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[QUOTE=Purple45;3172206][URL]http://abc11.com/news/police-id-2-people-killed-in-raleigh-hotel-shooting/1635901/[/URL]

A homeless couple; very sad. The two suspected killers are on the security camera feed so let's hope they will be captured soon.[/QUOTE]So now they are investigating her murder; how commendable. At other times, other valiant LEO officers visit the same hotel, pretending to be johns, and entrap / harrass / arrest such women. But today, it's time to fake concern, and neither LEO nor the reporter hypocrites are telling the real story: namely, that messed-up laws and fundamentalist indoctrination are forcing women to put themselves at such risk, working clandestinely in hotels, with their photos online and exposed to crime, as opposed to, say, in a nice, clean, protected legal bordello like in civilized countries.

[QUOTE=Purple45;3172287]Two former NFL players have been shot and killed in New Orleans because of road rage incidents. People drive like lunatics here in the triangle so you don't have to be elsewhere to be caught up in a potentially bad situation anywhere.

1 - I'm not engaging in any illegal activity. It's not illegal to be with an escort. It's illegal to be caught exchanging money for sex and I don't do that and neither should you.

2 - I always have the right to self defense.

3 - It only takes a moment to be at the wrong place at the wrong time, so be prepared.

I know what your trying to say but I always put my donation down for her time. If a girl starts saying well (x) amount will get you (y) service well my donation stays in my pocket and it's time to say goodbye. Also, I check an area out before I make that last call for her room number. If I feel comfortable then I keep my protection in the car and I proceed. If I don't feel comfortable after checking an area out then I don't make that final call and I move on. The only problem is what happens if something goes wrong while you're spending time with a certain lady? It's too late then, because your protection is in the car. I'm just saying that the possibility is real, especially if you travel to certain places at night and secondly if the girl is involved in heavy drugs. Don't be a victim because you was not prepared![/QUOTE]No offense, but regardless of why you say you are in a hotel with an escort, if you are with one and are involved in a shooting (self defense or not) you are going to have a very hard time dancing your way thru why you were there and involved in that situation. Being in certain places at night (that you know are dangerous? Again, knowingly putting yourself in a dangerous situation because you have a gun can also result in YOU being charged. Your reasons for being there will be scrutinized with a microscope, and you will have no valid reason. This is where intent comes into play. Again, we were taught this in the class.

As far as road rage and people driving like lunatics. A detailed portion of the CC class was very specific about allowing yourself to get involved in a shooting resulting from a road rage incident. If you simply flip someone the bird because they cut you off and it results in some crazy bastard attacking you and you have to defend yourself, you are guilty. You lose the right to use lethal force. If you are armed, you cannot do anything while driving to respond to or provoke any type of emotional outburst. Go online and do the research if you have forgotten. That is not opinion, its a cold fact which is easily verified on the NC DOJ website.

Your two stated reasons for carrying a gun revolve around seeing escorts in dangerous motels and road rage? I am speaking from what we were taught about the law regarding the proper carrying and legal use of a concealed weapon.

Carry your weapon within the confines of the law, thast the best advice.

[QUOTE=Johnny6722;3172344]No offense, but regardless of why you say you are in a hotel with an escort, if you are with one and are involved in a shooting (self defense or not) you are going to have a very hard time dancing your way thru why you were there and involved in that situation. Being in certain places at night (that you know are dangerous? Again, knowingly putting yourself in a dangerous situation because you have a gun can also result in YOU being charged. Your reasons for being there will be scrutinized with a microscope, and you will have no valid reason. This is where intent comes into play. Again, we were taught this in the class.

As far as road rage and people driving like lunatics. A detailed portion of the CC class was very specific about allowing yourself to get involved in a shooting resulting from a road rage incident. If you simply flip someone the bird because they cut you off and it results in some crazy bastard attacking you and you have to defend yourself, you are guilty. You lose the right to use lethal force. If you are armed, you cannot do anything while driving to respond to or provoke any type of emotional outburst. Go online and do the research if you have forgotten. That is not opinion, its a cold fact which is easily verified on the NC DOJ website.

Your two stated reasons for carrying a gun revolve around seeing escorts in dangerous motels and road rage? I am speaking from what we were taught about the law regarding the proper carrying and legal use of a concealed weapon.

Carry your weapon within the confines of the law, thast the best advice.[/QUOTE]No offense taken and I know the points you are trying to make. The law wants the person who does CC to use deadly force as a last result and not make it convenient for a person to use their weapon just because they are carrying one. Got it, however my point is when all else fails and you can't walk away and then you have to protect yourself regardless of the circumstances you are in. Yes, this might mean a day in court to defend yourself before the judge but at least you are alive to do so. Some people in this world have no regards about life so if you value your life and if all else fails at least you have the means to defend / protect yourself.

