Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[QUOTE=CurvyCrissy; 1587950]For the record, I have never complained or posted on this forum I haven't needed to but I was texted by a client and or friend of mine who knew I have been with family due to a Halloween Baby being Born! . So I get a copy paste sent to me and I'm amazed at what I seen. _- Originally Posted by TM*24.

I am glad that you had this experience however, she gave me the run around with her partner Michelle hey been around for a while and both of them are no good. Same story with with Michelle. <-_- Now I don't give people the run around. To say someone is "no good" with out seeing them is more than a person would know if never had any experience with them. I can see where you would assume that but I would think the run around would be a bunch of excuses or telling you Yes I'll get you in an never doing it. I simply said over and over that I was booked. Technically unless watching my house a person would never know the difference. I just wanted to say on here that I put very specifically in my ad that I do not accept black men and I know I never seen this client because after being shown his other posting. 15 posts starting on only October 10, 2012 and we are currently November 4th. 2012 is a lot of money spent on 15 different providers in only 3 weeks time, thats like seeing a provider once every other day! Now out of 15 post the client has posted 11 bad reviews. Picky yet rich? Maybe, doubtful but maybe. I know I never seen this client because one of his post states he is Black. He states he is in his own post As shown here. _- Regular Member. Reports 15- TM*24. My deam is good What is up with all the no African American ads, a bratha got a need too. I'm not going to pay you with wooden nickels, and yeah I maybe a little bit more charismatic then some others, but really my green is good too and I just have needs like other people. <- I am really confused? How does someone say things about people they have never met? Not to mention the review he is writing in reply to was 3 weeks old? I responded by saying the truth, every client deserves to get paired with a provider who is comfortable with him, treats him good and won't scam him. I also think that providers who accept money from a client knowing good darn well you are scared of him or for any reason uncomfortable with him. Just be nice and say I can't get you in. No need to offend a client or make them feel less than. Don't take their money$ knowing you'll do a poor job. But then another client reminded me how it wasn't just said I gave the run around which I always said I was booked nothing more. He also said I and my Partner and I don't even have one! Was NO Good? Now if a Provider made a comment to another provider about a client being say "Aggressive or dirty or Pushy or Violent!" He'd find it hard to get in with anyone because it would ruin his name right? And we would pay the price with a Backlash of things said to ruin our Rep. So why would a person do that? For a client who is known for posting B. S. And more bad reviews than good. They say if you feel like something is wrong with everyone you meet, it probably isn't them![/QUOTE]I think that maybe, the facts are s little misconstrued. For the record I have never seen Christina because I never got the chance. Michele I saw on two separate occasions and both where not any good. The first time she liked shocked I should have just left but, she invited me in so I thought ok. Big mistake! Shame on me. The second time I contacted her by accident I thought she was some one else. Again shew invited me in after I was ready to leave and I went in and bingo same thing. The site you two are talking about doesn't mention racial preference anywhere. You two would not be the first to post no black men, trust me. I just was reporting on my experience who casts about my experience, other black hobbyist. They get it, just please move on. You are not for me I get it, m moving on.

Thanks

Why now all of a sudden are we getting new providers who are not posting pics and then they turn around and want us to verify who we are? I unstand the saftey of the provider and that not the problem. But when you post no pic and ask for fee higher then the providers that do post pics and have had good reviews. The only thing I say to to the new providers is the best of luck.

This isn't a rant or rave, just wasn't sure to post this. But, does anyone else have a difficult time logging it. Seems like (at least me) it's a hit or miss as to weather I can log in under my name.

Thanks,

SoloHunter

[QUOTE=SoloHunter; 1599338]This isn't a rant or rave, just wasn't sure to post this. But, does anyone else have a difficult time logging it. Seems like (at least me) it's a hit or miss as to weather I can log in under my name.

Thanks,

SoloHunter[/QUOTE]I can log in just fine

Dear Ally, you need a website to post all these pics of yours on. You are a damned fine looker. Just a suggestion.

[QUOTE=Sinful Dreams; 1601650]Sweetie I have one. It's my name. I can't post it because it gets seen as an ad. But it's Sinful Dream all together. Com Thanks for the compliments hun.

Ally[/QUOTE]I figured as much. I'll definately be checking it out!

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No experience personally but will miss the intel. To be in this business for decades and not one run in with LE is quite an accomplishment. Stealth instincts will be missed. Hope he changes mind but if not, happy and long retirement,UTR. JG

In the words of Jim Rome, have a take and don't suck! I've amazed by the boards depth and breath of information if we keep to Jim Rome's wisdom the forum with be a better place any suggestion on where to post on perfomers who have gone south?

