"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

SugarDaddyX.

Congrats on your success. You've got great info on her and can also keep tabs on her by checking her SA account. Did she log in yesterday? Has her account been inactive during the month you were banging her? At this point the biggest hurdle is to get her to the FC which you could probably do without any difficulty. If you find your efforts stalling though, and end up in the "strictly platonic mentor zone" then you can always drop the - "hey, have you ever considered the SB lifestyle"?

Now that you've established you're not a creepers who sends Dick pics, you're chances have gone up significantly.

In response to your other suggestion, about finding these SA girls in real life. See my prior post from 4/30. It's a great way to 1. Avoid SO concerns with credit card charges since its a lot easier to explain a credit card charge for a subscription to [URL]taskrabbit.com[/URL] than to seekingarrangrments. 2. Avoid being immediately associated with the stigma of being a SD creeper.

I had a prior post a few months back titled "moneybowl" that broke down the stats of messages with pots, to m&gs, and then FC trips. My experience is that getting to the FC is dramatically impacted postively when you get to the m&g. More recently, I've found that getting to the m&g is dramatically easier if you set up the first meet outside of SA.

Lots of girls toy with the idea of being a SB, bit when the rubber hits the road, the thought of sucking Dick for cash gives them cold feet because theyre too nervous. On the other hand, the idea that they are going to an interview for a "gig" job gets them excited for the work.

If you have a SA profile, the search functionality is free for all members even without a premium membership. Filter the search to your desired location and then use the free search term to find keyword like "nanny," "massage," or "cleaner. " Then run parallell searches on gig job sites in your area.

There is a much larger time committment but I've found the fees (if any) on the job sites are much lower. The risk of SO detection virually dissappears. It cuts out utr pros nearly completely from the equation. And the initial interview / m&g rate goes up to almost 100% - which means FC trips dramatically increase as well.

Recently I've been working the massuese circuit. I've found that 80 % of hot masseauses that don't offer extras are more than happy to be your "sb" once you make them laugh and they see you're not a gross fat pig, and ate a nice guy. Pet sitters, nannys, and cleaners are amazing as well.

Fish out.

Prior post from 4/30 below.

I've used a strategy akin to the one you've proposed with great success! My current rotation was filled / being filled this way, which is why I have't been active on the sugar sites. While there are downsides (e. G. Time commitment, unclear expectations, a confused pot), there are upsides (e. G. Lower likelihood of a utr, less likelihood of an SO asking why you're signed up on a sugar site, paper trail and credit card payment for a sugar site membership, etc.).

That being said, a CL ad isn't conducive to the method I've used (more on this later), but to the extent its helpful, here is the technique that I implemented, details on how I stumbled upon it, and how I came to be in my current situation.

After playing in the Bowl for a number of years now, almost all the SBs that I've gone through share one common quality. They are either students or have low paying service jobs. Most of the POTS / SBs I've encountered use SA as a means to supplement their existing income. Many of them are also signed up on various other service-job web-sites (e. G. TaskRabbit, etc.) which require them to post profiles with pictures. In my real life, I need the services that are provided by many of these different service-job related sites and while perusing the profiles of these young ladies looking for real life employment, I've come across more than quite a few profiles of young ladies who are also signed up on SA. Sure the names were different, but based on the pictures and locations, it was relatively simple to put two and two together.

