Again, as HM stated, never send a photo of yourself. The provider doesn't need to see who you are. They take all types of customers unless they state otherwise. They only care about the money.

Overall, if all else fails with a provider, let it go. There are far too many other gals in the field than to worry about a questionable one. They don't care about you other than what they can get. It's your job to watch out for you.

Stay safe.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jd2011;4752656]Great advice guys. That's great for newbies and seasoned vets alike. Always good to read to remind you about the perils of the game. If I may add.....this rule is difficult; I break it often myself. Make your best effort to think with the BIG HEAD. You may miss out on opportunity at times, but it will save your ass in the long run. [b]Also as C69 said, show the girl the money if you must but ALWAYS PAY AFTER SERVICES[/b]. If she balks at this, then immediately bail. Most likely the service would have sucked anyway; and not in a good way.[/QUOTE]No escort (unless you know her real well) is going to let you pay after.

[QUOTE=TheTrackStar;4752788]No escort (unless you know her real well) is going to let you pay after[/QUOTE]I found that to be true with the cheaper escorts. In my experience, the ones that are getting higher dollar wait until you're time is up.

[QUOTE=Concupiscent69;4751957]

First. You do not need to purchase a separate phone for a different number. There are many text apps that use a different number on your own phone and you can change the number often. The number you pick will be the number that displays when you text and / or call, and yes, many of them allow calls. I use one that earns calling minutes by paying or watching 2 minutes videos. I have a buttload of minutes built up. Using a different number not only keeps you safe from a providers repercussion of a bad transaction, but from LEO if they are ever arrested tat provider. [b]AND. "NO", the number cannot be traced back to you[/b].[/QUOTE]I wouldn't be so sure of that. You're downloading an app to your contract phone that's in your name so the app number (s) is connected to your contract number. I'm not saying LE will do it but from an IT POV it can be done.

[QUOTE=Concupiscent69;4751957]Third. Scoping the area is a very good idea, though I go a step further and park farther away, if possible. At a motel / hotel, very easy to park at a local business and walk. Provider asked what you're driving? None of her business. Tell them you're walking, make up a car or just tell them you parked elsewhere. Again, this protects you from a providers pimps or other connections who may rob your car.[/QUOTE]Some escorts won't tell you the room number unless you park where they tell you, they want to see you getting out of your car. Personally I won't do it, I'll find someone else.

[QUOTE=Concupiscent69;4751957]Fourth. Leave your wallet in the car. Carry just the amount of cash you need in your pocket. Again, protection of theft. Also turn your phone to silent and hide it. I would say also keep in car but it may be needed in cases of a flee and when you're walking back to your vehicle.[/QUOTE]If you're going to do this find a really, really good spot to hide your shit and do it before you get to the notel.

[QUOTE=Concupiscent69;4751957]Sixth. As HM stated, never use your own place, at the least, with a first time provider. Build trust then consider it down the road if you see her frequently.[/QUOTE]You can NEVER trust a hooker no matter how cool you are with her. If her dude tells her to leave the backdoor unlocked she's going to do it.

[QUOTE=Concupiscent69;4751957]Overall, if all else fails with a provider, let it go. There are far too many other gals in the field than to worry about a questionable one. They don't care about you other than what they can get. It's your job to watch out for you.

Stay safe.[/QUOTE]Plus one. Too many guys say "fuck it I'm here" and hope for the best. It doesn't matter if she's an escort, stripper, SW, sugar baby, whatever, cut her ass loose if something doesn't go right. Trust your gut not your little head.

[QUOTE=TheTrackStar;4752788]No escort (unless you know her real well) is going to let you pay after[/QUOTE]Then you might want to tell the ones I did it with for the first time.

[QUOTE=TheTrackStar;4752872]I wouldn't be so sure of that. You're downloading an app to your contract phone that's in your name so the app number (s) is connected to your contract number. I'm not saying LE will do it but from an IT POV it can be done.[/QUOTE]I'm very sure of it. Don't assume until you know.

[QUOTE=TheTrackStar;4752885]Some escorts won't tell you the room number unless you park where they tell you, they want to see you getting out of your car. Personally I won't do it, I'll find someone else[/QUOTE]Haven't encounter that yet. Been working for me. I have more problems with being ghosted when I get near the area and never when I walk to the room.

