Philly Sugar

[QUOTE=Apothecary;4571549]So any info on these? .

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/820c0d50-85b4-4d5e-b466-b2d41711c6c6[/URL]

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/7de83254-ad90-4c5d-b2e5-abb213bade1c[/URL]

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/2f2cd2c5-a4e7-4205-bfad-97014fe864ac[/URL]

Thank you.[/QUOTE]Was in the area for business recently and met up with second one on list. Was a bit of back and forth to get things scheduled, but it all came together finally. She is very sweet and friendly, and truly seemed to enjoy hanging out. Very pretty girl, and even better body than expected. Anal not on the table, but seemed open to everything else. BBFS no CIP because she said she is not on BC. Damage was 300, although could probably get her a little bit lower. Would definitely repeat if I was in the area.

Curious to know if anyone has met with or talked to either of these two recently, any info would be greatly appreciated!

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/f9a7a099-0b2c-44b8-8b6a-6e55eac90da5[/URL]

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/1e6630eb-f7b7-48cc-8ac5-e54e4cf4f171[/URL]

Thanks! Pilot.

Visiting here and this one contacted me,pretty direct,any info?

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/a1b74d20-c320-47e4-a9c7-8197b620e716[/URL]

[QUOTE=UrTexasBiker;4573035]Visiting here and this one contacted me,pretty direct,any info?

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/a1b74d20-c320-47e4-a9c7-8197b620e716[/URL][/QUOTE]She's very aggressive in contacting me. I have never met her. She has my # and will text every so often. But look at her profile. She says no athletic guys. Sounds like a red flag to me so I won't meet her.

[QUOTE=ErkTheOne;4571810]Was in the area for business recently and met up with second one on list. Was a bit of back and forth to get things scheduled, but it all came together finally. She is very sweet and friendly, and truly seemed to enjoy hanging out. Very pretty girl, and even better body than expected. Anal not on the table, but seemed open to everything else. BBFS no CIP because she said she is not on BC. Damage was 300, although could probably get her a little bit lower. Would definitely repeat if I was in the area.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info.

[QUOTE=PayJohn;4551547]I usually offer $100 for the M&G and let her know as early as possible that I'll add $150 or $200 (depending on what I think after a few texts). The ladies that go for this are usually all in, they just want to make sure they feel safe with you. I ignore the ones who want more for a M&G or say they never extend a M&G into intimacy.

The best scenario is when ladies suggest an opening bid, and it's $100 or below.

Just make sure you make it clear in your profile that you're not looking for platonic.[/QUOTE]I would suggest you look at the Richmond thread. I will pay for whatever we have at the M&G but never pay to meet someone.

Paying like that for a M&G makes it difficult for everyone. What girl isn't going to say yes to go have coffee or lunch for a Franklin? Then she lays out some outrageous number or says she doesn't want to go any further and your out 100. Do that a few times and it adds up quick.

Just sayin.

PH.

Completely agree here. My time is worth more than their time in pure dollars or at the very least equal. I always offer to meet for coffee in a public place or breakfast to establish ground rules, financial assistance, and what they are offering in return. Most want to feel you out for their safety which is smart. If they feel comfortable that you are not a creep or serial killer, most will take the next step if you are half decent looking and resemble your pics on the profile.

Be Safe.

[QUOTE=PinHead11;4585307]I would suggest you look at the Richmond thread. I will pay for whatever we have at the M&G but never pay to meet someone.

Paying like that for a M&G makes it difficult for everyone. What girl isn't going to say yes to go have coffee or lunch for a Franklin? Then she lays out some outrageous number or says she doesn't want to go any further and your out 100. Do that a few times and it adds up quick.

Just sayin.

PH.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BurbsMonger;4585821]Completely agree here. My time is worth more than their time in pure dollars or at the very least equal. I always offer to meet for coffee in a public place or breakfast to establish ground rules, financial assistance, and what they are offering in return. Most want to feel you out for their safety which is smart. If they feel comfortable that you are not a creep or serial killer, most will take the next step if you are half decent looking and resemble your pics on the profile.

Be Safe.[/QUOTE]I find it's best to pay for a M&G, $100 feels about right to me. I think that being direct and "generous" up front sets the best ton going forward. These girls have been promised so many meets, etc where the guy flakes, it makes sense to me to set the stage for the right was to run a relationship.

