The Woodshed

[QUOTE=PlayTiem;2292484]When there's only one report for a provider, and the services listed don't match the details. "CIM? Yes, swallows" - in details, "came on her back. ".[/QUOTE]Yeah, I know what you mean. I mean I like seeing the intel there, but have had WAY too many with amazing reviews on The othER site saying they are all hot and stuff, and they are not. They are used to be's. Common thing. The guys are afraid to speak the truth about the girls they see. The just put the same level as the guy before them. I know not everyone does, but enough that I notice. It's a bummer.

[QUOTE=TallBear;2292185] ...harsh reality.... [/QUOTE]Assuming leyo doesn't discriminate, I sometimes sort by it.

Be safe.

G.

[QUOTE=DogboyJax;2292161]I haven't heard anyone say that the providers don't have the right to sell it (or not sell it) to whoever they choose. So the real controversy here is whether it's "racist" for them to advertise that they will not see AA men. OF COURSE IT IS. The providers are saying in essence that for whatever reason -- whether because they were ripped off or beaten by an AA man or because they grew up with parents who wore white hoods on the weekend -- they believe all AA men are cheap, dangerous, or whatever. Believing that all members of a race share the same characteristics is the definition of racism regardless of WHY you believe that. Denying that these providers are racist because they have a reason for their racism makes you sound ignorant and racist.

That said, why does anyone give a shit if the providers are racist? On average, the providers are some of the dumbest, least educated, least skilled, least influential, and most powerless members of society. They are almost all habitually addicted to drugs. They make their living (such as it is) through criminal activity. It makes you sound petty and race-obsessed to complain about the stupid attitudes and biases of such people.[/QUOTE]So if I don't want to see black women am I a racist? Why are we so quick to label people! Sometimes it just boils down to personal preference's. I've actually had this discussion once with a provider I was seeing, I have a black friend that was interested in seeing her, she said black guys just weren't her thing. She also told me she had refused to see guys that we're over weight, I guess that made her prejudice against fat people! Really this discussion in pointless, whether their racist, I'm sure some are, or they just don't care for dark meat does it really matter? JD.

[QUOTE=JaxDog;2292601]So if I don't want to see black women am I a racist? Why are we so quick to label people! Sometimes it just boils down to personal preference's. I've actually had this discussion once with a provider I was seeing, I have a black friend that was interested in seeing her, she said black guys just weren't her thing. She also told me she had refused to see guys that we're over weight, I guess that made her prejudice against fat people! Really this discussion in pointless, whether their racist, I'm sure some are, or they just don't care for dark meat does it really matter? JD.[/QUOTE]We are not talking about girls who are not attracted to black men. If this is the case, I cannot blame them for it is a preference thing. What we are talking about is girls who discriminate against men of color because they deem us to all be alike; that is, thugs, pimps, gangsters, or criminals. This is what pisses people off. Why? Because some of us have worked very hard to separate ourselves from these negative characters (black or white). It's not fair to throw us in the same category. I bet if they needed a transplant (heart, lungs, kidneys, etc.), they wouldn't be concerned about someone being a thug, pimp, gangster, or criminal. Anyway, I agree with this one thing that you said, it is pointless but not for the reasons you mentioned. Some of us are professionals in our personal lives and we've worked hard to achieve these things and we deserve respect. Most white people even tell blacks to pick themselves up by the bootstraps, go to school, and work hard but when we do, you still want to label us and throw us in the same category as those other punks!

[BLUE]Are you guys starting to see why I have to shut conversations like this down? It's been a couple days, all points have pretty much been heard and now the fractions are starting to identify themselves and specifically attack each other. Get in your parting shots, I'm pretty sure I'll be ending it tomorrow.

A2[/BLUE]

[QUOTE=Admin2;2292756][BLUE]Are you guys starting to see why I have to shut conversations like this down? It's been a couple days, all points have pretty much been heard and now the fractions are starting to identify themselves and specifically attack each other. Get in your parting shots, I'm pretty sure I'll be ending it tomorrow.

A2[/BLUE][/QUOTE]LOL, had no idea the post would get this wild, I'll post from a neutral perspective (Caribbean who's Great Great Grand father was European).

I will repeat what feminist love chanting "My body my choice", she (just as you) have a choice to see who they want to see. Arguing, complaining, blaming, will not change that, and it shouldn't since it is her p*why we're talking about. If you saw me, I would be seen as black, yet I rarely (if ever) ran into the issues AA's supposedly have. I'm fairly articulate, educated, libertarian, dressed right and almost everywhere I go I'm treated like everyone else. I've called providers and after talking a bit tell them I'm Caribbean / black and if it is an issue; I have never gotten a "I don't see black dudes", because I sound educated / nice over the phone.