[QUOTE=TheTrackStar;4752896]If you're going to do this find a really, really good spot to hide your shit and do it before you get to the notel.[/QUOTE]Well obviously it's not wise to leave it in the open nor leave the car unlock. Come on, do I need to be specific of common logic?

[QUOTE=TheTrackStar;4752903]You can NEVER trust a hooker no matter how cool you are with her. If her dude tells her to leave the backdoor unlocked she's going to do it.[/QUOTE]If that were the case, all the guys who have had outcalls would have been robbed, dead or otherwise and never do it again.

[QUOTE=HardMuscle1;4751843]I prefer text to the provider and let them send you a menu and prices. Never talk about specific acts for money. That's why we use a lot of lingo and donations or roses. Etc.[/QUOTE]That "lingo" isn't going to save your ass if LE is running a sting. Discussing menu and or rates before the LE check is very dangerous. I just say "I'd like to meet you" but even this will get you busted if LE is running a sting. If LE is running a sting you will get busted no matter what you say or do. Now I know there's going to be someone that's going to say sex for money has to be discussed but I'm telling you if LE is running a sting and you show up or have her come to you, you will get busted.

Anyone know any motels that offer short stay up in southfield royal oak area? Someplace that isn't a fleabag?

I use nextplus & textplus. I tell them my Name is Jon cause that's what I am.

[QUOTE=MisterFox;4753361]Forgive me guys, I haven't reported in awhile. I've been a little busy. Had a nice dream on Sunday around 9:00 pm that I was on my usual Harper stroll, which I found uninspiring LOL. I almost through in the towel and head home, but decided to give ole Chalmers a shot 1st. I got few blocks from Harper and found a nice amount of activity between the gas station and the apartment buildings. After passing a few BSWs (all looked to be a little rough in their late 30's), I noticed a pretty blond WSW around the apartment with a lot of traffic surrounding her. Those are signs for me to usually avoid them like the plaque, but the pickings were slim and the little head took the wheel. After my usual of circling the perimeter to check for uncle, I pulled up on her and told her to meet me at the corner where it was less traffic and she happily obliged. [b]We rode to a spot she knew of in a driveway by a field. It wasn't the best, but ok[/b]. She told me her name was Rochelle and that she was 27. We agreed upon CBJ for. 20. I could've gotten BBJ, but decided CBJ was best. After about 10 minutes of a decent CBJ, I suggested FS. She said an extra. 30. I tried to lowball her and talked her down to another. 20. I had a theory that she was either new to the game or just out here because she needed money due to being off work. Anyways, after getting in there DS, my theory was right. She was as tight as a virgin and moaning loudly with every stroke. I asked her if she usually did this, she claimed it was her first night. Afterwards, I dropped her back close to the spot where I picked her up, gave her. 30 and left. I meant to get the digits, but forgot. I'll find her again.[/QUOTE]NEVER, NEVER go to her spot.

[QUOTE=Concupiscent69;4752937]If that were the case, all the guys who have had outcalls would have been robbed, dead or otherwise and never do it again.[/QUOTE]You could have a hundred meets, but you have that one that goes bad that could cost you your wallet or even your life. Trust me when I first got in The hobby, I've been robbed trying to meet up with a provider, and also handcuffed by LEO, had my wallet grabbed twice when I ran across one unexpectedly and didn't make the effort to put my wallet in my trunk, luckily I got them back both times. Had the last incident with Deanna Jo setting me up with a black guy, her new pimp I guess, and had to leave my donation and get the hell out of there. You said outcalls but I don't know if you're referring to incalls, as they're the most dangerous. Outcalls, You can control the situation better but still not guaranteed as I had others play games, grab your donation and head out the door and jump in the car with somebody. With incalls, they are in total control. Just go back and read the ripoff reports and you'll see that most are probably ones that parked in their spot where they recommended or went to their place (The worst one it's a bando) or to their notel. Be careful and safe out there because I think things are getting really desperate for these providers to control their habit.

Totally not true.

[QUOTE=TheTrackStar;4752788]No escort (unless you know her real well) is going to let you pay after.[/QUOTE]

[B]Concupiscent69, I apologize if my posts came off confrontational, I was just giving my two cents.[/B]

[QUOTE=Concupiscent69;4752923]Then you might want to tell the ones I did it with for the first time.[/QUOTE]We will just have to agree to disagree. It would be nice if a few other mongers gave their opinion on this. I bet we have thousands of mongers that read the Detroit forum, maybe a few will chime in.