If you like budget girls at budget motels and you wish to visit them at night then it's just smart to be ready for anything. However, its even smarter when you notice shady characters in the parking lot or people roaming the hallways in hotels and you use your big head and decide to leave without seeing the girl. However a guest at the hotel where the couple was shot and killed said, "There was nothing going on Thursday night to indicate there would be any trouble. " So you just never know and better to be prepared then not prepared. Just like when the girl says, "oh, do you have a cover? Why yes, I do have a cover!

[QUOTE=Johnny6722;3172344]No offense, but regardless of why you say you are in a hotel with an escort, if you are with one and are involved in a shooting (self defense or not) you are going to have a very hard time dancing your way thru why you were there and involved in that situation. Being in certain places at night (that you know are dangerous? Again, knowingly putting yourself in a dangerous situation because you have a gun can also result in YOU being charged. Your reasons for being there will be scrutinized with a microscope, and you will have no valid reason. This is where intent comes into play. Again, we were taught this in the class.

As far as road rage and people driving like lunatics. A detailed portion of the CC class was very specific about allowing yourself to get involved in a shooting resulting from a road rage incident. If you simply flip someone the bird because they cut you off and it results in some crazy bastard attacking you and you have to defend yourself, you are guilty. You lose the right to use lethal force. If you are armed, you cannot do anything while driving to respond to or provoke any type of emotional outburst. Go online and do the research if you have forgotten. That is not opinion, its a cold fact which is easily verified on the NC DOJ website.

Your two stated reasons for carrying a gun revolve around seeing escorts in dangerous motels and road rage? I am speaking from what we were taught about the law regarding the proper carrying and legal use of a concealed weapon.

Carry your weapon within the confines of the law, thast the best advice.[/QUOTE]I too have a CC permit and I do carry. Everything you said is absolutely the truth that pertains to the law. A CC permit allows one and only one thing. That is to carry a concealed weapon in areas that are allowed. It does not give the authority to point the weapon or threaten anyone and definitely not use deadly force. If deadly force is ever used it is now up to the person pulling the trigger to prove why they pulled the trigger to determine their guilt or innocence. Pulling that trigger is a very serious decision. That's the legal part anyone carrying a gun should understand. Now the flip side of that is if a swinging dick is going to play this game he better be prepared to take a chance of getting into some serious shit it can and does happen. An old saying is I would rather explain my actions to a judge and jury than have a relative ID my body. It's a dangerous game be smart or be prepared choose your poison.

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;3172918]Nobody deserves to die in like this, but lets also be real. Reading the article, the family is crying how she loved her kids and implying how wonderful a mother she was. Well she clearly had her drug addictions that meant more to her than her kids. That's obvious in the mugshot photo in the article. And she was allowing her "boyfriend" to obviously pimp her out. Funny, he does not look like a junkie. He probably got her hooked on drugs to lower her inhibitions to be able to sell herself out there. 99-1 they owed someone drug money.

As for the killers, I hope they catch them and fry them. Total disgust with these types of things. Worthless waste of human space who would just go out and kill two people.[/QUOTE]What I can't stop thinking about is -- How did the killers get into the room? They had to have known them. I don't think they owed them drug money because if that were the case, they wouldn't have let them in the room. I think it was a robbery. I think that the two guys were friends of the boyfriend. I believe that Muneka and her Man had no clue that they had anything to worry about when they opened the door and let them in. I'm sure her boyfriend had a gun but no guns or drugs were reported being found at the crime scene. I think it's safe to assume that the killers took everything of value from them, including gun, before or after killing them. But, I don't think we will ever hear the true story and don't think the guys will get caught. There is not going to be a lot of energy from LE on solving the murder of a BP girl and her boyfriend.

[QUOTE=GetControl;3172967]What I can't stop thinking about is -- How did the killers get into the room? They had to have known them. I don't think they owed them drug money because if that were the case, they wouldn't have let them in the room. I think it was a robbery. I think that the two guys were friends of the boyfriend. I believe that Muneka and her Man had no clue that they had anything to worry about when they opened the door and let them in. I'm sure her boyfriend had a gun but no guns or drugs were reported being found at the crime scene. I think it's safe to assume that the killers took everything of value from them, including gun, before or after killing them. But, I don't think we will ever hear the true story and don't think the guys will get caught. There is not going to be a lot of energy from LE on solving the murder of a BP girl and her boyfriend.[/QUOTE]Too many unknowns but it's probably reasonable to say that the boyfriend new the two guys. Now, I believe this case will get attention because a) there are 5 other much nicer hotels nearby and this could affect their business b) this a young mother of three children so many people will be interested in this case. Luckily the two guys were not smart with the security cameras. Also a hotel guest immediately called the police when she heard the shots fired so the response time to the scene was quick. If these two guys escaped by car the outside security camera might have the image since that hotel has a single exit in front of the lobby door. Now Uncle stayed a long time and people were not allowed to enter or leave which tells me that they were thinking the two killers might have had a room in the hotel. Since, they have a photo; uncle can search DMV records and other databases to get a match. These two probably have a prior record because not just anybody walks through a hotel and guns down two people in their room.