Ranger, if you offer the 100 for a meet and greet, just curious the percentage of times you can't work out an arrangement that is mutually beneficial to both parties and if you are able to work it out, how much in addition to the 100 you are laying out for the M & G That are successful?

I find now that blogs and some of the SBs are colluding to establish minimum rates. In my conversations, 300-400 is pretty standard for 80% of the conversations I have now and most will not negotiate.

Don't get me wrong, I still find greater value in the SB experience vs the traditional provider so I continue to March on with the SBs.

Thanks for the feedback.

Be Safe and happy mongering this new year.

[QUOTE=Ranger215;4595193]I find it's best to pay for a M&G, $100 feels about right to me. I think that being direct and "generous" up front sets the best ton going forward. These girls have been promised so many meets, etc where the guy flakes, it makes sense to me to set the stage for the right was to run a relationship.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BurbsMonger;4596129]Ranger, if you offer the 100 for a meet and greet, just curious the percentage of times you can't work out an arrangement that is mutually beneficial to both parties and if you are able to work it out, how much in addition to the 100 you are laying out for the M & G That are successful?

I find now that blogs and some of the SBs are colluding to establish minimum rates. In my conversations, 300-400 is pretty standard for 80% of the conversations I have now and most will not negotiate.

Don't get me wrong, I still find greater value in the SB experience vs the traditional provider so I continue to March on with the SBs.

Thanks for the feedback.

Be Safe and happy mongering this new year.[/QUOTE]Lurker comment herewith. I found a sugar baby "free style" in S. Florida and a UTR; both were hot and both took a Benjamin. A less hot "chubby baby" took $50 and didn't yell.

I don't know what the rich girls are asking for here and there but a girl who works at a McJob should accept $150.

Of course the blogs encourage the girls to ask for the moon; some guys are the type to give them what they ask for hoping this "improves her attitude. ".

I realize that seeking arrangement girls self selected to get more money; but broke girls probably sign up also from time to time.

I'm not a hunchback nor a creep in person, so I'm not paying more than $10 to any female for a meet and greet; this covers her parking fee or gasoline, etc.

I just can't believe that around Philly there are not a bunch of broke girls who are sick of flipping burgers or selling cheap clothes or etc. For $150 for two days of her labor.

I think such girls would like to make that money more quickly from a man who has it.

[QUOTE=Dash;4596160]Lurker comment herewith. I found a sugar baby "free style" in S. Florida and a UTR; both were hot and both took a Benjamin. A less hot "chubby baby" took $50 and didn't yell.

I don't know what the rich girls are asking for here and there but a girl who works at a McJob should accept $150.

Of course the blogs encourage the girls to ask for the moon; some guys are the type to give them what they ask for hoping this "improves her attitude. ".

I realize that seeking arrangement girls self selected to get more money; but broke girls probably sign up also from time to time.

I'm not a hunchback nor a creep in person, so I'm not paying more than $10 to any female for a meet and greet; this covers her parking fee or gasoline, etc.

I just can't believe that around Philly there are not a bunch of broke girls who are sick of flipping burgers or selling cheap clothes or etc. For $150 for two days of her labor.

I think such girls would like to make that money more quickly from a man who has it.[/QUOTE]I've never paid for a M&G. The most I'll do for a M&G is $20 for gas. I think it's just way too easy to be plain used by paying for M&Gs. You have plenty of women on those sites who have no intention to move forward with an arrangement, and just doing paid M&Gs will get them by, especially for $100 a pop, plus food / drinks.

In my experience in the Philly area, I've found women on SA over the years who have been happy with as low as $100, and they were very attractive, early 20's, college girls. On average though, I think 200-300 gets you about 75% of the women on SA. And those are usually attractive women in their early to late 20's, and we usually spend several hours together-no rush. I have not found a correlation between price and enjoyment, as some of my favorite women have been the 150-200 ones, and I've been rather disappointed by the ones at 300.

Now, big cities are different. In my experience on the West Coast, LA in particular, the norm is 300-500, with most women being 350-400. Same quality as in Philly, early 20's, attractive, but I think LA is just more expensive in general.