I let my SA account expire, and created a new account on the service related job site I used (I can't publicly post the name of the service related job site I was using, since it would reveal more information than I'm comfortable with sharing publicly, but you're welcome to PM me for details). I then created a new profile, and filled it out using only information I used on my SA profile and attached it to an address that could only be generically associated with me (again, you're welcome to PM me for details). I paid for the subscription using a Vanilla Visa and linked all the phone information to my burner cell. Using the new account, that protected my real information, and which only used the same amount of information I've previously used on SA (with the exception of linking that profile to an address that can only be generically associated with me) I reached out to young ladies that I already knew were on SA. I then set up interviews accordingly. The interviews were essentially the same as M&G's and always set up at a coffee shop. The meetings allowed me to get a sense of the POTs, to see if they were young, eager and sweet. I was also able to verify whether pics were accurate in person. Most importantly, it let me develop rapport with the young ladies. I received responses from all the POTs I reached out to. During the meetings, after establishing rapport, I tested to see how comfortable they were with me. After the first 20 minutes, if the interaction was going well, I complimented them on something innocent, like their dress, their smile, their hair, and / or their eyes. All were asked to bring a copy of their resume to the interview, and if they reacted favorably to my compliments on their physical appearance, I asked them to pull out their resume so we could go over it together. At that point, I pulled my chair next to them to see how comfortable they were with me getting close to them physically. Five of the young ladies reacted very favorably to this, and this was the point where I initiated some very innocent physical contact. I'd ask them to point something out on their resume, and then complimented them on a ring or a bracelet they were wearing and would ask if I could take a closer look at it, while gently taking their hand in mine to get a better look. This resulted in more innocent physical contact. I set up second round interviews, and told them that because of my busy schedule, it would be easier to do the interview over dinner. In between the first and second round interviews, there were more occasional texts to build even more rapport. Two young ladies dropped out of the process at this point (maybe because my texts were too suggestive, but I prefer it this way to help avoid wasting my own time). The second round interviews were over dinner. And I also welcomed the three remaining ladies to each order as many drinks as they wanted. After a few drinks, and after each of the POTS became much more comfortable, the conversation became much more personal in nature at this point. As the conversation got more personal, I hinted at the lack of romance in my current relationship and how if I was younger, they would be the subject of my romantic interests. I also let them know that if things didn't work out with the job opportunity I had to offer, it wasn't because I didn't like them, but rather because my SO probably wouldn't be so comfortable with me working so closely with such an attractive young lady, but that regardless of the outcome, I wanted to maintain contact with them to help them out in whatever way I could.

After the second interview, I confirmed with all five that after my SO saw their picture and profile, she wasn't comfortable with how attractive they were. Three of the five dropped out at that point and have not actively responded to my last few texts (at least right now). Of the remaining two, one of the young ladies came out to me that she was on SA and asked me if a sugar relationship was something that I had ever considered. She is now actively in my rotation. Extremely low sugar allowance, where I help her out with things and provide her with nice gifts from time to time. She seems very happy to have found a way to establish a sugar relationship with someone who she thinks is a normal guy and someone she thinks she converted to a SD. Because she thinks she initiated the sugar relationship with a normal guy. I think she is happy to accept much less than what I would've normally offered to convert her to a SB. I also think that she got ultra competitive at the thought that my SO would've vetoed her for the real job I was offering, and this is her way of getting back at my SO (I purposely told them that my SO vetoed them because this sort of competition is something I expected).

I've met the second other young lady a few times since the second interview to provide mentorship and career advice. We've also gone out a few times for coffee, meals and drinks. Her comfort with me is growing and she routinely locks arms with me and gives me a hug and kiss before and after our time together. Within the next few weeks, I plan on telling her something along the lines of "this is really awkward, but I'm on SA and I think I found your profile there as well. I put my SA account in an hidden status because I hadn't had much luck recently with any of the ladies I met the past few month, but have really enjoyed our time together and wanted to see if you might be interested; since I've had a few good sugar relationships in the past, but they were mainly with young ladies like yourself ".

As previously mentioned, there are lots of downsides. It takes a lot of work to cross reference profiles. I also would never try the approach with a lady who isn't already on a sugar site. If you don't live in a major city, the cross over between a regular service job website and a sugar site are probably very low. Despite the downsides, I've found the payoff and upside to be what I'm looking for. Generally UTRs or pros are not going to also be looking for a real jobs. Making contact via another web-site, outside of the world of sugar sites allows me to message these POTs, and their subscription fees are often much lower than the fees of the sugar sites. At the end of the day, that's why we're paying SA and the other sugar sites. To give us a means to make contact with POTs, right? It also means that I don't have to worry about a POTs background information. Since most of these job service sites do a background verification anyway. Additionally, I'm able to protect all my real information and be about as anonymous as I was on SA since the service job site I use protects the information of the individuals who are offering jobs.