[QUOTE=Purple45;3173278]Too many unknowns but it's probably reasonable to say that the boyfriend new the two guys. Now, I believe this case will get attention because a) there are 5 other much nicer hotels nearby and this could affect their business b) this a young mother of three children so many people will be interested in this case. Luckily the two guys were not smart with the security cameras. Also a hotel guest immediately called the police when she heard the shots fired so the response time to the scene was quick. If these two guys escaped by car the outside security camera might have the image since that hotel has a single exit in front of the lobby door. Now Uncle stayed a long time and people were not allowed to enter or leave which tells me that they were thinking the two killers might have had a room in the hotel. Since, they have a photo; uncle can search DMV records and other databases to get a match. These two probably have a prior record because not just anybody walks through a hotel and guns down two people in their room.[/QUOTE]An arrest has been made: [URL]http://abc11.com/news/police-arrest-suspect-in-fatal-raleigh-hotel-shooting/1635901/[/URL].

[QUOTE=Purple45;3173278]Too many unknowns but it's probably reasonable to say that the boyfriend new the two guys. Now, I believe this case will get attention because a) there are 5 other much nicer hotels nearby and this could affect their business b) this a young mother of three children so many people will be interested in this case. Luckily the two guys were not smart with the security cameras. Also a hotel guest immediately called the police when she heard the shots fired so the response time to the scene was quick. If these two guys escaped by car the outside security camera might have the image since that hotel has a single exit in front of the lobby door. Now Uncle stayed a long time and people were not allowed to enter or leave which tells me that they were thinking the two killers might have had a room in the hotel. Since, they have a photo; uncle can search DMV records and other databases to get a match. These two probably have a prior record because not just anybody walks through a hotel and guns down two people in their room.[/QUOTE]He was a suspect in a 2011 attempted murder: [URL]http://www.wral.com/durham-brothers-wanted-for-attempted-murder/10148751/[/URL]. Similar situation except it was an apartment and didn't involve a girl. My golden rule, come to my house or hotel or car unannounced and I'm most likely going to inflict serious injury on the person and ask questions later. Guys like this are why I live by that rule. Muneka's boyfriend should have had the same rule. I just read PenaltyKillers post and seems like her man was never able to protect her. This is really a sad and tragic story of a girl lost. BTW, P45, you were right on all predictions.

[QUOTE=Purple45;3173278]Too many unknowns but it's probably reasonable to say that the boyfriend new the two guys. Now, I believe this case will get attention because a) there are 5 other much nicer hotels nearby and this could affect their business b) this a young mother of three children so many people will be interested in this case. Luckily the two guys were not smart with the security cameras. Also a hotel guest immediately called the police when she heard the shots fired so the response time to the scene was quick. If these two guys escaped by car the outside security camera might have the image since that hotel has a single exit in front of the lobby door. Now Uncle stayed a long time and people were not allowed to enter or leave which tells me that they were thinking the two killers might have had a room in the hotel. Since, they have a photo; uncle can search DMV records and other databases to get a match. These two probably have a prior record because not just anybody walks through a hotel and guns down two people in their room.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the other post that at least one has been identified and arrested. What I want to know is how these guys with long criminal histories are out on the streets. Something very wrong with our criminal justice system.

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Maybe the shooters were unknown to them, and set up an appointment with the intention of robbing them (for drugs or $).

This exact MO has been happening all over the country. Thugs respond to BP ads (gals that don't verify or ask for references), then pistol-whip the gals and steal all their appt money. The majority of working girls would be hesitant to report this type of robbery, ya know?

So maybe the hubby did try to protect her? But failed.

[QUOTE=MollyDaniels;3173702]Maybe the shooters were unknown to them, and set up an appointment with the intention of robbing them (for drugs or $).

This exact MO has been happening all over the country. Thugs respond to BP ads (gals that don't verify or ask for references), then pistol-whip the gals and steal all their appt money. The majority of working girls would be hesitant to report this type of robbery, ya know?

So maybe the hubby did try to protect her? But failed.[/QUOTE]Muneka wasn't a stupid girl. Her rule was only 3 or 4 appointments in a night and she definitely wouldn't see a stranger without some sort of screening from her. Now let's just say he made it pass her phone sniff test, she would have looked through the peephole when he knocked on door and would not have let him in. Those guys were known to the boyfriend or both of them.

[QUOTE=Purple45;3171906]Total B. S. !

Hopefully her phone and the hotel security cameras will give Uncle some clues. She had a male friend when she stayed at the Red Roof on S. Saunders. I usually keep my protection in the car but it's time to keep it on me. A CC class is not very expensive and I suggest you invest in some protection if you're visiting unknown or shady places.[/QUOTE]Jonny beat me to it but this really isn't a good idea. If the situation is bad enough you feel the need to carry then you should not go in. I took the class a long time ago and I would imagine there are exceptions but I'm pretty sure that having the right to legally carry while you are committing a crime does not excuse you using a gun in the commission of a crime. There's also the real possibility of the chick seeing it and freaking out or it being taken while you've got your dick in your hand.