I do miss CL though. I used to find plenty of women off there, again in their 20's and attractive, who were more in the 100-200 range, and were up for pretty much anything.

I will never pay for a M&G. Ever. It just drives up prices and encourages Rinsers. Some of these girls are making nice side money having guys pay them to watch them eat or drink coffee. If you are paying them 100 just to meet you they will probably assume 200-250 is not worth it to take off their clothes and spread their legs for you. Because you can afford more. I am not getting clean, fresh college sorority girls worth while in my area for 100 tho. I do my M&G at my private residence. If they show up and misrepresented themselves, I give them 10-20 and send them on their way. Meeting and talking with an old dude that pays them 100 and buys them food, then leaving with the cash without having to touch them beats eating ramen noodles in their dorm room every time.

[QUOTE=Socalcasualguy;4596457]I've never paid for a M&G. The most I'll do for a M&G is $20 for gas. I think it's just way too easy to be plain used by paying for M&Gs. You have plenty of women on those sites who have no intention to move forward with an arrangement, and just doing paid M&Gs will get them by, especially for $100 a pop, plus food / drinks.

In my experience in the Philly area, I've found women on SA over the years who have been happy with as low as $100, and they were very attractive, early 20's, college girls. On average though, I think 200-300 gets you about 75% of the women on SA. And those are usually attractive women in their early to late 20's, and we usually spend several hours together-no rush. I have not found a correlation between price and enjoyment, as some of my favorite women have been the 150-200 ones, and I've been rather disappointed by the ones at 300.

Now, big cities are different. In my experience on the West Coast, LA in particular, the norm is 300-500, with most women being 350-400. Same quality as in Philly, early 20's, attractive, but I think LA is just more expensive in general.

I do miss CL though. I used to find plenty of women off there, again in their 20's and attractive, who were more in the 100-200 range, and were up for pretty much anything.[/QUOTE]

Met a very pretty woman on that dating app that so many use, who would love to meet a few good men for PPM. Seniors feel free to PM me for trade. She is full on SB material with no issues. I wish I was extremely well to do. 26, blonde

Has anyone chatted or had any experience with this one? I've chatted her on and off a couple times to meet. Curious if anyone took the plunge or got her to agree to anything.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/1048186e-dcdb-4e00-b637-bf0868de6b3d[/URL]

I have been off and on SA for 4-5 years and a few years ago I was finding many SB's in the 100-250 range full on GFE without time limits. I have talked to hundreds of SBs in the past month of my latest membership and less than 15% are in that range. Maybe I need to negotiate better but it seems the ones I like are 300, the slim college aged girl.

Be Safe.

[QUOTE=Socalcasualguy;4596457]I've never paid for a M&G. The most I'll do for a M&G is $20 for gas. I think it's just way too easy to be plain used by paying for M&Gs. You have plenty of women on those sites who have no intention to move forward with an arrangement, and just doing paid M&Gs will get them by, especially for $100 a pop, plus food / drinks.

In my experience in the Philly area, I've found women on SA over the years who have been happy with as low as $100, and they were very attractive, early 20's, college girls. On average though, I think 200-300 gets you about 75% of the women on SA. And those are usually attractive women in their early to late 20's, and we usually spend several hours together-no rush. I have not found a correlation between price and enjoyment, as some of my favorite women have been the 150-200 ones, and I've been rather disappointed by the ones at 300.

Now, big cities are different. In my experience on the West Coast, LA in particular, the norm is 300-500, with most women being 350-400. Same quality as in Philly, early 20's, attractive, but I think LA is just more expensive in general.

I do miss CL though. I used to find plenty of women off there, again in their 20's and attractive, who were more in the 100-200 range, and were up for pretty much anything.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BurbsMonger;4598166]I have been off and on SA for 4-5 years and a few years ago I was finding many SB's in the 100-250 range full on GFE without time limits. I have talked to hundreds of SBs in the past month of my latest membership and less than 15% are in that range. Maybe I need to negotiate better but it seems the ones I like are 300, the slim college aged girl.

Be Safe.[/QUOTE]I've found they're asking 500 or more. One tells me she gets 800 routinely.