A few caveats that might make my situation different than yours. First, you need to find a service related job that has profile picture of the potential employee so you can cross reference profiles and reach out to them. Which CL doesn't offer. After playing in the bowl for a few years, I'm very comfortable in my game, which is why interacting with these young ladies at the first and second interviews was very easy for me. Also, having spent so much time on SA previously, I'm familiar with many of the profiles, and only need to check newly created profiles for cross referencing pictures now. As it pertains to POTs being attracted to me, I'm younger than 40, in decent shape, and have been told that I'm relatively easy on the eyes.

Based on your posts, it seems like you've got a plan and intend to execute it. Frankly I'm of the opinion that every decision comes with trade-offs and at the end of the day, each individual has to perform his / her own risk / reward analysis. To those that would tell you that your plan is flawed because of too many downsides. I would respond by telling them that they mustn't be afraid to dream a little bigger.

Good luck and happy hunting. Hopefully you or others will find the information above useful. If you implement the technique I've used, or a version of it, I'd be interested to hear about your successes or failures, since I suspect that information would be useful to me, to help refine my own techniques.

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IluvSmellyFish.

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Originally Posted by ShaggyD. I appreciate you'll taking the time for advising and giving your inputs on strategy. JL, I'm not as eloquent with the phrasing of the ad, you have a gift, but I did use words that hint at this not being a typical job, include was, in not the same words, a requirement to be my companion for varied social activities, travel and alone time, required physical characteristic, intelligence level, age range and preference on college girls. I believe that is what peaks the curiosity and has enabled the M&Gs. They are fully aware on the job requirements long before we get to that point. I think the pond I'm fishing in is the girls who have thought or are curious about being a SB, but don't want to do it publicly on a site. The young lady who backed out of the arrangement still texts me all the time, I just think she was not fully comfortable and is building that comfort now. I'm going to make another run at her soon. After reading the feedback, I do see how this is a more difficult and maybe cumbersome approach, but these girls are top of the line and new to the game, my problem is I don't have enough game to close, but I'm learning quickly. I am on SA, but most of the girls are pro's, utr, or gps in my area. I've had a few fresh SBs, but the time and effort weeding them out is as difficult as my other approach. Getting laid by a low volume utr is not a problem, I'm looking for something with less mileage.

Thanks brothers, really appreciate all the feedback, valuable stuff in this game.

Originally Posted by Ltnric. I agree, using a SB site does cut the red tape by a lot. However, I have met a few SB off of a SB site and they were very sweet and you can tell they haven't done this.

Before. Then at the last minute they get cold feet. I was lucky enough to take a cute young college girl to the Fuck Chamber a few times and not pay for it.

However, she eventually got cold feet. So bottom line is going to a SB site does cut the red tape but there are some SB on those sites that may get cold feet.

However, I am very interested in your ad approach. I may have to test that one. I did do something similar a few months back. I put an ad on CL looking for a "dating coach".

I actually got two responses but when they sent me their pic I had to pass. LOL What other ideas have people tried. This could be an interesting topic.

[QUOTE=SugarDaddyX;2989377]Well, after thinking about this a lot, I ended up pursuing her in person. I figured if I went through the website, she would group me with all the creeps and guys sending dick pics. She would also want a high allowance in line with what guys are telling to (lying to) her on the website. I figured if I went up to her in person, I could get free or low cost pussy. If I got shot down, oh well, she's probably like most women on the sugar websites anyway: flaky or GPS.

I went in two nights later to her restaurant and the hostess put me in another waitress's section, so I made an excuse about not being able to see the tv and put myself in the SB's section. I said stuff to her like, "You're too beautiful to be working here" and "I'd be chasing you if I was ten years younger". I smiled way too much and made her laugh. When the bill game, I told her if she would like to get ice cream or drinks this week to text me. I left my burn number on the receipt with my sugar alias, then threw a crisp Ulysses Grant beneath it. She texted me a few hours later and we are set to meet up tomorrow at one of the local dive bars (not many upscale options in a small town). She does have a boyfriend, but he seems like a total loser. At this point, I am thinking she just wants to be with a guy who has his shit together, and I might be able to get to the FC with little bread spent.