I would never tell someone to not carry. After all we live in a state where depending on who you are and who you shoot, the question of was he with an escort probably won't be relevant. That said, we all have to keep in mind that having the permit does not make you a gunslinger. Depending on what you carry that situation where you panic or fire a shot may cost someone who is not in the room and completely innocent their life.

[QUOTE=GetControl;3173758]Muneka wasn't a stupid girl. Her rule was only 3 or 4 appointments in a night and she definitely wouldn't see a stranger without some sort of screening from her. Now let's just say he made it pass her phone sniff test, she would have looked through the peephole when he knocked on door and would not have let him in. Those guys were known to the boyfriend or both of them.[/QUOTE]I agree. If both her and her boyfriend were shot in their room it was most likely some kind of feud between so called friends. Did Muneka see black guys at all? If she didn't that's further proof I suppose. Lesson to all the ladies out there. Be careful who you associate with and stay off the damn drugs.

[QUOTE=JoeLooking;3174052]Jonny beat me to it but this really isn't a good idea. If the situation is bad enough you feel the need to carry then you should not go in. I took the class a long time ago and I would imagine there are exceptions but I'm pretty sure that having the right to legally carry while you are committing a crime does not excuse you using a gun in the commission of a crime. There's also the real possibility of the chick seeing it and freaking out or it being taken while you've got your dick in your hand.

I would never tell someone to not carry. After all we live in a state where depending on who you are and who you shoot, the question of was he with an escort probably won't be relevant. That said, we all have to keep in mind that having the permit does not make you a gunslinger. Depending on what you carry that situation where you panic or fire a shot may cost someone who is not in the room and completely innocent their life.[/QUOTE]The CC option is an option. Why have car insurance? Why have health or dental coverage? Why have fire insurance? Why have rental insurance? You hope that you never need these things but if you do then you sure are glad you had the coverage.

I don't like the argument that you're committing a crime by seeing an escort. I also don't like the argument that you give up the right to CC for self defense by seeing an escort. Everybody should do their homework on any girl before they make an appointment. Everybody should canvas the location where she is having her incall. That's just smart to be on the lookout for Uncle or possible criminals targeting your vehicle or your wallet. You can do all that you can do but still find yourself in a situation that you didn't expect or plan on.

Do you ever just walk into a hotel room with nobody at the door? Do you conduct a room check before committing to stay? She can do her LE check while I'll check the bathroom and closet. I'm taking just as much risk being there as she is having me there. How many times have guys been in the room and the girl says she will be right back and then two guy enter to take all your money. I have rules too and the secondary lock will be locked and if a girl needs to leave then I get my donation returned before she steps out. Girls take risks and have rules and the hobbyist takes risks and should also have rules. I'm taking an equal risk in meeting her at her incall location. Now back to the CC, it's a just encase option if you find yourself at the wrong place at the wrong time and you fear for your life. Cooperating with criminals still has the possibility they will shoot you anyway just because you can identify them to LE.

I have protection that fits in my pockets and it's still a 9 mm. There are boot holsters and ankle holsters that nobody will notice while getting undressed. Some of you carry a pocket knife and it stays in your pocket. To carry or not to carry is a personal choice but it's a "what if" choice if all else fails and you need to choose between your life or theirs. It would be nice if both the hobbyist, provider and stranger you encounter before, during or after an appointment were on the "up and up". This is not the case unfortunately so everyone has measures in place to minimize risks. We hope for the best but we also should be prepared for the worst. Most homicides in the triangle are either domestic violence or involving criminal activity. How many providers are into drugs or have pimps? You are a potential target by responding to an ad on either CL or BP or picking up a SW on the corner. Something to think about and it's an individual decision on what risks are acceptable and what measures you take to minimize the risks.

[QUOTE=Purple45;3174231]The CC option is an option. Why have car insurance? Why have health or dental coverage? Why have fire insurance? Why have rental insurance? You hope that you never need these things but if you do then you sure are glad you had the coverage.

I don't like the argument that you're committing a crime by seeing an escort. I also don't like the argument that you give up the right to CC for self defense by seeing an escort. Everybody should do their homework on any girl before they make an appointment. Everybody should canvas the location where she is having her incall. That's just smart to be on the lookout for Uncle or possible criminals targeting your vehicle or your wallet. You can do all that you can do but still find yourself in a situation that you didn't expect or plan on.

Do you ever just walk into a hotel room with nobody at the door? Do you conduct a room check before committing to stay? She can do her LE check while I'll check the bathroom and closet. I'm taking just as much risk being their as she is having me there. How many times have guys been in the room and the girl says she will be right back and then two guy enter to take all your money. I have rules too and the secondary lock will be locked and if a girl needs to leave then I get my donation returned before she steps out. Girls take risks and have rules and the hobbyist takes risks and should also have rules. I'm taking an equal risk in meeting her at her incall location. Now back to the CC, it's a just encase option if you find yourself at the wrong place at the wrong time and you fear for your life. Cooperating with criminals still has the possibility they will shoot you anyway just because you can identify them to LE.