I was talking with one yesterday who wanted 500 for dinner and 'light intimacy" when I inquired what that was she said light caressing and touching. I laughed told her she had a case of GPS and she replied with full intimacy is 1 k, instant hard pass and block. She was 28, at least her profile said that. It's getting ridiculous on SA.

Be Safe.

[QUOTE=TommyArcher;4599039]I've found they're asking 500 or more. One tells me she gets 800 routinely.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ranger215;4595193]I find it's best to pay for a M&G, $100 feels about right to me. I think that being direct and "generous" up front sets the best ton going forward. These girls have been promised so many meets, etc where the guy flakes, it makes sense to me to set the stage for the right was to run a relationship.[/QUOTE]I commented on this previously so not to rehash the subject but I believe its important to draw a line here. You need to remember that you are in control. If you choose and you can do what feels right for you but I would suggest that you take the time to think about what your looking for and how to get it.

Paying for a M&G sets up a idea in the SB head that she or her time is so valuable that a SD will pay just to sit and watch her drink a coffee. That most likely will lead to poor performance. She already has you hooked so why put out extra effort? Most likely she will think that if you are willing to pay just to sit with her that she can ask for the moon and most likely the SD will concede and even if there is negotiation it will end up in her favor.

If for some reason the SD feels he needs to pay for a M&G maybe he should look and try to determine why. Is it because he is looking for a sure thing? If so then possibly a agency or pro would be a better choice.

If it is difficult to get a meet with a SB are the goals to high? If you are looking for 8-9 maybe a better practice is to look for a 5-6 and work on your game. As your game gets better go for the 8-9 SB. We have to be realistic with our expectations and who we are and what we a are looking for.

Looking for a better class of BP girl shouldn't be what this is about and while everyone has a different idea and the scale can run from one extreme to the other the true SB / SD relationship isn't based solely on how much you can wow her with money.

Here's one that says she gets $800/ meet. Read the profile. It's worth it.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/6a19d60a-a982-4068-8a38-101905ae8a22[/URL]

A SW I guess was new and offered in a convo GFE and I said sure. Next thing I know my account got banned because now I was soliciting, LOL. Anyone have experience with this? If I create a different account with a different email does it work around that? Do I need to use a diff cc too?

[QUOTE=BurbsMonger;4600720]I was talking with one yesterday who wanted 500 for dinner and 'light intimacy" when I inquired what that was she said light caressing and touching. I laughed told her she had a case of GPS and she replied with full intimacy is 1 k, instant hard pass and block. She was 28, at least her profile said that. It's getting ridiculous on SA.

Be Safe.[/QUOTE]Bottom line is that there are some people who will pay for that, and the girls know that. It's basic economics. Some will wait for that, and others will take 200-300 all day long, and see more guys / same guy more often, and make just as much. Just a personal preference of the women. In LA, I get 500-1000 k from women all the time, and politely pass. Some will just move on, and then others will start the negotiation. Many ask for that because they know there are some men out there who will pay for it, so why not ask, and many will then lower their ask from there. In LA things are more expensive, so lots of times the girl who starts at 800 will eventually drop to 300-400. And in LA, that's about the lowest you will find.

I talked with her, told her she wasn't worth that and did a hard pass.

Be Safe.

[QUOTE=TommyArcher;4600746]Here's one that says she gets $800/ meet. Read the profile. It's worth it.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/6a19d60a-a982-4068-8a38-101905ae8a22[/URL][/QUOTE]

Yep, been banned twice about 3-4 years ago when I was getting started. No talk about soliciting a lady, sexual acts, or fir me even money. My goal is to get them offline via text or social media as soon as possible to discuss specifics. I would wait a few weeks, create a new email address, new name and profile and use a different visa gift card that can be used internationally to sign up again. Enforcement seems to be selective for the ladies as some are very obvious and down right stupid, but for guys it seems to be stricter.

Be Safe.

[QUOTE=AznKilla;4600855]A SW I guess was new and offered in a convo GFE and I said sure. Next thing I know my account got banned because now I was soliciting, LOL. Anyone have experience with this? If I create a different account with a different email does it work around that? Do I need to use a diff cc too?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BurbsMonger;4601536]Yep, been banned twice about 3-4 years ago when I was getting started. No talk about soliciting a lady, sexual acts, or fir me even money. My goal is to get them offline via text or social media as soon as possible to discuss specifics. I would wait a few weeks, create a new email address, new name and profile and use a different visa gift card that can be used internationally to sign up again. Enforcement seems to be selective for the ladies as some are very obvious and down right stupid, but for guys it seems to be stricter.