A lot of the "no AA" ads have a age requirement (30-40), which tells me its not racism, but past experience in dealing with AA under that age in a BP setting, and I say more power to them, safety first. I had girls tell me the AA's would take the donation after the session was over, or even attempt to rob them, they never have this issue with other races (white, hispanic, asian, etc), so in order to avoid that they just screen out AA's entirely or have a age requirement, and being in that position I would have done the same thing.

Like A2 said, we should get back to the main topic at hand, no one comes on USAsexguides to get their mind changed about their way of life, just like how you can't convince some people to stop doing SWers bareback, LOL.

[QUOTE=Admin2;2292756][BLUE]Are you guys starting to see why I have to shut conversations like this down? It's been a couple days, all points have pretty much been heard and now the fractions are starting to identify themselves and specifically attack each other. Get in your parting shots, I'm pretty sure I'll be ending it tomorrow.

A2[/BLUE][/QUOTE]This was originally about providers who don't see AA men. After participating in this thread I am now ok with these providers not wanting my business. Name one of them that is well reviewed and talked about on here often. Then maybe I will feel like I'm missing out. Most of them are 20 something year old uneducated junkies who made too many bad decisions. Ex strippers and party girls turn prostitute. Not even smart enough not to use the same BP pics on FB.

Let's all end this debate and start a new one. How about one that will benefit us all. Name the providers you recommend most.

[QUOTE=Quebec99;2292731]We are not talking about girls who are not attracted to black men. If this is the case, I cannot blame them for it is a preference thing. What we are talking about is girls who discriminate against men of color because they deem us to all be alike; that is, thugs, pimps, gangsters, or criminals. This is what pisses people off. Why? Because some of us have worked very hard to separate ourselves from these negative characters (black or white). It's not fair to throw us in the same category. I bet if they needed a transplant (heart, lungs, kidneys, etc.), they wouldn't be concerned about someone being a thug, pimp, gangster, or criminal. Anyway, I agree with this one thing that you said, it is pointless but not for the reasons you mentioned. Some of us are professionals in our personal lives and we've worked hard to achieve these things and we deserve respect. Most white people even tell blacks to pick themselves up by the bootstraps, go to school, and work hard but when we do, you still want to label us and throw us in the same category as those other punks![/QUOTE]You put it exactly right.

[QUOTE=Fishguy717;2292528]Yeah, I know what you mean. I mean I like seeing the intel there, but have had WAY too many with amazing reviews on The othER site saying they are all hot and stuff, and they are not. They are used to be's. Common thing. The guys are afraid to speak the truth about the girls they see. The just put the same level as the guy before them. I know not everyone does, but enough that I notice. It's a bummer.[/QUOTE]That's because they will censure you a bit if you do post too negative a review over there. You really need to check t see if a 1 reviewed provider's review is by a 1 review reviewer as these gals all try to play that game.

[QUOTE=EaglesSb;2292785]LOL, had no idea the post would get this wild, I'll post from a neutral perspective (Caribbean who's Great Great Grand father was European).

I will repeat what feminist love chanting "My body my choice", she (just as you) have a choice to see who they want to see. Arguing, complaining, blaming, will not change that, and it shouldn't since it is her p*why we're talking about. If you saw me, I would be seen as black, yet I rarely (if ever) ran into the issues AA's supposedly have. I'm fairly articulate, educated, libertarian, dressed right and almost everywhere I go I'm treated like everyone else. I've called providers and after talking a bit tell them I'm Caribbean / black and if it is an issue; I have never gotten a "I don't see black dudes", because I sound educated / nice over the phone.

A lot of the "no AA" ads have a age requirement (30-40), which tells me its not racism, but past experience in dealing with AA under that age in a BP setting, and I say more power to them, safety first. I had girls tell me the AA's would take the donation after the session was over, or even attempt to rob them, they never have this issue with other races (white, hispanic, asian, etc), so in order to avoid that they just screen out AA's entirely or have a age requirement, and being in that position I would have done the same thing.

Like A2 said, we should get back to the main topic at hand, no one comes on USAsexguides to get their mind changed about their way of life, just like how you can't convince some people to stop doing SWers bareback, LOL.[/QUOTE]Holy shit! We got to meet, you just described me and exactly what I do.