I have protection that fits in my pockets and it's still a 9 mm. There are boot holsters and ankle holsters that nobody will notice while getting undressed. Some of you carry a pocket knife and it stays in your pocket. To carry or not to carry is a personal choice but it's a "what if" choice if all else fails and you need to choose between your life or theirs. It would be nice if both the hobbyist, provider and stranger you encounter before, during or after an appointment were on the "up and up". This is not the case unfortunately so everyone has measures in place to minimize risks. We hope for the best but we also should be prepared for the worst. Most homicides in the triangle are either domestic violence or involving criminal activity. How many providers are into drugs or have pimps? You are a potential target by responding to an ad on either CL or BP or picking up a SW on the corner. Something to think about and it's an individual decision on what risks are acceptable and what measures you take to minimize the risks.[/QUOTE]Well said, Purple!

[QUOTE=InaraIncognito;3174157]I agree. If both her and her boyfriend were shot in their room it was most likely some kind of feud between so called friends. Did Muneka see black guys at all? If she didn't that's further proof I suppose. Lesson to all the ladies out there. Be careful who you associate with and stay off the damn drugs.[/QUOTE]Yes as it was said Muneka wasnt stupid, Despite her number of ads posted on BP she wasnt High Volume at all. Almost was a completely UTR type of girl. She did get busted once for Prostitution SO I suspect that one time she let her guard down.

I saw her on 5 different occasions and even tho her screening wasnt all that tight our first visit started off awkwardly. I could tell she was nervous and didn't trust me fully and I was the same way. And yes me being not only Black but young made it that way. She did tell me she didn't see Blk guys that often so I did have to put in a little extra work to make her comfortable with me. After all this I also assume She or Her Bf knew these guys that's why they was able to get into that room so easily.

Caller: We were sleeping and then we just heard gunshots and yelling.

Operator: You said somebody has a gun?

Caller: Yes, I heard gunshots in the hallway.

Caller: You can hear somebody not breathing. Trying to breathe.

Operator: Right outside your door?

Caller: No, my cousin got close to the door and he can hear it.

I'm angry and sad over this whole thing. Two people just don't show up at 4:45 am to talk. They planned to kill one or both. The reason why is not important, but it is because two people are dead. Three children lost their parents. Two or more people didn't give a shit and made the determination that this man and woman's life were nothing.

[QUOTE=Purple45;3174730]Caller: We were sleeping and then we just heard gunshots and yelling.

Operator: You said somebody has a gun?

Caller: Yes, I heard gunshots in the hallway.

Caller: You can hear somebody not breathing. Trying to breathe.

Operator: Right outside your door?

Caller: No, my cousin got close to the door and he can hear it.

I'm angry and sad over this whole thing. Two people just don't show up at 4:45 am to talk. They planned to kill one or both. The reason why is not important, but it is because two people are dead. Three children lost their parents. Two or more people didn't give a shit and made the determination that this man and woman's life were nothing.[/QUOTE]I couldn't have said it better myself. I'm pretty angry and heartbroken with this situation. I had been seeing her for well over a year now and was quite often too. I like to think we had become friends and would check in on her when I wasn't seeing her just to say hi and wish her well. I actually texted her very shortly after the incident happened. I've been thinking about it every since.

[QUOTE=Purple45;3174730]Caller: We were sleeping and then we just heard gunshots and yelling.

Operator: You said somebody has a gun?

Caller: Yes, I heard gunshots in the hallway.

Caller: You can hear somebody not breathing. Trying to breathe.

Operator: Right outside your door?

Caller: No, my cousin got close to the door and he can hear it.

I'm angry and sad over this whole thing. Two people just don't show up at 4:45 am to talk. They planned to kill one or both. The reason why is not important, but it is because two people are dead. Three children lost their parents. Two or more people didn't give a shit and made the determination that this man and woman's life were nothing.[/QUOTE]She was pregnant. [URL]http://www.wral.com/mom-wants-daughter-s-boyfriend-s-killers-to-suffer-/16309811/[/URL].

[QUOTE=MollyDaniels;3173702]Maybe the shooters were unknown to them, and set up an appointment with the intention of robbing them (for drugs or $).

This exact MO has been happening all over the country. Thugs respond to BP ads (gals that don't verify or ask for references), then pistol-whip the gals and steal all their appt money. The majority of working girls would be hesitant to report this type of robbery, ya know?

So maybe the hubby did try to protect her? But failed.[/QUOTE]These two suspects have a history of robbery. In the car that was eluding the police on Sunday was: a) numerous firearms b) uniforms from the Durham Police Department which had been stolen from a prior burglary c) several identifications that would match back to some robbery of those victims.

Possible robbery of a BP girl? One of the suspects and his brother were involved in an Durham apartment robbery in 2011 where they shot the two male victims multiple times.

Prosecutors say, there is video of Muneka and her boyfriend being murdered execution-style.