Be Safe.[/QUOTE]I was just suspended / banned as well, after being on the site for about 8 years, on and off, with not one issue. Now they've blacklisted me and won't let me back on. I even tried using a different email and different credit card. I'm guessing I'll have to try a new email next time, as well as a prepaid credit card, as I'm guessing they link my name on my CC to their ban list.

If that doesn't work, does anybody have any other suggestions besides SA? I tried Secret Benefits, but that was a joke. Not 1 person replied back to me after I paid, not even the ones who messaged me first. I think that whole site is a racket. Has anybody else tried any of the other SD sites? Any luck with them? I know SA was the one I used from the beginning, and it seems like it is very popular with the women, but in light of being suspended by them, as well as their rates just keep going up and up (I remember when it was only $49/ mo and no recurring billing, and it is now $89/ mo with auto renewal each month), I'm looking at other options. I loved CL when it was around, as that was a goldmine, but maybe looking for another SD / SB website that people have good results from.

Thanks in advance.

I have been banned about 4-5 time over the past 10 years. Each time it gets harder and harder to get back on. This worked for me. VPN service. New email, profile, name, everything. They have also caught me using the same pic so use a new one. One Vanilla MC registered with a zip code. Create your profile and just park it for a few days as a non paying member. If they don't delete the profile then pay with the card.

[QUOTE=Socalcasualguy;4602204]I was just suspended / banned as well, after being on the site for about 8 years, on and off, with not one issue. Now they've blacklisted me and won't let me back on. I even tried using a different email and different credit card. I'm guessing I'll have to try a new email next time, as well as a prepaid credit card, as I'm guessing they link my name on my CC to their ban list.

If that doesn't work, does anybody have any other suggestions besides SA? I tried Secret Benefits, but that was a joke. Not 1 person replied back to me after I paid, not even the ones who messaged me first. I think that whole site is a racket. Has anybody else tried any of the other SD sites? Any luck with them? I know SA was the one I used from the beginning, and it seems like it is very popular with the women, but in light of being suspended by them, as well as their rates just keep going up and up (I remember when it was only $49/ mo and no recurring billing, and it is now $89/ mo with auto renewal each month), I'm looking at other options. I loved CL when it was around, as that was a goldmine, but maybe looking for another SD / SB website that people have good results from.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Newbie1961;4602359]I have been banned about 4-5 time over the past 10 years. Each time it gets harder and harder to get back on. This worked for me. VPN service. New email, profile, name, everything. They have also caught me using the same pic so use a new one. One Vanilla MC registered with a zip code. Create your profile and just park it for a few days as a non paying member. If they don't delete the profile then pay with the card.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the advice, much appreciated. I was thinking about waiting for a while, using a new email, Visa gift card, new pic and new screen name. I didn't think about using a VPN service.

You find any other SD sites besides SA, or are you like me, and think they seem to be the best option?

I use ExpressVPN but many are available. So its not a plug for that company. Remember an IP address is your fingerprint. Regarding SB if you read one of my post in another forum it is my opinion that it is one the biggest rip off sites out there. I have used it twice and will never return. Yes I know everybody hates Wade and his SA / WYP sites but SA is the only game for me. Any credit based site has less girls and never a good value. At least with SA I pay the house 3 bucks a day to message every girl on there if I want. SB is loaded with Fembots that do not really exist. You sit on you hands waiting before you spend credits on someone that might be fake or not work out. With SA you can carpet bomb every girl that you might be interested in with messages. I join for a month, fill up my dial-a-ho directory and take a break. I did my 30 days to catch the girls home on Holiday break and returning to school after. In 30 days I got 48 phone numbers and was able to fuck 11 new ones. I will try to work the rest of the numbers when my membership expires and I take a break for a while.

[QUOTE=Socalcasualguy;4602365]Thanks for the advice, much appreciated. I was thinking about waiting for a while, using a new email, Visa gift card, new pic and new screen name. I didn't think about using a VPN service.