OS 1971 Immigrant small wooden raft and a bottle of rum, that's how I got here.

[QUOTE=DogboyJax;2292161] "Believing that all members of a race share the same characteristics is the definition of racism"
Denying that these providers are racist because they have a reason for their racism makes you sound ignorant and racist. [/QUOTE]Not to make you sound ignorant and racist but. NO! What you defined is STEREOTYPING Which is exactly what you are doing in your post, stereotyping any provider that refuses to serve AA males as a racist.

AND USING THE WRONG DEFINITIONS to do it! JEEZE.

Rac·ism -The belief that a particular race is superior to another. -having or showing the belief that a particular race is superior to another.

Pretty simple, Please read and understand those words. It is not racist to refuse service to another race, it is RACIST to refuse service because you think your RACE is superior to the race you refuse service to.

And since the last sentence in your post was.

[QUOTE=DogboyJax;2292161]"That said, why does anyone give a shit if the providers are racist? On average, the providers are some of the dumbest, least educated, least skilled, least influential, and most powerless members of society. They are almost all habitually addicted to drugs. They make their living (such as it is) through criminal activity.[/QUOTE]We can assume, though you don't meet the criteria for being a racist yourself (at least not in this thread), you are certainly coming off as bigoted and very willing to stereotype when it suits you.

BIGOTED. Having or revealing an obstinate belief in the superiority of one's own opinions and a prejudiced intolerance of the opinions of others.

YOU WERE MAKING A POINT, I agree, BUT USING THE WRONG WORDS AND DEFINITIONS TO DO IT. YOU WERE CLOSE BUT DIDN'T EVER QUITE MAKE IT.

THE GIRLS ON BACKPAGE ARE RACIAL PROFILING! See, they are racially profiling the AA men by making the assumption THAT since some AA men, boys really, ARE THUGGISH and a real risk to their personal safety, probably MOST are. So now. At least you know what to call it when you complain about it.

And. NO I don't agree with racial profiling any more than I can stand a bigot or a racist. But I also don't blame someone / ANYONE for putting their personal safety ABOVE any concern they may have about a desperate group of MONGERS (US! Whining and crying about their "racist" ads on backpage.

RANT OFF.

[QUOTE=DogboyJax;2292161]I haven't heard anyone say that the providers don't have the right to sell it (or not sell it) to whoever they choose. So the real controversy here is whether it's "racist" for them to advertise that they will not see AA men. OF COURSE IT IS. The providers are saying in essence that for whatever reason -- whether because they were ripped off or beaten by an AA man or because they grew up with parents who wore white hoods on the weekend -- they believe all AA men are cheap, dangerous, or whatever. Believing that all members of a race share the same characteistics is the definition of racism regardless of WHY you believe that. Denying that these providers are racist because they have a reason for their racism makes you sound ignorant and racist.

That said, why does anyone give a shit if the providers are racist? On average, the providers are some of the dumbest, least educated, least skilled, least influential, and most powerless members of society. They are almost all habitually addicted to drugs. They make their living (such as it is) through criminal activity. It makes you sound petty and race-obsessed to complain about the stupid attitudes and biases of such people.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldSchool;2293082]Holy shit! We got to meet, you just described me and exactly what I do.

OS 1971 Immigrant small wooden raft and a bottle of rum, that's how I got here.[/QUOTE]You from the islands too! Nice.

Its amazing when you say you are from the Caribbean, its like "come on in".

[QUOTE=MudslideSlim;2293847]Not to make you sound ignorant and racist but. NO! What you defined is STEREOTYPING Which is exactly what you are doing in your post, stereotyping any provider that refuses to serve AA males as a racist.

AND USING THE WRONG DEFINITIONS to do it! JEEZE.

Racism -The belief that a particular race is superior to another. -having or showing the belief that a particular race is superior to another.

Pretty simple, Please read and understand those words. It is not racist to refuse service to another race, it is RACIST to refuse service because you think your RACE is superior to the race you refuse service to.

And since the last sentence in your post was.

We can assume, though you don't meet the criteria for being a racist yourself (at least not in this thread), you are certainly coming off as bigoted and very willing to stereotype when it suits you.

BIGOTED. Having or revealing an obstinate belief in the superiority of one's own opinions and a prejudiced intolerance of the opinions of others.

YOU WERE MAKING A POINT, I agree, BUT USING THE WRONG WORDS AND DEFINITIONS TO DO IT. YOU WERE CLOSE BUT DIDN'T EVER QUITE MAKE IT.