[QUOTE=Concupiscent69;4752925]I'm very sure of it. Don't assume until you know.[/QUOTE]Again, we will just have to agree to disagree. Maybe you can provide a link to the app and I can read into their TOS. I'm just a big believer that there are no limits to tech, once your info is in a database the dots can somehow be connected.

[QUOTE=Concupiscent69;4752927]Haven't encounter that yet. Been working for me. I have more problems with being ghosted when I get near the area and never when I walk to the room.[/QUOTE]Yeah these girls are out of their minds (it's the drugs), but if they weren't out of their minds they wouldn't be selling pussy. I guess we just have to live with the fucked up shit they do.

[QUOTE=Concupiscent69;4752932]Well obviously it's not wise to leave it in the open nor leave the car unlock. Come on, do I need to be specific of common logic?[/QUOTE]I didn't say anything about leaving it in the open or leaving the car unlock. But yes some guys you really do need to spell it out for them. If every man here had "common logic" you wouldn't see post asking if a girl with model looks is really selling pussy for 80 dollars in Detroit Michigan. Common logic should obviously tell them it's fake.

[QUOTE=Concupiscent69;4752937]If that were the case, all the guys who have had outcalls would have been robbed, dead or otherwise and never do it again.[/QUOTE]I think Monger998 hit the nail on the head with his post.

Safe Hunting My Friend.

[QUOTE=Jd2011;4753958]Totally not true.[/QUOTE]What percentage of escorts (escorts, not SW, strippers, UTRs, etc) do you feel let you pay them after services?

[QUOTE=Monger998;4753646]You could have a hundred meets, but you have that one that goes bad that could cost you your wallet or even your life. Trust me when I first got in The hobby, I've been robbed trying to meet up with a provider, and also handcuffed by LEO, had my wallet grabbed twice when I ran across one unexpectedly and didn't make the effort to put my wallet in my trunk, luckily I got them back both times. Had the last incident with Deanna Jo setting me up with a black guy, her new pimp I guess, and had to leave my donation and get the hell out of there. You said outcalls but I don't know if you're referring to incalls, as they're the most dangerous. Outcalls, You can control the situation better but still not guaranteed as I had others play games, grab your donation and head out the door and jump in the car with somebody. With incalls, they are in total control. Just go back and read the ripoff reports and you'll see that most are probably ones that parked in their spot where they recommended or went to their place (The worst one it's a bando) or to their notel. Be careful and safe out there because I think things are getting really desperate for these providers to control their habit.[/QUOTE]Well said.

Twice I've had to run down from my apartment to pay outcall visitors. Hey, you forget the money. Of course there are girls you can pay after. (But why?) The ones you know and trust, know and trust you too.

[QUOTE=TheTrackStar;4754222]What percentage of escorts (escorts, not SW, strippers, UTRs, etc) do you feel let you pay them after services?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Geralda;4754261]Twice I've had to run down from my apartment to pay outcall visitors. Hey, you forget the money. Of course there are girls you can pay after. (But why?) [b]The ones you know and trust, know and trust you too[/b].[/QUOTE]Thanks Geralda but we are talking about escorts you have never meet before (first date).

[QUOTE=Monger998;4753646]You could have a hundred meets, but you have that one that goes bad that could cost you your wallet or even your life. Trust me when I first got in The hobby, I've been robbed trying to meet up with a provider, and also handcuffed by LEO, had my wallet grabbed twice when I ran across one unexpectedly and didn't make the effort to put my wallet in my trunk, luckily I got them back both times. Had the last incident with Deanna Jo setting me up with a black guy, her new pimp I guess, and had to leave my donation and get the hell out of there. You said outcalls but I don't know if you're referring to incalls, as they're the most dangerous. Outcalls, You can control the situation better but still not guaranteed as I had others play games, grab your donation and head out the door and jump in the car with somebody. With incalls, they are in total control. Just go back and read the ripoff reports and you'll see that most are probably ones that parked in their spot where they recommended or went to their place (The worst one it's a bando) or to their notel. Be careful and safe out there because I think things are getting really desperate for these providers to control their habit.[/QUOTE]You could also have a million miles traveled and never had an accident until the one that puts a major impact on your life. You can also do many things in life perfectly and that one will not be so. In other words, life is a risk and so is this hobby / habit. Each gal is different and each of us handle issues differently. I'm aware of my capabilities and how to handle myself, therefore, I assume the risks accordingly for me. You each have to calculate your own risk and determine if it's something you want to follow through.