I am thinking this might be a great strategy. If you can figure out where girls on SD4 M and SA work, approach them in person. Their mindset will be different, and they can't flake / ignore.

SDX.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2992870] Regular Docs do not know the hormone replacement business and certainly not the erection correction other than to dole out Vit V. Specialty clinics actually know a lot more about the options. [/QUOTE]I suspect there is a wide range of legitimacy among specialty clinics, and overall I can easily believe that a good clinic is more informed about the options than the average family practice doctor. Just know that in pretty much every major city, there are doctors who specialize in men's health, ED and aging related issues. So, if you just go to a doc that is accustomed to doing nothing but prescribing V, then yes that's probably all he will do. But if you look around / ask around you can definitely find a doctor that ticks what I call the right boxes, which are indicators that he does not directly profit from his recommendation to you (I. E. Get kickbacks for Androgel, T injections and so forth). I look for a doctor that puts his name on his practice (I. E. His reputation is on the line). He sends his bloodwork off to a reputable lab rather than performing the analysis in-house. Whenever a place becomes a "one-stop shop" for T replacement therapy, the opportunities for scam begin to climb.

One strategy I have heard is to start out at one of these clinics because they are gung-ho about getting you on the TRT as quickly as possible (they want to hear that cha-ching sound from the cash register). And, once you are on it, it makes it harder for your regular doc to say you don't need it because he can no longer validly test your bloodwork. Either you are on the TRT at the time of the lab test (in which case your results will be artificially elevated), or you quit the TRT for a few weeks prior to your new tests (which will cause your T level to fall through the floor, making it artificially depleted). I'm guessing that most doctors, in the face of this dilemma, will just go ahead and prescribe whatever has been working for you (at least this seems to be the approach that some guys take, as I've seen others discussing this on reddit and such).

But it's important to point out that at this point, the patient is already playing god with their future health. The medical / scientific community does not know the long-term effects of tampering with our testosterone levels. Bioidentical hormones are believed to have less potential for side effect than anabolic steroids (which we all know can have some nasty long-term effects, it might even turn a guy from a Bruce Jenner into a Caitlyn Jenner long term), but just because they come from natural sources (remember so does heroin) do not mean that using them is natural for the body, it's just not. The only way to increase your T levels naturally is through exercise and proper diet. The history of biological science has proven that when the body is pushed farther in one direction than it's ability to go via natural means, some other aspect of the body will respond in some way (expected or unexpected). Right now those body responses from bioidentical hormones are not yet fully understood. One of the big complaints from folks interested in T therapy is that their regular doctor tells them "don't do it". Well, there's a reason for that. He is following the general advice of the medical community, the segment that does not have a built-in profit motive in getting you hooked on T therapy. How can you not love a for-profit healthcare system! LOL.

So, I'm not discouraging the use of men's clinics, but I will say that if going down this road, I definitely encourage finding a clinic or specialist that literally puts his name on his practice and even his face on his website, and his reputation and medical license on the line -- and sends your lab work to a separate, reputable lab for unbiased testing (for your own peace of mind if nothing else). I looked into a few of these clinics once upon a time, and I found that most of them were owned and founded by guys with sketchy backgrounds, who had never had a medical degree (probably any other degree for that matter) in their life, yet they have a job title of "medical director" of the clinic. I wouldn't want decisions about my health driven by some marketing shyster that got into the business just because its the latest profitable fad, and in a few years he'll be back to selling amway or some other pyramid scheme. I researched one guy that was the founder of one of these clinic franchises and he had so many ripoff reports from a variety of different non-medical related businesses, that the whole research exercise became funny. Again not saying all clinics are like this, just that one should research them well, know who their doctor is and make sure he's going to be there for future visits. No musical chairs with doctors (scam indication).