[QUOTE=SmlqqKing;1608832]In the words of Jim Rome, have a take and don't suck! I've amazed by the boards depth and breath of information if we keep to Jim Rome's wisdom the forum with be a better place any suggestion on where to post on perfomers who have gone south?[/QUOTE]Just had posted to workinghard about being in the escort only section talking smack about the providers. It like what the fuck you got nothing better to do with you life then come on here and talk shit. And like what he gods gift to women? If that the case why does he come here to this board. But at a loss right now on way to improve the boards.

[QUOTE=SmlqqKing;1608832]In the words of Jim Rome, have a take and don't suck! I've amazed by the boards depth and breath of information if we keep to Jim Rome's wisdom the forum with be a better place any suggestion on where to post on perfomers who have gone south?[/QUOTE]Its like the great lyricist, Marshall Bruce Mathers III, a. K. A. EMIN&398; M.

Look, if you had one shot, one opportunity.

To seize everything you ever wanted in one moment.

One screw up on this board, capitalist or consumer the forum any possible trust diminsishes.

The reason is as honest and straightforward, USA is at its core is about great content combined with earning great references. Sharing openly, honestly and adding value to our experiences with content is far more likely to produce happy returns on our investment in the form of networking, reputation, references and customers than staying closed and secretive. Participation in a ecosystem almost always yields more value than hoarding secret discoveries, particularly when those same secrets are being shared elsewhere on a gigantic, relatively level playing field.

But let's say you're completely unfamiliar with the field. You need secondary cues signals that help you sort the wheat from the chaff. I love watching patterns, this site follows a marvelous statistical pattern which is called a confidence curves, yeah google it if you wish but I will give you the cliff notes version. It basically shows that the longer you are in a group the higher your confidence with members thus potentially the higher the number of referrals.

To boil it down two thoughts trustworthy and untrustworthy. Deception as a rule always leaves clues behind of its true nature. Deceptive self-presentations online will leave linguistic traces in the textual portion of the your messages. These traces include both nonconsciously leaked cues and strategic cues; however, they are largely unavailable to people trying to detect deception, you wasnt to believe in the myth. Where do I think I fall on the confidence curve? Not everyone does and they should. It's just like looking in the mirror or being able to lay your head down on the pillow at night with a clear conscience.

It begins with treating your members as the most important person on this forum. Yet this past day I have had had two cancel meetings with me for today and tomorrow. Yes, the first thing I checked was my breath and BO! Some did not even bother to call they just sent an email. I guess my time is not worth as much as theirs. The time I set aside for these meetings is time that I can be doing real work. So instead I did paperwork today and got on the phone to set up some more appointments for tomorrow.

The best part is that two of these that cancelled have been after me to get them into new clients, tell my fellow members about them Now I ask you, can I honestly refer them in good faith to anyone? I mean honestly! Each time they cancel or reschedule a meeting don't they know they are losing creditability with me! Or don't they care?

Thoughts this may help newbies

[QUOTE=SmlqqKing; 1609906]Its like the great lyricist, Marshall Bruce Mathers III, a. K. A. EMIN&398; M.

Look, if you had one shot, one opportunity.

To seize everything you ever wanted in one moment.

One screw up on this board, capitalist or consumer the forum any possible trust diminsishes.

The reason is as honest and straightforward, USA is at its core is about great content combined with earning great references. Sharing openly, honestly and adding value to our experiences with content is far more likely to produce happy returns on our investment in the form of networking, reputation, references and customers than staying closed and secretive. Participation in a ecosystem almost always yields more value than hoarding secret discoveries, particularly when those same secrets are being shared elsewhere on a gigantic, relatively level playing field.

But let's say you're completely unfamiliar with the field. You need secondary cues signals that help you sort the wheat from the chaff. I love watching patterns, this site follows a marvelous statistical pattern which is called a confidence curves, yeah google it if you wish but I will give you the cliff notes version. It basically shows that the longer you are in a group the higher your confidence with members thus potentially the higher the number of referrals.

To boil it down two thoughts trustworthy and untrustworthy. Deception as a rule always leaves clues behind of its true nature. Deceptive self-presentations online will leave linguistic traces in the textual portion of the your messages. These traces include both nonconsciously leaked cues and strategic cues; however, they are largely unavailable to people trying to detect deception, you wasnt to believe in the myth. Where do I think I fall on the confidence curve? Not everyone does and they should. It's just like looking in the mirror or being able to lay your head down on the pillow at night with a clear conscience.

It begins with treating your members as the most important person on this forum. Yet this past day I have had had two cancel meetings with me for today and tomorrow. Yes, the first thing I checked was my breath and BO! Some did not even bother to call they just sent an email. I guess my time is not worth as much as theirs. The time I set aside for these meetings is time that I can be doing real work. So instead I did paperwork today and got on the phone to set up some more appointments for tomorrow.

