Is this what she really looks like, or did somebody post this as a joke. She looks like Roy Munson's landlady in Kingpin - or is that a dude. Uggggghh
[url]http://detroit.craigslist.org/ers/869247285.html[/url]
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Is this what she really looks like, or did somebody post this as a joke. She looks like Roy Munson's landlady in Kingpin - or is that a dude. Uggggghh
[url]http://detroit.craigslist.org/ers/869247285.html[/url]
Does anyone have ANY info on this girl. Please post or just PM me.
Thanks!
[url]http://detroit.craigslist.org/ers/872921628.html[/url]
Saw "Jenna" the other night. On the plus side, her pics are accurate, she's tall, thin, pretty good-looking, and she arrived on time. On the negative side, her performance was uninspired to say the least. She advertises GFE, but she really was not. Also, though I paid for an hour, she went on and on about "only one pop; more and you have to pay more." She said she had a baby in June, and any position other than missionary hurt her too much. (She was very tight, I'll give her that).
Very mediocre.
Jose
[Quote][url]http://detroit.craigslist.org/ers/872980530.html[/url]
Hey let's get toghether for some G.F.E. My name is Jenna, I am 19.
I have long brownish-blonde hair, 5'7, 115lbs., 34b-24-34.
I have blue eyes. I can come and see you ,or you could come and see me.
You can call me day or night. I'll be waiting for you call.
What are you waiting for call me now!
5eight6<2four2<3three6five.
[/Quote]
[QUOTE=Worker]Does anyone have ANY info on this girl. Please post or just PM me.
Thanks!
[url]http://detroit.craigslist.org/ers/872921628.html[/url][/QUOTE]
Picture is probably not her, the chick in the picture looks like a playmate from a magazine. At those prices I am sure that is not her pic.
[QUOTE=Jose Cuervo]Saw "Jenna" the other night, and she arrived on time. ...(She was very tight, I'll give her that).
Jose[/QUOTE]
How much $$$? Does she like DATY? Give good head? CIM? Swallow? Did you see her at her place? She looks like my type!
Thanks!
Does anyone have info on this girl? She and I are both downriver but my gut is telling me something. Help please.
[url]http://detroit.craigslist.org/ers/874473850.html[/url]
ULTIMATE GFE
NO UPSELL
NO BS
DISCRETE PRIVATE LOC
200H
150HH
100Q
JENNA
517-879-1355
So overall a little bit of a bummer this weekend.
Tried calling lisa (hot brunette only does outcall), but no answer and no callback. Thought about Tracey (hot blonde who only does outcalls and has new pix), but was skeptical due to lack of reviews. I finally did call the controversial Kelsey (rumors she is really samantha) and talked to her. She was clearly in her car, and said she needed to call me back in five minutes for directions- never did though. Sounds like I lucked out though, as I traded emails with another longer who saw her Saturday night and said her pictures were not her, not by a long shot. Gut, etc.
I think I really want to see Brooke bella in RO (she ads on Eros) anyone know her?
But the dream was OK all the same (OK, not great)
[QUOTE=Worker]Does anyone have ANY info on this girl. Please post or just PM me.
Thanks!
[url]http://detroit.craigslist.org/ers/872921628.html[/url][/QUOTE]
I figured that picture was too good to be true. I'm getting really tired of the CL lies, fake pics, poor attitudes when you show up, etc. These girls need to give us some GFE and the guys that take it and over pay need to stop feeding these girls or they'll just continue.
Hey, thanks for the reply too.
If you get burned by a CL girl keep passing the word about them and use this... Craigs flagger it really works but you may have to hit the ad a few times to get it off.
[url]www.craigsflagger.com[/url]
Starve the bad girls off CL
[QUOTE=Worker]I figured that picture was too good to be true. I'm getting really tired of the CL lies, fake pics, poor attitudes when you show up, etc. These girls need to give us some GFE and the guys that take it and over pay need to stop feeding these girls or they'll just continue.
Hey, thanks for the reply too.[/QUOTE]
Hi,
We need something like this very badly. I cannot make this work for me. Has this worked for anyone else?