THE GIRLS ON BACKPAGE ARE RACIAL PROFILING! See, they are racially profiling the AA men by making the assumption THAT since some AA men, boys really, ARE THUGGISH and a real risk to their personal safety, probably MOST are. So now. At least you know what to call it when you complain about it.

And. NO I don't agree with racial profiling any more than I can stand a bigot or a racist. But I also don't blame someone / ANYONE for putting their personal safety ABOVE any concern they may have about a desperate group of MONGERS (US! Whining and crying about their "racist" ads on backpage.

RANT OFF.[/QUOTE]I'm not white, but I like to get in my car & drive faster than other people & hopefully beat them to the next light. That must mean I'm racist. Anybody up for a quarter mile?

[QUOTE=ScottBon1230;2294249]I'm not white, but I like to get in my car & drive faster than other people & hopefully beat them to the next light. That must mean I'm racist. Anybody up for a quarter mile?[/QUOTE]Ok. Before A2 pulls the plug can we be done with this discussion? I'm an American African (AA) man myself and welcome any and all discussions on these topics but for the life of me I've missed how any of it has helped any of us get laid. And for those non-SEC football fans who don't know what my version of AA means, my Dad was American and my Mum African and I was conceived and born in South Africa. Let's go out and get sucked and fucked, shall we!

[quote=scottbon1230;2294249]i'm not white, but i like to get in my car & drive faster than other people & hopefully beat them to the next light. That must mean i'm racist. Anybody up for a quarter mile?[/quote]beauty. Well said!

I have seen ads by AA women which say "no white men", and others also by AA women which say "no AA men". Very few of these ads, however.

I had a guy come in off the street to where I work and said "I seen where you are hiring" he had in pants hanging under his ass, a ball cap angled sideways and a t shirt twice the size it should be. He then says to me, let me AX youse a question, do you all have something I can do. I said no walking, talking and looking like you do, this is a place of business, not a street corner. Am I a racist? Oh before you answer, the dude was white. I have worked with several professional articulate and good work ethic AA- both men and women. I have worked with some that weren't. Both black and white. Thugs are thugs, color doesn't matter. You dress like, talk like, walk like a thug, there is no business going to hire you. Just saying.

[QUOTE=Luknaround;2295146]I had a guy come in off the street to where I work and said "I seen where you are hiring" he had in pants hanging under his ass, a ball cap angled sideways and a t shirt twice the size it should be. He then says to me, let me AX youse a question, do you all have something I can do. I said no walking, talking and looking like you do, this is a place of business, not a street corner. Am I a racist? Oh before you answer, the dude was white. I have worked with several professional articulate and good work ethic AA- both men and women. I have worked with some that weren't. Both black and white. Thugs are thugs, color doesn't matter. You dress like, talk like, walk like a thug, there is no business going to hire you. Just saying.[/QUOTE]People should be judged by who they are not what other people in their groups do or what they are. I have no gold teeth, college grad, articulate, professional, dress well, polite, a gentleman, not a pimp or thug, etc. Judge me based on these qualities. Tell you the truth, I think a lot of ladies don't see men of color because they tend to not want to give up as much money as the counterpart. This is one of the main factors besides acting like a gangster. Again, if I were a provider, I wouldn't see any AA men under 40. White gents under 30. It's all about screening.

[QUOTE=Luknaround;2295146]I had a guy come in off the street to where I work and said "I seen where you are hiring" he had in pants hanging under his ass, a ball cap angled sideways and a t shirt twice the size it should be. He then says to me, let me AX youse a question, do you all have something I can do. I said no walking, talking and looking like you do, this is a place of business, not a street corner. Am I a racist? Oh before you answer, the dude was white. I have worked with several professional articulate and good work ethic AA- both men and women. I have worked with some that weren't. Both black and white. Thugs are thugs, color doesn't matter. You dress like, talk like, walk like a thug, there is no business going to hire you. Just saying.[/QUOTE]Luk.

Awwww man you should've given M & M a chance, yo. He could've had mad skills, you know what I'm sayin, yo?

Did you at least ax him if he mongers?

[blue]This thing, this thing right here is why we normally shut conversations like these down, and why I am shutting this one down as of today. No it is not funny and it's why Jackson says that this subject can't be discussed reasonably on the forum. I know this was intended to be a play on the quoted post but while the OP made a point, this post just plays on the racial stereotype.

Change the subject, any further posts on this topic will be deleted and the member who posts about it will be place on moderation.