The best part is that two of these that cancelled have been after me to get them into new clients, tell my fellow members about them Now I ask you, can I honestly refer them in good faith to anyone? I mean honestly! Each time they cancel or reschedule a meeting don't they know they are losing creditability with me! Or don't they care?[/QUOTE]Dude, Jim Rome is an egomaniac! Why would you want to be him?

[QUOTE=SmlqqKing;1608832]In the words of Jim Rome, have a take and don't suck! I've amazed by the boards depth and breath of information if we keep to Jim Rome's wisdom the forum with be a better place any suggestion on where to post on perfomers who have gone south?[/QUOTE]In terms of having a better board, is a satisfactory explanation of why smlqqking at one point this year dismissed Candice as having herpes sores and then later said he'd given her a try and found her to be OK, with a definite suggestion that he'd never seen her before.

And just to be clear here, I do not mean to validate the original accusation regarding herpes, because I have no idea whatsoever whether it's true.

The other question that comes to mind is why smlqqking at times in the past appeared to be semi-literate at best and now suddenly has discovered the ability to write intelligibly.

These are all frankly mysteries to me, but I'm pretty sure he hasn't personally added much to the quality of discourse on this board.

So are we going back to provider vs. Provider antagonism?

If one provider chooses to run her enterprise in a way that is different than yours, it shouldn't matter. It's their choice.

So many caustic remarks makes me think that business must be slow, and the aggravation is showing on the forums.

Never fear-hopefully we will all be nicey-nice after the strain of the holidays is over.

Until then, happy holidays to all, gent's-go bust some nuts, and ladies, rack in that cash!

Kisses,

MM

Ok I do not normally post alot, but this is something that I feel needs to be addressed. Upon scheduling a client, I asked for a ref, was given a few names, after contacting the women given, I decided to schedule the gentleman to find out later he was contacted by the provider questioning him as to why he was seeing someone else? I have no issues with my clients seeing someone else, variety is what this is about. We are not married and our clients shouldn't have to explain why they are seeing someone new. I have never came across this before, everyone I have ever contacted has been very good about giving a ref, as it should be. No need for our clients to get questioned, if they want to try someone else, in my mind there shouldn't be a problem. Ok my rant for the day.

Happy hunting everyone, stay safe and keep it fun!

Rhonda

[QUOTE=HelpMeRhonda; 1611273]Ok I do not normally post alot, but this is something that I feel needs to be addressed. Upon scheduling a client, I asked for a ref, was given a few names, after contacting the women given, I decided to schedule the gentleman to find out later he was contacted by the provider questioning him as to why he was seeing someone else? I have no issues with my clients seeing someone else, variety is what this is about. We are not married and our clients shouldn't have to explain why they are seeing someone new. I have never came across this before, everyone I have ever contacted has been very good about giving a ref, as it should be. No need for our clients to get questioned, if they want to try someone else, in my mind there shouldn't be a problem. Ok my rant for the day.

Happy hunting everyone, stay safe and keep it fun!

Rhonda[/QUOTE]I totally agree Rhonda-this is unacceptable behavior. If the client wanted to see that provider in the first place, they would have called her first. I have also heard numerous complaints from clients about unsolicited calls / texts to clients from provider (s) asking the client to 'come see them, to make and appointment, etc. ' And I have heard that this is happening to clients that the provider has never even seen before thru pms, emails, etc. First of all, some clients may be married, attached, etc. And do not need to explain random texts / calls / etc. And this is a buyer's market-if that person wants to see you, then they will call. This is NOT a business set-up for random telemarketing-all it does it show how desperate that provider is for business, either because business is slow, the provider is high-volume and extremely money-hungry, or that they have a horridly expensive drug addiction to fill.

Just my rant for the day. Maybe after two rants, I need to STFU LOL.

Thanks for listening.

Kisses,

MMD

[QUOTE=HelpMeRhonda; 1611273]Ok I do not normally post alot, but this is something that I feel needs to be addressed. Upon scheduling a client, I asked for a ref, was given a few names, after contacting the women given, I decided to schedule the gentleman to find out later he was contacted by the provider questioning him as to why he was seeing someone else? I have no