[QUOTE=TheTrackStar;4754222]What percentage of escorts (escorts, not SW, strippers, UTRs, etc) do you feel let you pay them after services?[/QUOTE]Though not directed to me, I would say, since I began this method, about 90%. I recall one gal who said noway and I said goodbye.

Just like any negotiating tactic, one must be willing to walk away when they don't agree with the results.

[QUOTE=TheTrackStar;4754272]Thanks Geralda but we are talking about escorts you have never meet before (first date).[/QUOTE]Agree with Geralda. I suppose if the women you see are strung out they're paranoid and want their mo eh now. Go with a higher class of provider and you won't be paying up front.

I would guess at 70%? You have to used a strong pimp hand. Tell them you've been robbed and scammed too often and that's how it's going to be. Show the money if you must but that's it. Most will be ok with it unless you look like a scammer. The ones that are not ok with it are mostly likely to rob you, cheat you out of time, or worse.

[QUOTE=TheTrackStar;4754222]What percentage of escorts (escorts, not SW, strippers, UTRs, etc) do you feel let you pay them after services?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jd2011;4754659]I would guess at 70%? You have to used a strong pimp hand. Tell them you've been robbed and scammed too often and that's how it's going to be. Show the money if you must but that's it. Most will be ok with it unless you look like a scammer. The ones that are not ok with it are mostly likely to rob you, cheat you out of time, or worse.[/QUOTE]Exactly. If someone visits with the appearance of a pimp, ghetto thug or anything along the lines of shady, that % drops to probably 0. If someone comes across with respect, well groomed, have a level of sophistication and a trustworthy appearance, not many, if any, will refuse unless, as you stated, their intent is to rob you.

Here's my take. While we have been all discussing the dangers of paying up front, I try to avoid this practice due to motivation.

My reason is psychological. I feel the service is better when you pay after a date than if you pay up front. The girls seem to loose their incentive for providing anything exceptional once the money is in their pocket. Even with established friends, I continue to pay after. I certainly tell them what they will get, and pay them what we agreed on at the end, but I keep the money until the deed is done. Over the years I have noticed better dates, longer dates, more effort and motivation using this method.

I cringe whenever they ask for it up front, feeling it will likely be a subpar appointment, and I'm usually correct. I certainly have had exceptions. And I've had friends that I've REGULARLY paid up front (after years of service) that always went without a hitch, but those seem to the exception, not the rule. In the end, I feel it serves as somewhat of a 'carrot on a stick' so to speak, to do a job well.

Just my thoughts.

[QUOTE=FunnyBoner;4754778]Here's my take. While we have been all discussing the dangers of paying up front, I try to avoid this practice due to motivation.

My reason is psychological. I feel the service is better when you pay after a date than if you pay up front. The girls seem to loose their incentive for providing anything exceptional once the money is in their pocket. Even with established friends, I continue to pay after. I certainly tell them what they will get, and pay them what we agreed on at the end, but I keep the money until the deed is done. Over the years I have noticed better dates, longer dates, more effort and motivation using this method.

I cringe whenever they ask for it up front, feeling it will likely be a subpar appointment, and I'm usually correct. I certainly have had exceptions. And I've had friends that I've REGULARLY paid up front (after years of service) that always went without a hitch, but those seem to the exception, not the rule. In the end, I feel it serves as somewhat of a 'carrot on a stick' so to speak, to do a job well.

Just my thoughts.[/QUOTE]Well said and very true. The mind is an interesting puzzle but one thing is with certainty, when someone is required to earn their keep, the performance increases. If they ask up front, I will not do so and explain why it is. If after that they refuse, I say thank you and leave. The gal who was adamant with no way also tried to get me to pay her $20 for wasting her time. LOL. I walked out and said "good luck with that" (my catchphrase).

[QUOTE=RayRaynor;4753205]Anyone know any motels that offer short stay up in southfield royal oak area? Someplace that isn't a fleabag?[/QUOTE]Garden Inn. On Groesbeck is by far the best in both cost and cleanliness. 32xx4 Groesbeck.