A2[/blue]

The former discussion had me receive a number of PMs from one of the most racist and bigoted members I have ever come across here.

All I can say is I should have blocked the dumb jackXXX when I got the first idiotic PM. Don't waste time arguing and feeding their delusions, just block them!!

Had totally forgotten we can do that!!

My first comment / hope is to leave all this senior / regular member qualifications shit where it belongs, in the trash and not on here.

This is a forum to exchange ideas, knowledge and safety concerns for all of us who partake in the hobby. It's not an exclusive club or the cool kids table in the cafeteria. All you have to do to be senior is hang around for awhile and throw a few posts out there, it is not an enlightening coronation or winning an election.

Why don't you look at the number of posts and the quality of posts that anyone on here, regardless of member status, has provided? Isn't that the best gauge of a poster's merits? It seems to me that a lot of good information has been provided by so called newbies for the benefit of all of us. When I achieve senior status, I will continue to share my experiences with all and answer any PM that I get, regardless of status. I believe the spirit of this forum is to promote exactly that!

As for Gina, she is on a break for 10 days to see family out of town. It is not her in the pics. Big deal, they are very close and this is NOT new news. There is plenty of documentation on this site that she had issues in the past but has reformed her ways. She is my ATF and many others as well. It's a great experience and great value for the investment but for you guys that can't get past the pic thing or her behavior prior to getting cleaned up, fine-she is so busy that she really is only taking regulars now anyway and there are plenty of other fake pic chicks for you guys to go explore and complain about.

Suit.

[QUOTE=OnFire2864;2305458]Thanks Fish I know there were other reviews of her but on this phone I have its not allowing me to search for them but tried on my tablet and was able to. A lot of the reviews were from newbies who actually saw her. If she is actually Jen like a few days it is then I will pass. Saw her back in the day and was not impressed at all.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SuitMan;2305598]My first comment / hope is to leave all this senior / regular member qualifications shit where it belongs, in the trash and not on here.

This is a forum to exchange ideas, knowledge and safety concerns for all of us who partake in the hobby. It's not an exclusive club or the cool kids table in the cafeteria. All you have to do to be senior is hang around for awhile and throw a few posts out there, it is not an enlightening coronation or winning an election.

Why don't you look at the number of posts and the quality of posts that anyone on here, regardless of member status, has provided? Isn't that the best gauge of a poster's merits? It seems to me that a lot of good information has been provided by so called newbies for the benefit of all of us. When I achieve senior status, I will continue to share my experiences with all and answer any PM that I get, regardless of status. I believe the spirit of this forum is to promote exactly that!

As for Gina, she is on a break for 10 days to see family out of town. It is not her in the pics. Big deal, they are very close and this is NOT new news. There is plenty of documentation on this site that she had issues in the past but has reformed her ways. She is my ATF and many others as well. It's a great experience and great value for the investment but for you guys that can't get past the pic thing or her behavior prior to getting cleaned up, fine-she is so busy that she really is only taking regulars now anyway and there are plenty of other fake pic chicks for you guys to go explore and complain about.

Suit.[/QUOTE]I have not received the coveted senior status but my cash spends like everyone else. Spice is the variety of life and I just try to share my experiences good or bad maybe help other forum make wise decisions. We all have opinions and that is what I thought this forum was about. I have been doing this many years in many states. I could easily sit back and enjoy the intel without ever making a post. I thought were all here to help each other out. Thats why I signed up.

[QUOTE=SuitMan;2305598]My first comment / hope is to leave all this senior / regular member qualifications shit where it belongs, in the trash and not on here.

This is a forum to exchange ideas, knowledge and safety concerns for all of us who partake in the hobby. It's not an exclusive club or the cool kids table in the cafeteria. All you have to do to be senior is hang around for awhile and throw a few posts out there, it is not an enlightening coronation or winning an election.

Why don't you look at the number of posts and the quality of posts that anyone on here, regardless of member status, has provided? Isn't that the best gauge of a poster's merits? It seems to me that a lot of good information has been provided by so called newbies for the benefit of all of us. When I achieve senior status, I will continue to share my experiences with all and answer any PM that I get, regardless of status. I believe the spirit of this forum is to promote exactly that!

As for Gina, she is on a break for 10 days to see family out of town. It is not her in the pics. Big deal, they are very close and this is NOT new news. There is plenty of documentation on this site that she had issues in the past but has reformed her ways. She is my ATF and many others as well. It's a great experience and great value for the investment but for you guys that can't get past the pic thing or her behavior prior to getting cleaned up, fine-she is so busy that she really is only taking regulars now anyway and there are plenty of other fake pic chicks for you guys to go explore and complain about.