I erased a tiny lines only to help shorten this,

I don't "completely agree". I DO agree that the client should never be called or questioned! That is an absolute! Also I don't think it's ok to contact a client first anyway, only in reply! With that out the way I don't agree with variety being the main reason here or that we should except it in anyway, the only reason I say that is because of health reasons, safety reasons, etc. Personally if I see a client has left a review for every Asian massage parlors grand opening, he will always be told I'm booked, if I see a client has left more than 2 reviews on seperate girls after seeing me, I will also sit him on the back burner. Most client don't give you their handles out but I can usually tell if good detail is givin on a review of me whom wrote it, I also have had clients on this site mention at their nxt visit that a client on here wrote things that he has done in a very unsafe way, they will suggest I not see that client and also thro in there that they won't see a girl who sees the guys who play dirty. Even for girls like me who don't offer full service or massage with no extras, you can't give a massage with rubber gloves on an hand sanitizer only goes so far. But like I said! Every client has a right to choose, an no provider should EVER question a client! I am only saying for myself, an a few clients who have mentioned other clients that there is ALOT of us who don't like the idea of those who can't find a good one an stay there, if the clients needs change or the provider stops delivering the required results, or for clients who have a favorite girl in each field, I do hav a client or few whom I'm their masseuse yet they have a girl they see for needs I can't fulfill, they have a girl in different states they frequent, now obviously this is different. They are welcome to see others on that issue, I also never tell the bouncing client that I'll nvr see thm I only say I'm booked. I would nvr hurt anyone's feelings or make them feel judged because its not for those reasons, it's purely for safety on my self an my other clients. If a client bounces too much in one field an gets HOT, or starts being watched, he could lead LE to a girl who was UTR simply by playing the field too much. But again, nvr question them, nvr judge them, but do look out for yourself. Hope this opinion won't offend no one.

Both of you ladies are right.

Desperation does not get you business. It clearly shows exactly what Molly stated. It is Christmas time, things will get slow. If a client wants to come see you, he will. Bugging someone, blowing up their text, etc won't bring them to your door. Advertisement, creativity, sexiness. Those are just a few things that will bring a client to your door. Also, think about traveling a bit. Get some variety in your life as well. Perhaps even get a real regular part time job to supplement your income. There are certain times of the year when hobbying is slow. All of us ladies go through it.

Such as when a new lady hits the scene, everyone wants to try her. It's expected and natural.

Never nag a gentleman. They sometimes get enough of that at home or in the committed relationship that they might be in.

Also, they do NOT have to explain why they are seeing a new lady. Variety is nice. IF they really enjoy you and their time with you, they will come back to you. No worries. They see ladies like us so they don't have to deal with us outside of the bedroom. Nagging them or questioning them about seeing someone else will only do one thing, scare them away.

I've noticed that some providers will make comments as to how things should be done, etc. What's the best approach for one provider might not be the best approach for another. Downing another provider or making comments about how another provider runs her business is just cattiness and uncalled for. We all do what works best for us and if we happen to do things a little differently than another, who cares. It's not effecting your money or business so don't worry about it.

The drama is at times ridiculous. Sure, there are times when I would like to pipe in and say something in regards to someone posting childishness or negativity, but I don't. Why? Well, because it only leads to more drama. It does effect how gentlemen view you and it can be the deciding factor as to if someone will choose to see you or not. So, in the end it's best to just shut up. I've learned that. Or maybe I am just becoming more mature with each passing year. LOL.

Same goes for the gentlemen, if a lady sees you post drama, or unneeded remarks regarding or towards another, we may decide that you are not someone we would like to share our time with. There are a few guys here at usasg that post and based on what I have read by them, if they were to contact me regarding an appointment, I would decline. If you lack respect, or if you are a guy who likes to post anything and everything, you aren't someone I wish to see. Yes, sometimes money just isn't worth it.

Let's all be nice and enjoy the time of giving and happiness.

In the season of giving:

There is a giving tree in the mall for the salvation army. The next time you are there, grab one and go buy something for a child who needs it. Or just drop a small gift / toy into one of those boxes at the department / grocery stores.

I sometimes spend money on ridiculous things and I'd much rather give a few bucks or a toy to a child. I'll feel good knowing I am helping to provide smiles to that kid at Christmas time.

Happy Holidays to All,

Dawn

[QUOTE=MollyDaniels; 1611668]I totally agree Rhonda-this is unacceptable behavior. If the client wanted to see that provider in the first place, they would have called her first. I have also heard numerous complaints from clients about unsolicited calls / texts to clients from provider (s) asking the client to 'come see them, to make and appointment, etc. ' And I have heard that this is happening to clients that the provider has never even seen before thru pms, emails, etc. First of all, some clients may be married, attached, etc. And do not need to explain random texts / calls / etc. And this is a buyer's market-if that person wants to see you, then they will call. This is NOT a business set-up for random telemarketing-all it does it show how desperate that provider is for business, either because business is slow, the provider is high-volume and extremely money-hungry, or that they have a horridly expensive drug addiction to fill.

Just my rant for the day. Maybe after two rants, I need to STFU LOL.

Thanks for listening.

Kisses,

MMD[/QUOTE]I also agree I do not save numbers unless asked however I have different code words and such that lets me know whom I am speaking to thru text if on phone I generally just recognize their voice when I give a reference and I have for many of you and I truely am happy to help the gentleman lets me know he needs the reference most of the time. I think a provider should never question a client about his choice of providers I find it classless behavior nor ever contact the client to see them that is messing with someones life and it's wrong. It bothered me that someone had done this so I just wanted to add my thoughts to!