You find any other SD sites besides SA, or are you like me, and think they seem to be the best option?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Newbie1961;4602511]I use ExpressVPN but many are available. So its not a plug for that company. Remember an IP address is your fingerprint. Regarding SB if you read one of my post in another forum it is my opinion that it is one the biggest rip off sites out there. I have used it twice and will never return. Yes I know everybody hates Wade and his SA / WYP sites but SA is the only game for me. Any credit based site has less girls and never a good value. At least with SA I pay the house 3 bucks a day to message every girl on there if I want. SB is loaded with Fembots that do not really exist. You sit on you hands waiting before you spend credits on someone that might be fake or not work out. With SA you can carpet bomb every girl that you might be interested in with messages. I join for a month, fill up my dial-a-ho directory and take a break. I did my 30 days to catch the girls home on Holiday break and returning to school after. In 30 days I got 48 phone numbers and was able to fuck 11 new ones. I will try to work the rest of the numbers when my membership expires and I take a break for a while.[/QUOTE]Agreed! That was my strategy as well. Get on for a month- message everyone that I had ANY interest in, then work my way through those numbers / women for a couple of months, or longer. When they all dried up / I got bored of them, then sign back up again. First ban in 7 years, so figured I'd enquire about other options and ways to get back on. Thanks for the info / advice!

It seems a lot of us use the same strategy. I have used express, ghost and norton vpn services all have been fine to use. When I got banned, I changed profile names, pics and discussion tactics, seems to have worked as I have not been banned in the past 3 years. As far as SB, I had limited success, found 2 SBs, both smoking hot, one I have been seeing regularly for 3 months and the other only saw 4 times before she ghosted me. Most of the time SB is crap with lots of fake bots. I believe SA has better value even at the monthly rate of 89 because you can go to town with unlimited messaging but it is a big time investment in order to bear any fruit.

Best of luck and stay safe.

[QUOTE=Socalcasualguy;4603955]Agreed! That was my strategy as well. Get on for a month- message everyone that I had ANY interest in, then work my way through those numbers / women for a couple of months, or longer. When they all dried up / I got bored of them, then sign back up again. First ban in 7 years, so figured I'd enquire about other options and ways to get back on. Thanks for the info / advice![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Newbie1961;4602511]I use ExpressVPN but many are available. So its not a plug for that company. Remember an IP address is your fingerprint. Regarding SB if you read one of my post in another forum it is my opinion that it is one the biggest rip off sites out there. I have used it twice and will never return. Yes I know everybody hates Wade and his SA / WYP sites but SA is the only game for me. Any credit based site has less girls and never a good value. At least with SA I pay the house 3 bucks a day to message every girl on there if I want. SB is loaded with Fembots that do not really exist. You sit on you hands waiting before you spend credits on someone that might be fake or not work out. With SA you can carpet bomb every girl that you might be interested in with messages. I join for a month, fill up my dial-a-ho directory and take a break. I did my 30 days to catch the girls home on Holiday break and returning to school after. In 30 days I got 48 phone numbers and was able to fuck 11 new ones. I will try to work the rest of the numbers when my membership expires and I take a break for a while.[/QUOTE]I got banned after being active for 6 months, and having an account for years. They gave the reason as soliciting sex for money. I'm careful about what I say and never mention any sex acts or even intimacy. I think that scammers reported me in retaliation after I made the mistake of calling them out. Platonics will report you too. A few times I asked a question of Platonics and they blocked me without answering. I have also noticed that SA considers it soliciting if you even mention PPM. They are trying to push this illusion of giving a big allowance at the beginning of the month, as if the SB would ever show up again. They are blocking IP addresses, they are also looking at other things, like the pictures, name, location, email, everything. It is clear to me that a human is doing it. I tried several times to set up a new account and a it would get approved and then a day later it gets deleted. I was using a VPN to change my IP as well. The last time I was in a different city, put that location, used a different picture, changed my birthday, different email, everything different and still it got deleted a day later. SA is totally over reacting to the new laws. Unfortunately it is the only game in town. WYP is a waste of time, same with SB, and several other sites. I'm trying Tinder but not much action so far. Just lots of Snapme's, Instagrammers, and Venmo me money now girls. During the 6 months when I reactivated after moving to a new town I viewed about 500 profiles, wrote at least 100 to 200 of them and met 22 girls in person and had a good time. It was a lot of work but paid off. Then I got fed up with the hundreds of Platonics and the scammers and told them off and got banned. Those types outnumber the real girls many times over. So I agree, stay low and just focus on finding the good ones. I still have enough to keep me busy. About 6 to 8 that will come back for a repeat, but I need a way to freshen the pot since they often move on.