Suit.[/QUOTE]Spoken like a true non senior member!! Hahaaaaaaaaaa.

Just busting your chops. Actually you should have just told everyone to look at what the reqs are to become a senior member, then everyone will know its not all that.

[QUOTE=SuitMan;2305598]My first comment / hope is to leave all this senior / regular member qualifications shit where it belongs, in the trash and not on here.

This is a forum to exchange ideas, knowledge and safety concerns for all of us who partake in the hobby. It's not an exclusive club or the cool kids table in the cafeteria. All you have to do to be senior is hang around for awhile and throw a few posts out there, it is not an enlightening coronation or winning an election.

Why don't you look at the number of posts and the quality of posts that anyone on here, regardless of member status, has provided? Isn't that the best gauge of a poster's merits? It seems to me that a lot of good information has been provided by so called newbies for the benefit of all of us. When I achieve senior status, I will continue to share my experiences with all and answer any PM that I get, regardless of status. I believe the spirit of this forum is to promote exactly that!

As for Gina, she is on a break for 10 days to see family out of town. It is not her in the pics. Big deal, they are very close and this is NOT new news. There is plenty of documentation on this site that she had issues in the past but has reformed her ways. She is my ATF and many others as well. It's a great experience and great value for the investment but for you guys that can't get past the pic thing or her behavior prior to getting cleaned up, fine-she is so busy that she really is only taking regulars now anyway and there are plenty of other fake pic chicks for you guys to go explore and complain about.

Suit.[/QUOTE]This is why I keep my gems to myself. I confirmed the Super Italian Agatha was legit and was basically blown off because I was brand new to posting on this forum. Had I known that only senior members know if a girl is any good I would of just kept the info to myself, like I'm doing now.

[QUOTE=SuitMan;2305598]My first comment / hope is to leave all this senior / regular member qualifications shit where it belongs, in the trash and not on here.

This is a forum to exchange ideas, knowledge and safety concerns for all of us who partake in the hobby. It's not an exclusive club or the cool kids table in the cafeteria. All you have to do to be senior is hang around for awhile and throw a few posts out there, it is not an enlightening coronation or winning an election.

Why don't you look at the number of posts and the quality of posts that anyone on here, regardless of member status, has provided? Isn't that the best gauge of a poster's merits? It seems to me that a lot of good information has been provided by so called newbies for the benefit of all of us. When I achieve senior status, I will continue to share my experiences with all and answer any PM that I get, regardless of status. I believe the spirit of this forum is to promote exactly that!

As for Gina, she is on a break for 10 days to see family out of town. It is not her in the pics. Big deal, they are very close and this is NOT new news. There is plenty of documentation on this site that she had issues in the past but has reformed her ways. She is my ATF and many others as well. It's a great experience and great value for the investment but for you guys that can't get past the pic thing or her behavior prior to getting cleaned up, fine-she is so busy that she really is only taking regulars now anyway and there are plenty of other fake pic chicks for you guys to go explore and complain about.

Suit.[/QUOTE]Not sure why the blanket broadcast to all Senior members, I had nothing but kind words for Gina.

[QUOTE=SuitMan;2305598]My first comment / hope is to leave all this senior / regular member qualifications shit where it belongs, in the trash and not on here.

This is a forum to exchange ideas, knowledge and safety concerns for all of us who partake in the hobby. It's not an exclusive club or the cool kids table in the cafeteria. All you have to do to be senior is hang around for awhile and throw a few posts out there, it is not an enlightening coronation or winning an election.

Why don't you look at the number of posts and the quality of posts that anyone on here, regardless of member status, has provided? Isn't that the best gauge of a poster's merits? It seems to me that a lot of good information has been provided by so called newbies for the benefit of all of us. When I achieve senior status, I will continue to share my experiences with all and answer any PM that I get, regardless of status. I believe the spirit of this forum is to promote exactly that!

As for Gina, she is on a break for 10 days to see family out of town. It is not her in the pics. Big deal, they are very close and this is NOT new news. There is plenty of documentation on this site that she had issues in the past but has reformed her ways. She is my ATF and many others as well. It's a great experience and great value for the investment but for you guys that can't get past the pic thing or her behavior prior to getting cleaned up, fine-she is so busy that she really is only taking regulars now anyway and there are plenty of other fake pic chicks for you guys to go explore and complain about.