That my dear, is why I stopped taking Provider References as screening 2 years ago. So much drama involved in asking another provider for a ref. When I started providing in GA & AL in 09 (very young and inexperienced) I asked a client for a ref from a well known girl. Called her to confirm everything was a ok, she denied she EVER met him not once but twice. I told said client his reference denied knowing him. He called her on 3 way with me an hour later & told her thanks for the wonderful session, low and behöld she starts talking about how much fun he was and how she enjoyed his company AFTER DENYING she'd ever seen him. I learned that day. PhoneRegistry, Spokeo, Intellius, and Google are all I use for screening now.

[QUOTE=HelpMeRhonda; 1611273]Ok I do not normally post alot, but this is something that I feel needs to be addressed. Upon scheduling a client, I asked for a ref, was given a few names, after contacting the women given, I decided to schedule the gentleman to find out later he was contacted by the provider questioning him as to why he was seeing someone else? I have no issues with my clients seeing someone else, variety is what this is about. We are not married and our clients shouldn't have to explain why they are seeing someone new. I have never came across this before, everyone I have ever contacted has been very good about giving a ref, as it should be. No need for our clients to get questioned, if they want to try someone else, in my mind there shouldn't be a problem. Ok my rant for the day.

Happy hunting everyone, stay safe and keep it fun!

Rhonda[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Lugnutz; 1610501]In terms of having a better board, is a satisfactory explanation of why smlqqking at one point this year dismissed Candice as having herpes sores and then later said he'd given her a try and found her to be OK, with a definite suggestion that he'd never seen her before.

And just to be clear here, I do not mean to validate the original accusation regarding herpes, because I have no idea whatsoever whether it's true.

The other question that comes to mind is why smlqqking at times in the past appeared to be semi-literate at best and now suddenly has discovered the ability to write intelligibly.

These are all frankly mysteries to me, but I'm pretty sure he hasn't personally added much to the quality of discourse on this board.[/QUOTE]And what is your problem with me exactly? I didn't not say she had hepers I made a coment that she had cold sores, its not something most would notice I was trying to educate. Furthermore I have had a few dreams of Miss Candy she is worth the apology. I was went to her because I wanted to see for myself what all the white knighting was about she is a sweet lady, and reliable. I was a newbie when I wrote that about her since then I have been robbed twice and had some pimp chase me with a knife. I have more thant taking one for the team and shared anything everything to kep people safe. Your a funny guy, not sure what you have your panties in a bunch for, are you man enough to PM and end this like aman or do you want to continue to flame on the board and waste time and space on the board?

The no-fail move that immediately gets you ready for sex is usually:

A really long, steamy kiss:

When she grabs my crotch:

When she brushes her breasts against my chest:

When she licks my nipples:

What over-the-top move would you like to try?

A threesome:

Getting it on in a public place:

Videotaping the two of us together:

Role-playing:

Talking dirty:

Where's the sexiest place a girl can ambush you for a hot quickie?

In bed, first thing in the morning, even if I'm half asleep: 41. 7%

In the shower:

The doorway, just as I walk in:

While we're in the car:

Finish this sentence: When we're done with sex, I would love if she:

Cuddled up with me in bed:

Pulled me into the shower with her:

Begged for round two:

Told me how amazing it felt:

Rolled over and left me alone:

Approximately how long do you like an entire sex session to last?

30 minutes:

15 minutes:

60 or more minutes:

10 minutes:

[QUOTE=Thorbane;1599108]Why now all of a sudden are we getting new providers who are not posting pics and then they turn around and want us to verify who we are? I unstand the saftey of the provider and that not the problem. But when you post no pic and ask for fee higher then the providers that do post pics and have had good reviews. The only thing I say to to the new providers is the best of luck.[/QUOTE]I only know of why one person does, it is because of the Tineye website and because she got some bad reviews and is trying to avoid them, she has tried other things but still only gets between 3-7 calls a week an even less actual set up appointmnts, most current clients are those who have no idea where to find reviews or that there is even a such thing and from first time clients which sucks because a first time client who starts off his new hobby with a bad experience will quickly go another route. Also I hear some girls are trying to be a little more discreet because of all the bust going on out there.

[QUOTE=TMaxxx5324; 1597702]I think that maybe, the facts are s little misconstrued. For the record I have never seen Christina because I never got the chance. Michele I saw on two separate occasions and both where not any good. The first time she liked shocked I should have just left but, she invited me in so I thought ok. Big mistake! Shame on me. The second time I contacted her by accident I thought she was some one else. Again shew invited me in after I was ready to leave and I went in and bingo same thing. The site you two are talking about doesn't mention racial preference anywhere. You two would not be the first to post no black men, trust me. I just was reporting on my experience who casts about my experience, other black hobbyist. They get it, just please move on. You are not for me I get it, m moving on.