Hobbyist,
Its been a while but I haven't given up on the hobby. I've meet a couple new ladies on CL and I thought I would share.
Summer [url]http: //detroit. Craigslist.org/ers/875879982.html[/url]. ABSOLUTELY amazing. Her picture does not do her justice. Was advertising incall. So I gave her a ring to make an appointment for the morning. Called to confirm on my way there all was good. When I saw her I knew I hit the jackpot. WOW! Blonde about 5' 6", 130# and very well done fake 36 C's, tight little ass. As you all know I expect GFE and she met and exceeded my expectations. Included, DATY, CBJ (her only minus), multiples, etc. And guys if you like this, she actually can hold up a conversation. So if you like the mid 20's GFE, blonde and willing. Give her a call. She is in my top 5 for sure. $$ out the door.
Brooke [url]http: //detroit. Craigslist.org/ers/884562973.html[/url]. Oh boy what was I thinking? ! ? I was getting a little desparate a couple weeks ago (couldn't get a hold of my regular and the pickins were scarce in my area). Anyway, I saw Brooke's ad and remembered her from several months back. She was doing a special $. 4 for incall. Her ad said Farmington but when I called she told me Redford. The little head took over the decision making process so I went for it. First off, she said Redford BUT the directions led me to Detroit. Another Bad decision. It was the middle of the day on a Sunday so what could happen? I get to the house and it didn't seem too bad, outside. I parked in the drive and she let me in the side door. She apologized over and over about the condition of the house (she claims she picked it up on the foreclosure market and wanted to rent it out). Well at least it had windows. She does look like her pictures (on a good day). Fake (bad) 36 DD's, very hot body about 5' 4". Well, after some concern we got down to business. Mattress on the floor, sheets for curtains. Definetely not the Ritz. Very good performance though. BBBJCIM, no DATY (I wouldn't anyway yet) and 2 good pops. I must admit she did perform well. Gave me her digits for repeat but I will NOT go back to the same location. If she does relocate I will retap.
Enjoy our hobby guys.
Anybody have any reviews on Lisa? Her pictures are amazing [url]http: //detroit. Craigslist.org/ers/885110514.html[/url]
You have to run it several times to get the post off but yes it works and it is slow. A good time to do it is when you are doing somthing where you don't really need to be on your computer.
[QUOTE=Boater39]Hi,
We need something like this very badly. I cannot make this work for me. Has this worked for anyone else?[/QUOTE]
The links are already bad. The best thing you guy can do is post the last five digets of the phone number that helps us all out and Jackson who runs the board don't get pissed. in example 4-5559.
This helps do a search on CL at any time later.
Most of the HOs don't change numbers that fast but do change names and dump ads fast so she can re-post.
[QUOTE=Trailertroll]Hobbyist,
Its been a while but I haven't given up on the hobby. I've meet a couple new ladies on CL and I thought I would share.
Summer [url]http: //detroit. Craigslist.org/ers/875879982.html[/url]. ABSOLUTELY amazing. Her picture does not do her justice. Was advertising incall. So I gave her a ring to make an appointment for the morning. Called to confirm on my way there all was good. When I saw her I knew I hit the jackpot. WOW! Blonde about 5' 6", 130# and very well done fake 36 C's, tight little ass. As you all know I expect GFE and she met and exceeded my expectations. Included, DATY, CBJ (her only minus), multiples, etc. And guys if you like this, she actually can hold up a conversation. So if you like the mid 20's GFE, blonde and willing. Give her a call. She is in my top 5 for sure. $$ out the door.