Suit.[/QUOTE]The only problem I have with anything you said is having a problem with us not liking to go into a situation knowing it's not the girl in the pics. I think most of us like one less variable in these situations and at the very least, want to know what the car I'm renting looks like. So it is a big deal. Now if I've seen her before, than I could see your point but I don't feel comfortable seeing any provider using fake pics. But everything else, I'm with ya buddy.

How many of the ads posted on BP are actual photos of the providers? I would really like some feedback on this question.

My experiences would be maybe 20% of the time it's a pic of the actual girl. If you factor in highly flattering poses that hide noticeable weight gain or baby damage, the percentage probably falls to 10%.

And still I see ads with pics of known supermodels posing as providers, my assumption is that if they are still up, men are using their services and taking what ever answers the door. You can always walk away but at least in my schedule, I've alloted this play time and the anticipation factor usually wins over consumer outrage. Usually there is some resemblance but afterwards I vow, like most of us, to stick with my regulars.

My point is that isn't it the norm to expect to be hoodwinked on the pics? I'm all for sharing information on how accurate the pics are, especially if there is a huge deviation from what you see and what you get. And you can always walk away as many mongers have pointed out on this very forum. But I would rather TOFTT and share a good experience or report on a bad one, either way helping all of us, even seniors LOL!

[QUOTE=Anonymous123;2305839]The only problem I have with anything you said is having a problem with us not liking to go into a situation knowing it's not the girl in the pics. I think most of us like one less variable in these situations and at the very least, want to know what the car I'm renting looks like. So it is a big deal. Now if I've seen her before, than I could see your point but I don't feel comfortable seeing any provider using fake pics. But everything else, I'm with ya buddy.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=YoungRestless;2304083]I have seen the very evil side of a provider who once they have certain info on you they will use it against you. I've had providers contact clients' spouses ratting them out because of some misunderstanding. But if you are comfortable, do your thing my friend! I've read where some guys say they send a picture of someone else that looks familiar. I think I'd do that but never my own picture. I can tell you some stories even about how dirty some very well known local providers are.[/QUOTE]Restless, I can understand why some would be fearful of sending pictures and it's not something I normally do but have in certain circumstances when I thought it was worth the trouble that I could possibly encounter. I'm not married so that is a non factor for me. Other than a provider working with LEO or perhaps posting the picture on line, why they'ed even want to is beyond me, I don't see a lot of down side in it for me. As I stated earlier, some of the best providers I've ever seen, this is after almost thirty years in this hobby, have requested photo's! But everyone has to decide for themselves what their comfort level will allow them to do, I personally don't have an issue with sending a beautiful woman a picture of myself. JD.

[QUOTE=SuitMan;2305876]How many of the ads posted on BP are actual photos of the providers? I would really like some feedback on this question.

My experiences would be maybe 20% of the time it's a pic of the actual girl. If you factor in highly flattering poses that hide noticeable weight gain or baby damage, the percentage probably falls to 10%.

And still I see ads with pics of known supermodels posing as providers, my assumption is that if they are still up, men are using their services and taking what ever answers the door. You can always walk away but at least in my schedule, I've alloted this play time and the anticipation factor usually wins over consumer outrage. Usually there is some resemblance but afterwards I vow, like most of us, to stick with my regulars.

My point is that isn't it the norm to expect to be hoodwinked on the pics? I'm all for sharing information on how accurate the pics are, especially if there is a huge deviation from what you see and what you get. And you can always walk away as many mongers have pointed out on this very forum. But I would rather TOFTT and share a good experience or report on a bad one, either way helping all of us, even seniors LOL![/QUOTE]Once again, I mostly agree with you bro. But I for one, DON'T expect the girl in the photo to be a TOTALLY different person. Now I due understand those pictures probably caught them at the best possible time in their lives, but I still expect it to be a less glorified version of the pictures. LOL. I've seen many a provider, alot of them I haven't posted on here. But there were a couple that were not who was in advertisement and I got too freaked out and just left. Cause if you lie about that, what else could be waiting for me. It's just my opinion and paranoia from being robbed multiple times. But I'm freaking addicted. LOL.