Thanks[/QUOTE]I'm very sorry I may of jumped the gun? I read in your review you put us together as a partners or team and stated NEITHER of us are any good and I have never met you and thought this was not right to lump us together based on relation. I'm not ashamed of my sister, I just think we go about business in different ways and we see this profession in two different lights, as you can imagine if one is doing something she enjoys an another may not think so highly of their approach with clients will surely be different. Her and I got compared regularly 6 months ago and I was glad everyone got it out of their system. When I seen this and it said I was her partner? I thought how is this when we haven't worked together in over 8 months? You called her "Michelle" and she has only used this name for maybe 4 months if that. Although I felt like I was being accused of guilt by association, I am sorry and thank you very much for clarifying the situation. I did try to send you a PM to do this but when I tried to click your name an pull the profile it says there is no member with this name and all the post say error nothing found so I'm assuming you closed this account and I was forced to say sorry this way because I'm sure your still a member just was done with that name. Thank you again and I'm also sorry you had a bad experience with my sister. She really can be a good person but her life was changed dramatically at only 14yrs old and I truly believe it has affected her outlook on life an men in general, some girls here are not providers by choice but by need as I'm sure you already know.

Well, I just had to post this but wasn't sure of the best place so this seems as good as any. I'll add a rant just to keep it on topic:

Something to brag about:

I just sealed a deal with my current UTR gal for all the visits I want for one very low monthly price. We'll see how it goes and if she lives up to it. I am not one to jump around from gal to gal so this is perfect for me. She has the spinner body that I love and she is not hard on the eyes either. Unfortunately she has not given permission to share her info, sorry.

It started as a joke but she jumped right on the idea. I said how many visits allowed for X amount and she comes back with "as many as you want". My X amount was less than two visits with some providers. Today was a good day, albeit a little tiring.

Here's my rant:

Was contacted by an old favorite of mine that had ripped me off twice in the past.

She had gotten married so she stopped our little side thing but had contacted me needing money and said she would see me while her husband was at work. Two days before our scheduled encounter, she asked for the money up front to pay some bills. Last time I fronted her the money, I didn't hear from her for months but I really enjoyed my time with her so I took her over some cash. Of course, on our scheduled day, she lets me know that her husband was on his way home and we would have to reschedule. That was the last I had heard from her.

Then, out of the blue last week, I get an email apologizing and asking for help. Being the sucker that I am I said sure, but nothing up front. So I go to see her and she had neglected to mention that she is pregnant (about 5 months from the look of it). Pissed me off BUT her nipples were literally as big around as a nickel. Seriously, I remember that they were rather large but I did not remember them being this large. And I mean the nipple itself, not the areola. So I went for it. Had a decent time but not that into pregnant women so I probably will not ever see her again. I just "had" to get that one last time in.

-BigBird69

Wanted to post this because I need to rant but to let everyone out there to be safe and alert. A security Guard was stabbed to death at the Hilton netherland plaza last week. I seen and talk to this guy at least once every two weeks. Found out today when I asked another guard where he was and was told. I guess we should be thankful for what we have. If you work or play downtown keep you eyes and ears open. Stay safe everyone.

Making sure they message you on here, then goin thru their posts to see who all they have seen after they give you providers to check on them? Just like with a great provider, some ladies will not share intel on a client they know is the real deal. I would ask for a PM on here first, then research through the site. Plus alot of seniors talk amongst ourselves so if you have seen a senior and you think they have a rapport, simply ask another seniro. If they feel you are legit, they will let you know if someone is cool or not. Hope this helps. MF.

[QUOTE=DestinyBaby;1623428]Is there not another way for us providers to be able to verify a client is safe and legit without having to go through a previously seen provider? I have had to contact providers before and I always get no they don't know them, no doesn't sound familiar, or have no clue remarks made back. Just to fuind out later it was the providers not wanting to give up info so the client seen others besides themselves. This is crazy anymore on her any suggestions?[/QUOTE]

If your clients' phone numbers are listed in excel, you can easily use the sort function to put the phone numbers in chronological order for easier searching. You can also use the 'find' function to search for a number in your records as well. Of course, this requires that you have microsoft excel and that you are familiar with how to use it.

[QUOTE=DestinyBaby;1623428]Is there not another way for us providers to be able to verify a client is safe and legit without having to go through a previously seen provider? I have had to contact providers before and I always get no they don't know them, no doesn't sound familiar, or have no clue remarks made back. Just to fuind out later it was the providers not wanting to give up info so the client seen others besides themselves. This is crazy anymore on her any suggestions?[/QUOTE]P411, RS2K or Date-Check

Ask the client if you can call him at work. Ask him where he works and tell him you want the main number so the receptionist has to hook you through to his extension or office. Abby Amour up here in Indy did that to verify clients while she was here. You then google the place of business to make sure the phone number matches the one he gives you, then call the number and ask for him by name, not his extension number. If the client wants to see you bad enough (and he will because you're hot) he will abide by your request.