Muneka's mother says, her daughter was pregnant with her 4th child.

The family is raising money for funeral expenses [URL]https://www.gofundme.com/for-the-funeral-for-my-niece[/URL].

[URL]http://abc11.com/news/victims-mother-wants-death-penalty-in-hotel-murders/1641208/[/URL]

Who knows how many unnamed victims are out there or how many unsolved cases are related to these two charged suspects and their associates.

[QUOTE=Purple45;3175959]These two suspects have a history of robbery. In the car that was eluding the police on Sunday was: a) numerous firearms b) uniforms from the Durham Police Department which had been stolen from a prior burglary c) several identifications that would match back to some robbery of those victims.

Possible robbery of a BP girl? One of the suspects and his brother were involved in an Durham apartment robbery in 2011 where they shot the two male victims multiple times.

Prosecutors say, there is video of Muneka and her boyfriend being murdered execution-style.

Muneka's mother says, her daughter was pregnant with her 4th child.

The family is raising money for funeral expenses [URL]https://www.gofundme.com/for-the-funeral-for-my-niece[/URL].

[URL]http://abc11.com/news/victims-mother-wants-death-penalty-in-hotel-murders/1641208/[/URL]

Who knows how many unnamed victims are out there or how many unsolved cases are related to these two charged suspects and their associates.[/QUOTE]At the moment, I'm having a hard time being anything but totally *ucking angry. I'm a marksman.

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Before you post stuff like that you need to be a whole lot more sure than "thinking" this is the POS.

You need to make a case for it.

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Please delete my most-recent post. I'm 99 percent certain that's the guy's Facebook page, but the 1 percent uncertainty I'm not comfortable with. If I'm mistaken (and I don't believe I am) I don't want to cause anyone unnecessary trouble.

[blue]Already did for this very reason hoss. It speaks well of you that you asked.

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[QUOTE=Purple45;3174231]The CC option is an option. Why have car insurance? Why have health or dental coverage? Why have fire insurance? Why have rental insurance? You hope that you never need these things but if you do then you sure are glad you had the coverage.

[/QUOTE]I'd never tell someone not to carry and like my dad always said "It's better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6". That said, the course for a cc permit in NC is not that rigorous so I always exercise caution. Even a 9 mm can penetrate a hotel wall if you miss and there are many people who are overestimate their ability to shoot as well as their understanding of the law. In addition, there are tons of guys who fall for the girls and carrying in combination with that is asking for trouble. I've actually had more than one provider tell me about older guys they see who carry a pistol to keep from getting robbed and have shown it to them. Again, if you feel the need to carry then by all means do it just be careful, have your own personal rules about when you will use it (notice I said use not pull) and please take a dynamic shooting course.

I know many of you seem upset and some of you angry and as cold as this is going to sound, DON'T. I saw Muneka on two occasions and she was sweet to me each time but there was something off about her. I remember the last time (it was a long time ago) she told me a relative had passed and left her a house I think heading towards Wilmington. I believe she also told me that she did not have a regular day job and pretty much worked when she wanted and saw who she wanted. The first time I saw her she was on capital at abvi and when I asked why she was in such a shit hole pretty much she told me that nobody bothered her there and too many girls were getting busted on capital. She was also one of the ones who was decent on the price, depending on the time of day and how pleasant you were in the conversation.

Back to the something off. For starters she had a guys name tattooed on her lower back (the guy she died with) and she had 3 kids presumably by him at 22. Also, neither of them were working and if he was in that hotel he knew what she was doing, given that she was actively posting. Yes mine and many others are the generations of boys, but also the generations of dumb women. Hell I'm sure there were no shortage of sugar daddies or would be sds from here who would have in exchange for regular hookups put her on her feet but she choose Dwayne. As a father I'm pretty comfortable saying that she chose Dwayne over her kids (as any man knows for the right woman we'll shovel poop 12 hours a day to put food on the table and provide a home). She was 22 and seems to have family in the area so she probably had options other than staying with him. I've know women with similar stories and usually their kids are with family but they are not because people will take the kids but won't deal with their bs.

Yes she was apparently pregnant, yes some of her relatives had called her a good person who fell on hard times but we all choose the lives we lead. None of us know at this point why those men were there or why they killed them. Back when I saw her she seemed selective about who to see when it got late and I think I got in the first time because of my phone demeanor (IMO I don't "sound white" but I hear it enough to wonder). It's possible the killers knew her or the boyfriend or one of them may have tricked with her earlier and then gone back when they thought she had more money. It's also possible there was a deeper connection.

No matter what the why is, I strongly encourage other guys on here to compartmentalize, take a break from the hobby or find someone to talk to. Harboring the wrong kinds of feelings about this kind of thing can lead to some bad consequences. Years ago I knew a guy who "loved" a SW and when she died he went to her funeral. Because he had trouble processing what happened he ended up wasting a lot of money on her family who pretty much used him and his guilt as a piggy bank. Another guy who knew her moved on but became very paternal with the sws he would see. He even asked one who said she wanted to clean up to move in with him since she didn't have anywhere to go. In the end he was robbed and got the clap for his efforts.