Brooke [url]http: //detroit. Craigslist.org/ers/884562973.html[/url]. Oh boy what was I thinking? ! ? I was getting a little desparate a couple weeks ago (couldn't get a hold of my regular and the pickins were scarce in my area). Anyway, I saw Brooke's ad and remembered her from several months back. She was doing a special $. 4 for incall. Her ad said Farmington but when I called she told me Redford. The little head took over the decision making process so I went for it. First off, she said Redford BUT the directions led me to Detroit. Another Bad decision. It was the middle of the day on a Sunday so what could happen? I get to the house and it didn't seem too bad, outside. I parked in the drive and she let me in the side door. She apologized over and over about the condition of the house (she claims she picked it up on the foreclosure market and wanted to rent it out). Well at least it had windows. She does look like her pictures (on a good day). Fake (bad) 36 DD's, very hot body about 5' 4". Well, after some concern we got down to business. Mattress on the floor, sheets for curtains. Definetely not the Ritz. Very good performance though. BBBJCIM, no DATY (I wouldn't anyway yet) and 2 good pops. I must admit she did perform well. Gave me her digits for repeat but I will NOT go back to the same location. If she does relocate I will retap.
Enjoy our hobby guys.
Anybody have any reviews on Lisa? Her pictures are amazing [url]http: //detroit. Craigslist.org/ers/885110514.html[/url][/QUOTE]
Hi Fellows:
I have posted several private messages with no reply. Is this typical on this board or is it me.
Boater
Here are pictures and partial numbers that go with trailertrolls post.
Summer
[url]http://images.craigslist.org/12c14c1g3ZZZZZZZZZ8abb8087d9ab1841350.jpg[/url]
Phone 8-5454
Brooke
[url]http://images.craigslist.org/11c1f8147ZZZZZZZZZ8ai12ca192c213d1b5b.jpg[/url]
Phone 8.6076
[QUOTE=Boater39]Hi Fellows:
I have posted several private messages with no reply. Is this typical on this board or is it me.
Boater[/QUOTE]
don't take it personal, don't take anything on the internet, or computers in general, personal. the first time i got a pm i was late answering it, i just wasn't used to using that feature. i have to look at the little thing on the screen that says i have pms waiting. send me a pm, i promise i'll answer within 3 days. (actually, i think we may have exchanged pms in the past, but i'm not sure).
Men, I sent a couple of messages asking about Nikki.
Those who wrote or seen her please check your in box.
Thanks
Anybody else notice Samantha is now advertising on Eros instead of CL?
I never saw her, but weren't reports on he terrible when she was charging 2 bills?
[QUOTE=Shmitty]Anybody else notice Samantha is now advertising on Eros instead of CL?
I never saw her, but weren't reports on he terrible when she was charging 2 bills?[/QUOTE]
On CL she was $150 an hour some days, and her reviews were mixed at best.
She still claims to be 19 for 2-3 years now.
[QUOTE=Bigboi47]On CL she was $150 an hour some days, and her reviews were mixed at best.
She still claims to be 19 for 2-3 years now.[/QUOTE]Can you TELL ME ABOUT "Eros"
[QUOTE=Shaft 44]Can you TELL ME ABOUT "Eros"[/QUOTE]
It is a nationwide/international escort site where the higher priced talent are on display. The women on eros pay for their ads.
Any one have any info on Natalie??
25yo; rack; brunette. She seems to post 4-5 days a week near the airport. Lately I've seen her ads in other places; like Jax recently.
She has a new name, and a new phone number 734 -(last 4) 0568, but same pics.
Search info;
269 - last four are usually 6188 (better results with search for Natalie)
CL ad below
[quote=Craigslist ad]
[url]http://jxn.craigslist.org/ers/893705744.html[/url]
___~~~__________*>TRY*ME<*__________~~~___ - w4m - 69 (JACKSONbattlecreekALBION)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Reply to: [email]pers-893705744@craigslist.org[/email] [?]
Date: 2008-10-25, 11:10PM EDT
HEY THERE IM NEW TO TOWN AND IM HERE FOR YOU
TOE CURLING, FULL SERVICE GFE EXPERIENCE IS JUST ONE CALL AWAY
HEAVEN-7343010538
[/Quote]
[url]http://detroit.craigslist.org/ers/896353829.html[/url]
Need info on this chick seems to good to be true thanks.
[QUOTE=AceofDiamonds][url]http://detroit.craigslist.org/ers/896353829.html[/url]
Need info on this chick seems to good to be true thanks.[/QUOTE]I have to agree she's way to hot and cheap to be true. Some info would be greatly approviated.