[QUOTE=TeeTime69;4754632]Re #1, the App is downloaded anonymously if you use a VPN. It also isn't associated with a phone number until you pick one.

Re #2 It is possible to have a WiFi connection from your car, whether a Chevy or Mercedes.

There are apps which use your cell phone and actually itemize calls on your bill. Avoid those. I use TextFree by Pinger.

[u]I suspect if massive resources are available, you can be identified. Just remember it's a misdemeanor[/u].[/QUOTE][B]I moved this to the general reports thread to keep from hijacking (going off topic) the escort thread.[/B]

1 - Even with a VPN you're still downloading it to your contract phone (the app it's self is still attached to your contract phone).

2 - Using your cars WiFi is just another added expense and another way for LE to find their way to your front door.

3 - Free apps (text and VPN) are the biggest PITA IMO. Paying for a WiFi and a VPN will cost 10 to 15 dollars a month and that's if you pay for 3 years upfront.

4 - This something that we can both agree on, it's a misdemeanor so LE isn't really going to invest the time and money to find you because you got a blowy from some crackhead named Sky in a cheap notel room. But let me ask you this, lets say something bad happened to Sky (the escort) after you left the room. Something like her pimp beating her to death or maybe she OD's, it's possible right? Now if heaven forbid that poor hooker did pass away, would you want the last number in her phone to be a number that could be traced back to you? Remember now it's a felony so LE just might put the time and money into finding you.

Again I'm not saying my way is better, I'm just saying it's better for me.

Safe Hunting.

[QUOTE=Concupiscent69;4754430]Though not directed to me, I would say, since I began this method, about 90%. I recall one gal who said noway and I said goodbye.

Just like any negotiating tactic, one must be willing to walk away when they don't agree with the results.[/QUOTE]Well I will applaud you for having a backbone and being willing to walk away. Too many guys say "fuck it I'm here" and hope for the best.

[QUOTE=Concupiscent69;4754759]Exactly. If someone visits with the appearance of a pimp, ghetto thug or anything along the lines of shady, that % drops to probably 0. If someone comes across with respect, well groomed, have a level of sophistication and a trustworthy appearance, not many, if any, will refuse unless, as you stated, their intent is to rob you.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jd2011;4754659]I would guess at 70%? You have to used a strong pimp hand. Tell them you've been robbed and scammed too often and that's how it's going to be. Show the money if you must but that's it. Most will be ok with it unless you look like a scammer. The ones that are not ok with it are mostly likely to rob you, cheat you out of time, or worse.[/QUOTE]Well maybe being a clean cut honest looking guy has it's advantages, I've never had a SP willing to let me pay after.

[QUOTE=TheTrackStar;4755416]Well I will applaud you for having a backbone and being willing to walk away. Too many guys say "fuck it I'm here" and hope for the best.[/QUOTE]I don't understand the difficulties with not having that ability. Many girls rely on that tactic, especially those who download fake photos. I have remained with some even though they posted fake photos cause they were still hot and resembled the photos. I learned some prefer not to show themselves on the internet, which is understandable. But this is my money paying for a commodity that is abundant. They need me more than I need them. Though, a waste of time, I'd rather be happy leaving with my money than to be pissed off at losing it for poor service or worse, being robbed.

[QUOTE=Concupiscent69;4755530][b]I don't understand the difficulties with not having that ability[/b]. Many girls rely on that tactic, especially those who download fake photos. I have remained with some even though they posted fake photos cause they were still hot and resembled the photos. I learned some prefer not to show themselves on the internet, which is understandable. But this is my money paying for a commodity that is abundant. They need me more than I need them. Though, a waste of time, I'd rather be happy leaving with my money than to be pissed off at losing it for poor service or worse, being robbed.[/QUOTE]IMO, it's because most guys never get laid so they don't have it in them to say no and walk away. When you have been with 100 plus women and you have a few reliable ones in your rolodex it's a lot easier to walk away.

[QUOTE=TheTrackStar;4756048]IMO, it's because most guys never get laid so they don't have it in them to say no and walk away. When you have been with 100 plus women and you have a few reliable ones in your rolodex it's a lot easier to walk away.[/QUOTE]Well said brother.