I'm sure I sound pretty callous but many of us who post here have far more to lose than a lot of women who post on BP. Times like this are dangerous for guys like us, not because of shooters, but because of the emotions that come with sex (it's harder for us than for them). Please use your best judgement out there and stay safe.

On a side note, I want to say thanks to the moderators for not letting us post full names in public. Some jag has some backpage posts with her real name saying RIP all but ensuring that when her kids grow up they'll know what she did.

[QUOTE=JoeLooking;3176311]I know many of you seem upset and some of you angry and as cold as this is going to sound, DON'T. I saw Muneka on two occasions and she was sweet to me each time but there was something off about her.[/QUOTE]She and her boyfriend made their choices about how they wanted to live. We all do and some of us make better choices then others. Regardless of the lost of custody, regardless of living in hotels, regardless of a little partying, regardless of not holding a regular job there is NO reason for two people to get a) robbed or b) MURDERED execution style. That is cold and heartless and that is why I'm angry. I saw her three times so it hits home a little harder. Everyone's life has value regardless of how they choose to live including the suspects lives but they just forfited their rights and like cancer they need to be permanently removed from society.

Seems like there are more then a few guys pretty tore up over this young ladies passing. But only $50.00 donated to her funeral go fund me page. Just saying.

[QUOTE=JoeLooking;3176311]
On a side note, I want to say thanks to the moderators for not letting us post full names in public. Some jag has some backpage posts with her real name saying RIP all but ensuring that when her kids grow up they'll know what she did.[/QUOTE]I looked at the ad on backpage and it seems to me to be a "family member's ad". The ad is asking for money, has an email address that was obviously created post RIP and has pictures from her Facebook page. I must admit, I don't know anything about Facebook, but the pictures seem to be from her phone or at least from her "sign in".

[QUOTE=Seven4535;3176715]Seems like there are more then a few guys pretty tore up over this young ladies passing. But only $50.00 donated to her funeral go fund me page. Just saying.[/QUOTE]The original target was 20 k or something and last I looked it's 100 k. I feel bad for her but I'm not donating.

[QUOTE=Ronnor;3176997]I looked at the ad on backpage and it seems to me to be a "family member's ad". The ad is asking for money, has an email address that was obviously created post RIP and has pictures from her Facebook page. I must admit, I don't know anything about Facebook, but the pictures seem to be from her phone or at least from her "sign in".[/QUOTE]Why would you use BP as a way to raise Money for Her. I'm pretty sure not alot of people in her family knew what she did for money but now they will know and alot of Judgement is gone be passed upon this young girls life.

[QUOTE=Seven4535;3176715]Seems like there are more then a few guys pretty tore up over this young ladies passing. But only $50.00 donated to her funeral go fund me page. Just saying.[/QUOTE]Changed the target back to 10 k.

[QUOTE=DMizzle26;3177230]Why would you use BP as a way to raise Money for Her. I'm pretty sure not alot of people in her family knew what she did for money but now they will know and alot of Judgement is gone be passed upon this young girls life.[/QUOTE]That's really inappropriate, I 'reported' the ad and would suggest others do so as well.

[QUOTE=GetControl;3177060]The original target was 20 k or something and last I looked it's 100 k. I feel bad for her but I'm not donating.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DMizzle26;3177230]Why would you use BP as a way to raise Money for Her. I'm pretty sure not alot of people in her family knew what she did for money but now they will know and alot of Judgement is gone be passed upon this young girls life.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GetControl;3177247]Changed the target back to 10 k.[/QUOTE]When the page was created it had spelling, grammar and punctuation errors. Throw in a 100 K target for a funeral expenses and not only did it look unprofessional but greedy as well. I'm sure people were turned off while others are suspicious over the excution style murders. The news media were the first to post the GoFundMe link and maybe someone should have proof read it and helped guide the family. Where is Muneka's father? Where is the boyfriend's family? It appears that there is little support of any kind from within.

[QUOTE=Purple45;3177730]Throw in a 100 K target for a funeral expenses and not only did it look unprofessional but greedy as well.[/QUOTE]GetControl meant the GoFundMe goal went from $20 k to $10 k. It was never $100 k, that was GetControl's mistake.

[QUOTE=Ronnor;3177815]GetControl meant the GoFundMe goal went from $20 k to $10 k. It was never $100 k, that was GetControl's mistake.[/QUOTE]It was 100 K but the amount changed yesterday. I visited the fundraiser site on Monday and then posted the link in post #300. The link has been shared 79 times on Facebook so hopefully the donations will flow.