If I had legitimately low T (tested properly), I'd probably look into TRT but I would do so cautiously and only if exercise wasn't helping. I don't know why exercise always seems like the last thing reached for. Girls like a hard dick but they like it a whole lot better when its attached to an in-shape body that has relentless sexual energy via exercise.

[QUOTE=JustLonely;2992733]Thanks Jeez for the extensive reply. It was helpful. When I asked my doc about low T last year when I went to see about switching from Viagra to Cialis, he just said I didn't have enough symptoms to worry about low T. Now that you mention it I didn't have any problem when I was kayaking and bike riding a lot. Working two jobs put an end to having time for that. Maybe I should get back to working out as you say. Side effects of a treatment program don't sound good.[/QUOTE]Those are great exercises, the only issue is that they are mostly dependent on weather conditions, and as you said by the time you start juggling the rest of life and work, then trying to schedule outdoor exercise around it, it can be tough. That's one thing I like about gym membership (no concern about weather or amount of daylight left etc). Also there is usually plenty of eye candy at the gym, its motivates me in ways that outdoor sports cannot.

About your doctor, just remember you're entitled to a second opinion. He may be trying to save you money (i.e. if your symptoms don't justify the lab work, your insurance might call them unnecessary and not pay), but testing your T levels in the morning is the only way to really know. If he's not willing to do that you might find one that is.

BTW, if I didn't have a SO, housecleaners would be great. Can't tell you how many hot latinas or working class white teens I could've banged after a little chit chat once they arrived to clean the house. Would've saved on the hotel cost too.

Alas, I wouldn't dare to try though. As I've previously posted, the cost of divorce is higher than the cost of a hotel.

It would be great if I could though since I could have the pipes cleaned, literally and figuratively!

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2993177]BTW, if I didn't have a SO, housecleaners would be great. Can't tell you how many hot latinas or working class white teens I could've banged after a little chit chat once they arrived to clean the house. Would've saved on the hotel cost too.

Alas, I wouldn't dare to try though. As I've previously posted, the cost of divorce is higher than the cost of a hotel.

It would be great if I could though since I could have the pipes cleaned, literally and figuratively![/QUOTE]LOL my only thought to this is George Costanza.

So I am having the same problem. I purchased a Visa Gift Card (not One vanilla) and it won't go through. It keeps getting declined. I remember last year I didn't have any problems with Vanilla One Visa and I was thinking of getting one but now that I am reading this post I am having second thoughts. What are we supposed to do if we can't use Gift Cards? I am almost tempted to use my PayPal account but that isn't any better than using your real Credit Card! What the fuck! Would love to hear if anyone is having any success with using gift cards to sign up for SA. Also, when you register your GC are you all using fake addresses? I mean real addresses just not your own?

[QUOTE=Ltnric;2993889]So I am having the same problem. I purchased a Visa Gift Card (not One vanilla) and it won't go through. It keeps getting declined. I remember last year I didn't have any problems with Vanilla One Visa and I was thinking of getting one but now that I am reading this post I am having second thoughts. What are we supposed to do if we can't use Gift Cards? I am almost tempted to use my PayPal account but that isn't any better than using your real Credit Card! What the fuck! Would love to hear if anyone is having any success with using gift cards to sign up for SA. Also, when you register your GC are you all using fake addresses? I mean real addresses just not your own?[/QUOTE]My suggestion is have customer service run it through and if that doesn't work mail a money order.