[QUOTE=AceofDiamonds][url]http://detroit.craigslist.org/ers/896353829.html[/url]
Need info on this chick seems to good to be true thanks.[/QUOTE]
No way your gonna ride that for $$
[QUOTE=AceofDiamonds][url]http://detroit.craigslist.org/ers/896353829.html[/url]
Need info on this chick seems to good to be true thanks.[/QUOTE]Similar pic of the same girl showed up on Milwaukee CL today.
Didn't see this mentioned. Waterford ran a sting on some CL girls.
[url]http://www.theoaklandpress.com/articles/2008/11/03/news/local_news/doc490ecbe2576bf528145990.txt[/url]
The comments on that article are pretty amusing -- at least 75% of them take Waterford PD to task for wasting money and resources luring girls from Detroit and elsewhere to make showy busts for a victimless crime.
Craigslist to crack down on prostitution ads
By PAT EATON-ROBB – 8 hours ago
HARTFORD, Conn. (AP) — Under the watchful eye of law enforcement in 40 states, Craigslist pledged Thursday to crack down on ads for prostitution on its Web sites.
As part of Craigslist's agreement with attorneys general around the country, anyone who posts an "erotic services" ad will be required to provide a working phone number and pay a fee with a valid credit card. The Web site will provide that information to law enforcement if subpoenaed.
Jim Buckmaster, Craigslist's CEO, said the deal will allow legitimate escort services to continue advertising, while providing a strong disincentive to companies that are conducting illegal business.
"We don't view it as a penalty, we view it as raising the accountability," he said. "A legitimate business should have no problem with that. They should have no problem providing a phone number or credit card credentials."
Craigslist filed lawsuits this week against 14 software and Internet companies that help people who post erotic service ads to circumvent the Web site's defenses against inappropriate content and illegal activity.
Craigslist, which posts 30 million ads every month for everything from apartment rentals to jobs in hundreds of cities, will also begin using new search technology in an effort to help authorities find missing children and victims of human trafficking.
Police across the country have been arresting people for using Web sites like Craigslist to advertise the sexual services of women and children.
Connecticut Attorney General Richard Blumenthal, who brokered the agreement, said his office contacted Craigslist after receiving several complaints from users late in 2007 about photographs depicting nudity on the site. He said Craigslist cooperated fully and there was never a need to threaten legal action against the company.
"The dark side of the Internet must be stopped from eclipsing its immense potential for good," Blumenthal said.
He added: "I am fully convinced that Craigslist wants to stop this activity as much as we do."
Buckmaster said the agreement does not cover Craigslist's personal ads, where prostitutes have been found advertising for "dates." But he said the San Francisco-based company has been working with authorities on that issue and on cutting down on the sale of stolen merchandise on its sites.
"We are experimenting with telephone verification in those sections," he said. "We don't have any plans to use credit card verification in that section currently. But this partnership is going to be active in that area as well, anywhere where crime does or could occur."
The agreement was joined by the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.
"The criminals engaged in the sexual trafficking of children no longer parade them on the streets of America's cities," said the center's chief executive, Ernie Allen. "Today, they market them via the Internet."
The states that signed the agreement are Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, New Jersey, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin and Wyoming. Washington, D.C., the U.S. Virgin Islands and Guam also joined.
[url]http://detroit.craigslist.org/ers/907741421.html[/url]
Looks like they're living in a hotel.