[QUOTE=ErkTheOne;4571810]Was in the area for business recently and met up with second one on list. Was a bit of back and forth to get things scheduled, but it all came together finally. She is very sweet and friendly, and truly seemed to enjoy hanging out. Very pretty girl, and even better body than expected. Anal not on the table, but seemed open to everything else. BBFS no CIP because she said she is not on BC. Damage was 300, although could probably get her a little bit lower. Would definitely repeat if I was in the area.[/QUOTE]Yeah -- She's pretty hot. I'm only here for one night, so there's not a chance for her to be spontaneous. If you have contact info, I'd be happy to receive a PM!

Seen her a few times, girl next door quality is you don't mind all the ink.

Dtf from the get-go and rate was very reasonable. Was in fish town but was moving to center city area last I spoke to her.

BBBJ, cfs (let me go BBFS last time but no cip).

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/db595937-b4ee-49f7-8c3d-987301517647[/URL]

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/fcd1efb9-3657-4ad4-9465-23e09784076d[/URL]

Reached out to her. She's has a vision involving 400 roses.

As an aside, just found this forum. Amazing resource. Thank you all. Intent to pay it forward.

[QUOTE=SportsMan331;4541363]I met her. Paid the Full Freight. It was worth every single penny. Great find. ANd yes, I look forward to seeing her again and again.

She is so sexy, dresses sexy, and made me feel happy, excited, and satisfied. Ill forget the cost over time, but not her. Recommend.[/QUOTE]


I might see her next week. Can I ask what the damage was?

https://www.seeking.com/member/b39a1554-36a7-42d3-b09a-95a2b4baa1c0

Hi, are you willing to share her digits? I no longer has a paid subscription to [URL]seeking.com[/URL]. Trying to see if you can help. Also, what are the damages and is that a incall or outcall?

[QUOTE=YellowLuvin;4537416]I've met with her. She is a semi-pro. Not as good as her pics but who actually is these days?[/QUOTE]

I see your point.

Getting the number is not that difficult. It's managing those. If you are not able to meet them within say 1-2 weeks, most of them will ghost. And I wonder how you managed seeing 11 new within a month. Given an average 250-300, and meeting someone new every 2-3 days, I am guessing you did shell out about at least 3 k in that month I wonder what age group and type were those?

[QUOTE=Newbie1961;4602511]I use ExpressVPN but many are available. So its not a plug for that company. Remember an IP address is your fingerprint. Regarding SB if you read one of my post in another forum it is my opinion that it is one the biggest rip off sites out there. I have used it twice and will never return. Yes I know everybody hates Wade and his SA / WYP sites but SA is the only game for me. Any credit based site has less girls and never a good value. At least with SA I pay the house 3 bucks a day to message every girl on there if I want. SB is loaded with Fembots that do not really exist. You sit on you hands waiting before you spend credits on someone that might be fake or not work out. With SA you can carpet bomb every girl that you might be interested in with messages. I join for a month, fill up my dial-a-ho directory and take a break. I did my 30 days to catch the girls home on Holiday break and returning to school after. In 30 days I got 48 phone numbers and was able to fuck 11 new ones. I will try to work the rest of the numbers when my membership expires and I take a break for a while.[/QUOTE]

Yes I broke the bank this month. I spend honestly 150-300 (which is normal for the STL area) each with the average about 200-250. Some months when I have an active membership I can go through 2000-2500 a month. I don't pay for M&G, coffee / diner dates or shopping sprees. They all come to my house. So all funds go directly towards the pussy. Of course this tapers off after I just live off the numbers I collected. Many of these girls I decide not to see again so it was just a one time thing. You do have to strike when the iron is hot on many, but some are out of town or at school so I catch them when they return. Sometimes the ones that I wouldn't pay their price will text me weeks / months later when times are tough saying well what are you comfortable with? I cast a wide net so this month the age range was 18-37. The oldest was listed as 32 but I found out her real age after we met. At my age I can't do 2 a day or every day, so when I am active on there probably 3 a week is about my average. I am broke and exhausted, but with a big smile on my face.