[QUOTE=Ltnric;2993889]So I am having the same problem. I purchased a Visa Gift Card (not One vanilla) and it won't go through. It keeps getting declined. I remember last year I didn't have any problems with Vanilla One Visa and I was thinking of getting one but now that I am reading this post I am having second thoughts. What are we supposed to do if we can't use Gift Cards? I am almost tempted to use my PayPal account but that isn't any better than using your real Credit Card! What the fuck! Would love to hear if anyone is having any success with using gift cards to sign up for SA. Also, when you register your GC are you all using fake addresses? I mean real addresses just not your own?[/QUOTE]As I understand from my recent troubles, you really want do go with the prepaid debit cards, instead of gift cards. The OneVanilla Visa worked for me via PayPal, but if you can find a OneVanilla MasterCard it might have a better chance. What I did was crazy. I was on SA and selected the PayPal option. I was taken to a page to log into PayPal, and my SD email was pre-entered. I don't have a PayPal account under that address. I went ahead and established one, which I was able to do with the SD address and (importantly) zip code I use. I also use my SD cell phone # (real). Anyway, it allowed this without validating the address, asking for bank info, or SSN. I then deposited my debit card into that new PayPal account, and then I used it to pay my SA fees. Who knows if this will work next month. I told the customer service at SA about what I did and they were so grateful they added a week onto my membership.

Although the upside is that you've got a cleaning lady there on site to take care of the mess that's left behind.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;2993258]LOL my only thought to this is George Costanza.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ltnric;2993889]So I am having the same problem. I purchased a Visa Gift Card (not One vanilla) and it won't go through. It keeps getting declined. I remember last year I didn't have any problems with Vanilla One Visa and I was thinking of getting one but now that I am reading this post I am having second thoughts. What are we supposed to do if we can't use Gift Cards? I am almost tempted to use my PayPal account but that isn't any better than using your real Credit Card! What the fuck! Would love to hear if anyone is having any success with using gift cards to sign up for SA. Also, when you register your GC are you all using fake addresses? I mean real addresses just not your own?[/QUOTE]It could be that SA (or more likely their credit card processor) has started to use AVS (Address verification). This could be just the zip code, and / or the street.

Many of the gift cards allow you to set an address / zip code via their web site. If you're having problems renewing, and you've not done that I'd suggest setting a bogus address / zip and then using those for the renewal. If it doesn't go through, then the problem isn't AVS related.

EDIT: I just tried the above. My card from last month (vanilla visa) was on file and still has enough to cover another month. I hit renew and no luck. Something has definitely changed in the last 30 days.

There was definitely a change made over the last 30 days. The good news is here is all I had to do to use a OneVanilla prepaid visa card I got at CVS.

1) select pay with PayPal.

2) don't create an account, just check out as guest.

3) name I used Gift Card.

4) address any valid address and zip in the town I had my profile in. I just used 1 Main St. Just go to [URL]USPS.com[/URL] to find a valid zip for the town, st.

5) for phone I entered my area code and 999-9999.

6) email I used my SA email.

7) decline creating an account.

It processed it with no problem.

Happy hunting.

[QUOTE=M9999;2995247]There was definitely a change made over the last 30 days. The good news is here is all I had to do to use a OneVanilla prepaid visa card I got at CVS.

1) select pay with PayPal.

2) don't create an account, just check out as guest.

3) name I used Gift Card.

4) address any valid address and zip in the town I had my profile in. I just used 1 Main St. Just go to [URL]USPS.com[/URL] to find a valid zip for the town, st.

5) for phone I entered my area code and 999-9999.

6) email I used my SA email.

7) decline creating an account.

It processed it with no problem.

Happy hunting.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the information. When you clicked on the PayPal and check out as a guest which tab did you choose "Debit or Credit Card" or "Gift Card" or "PayPal Credit"? I am guessing it is one of the first two.

[QUOTE=Ltnric;2995943]Thanks for the information. When you clicked on the PayPal and check out as a guest which tab did you choose "Debit or Credit Card" or "Gift Card" or "PayPal Credit"? I am guessing it is one of the first two.[/QUOTE]Just wanted to give M9 a big thank you. I followed your instructions and they worked perfectly! Thanks.

Ok gentlemen I'm still having trouble with using the prepaid cards through PayPal. Every time I get the info put in and go to finish up it says my session has timed out and to log in again. Now I'm trying to get through without logging in and it happens both on my comp and phone. I'm not being slow with entering the info so it should not time out. What can I do to resolve this issue? Thanks.

Never mind. I got it to work. I did make another PayPal account under my monger name and used my phones data connection where I was using my wifi. I'm guessing my internet (satellite) is just too slow.