Guys,
I must have had the worst luck this week. Misfortune seemed to come in increments instead of a full blown sheeet storm. So I didn't really realize that things went horribly wrong this week until I got home and reflected on what actually happened (no luck at all). First off, I've totally abandoned the SW scene but I enjoy the stroll (just to see what's out there). I go thru my usuall trolling area to check out the quality of talent. Very dry on the west side (GR / Tele). Maybe 2 WSW's, I'd say a 7 from behind but a 2 (or less) in the face. Why did I ever do SW's? Anyway, election day, I headed to work early, after getting my usual cup of coffee at T Ho's I proceeded to check the talent on Fenkell. Nothing at all. Reason being, people were lined up to vote a some middle school on Fenkel and Tele. It looked like thousands. If never seen a turnout that big. Back to my bad luck. With no SW's to look at I figured I might as well head into work. So, like I been doing for years, I make a right on red at Fenkel and Tele. I don't get 500 feet from the corner before I see the red flashing lights of uncle leo in my back window. I always like to chuckle at the people getting pulled over so I glanced around to see which victim I thought was getting pulled over by the Redford PD. They must make a mint at that corner. Redford is notorious for sitting there and getting anyone going 2 mph over the speed limit. Back to me. I didn't notice anyone going super fast in beside me but the flashing lights kept getting closer to my bumper. Sheeeet, I was getting pulled over! I was totally clean. It was in early morning for god's sake! AND I knew I wasn't speeding! Anyway's Barney Fife (with a gut and attitude) pulls me over and asks for my license and POI. I give it up with out a word and he asks me why I thought he pulled me over. Duh, I hadn't a clue. He proceeds to tell me that I made a right on red back a Fenkel and Tele. And? ! He goes on to say that theres a posted sign there now that prohibits that. DAMN! He goes back to his tricked out Charger to check my record, returns and 'sells' me the notion that since my record is so clean he'll just be giving me a ticket for impeding with no points. YIPPIE! $140. 00! Oh well. Back to more misfortune. Like most of you guys, I try to cultivate at least 1 or 2 regulars that I have a regular appointment with. Right now I only have 1 (2 if you count the SW that I frequent when the pickins are really bad, I can't believe she still calls me to hook up, WOW! ). OK, I show up at my regular's place for an early morning session and she's having Aunt Flow over for a visit and she's crampy. DAMN! I like the full treatment so DATY is definetly out of the question. So I leave her place and sulk for a few minutes, then consult the blackberry for some new talent. I made a few calls for future appointments Starr, [url]http://detroit.craigslist.org/ers/910124755.html[/url], she's my type gave her a call she's doing incalls at a hotel told her I like to set something up for about 2pm Friday. She was cool with that and told me to call her around noon. Great, I thought. I wasn't gonna put my eggs in one basket so I made a few more calls (overbooking just like the airlines). I called Nikki [url]http://detroit.craigslist.org/ers/907661684.html[/url] a nice skinny 'mature' lady I've always wanted to see. She answered and agreeded for a 2pm meet on Friday. If things worked out maybe I could have both. Friday rolls around and I call Starr. No answer at 12 noon, 12:30 or 1 pm. DAMN DAMN DAMN. So I call and confirm and get a room number from Nikki. Again no answer or call back. SHIT SHIT SHIT! This why I love my blackberry. I made a few calls to Olga [url]http://detroit.craigslist.org/ers/892980475.html[/url] and Chrystal [url]http://detroit.craigslist.org/ers/908421517.html[/url]. Both appear pretty hot from their pictures so I was willing to give them a try. I left a message for Olga and got right through to Chrystal. Chrystal was on the east side so I started heading over there. Just as I made the turn onto the freeway Olga calls and says she's on the west side and AVAILABLE. Decisions, DECISONS. I figured Olga was closer so I called Chrystal back and cancelled. Traveled all the way back west and gave Olga a call. She also double booked and had a client in the parking lot. DAMN! She said she would call in about a half hour unless he wanted the full hour. Declined that offer and went back home with a raging boner. So guys moral of the story: nothing ever works out as expected, stick with the regulars, and most importantly if you've got an appointment and your on the way there don't cancel just because the one that just called is a little be closer. More reviews coming up as time permits.
Thanks for listening
[QUOTE=Pussylicker2][url]http://detroit.craigslist.org/ers/907741421.html[/url]
Looks like they're living in a hotel.[/QUOTE]
They never answer the phone and were at US24 and US12 Redroof in. I scoped the area, and didnt' like the feel of it.