BFDeal

[QUOTE=DestinyBaby;1623428]Is there not another way for us providers to be able to verify a client is safe and legit without having to go through a previously seen provider? I have had to contact providers before and I always get no they don't know them, no doesn't sound familiar, or have no clue remarks made back. Just to fuind out later it was the providers not wanting to give up info so the client seen others besides themselves. This is crazy anymore on her any suggestions?[/QUOTE]

Your disappointing experience with fronting the donation is not uncommon. In fact, I've grown to expect it. Over the years of practicing the hobby, I have become 'familiar' with many fine providers which I have shared adventures with. I have become friends with many, and shared an elevated level of trust with a few. There have been numerous occasions where a provider that I have seen, contacted me in a time of need. I'm sure every senior practicing the hobby has experienced the exact same thing. I have been asked for everything from a ride to work, money to keep the electric from being shut off, adding minutes to their cell phone, birthday gifts for their kids, diapers rent money, groceries, cigarettes, McDonalds, doughnuts and about anything else one could imagine. I have ran errands, painted rooms, installed appliances and provided many other services in areas that I am skilled at, to help a friend, in exchange for future considerations. I avoid getting cozy with those that appear to be 'users' so they are not included in the group of ladies I'm referring to. I wouldn't knowingly give a cash advance if I thought it was going to used to support a habit, although I'm sure that happens many times without my knowledge. These girls often have genuine legitimate needs, and I offered my assistance, as I would for any friend or neighbor that could use a hand. With the friends in question, I volunteered to help them out and they volunteered to provide future service, in a friendly nonbinding verbal arrangement. Unfortunately, they often (as in 99% of the time, fail to follow through in a timely manner and the gift I provided is soon forgotten about, and they eventually fall off the radar screen. I and I'm sure many others, have been guilty of being too compassionate when it comes to advancing a gratuity. I try to help them when I'm able, but after forwarding the gift or service, in consideration of future 'adventures', I have been disappointed 99% of the time. Of the 8-10 ladies over years of practicing the hobby, I have helped with a 'significant' advance (not to mention the countless small 'favors') , every single one was either unable or unwilling to be available when I tried to arrange my next visit and the next one and the next one. A few eventually made themselves available, but asked for additional 'compensation' for gas or to say that their rates have gone up since. I was disappointed mainly because I went well out of my way, often dropping what I was doing to help them when they needed it, not just when it was convenient for me. I was disappointed because they so often fail to show the same consideration of my time and generousity. In order to maintain my composure, I have come to the conclusion that anytime a lady asks for an advance of money, or anything else of value, including my time, to help her out, I expect nothing in return. That would include buying a 'package' deal that asks for the money up front for future visits. It has tarnished my view on the trustworthiness of the word of many of these ladies. In most cases, it has cost them, not only a reliable, helpful client, but a friend as well. So if you choose to offer an advance, expect nothing in return and you'll not be bitter or disappointed when they fail to reciprocate.

Coincidently. I have had three different providers (two in the past 18 months) contact me after having taken advantage of my generousity (and failing to follow up as was expected) , both in need of cash and wanting to see me, only to find out they were well into their pregnancy. I stayed in touch, but not being a preggers fan, I didn't partake. After the baby (s) were born, they asked for money for baby supplies. I no longer give cash or expect anything in return, but, for the sake of the baby, will be happy to drop off formula, diapers and wipes if that's what they need. These aren't necessarily bad people, they just don't do themselves any favors by asking for help, and not following through with their end of the deal.

[QUOTE=BigBird69; 1615937]Well, I just had to post this but wasn't sure of the best place so this seems as good as any. I'll add a rant just to keep it on topic:

Something to brag about:

I just sealed a deal with my current UTR gal for all the visits I want for one very low monthly price. We'll see how it goes and if she lives up to it. I am not one to jump around from gal to gal so this is perfect for me. She has the spinner body that I love and she is not hard on the eyes either. Unfortunately she has not given permission to share her info, sorry.

It started as a joke but she jumped right on the idea. I said how many visits allowed for X amount and she comes back with "as many as you want". My X amount was less than two visits with some providers. Today was a good day, albeit a little tiring.

Here's my rant:

Was contacted by an old favorite of mine that had ripped me off twice in the past.