[QUOTE=Apothecary;4613666]I see your point.

Getting the number is not that difficult. It's managing those. If you are not able to meet them within say 1-2 weeks, most of them will ghost. And I wonder how you managed seeing 11 new within a month. Given an average 250-300, and meeting someone new every 2-3 days, I am guessing you did shell out about at least 3 k in that month I wonder what age group and type were those?[/QUOTE]

Getting tired of poor experiences in escort scene and thinking of transitioning to SA. Great forum very informative and just had a few questions for more experienced SA users.

Married and in professional world, so hesitant to give pictures or credit card. Are picture necessary for success on site? (Decently attractive, more concerned they get in wrong hands). Looks like some using visa gift cards, can you typically just buy at local target type store and they work internationally as site requires?

Can't host locally, do you find many on SA will host after a positive m&g off-site? Not a huge fan of car dates.

I see Lots of people getting banned. How do you make it clear you do not just want platonic while not going too far and being banned?

She is on the pricier end of the scale at 4. 5 with no travels to Greece, however it appears no translator is required but no cip based on my conversations with her. I have no taken the chance yet, but to those that have is she that thin in real life? The pics she sent me she is awfully thin?

Thanks and Be Safe.

[QUOTE=BuffBill75;4611308]I might see her next week. Can I ask what the damage was?

https://www.seeking.com/member/b39a1554-36a7-42d3-b09a-95a2b4baa1c0[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DaveHebner;4614177]Getting tired of poor experiences in escort scene and thinking of transitioning to SA. Great forum very informative and just had a few questions for more experienced SA users.

Married and in professional world, so hesitant to give pictures or credit card. Are picture necessary for success on site? (Decently attractive, more concerned they get in wrong hands). Looks like some using visa gift cards, can you typically just buy at local target type store and they work internationally as site requires?

Can't host locally, do you find many on SA will host after a positive m&g off-site? Not a huge fan of car dates.

I see Lots of people getting banned. How do you make it clear you do not just want platonic while not going too far and being banned?[/QUOTE]I believe you need a picture to be able to do some stuff on the site? I forget, its been a while since I was premium. But I just took a picture of myself, blurred out the face and stripped it of all potentially identifying info, and used that with no problem (I'm in decent shape though, and dress well IMO). Also for the picture make sure its one you're not using anywhere else. Even with blurring and modification, it might be possible for people to reverse image search it and link it to you.

I believe you can use anonymous credit cards to pay for it. There are some out there. I believe the ones you get from like Target and such do require you to register your personal info though, so they aren't completely anon. Not sure though.

Almost NO SBs on SA will host. They're either living w / family or roommates, and doing this for extra money, so they aren't usually in a place financially where they have a private place to host. So factor hotels into your costs. Car dates are not really a good idea, you're going to look stingy or poor, either way not what a SB is looking for, not to mention WTF are you going to do for a several hour date in a car? Also I'm single, and not super old, so discretion isn't as important for me, but if you're meeting up in public places, people you might know might see you around.

Regarding avoiding platonic, you can make it clear in your profile (without being explicit and getting banned) that you're looking for something less platonic, more physical. You can also read people's profiles to see what they're looking for. Some will straight up say platonic, others won't but it will be clear from what they say. Also when you talk to them, you can ask them what they're looking for, why they joined the site to get an idea what they want. You can also make it clear in your messages that you're looking for fwb, nsa, hookup buddy, whatever term that connotes non-platonic. Then try to move them off the site and onto texting where you can speak more openly without getting banned.

Note that most SBs do NOT want to think of themselves as sex workers. They think what they're doing is something different, more elegant, enhanced dating, whatever, even though it really isn't. If you treat them like that (cut too much to the chase, make it too direct about $$ for intimacy, whatever) many will reject you. This is another reason why the whole car date thing is a terrible idea, its going to make them think you think of them as just a random streetwalker, and that won't work. The exception are pros and semipros on the site, but those are the people you said you're trying to avoid by going into sugaring anyways.