Toftt in a different sense. I won't mention the provider name because she learnered her lesson. You ever have that bad odor kick in and wonder why she didn't shower before she saw you. I did and I had enough. After fucking her I took my cock out and told her to suck my dick. She started to take the cover off and I stopped her not because I enjoy CBJ but becaause I wanted her to taste her disgusting pussy smell. She was cringing and I asked how it tasted. She confessed not great so I told her to stop and made her take a shower with me. I told her that's what guys smell when you don't shower in between. Promised it would never happen again. Came back out bed her over in k9 and pounded her took off cover and sprayed her ass. She was getting in shower as I was leaving getting ready for the next one.

[QUOTE=Dsrtp1;3178076]Toftt in a different sense. I won't mention the provider name because she learnered her lesson. You ever have that bad odor kick in and wonder why she didn't shower before she saw you. I did and I had enough. After fucking her I took my cock out and told her to suck my dick. She started to take the cover off and I stopped her not because I enjoy CBJ but becaause I wanted her to taste her disgusting pussy smell. She was cringing and I asked how it tasted. She confessed not great so I told her to stop and made her take a shower with me. I told her that's what guys smell when you don't shower in between. Promised it would never happen again. Came back out bed her over in k9 and pounded her took off cover and sprayed her ass. She was getting in shower as I was leaving getting ready for the next one.[/QUOTE]New sheriff is in town and thanks for making folks fall in line.

It makes me sad to hear of a brutal murder like this. And I can fully understand why her former clients feel an even more intense sense of loss, I've had that same feeling with every one I've ever known that passed away, even if I didn't know them well.

What bothers me about some of the posts I've seen here is how there seems to be a tendency to minimize the role of drugs that exists in these violent crimes in almost every case. I know that details are not yet fully known in this particular case, but we do know that both victims were participants in illegal drug use, and 9 times out of 10 when there is a shooting like this, drugs are involved in some way or another. Most of the time it's some variation of a drug related robbery -- someone owes someone money or someone knows someone has money for the taking because they've been involved in a drug transaction with them at some point. I seriously doubt these were just random robbers that chose a girl off BP at random.

Even if the drugs were not a direct motive for the killings, all drugs encourage a "live on the edge" lifestyle like these young people were living. Hooking out of a hotel room to make ends meet, for example. Everyone can sugarcoat it and say things like she was careful, she was low volume, etc. But this death could have been avoided by smarter lifestyle choices by the victims.

It's not until society starts holding everyone accountable for their irresponsible decisions that this kind of violence can be curtailed. When someone gets killed there is an automatic outpouring for the victim and an instant denial about how they got into that situation in the first place.

When young adults make the conscious choice to partake in illegal drug use, then find themselves in a predicament (like homelessness) as a result of their own actions, then are injured or killed as a result of those actions, it does ABSOLUTELY NO GOOD to ignore the fact that if they had just stayed off drugs they would still be alive. Allowing ourselves to be in denial only makes it certain that more young people will be lured into the drug lifestyle, and more of them will die violently.

[blue]I moved this idiots post here to make it easier. Feel free to tell him what a fucking douche he is.

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[QUOTE=Fappernator;3178824]What bothers me about some of the posts I've seen here is how there seems to be a tendency to minimize the role of drugs that exists in these violent crimes in almost every case. I know that details are not yet fully known in this particular case, but we do know that both victims were participants in illegal drug use, and 9 times out of 10 when there is a shooting like this, drugs are involved in some way or another. Most of the time it's some variation of a drug related robbery -- someone owes someone money or someone knows someone has money for the taking because they've been involved in a drug transaction with them at some point. I seriously doubt these were just random robbers that chose a girl off BP at random.

Even if the drugs were not a direct motive for the killings, all drugs encourage a "live on the edge" lifestyle like these young people were living. Hooking out of a hotel room to make ends meet, for example. Everyone can sugarcoat it and say things like she was careful, she was low volume, etc. But this death could have been avoided by smarter lifestyle choices by the victims.[/QUOTE]I saw your first post in the BP thread and now this one in the NEWS thread. First of all, both post should have been here. Secondly, shut up. Seriously, you're a troll. There are a ton of things that happen in her life that led her down this path. The point is, she was 22 years old, she had 3 kids, which means she was a kid when she had her kids and now she's dead. Murdered. Executed. Didn't get a chance to turn her life around. She may have. If she were alive or some how got lucky and survived, she might have but she's dead so she can't.

Your post, both of them, are trash. Did it make you feel good to pass judgement on a hooker on a pussy forum? Get a life, clown.

[QUOTE=Dsrtp1;3178076]Toftt in a different sense. I won't mention the provider name because she learnered her lesson. You ever have that bad odor kick in and wonder why she didn't shower before she saw you. I did and I had enough. After fucking her I took my cock out and told her to suck my dick. She started to take the cover off and I stopped her not because I enjoy CBJ but becaause I wanted her to taste her disgusting pussy smell. She was cringing and I asked how it tasted. She confessed not great so I told her to stop and made her take a shower with me. I told her that's what guys smell when you don't shower in between. Promised it would never happen again. Came back out bed her over in k9 and pounded her took off cover and sprayed her ass. She was getting in shower as I was leaving getting ready for the next one.[/QUOTE]Do you have a link / name?