She had gotten married so she stopped our little side thing but had contacted me needing money and said she would see me while her husband was at work. Two days before our scheduled encounter, she asked for the money up front to pay some bills. Last time I fronted her the money, I didn't hear from her for months but I really enjoyed my time with her so I took her over some cash. Of course, on our scheduled day, she lets me know that her husband was on his way home and we would have to reschedule. That was the last I had heard from her.

Then, out of the blue last week, I get an email apologizing and asking for help. Being the sucker that I am I said sure, but nothing up front. So I go to see her and she had neglected to mention that she is pregnant (about 5 months from the look of it). Pissed me off BUT her nipples were literally as big around as a nickel. Seriously, I remember that they were rather large but I did not remember them being this large. And I mean the nipple itself, not the areola. So I went for it. Had a decent time but not that into pregnant women so I probably will not ever see her again. I just "had" to get that one last time in.

-BigBird69[/QUOTE]

Trader, your post sounded familiar. Over the years I to have been a sucker to helping out a friend in need with $, only to find it is quickly forgotton until they are in need again. After being burnt twice I believe it best to keep things as you play and I'll reward always in that order. This way my friends always pick up when I call rather than avoiding me as if I was a bill collector. Thanks for a good post.

[QUOTE=Pictraders69; 1624549]Your disappointing experience with fronting the donation is not uncommon. In fact, I've grown to expect it. Over the years of practicing the hobby, I have become 'familiar' with many fine providers which I have shared adventures with. I have become friends with many, and shared an elevated level of trust with a few. There have been numerous occasions where a provider that I have seen, contacted me in a time of need. I'm sure every senior practicing the hobby has experienced the exact same thing. I have been asked for everything from a ride to work, money to keep the electric from being shut off, adding minutes to their cell phone, birthday gifts for their kids, diapers rent money, groceries, cigarettes, McDonalds, doughnuts and about anything else one could imagine. I have ran errands, painted rooms, installed appliances and provided many other services in areas that I am skilled at, to help a friend, in exchange for future considerations. I avoid getting cozy with those that appear to be 'users' so they are not included in the group of ladies I'm referring to. I wouldn't knowingly give a cash advance if I thought it was going to used to support a habit, although I'm sure that happens many times without my knowledge. These girls often have genuine legitimate needs, and I offered my assistance, as I would for any friend or neighbor that could use a hand. With the friends in question, I volunteered to help them out and they volunteered to provide future service, in a friendly nonbinding verbal arrangement. Unfortunately, they often (as in 99% of the time, fail to follow through in a timely manner and the gift I provided is soon forgotten about, and they eventually fall off the radar screen. I and I'm sure many others, have been guilty of being too compassionate when it comes to advancing a gratuity. I try to help them when I'm able, but after forwarding the gift or service, in consideration of future 'adventures', I have been disappointed 99% of the time. Of the 8-10 ladies over years of practicing the hobby, I have helped with a 'significant' advance (not to mention the countless small 'favors') , every single one was either unable or unwilling to be available when I tried to arrange my next visit and the next one and the next one. A few eventually made themselves available, but asked for additional 'compensation' for gas or to say that their rates have gone up since. I was disappointed mainly because I went well out of my way, often dropping what I was doing to help them when they needed it, not just when it was convenient for me. I was disappointed because they so often fail to show the same consideration of my time and generousity. In order to maintain my composure, I have come to the conclusion that anytime a lady asks for an advance of money, or anything else of value, including my time, to help her out, I expect nothing in return. That would include buying a 'package' deal that asks for the money up front for future visits. It has tarnished my view on the trustworthiness of the word of many of these ladies. In most cases, it has cost them, not only a reliable, helpful client, but a friend as well. So if you choose to offer an advance, expect nothing in return and you'll not be bitter or disappointed when they fail to reciprocate.

Coincidently. I have had three different providers (two in the past 18 months) contact me after having taken advantage of my generousity (and failing to follow up as was expected) , both in need of cash and wanting to see me, only to find out they were well into their pregnancy. I stayed in touch, but not being a preggers fan, I didn't partake. After the baby (s) were born, they asked for money for baby supplies. I no longer give cash or expect anything in return, but, for the sake of the baby, will be happy to drop off formula, diapers and wipes if that's what they need. These aren't necessarily bad people, they just don't do themselves any favors by asking for help, and not following through with their end of the deal.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BFDeal; 1624515]Ask the client if you can call him at work. Ask him where he works and tell him you want the main number so the receptionist has to hook you through to his extension or office. Abby Amour up here in Indy did that to verify clients while she was here. You then google the place of business to make sure the phone number matches the one he gives you, then call the number and ask for him by name, not his extension number. If the client wants to see you bad enough (and he will because you're hot) he will abide by your request.

BFDeal.[/QUOTE]Surely you jest.

[QUOTE=Cincyeast52;1624824]Surely you jest.[/QUOTE]I certainly hope so. I can't imagine anyone agreeing to this process.

J