[QUOTE=JaxDog;2305901]Restless, I can understand why some would be fearful of sending pictures and it's not something I normally do but have in certain circumstances when I thought it was worth the trouble that I could possibly encounter. I'm not married so that is a non factor for me. Other than a provider working with LEO or perhaps posting the picture on line, why they'ed even want to is beyond me, I don't see a lot of down side in it for me. As I stated earlier, some of the best providers I've ever seen, this is after almost thirty years in this hobby, have requested photo's! But everyone has to decide for themselves what their comfort level will allow them to do, I personally don't have an issue with sending a beautiful woman a picture of myself. JD.[/QUOTE]Personally, I plan on stepping out of this game soon and I don't want any loose ends tying me back to this hobby. If you are single, that is one factor that might cause you to not hesitate in sending someone a picture. Obviously if you are married, I would think one would hesitate in sending that type of information. You know, some of these girls (especially so called high end ones) want a lot of personal info on you (the guys) but I wonder will they provide you with the same info on themselves. It seems it's more a one way thing on their part. I can only speak for me though. I am just not that comfortable. If it was a dating site, I'd have no problem sharing a picture or 2; however, because of the nature of this business (hooking), I must exercise as much discretion as possible. Not only because of a spouse situation but job, other family members, and a host of other things. I was looking at CL before and apparently some guy sent a provider a picture of himself. It appears he must have pissed them off because they took his picture and place it on an ad telling people about him. It is this vindictive nature of people that would cause me much hesitation. Anyway, again, individual preference in these things.

I have answered several PM's from Regular members after I have read the quality of their posts. It's more about sharing with members who share good quality reviews than anything. Sometimes the hesitancy to respond to Regular members with details is because It is so easy for LEO to create a name, throw a couple BS posts in and get the good info on providers they shouldn't have info on. The converse is true also I am sure. Any member with some posts and time on their side gets elevated to Senior status. LEO or not. Whose to say we aren't providing vital information to LEO just because it says he is a senior member.

Many of the long time senior members that really provided some great info have quit the hobby, found someone, or just got tired of the crap. Best thing is read their posts, compare them with the same providers you have seen, that's who you can trust. If it is an active Regular member and they have similar interests as you and similar posts as you. That's a better indicator than just checking to see if they are a Senior Member or not.

I don't believe I've ever visited with a girl who didn't use her real pictures. Sometimes they were older or excessively flattering pics, but not once has the door opened for me to reveal someone who wasn't the girl in the pictures. I don't know if I've just been doing this long enough so that my bullshit detector is finely tuned enough, or that I'm patient enough that if I don't see someone I'm interested in, Ms. Rosy Palms is good enough for now.

TGTBT? Probably is.

Outcalls only? Probably for a reason. Lots of guys would rather avoid a fuss at home or at a hotel if he tries to send the girl away.

Just saying it's possible to avoid the fake pic chicks.

[QUOTE=SuitMan;2305876]How many of the ads posted on BP are actual photos of the providers? I would really like some feedback on this question.

My experiences would be maybe 20% of the time it's a pic of the actual girl. If you factor in highly flattering poses that hide noticeable weight gain or baby damage, the percentage probably falls to 10%.

And still I see ads with pics of known supermodels posing as providers, my assumption is that if they are still up, men are using their services and taking what ever answers the door. You can always walk away but at least in my schedule, I've alloted this play time and the anticipation factor usually wins over consumer outrage. Usually there is some resemblance but afterwards I vow, like most of us, to stick with my regulars.

My point is that isn't it the norm to expect to be hoodwinked on the pics? I'm all for sharing information on how accurate the pics are, especially if there is a huge deviation from what you see and what you get. And you can always walk away as many mongers have pointed out on this very forum. But I would rather TOFTT and share a good experience or report on a bad one, either way helping all of us, even seniors LOL![/QUOTE]I am by no means an expert at the hobby and I have had quite a few experiences where the pics did not match who opened the door. In some cases I have said 'Oh well' and walked in anyway, only to have an unfulfilling dream. I can only suggest using the intel provided on here, as the other members can give you a heads up. In many more cases, the girls are using pics that are years old, so they have gotten rougher looking, chopped or dyed their hair, or became walking tattoos.

I will say I was hesitant to visit Gina because it is widely known her pics are not her. But using info provided by several members on here, I decided I would take the chance and I am glad I did.

Good job. Too bad he can't share the other alias so we could ignore that one too!

My 2 cents (No tags please. LOL, hopefully).

[blue]My brother I am sorely tempted, but the trash has been taken out.

To the douchebag that did it, I put a note on your account, if you do it again I'm banning your main account along with the alias.

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I remember sometime before the holidays someone posted a pic and info about a maid service where the lady specialized in hoover skills and cleaning pipes. I tried but haven't been able to dig it up. Does anyone recall this?

Thanks.