[QUOTE=FLSTC]Craigslist to crack down on prostitution ads
By PAT EATON-ROBB – 8 hours ago
HARTFORD, Conn. (AP) — Under the watchful eye of law enforcement in 40 states, Craigslist pledged Thursday to crack down on ads for prostitution on its Web sites.
As part of Craigslist's agreement with attorneys general around the country, anyone who posts an "erotic services" ad will be required to provide a working phone number and pay a fee with a valid credit card. The Web site will provide that information to law enforcement if subpoenaed.
Jim Buckmaster, Craigslist's CEO, said the deal will allow legitimate escort services to continue advertising, while providing a strong disincentive to companies that are conducting illegal business.
"We don't view it as a penalty, we view it as raising the accountability," he said. "A legitimate business should have no problem with that. They should have no problem providing a phone number or credit card credentials."
Craigslist filed lawsuits this week against 14 software and Internet companies that help people who post erotic service ads to circumvent the Web site's defenses against inappropriate content and illegal activity.
Connecticut Attorney General Richard Blumenthal, who brokered the agreement, said his office contacted Craigslist after receiving several complaints from users late in 2007 about photographs depicting nudity on the site. He said Craigslist cooperated fully and there was never a need to threaten legal action against the company.
"The dark side of the Internet must be stopped from eclipsing its immense potential for good," Blumenthal said.
He added: "I am fully convinced that Craigslist wants to stop this activity as much as we do."
The states that signed the agreement are Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, New Jersey, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin and Wyoming. Washington, D.C., the U.S. Virgin Islands and Guam also joined.[/QUOTE]
As part of Craigslist's agreement with attorneys general around the country, anyone who posts an "erotic services" ad will be required to provide a working phone number and pay a fee with a valid credit card. The Web site will provide that information to law enforcement if subpoenaed.
The state of Michigan has not signed on yet.
[QUOTE=FLSTC]Craigslist to crack down on prostitution ads
By PAT EATON-ROBB – 8 hours ago
HARTFORD, Conn. (AP) — Under the watchful eye of law enforcement in 40 states, Craigslist pledged Thursday to crack down on ads for prostitution on its Web sites.
CLIPPITY CLIP CLIP Vast section of text deleted. Scroll down to read it.
The states that signed the agreement are Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, New Jersey, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin and Wyoming. Washington, D.C., the U.S. Virgin Islands and Guam also joined.[/QUOTE]I notice Michigan is not in that list. Mayhaps LE is making too much money here from busts too give that up?
Ya gotta admit it's getting crazy out there, with Warren and now Waterford doing all these bust's. Hard to know which is for real and which is a set-up. from now on I'm sticking with ladies that are known by members or have a review somewhere.
Does anyone know anything about this lady?
Damn she's smoking hot!!
[QUOTE=Akira317]Does anyone know anything about this lady?
Damn she's smoking hot!![/QUOTE]I've been wondering about her as well. I almost gave her a call when I was in town a few days ago, but then found out that one of my favorites was right near where I was staying, so I went that route instead. Love the pics of her ass, would love to hear that she's legit
[QUOTE=Akira317]Ya gotta admit it's getting crazy out there, with Warren and now Waterford doing all these bust's. Hard to know which is for real and which is a set-up. from now on I'm sticking with ladies that are known by members or have a review somewhere.[/QUOTE]
IMHO CL is a losing game. Follow all 22 rules and then some. Don't use your computer for contacting them, use a tossable phone, and have her meet you someplace for "lunch" and then go to your place. The gals look hot enough, but I'd be so, so wary of them. If you go along with the way the girls operate, you really don't stand a chance against LE or their pimp crashing your dream.
There are enough regulars to be had and SW are a decent play. Be safe.
Is this one for real? LE? Any info is appreciated, even though I am sceptical.
[QUOTE=Spartan99]Is this one for real? LE? Any info is appreciated, even though I am sceptical.[/QUOTE]I would think that this one is for real. I have seen her posts. She changes locations frequently. One day out by the airport then out in Troy then East side. Moves around and probably does not attract alot of local attention. I think there is a report on her farther back in the stack too.