Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

Text provider (who shall be unnamed currently):

Hey, are we still on for this afternoon?

Afternoon turns to 5. 5 turns to 6:30.6:30 turns to 7, 7 turns to 8, and while I gave up on this a while ago, I really wanted to see just how far she'd go before finally saying that she's not going to be able to see me for the evening.

Oh well, I found a SB on the quick who could come over and take care of what I needed, but, I'm still a little bit about this. Because you know as well as I know, tomorrow afternoon she's going to be blowing up my burner phone to see if we can hang out again.

[QUOTE=MisforMaster;4683427]Text provider (who shall be unnamed currently):

Hey, are we still on for this afternoon?

Afternoon turns to 5. 5 turns to 6:30.6:30 turns to 7, 7 turns to 8, and while I gave up on this a while ago, I really wanted to see just how far she'd go before finally saying that she's not going to be able to see me for the evening.

Oh well, I found a SB on the quick who could come over and take care of what I needed, but, I'm still a little bit about this. Because you know as well as I know, tomorrow afternoon she's going to be blowing up my burner phone to see if we can hang out again.[/QUOTE]This doesn't do ya much good though without the provider being named?

[QUOTE=Muncher2323;4683434]This doesn't do ya much good though without the provider being named?[/QUOTE]I'm guilty of this too. He's venting. We've all been in this situation, we don't want to call them out publicly until they cross whatever line each person draws in the sand.

[QUOTE=JimJaimes;4683588]I'm guilty of this too. He's venting. We've all been in this situation, we don't want to call them out publicly until they cross whatever line each person draws in the sand.[/QUOTE]That's fair I kind of forgot it was in the rants section.

[QUOTE=JimJaimes;4683588]I'm guilty of this too. He's venting. We've all been in this situation, we don't want to call them out publicly until they cross whatever line each person draws in the sand.[/QUOTE]I get why he doesn't want to name names. Realistically, it could be just about any of them on a given day.

I do wish, in a way, there were a way to have a ghosting scorecard for providers, just so you have some idea how likely they are to ghost you before you bother. There are definitely ones I try, knowing full well they are unreliable, as long as it's not going to be inconveniencing me too much, like when I'm driving by an area. But the scorecard would still be useful. The problem is that guys will lie about this for revenge / extortion, like any number of other things, so it would turn useless pretty fast I suspect.

But I'll offer my contribution for the week. Beechmont Claire from Listcrawler ghosted this week after around three hours of texting setup. It's easy to post about this, because I really don't care if I ever see her or not, and doubt it makes much difference anyway in terms of whether it ever happens.

Other than myself, has anyone ever called out a girl for her promise to "make it up to you"?

A girl twice cancelled on me, the second one when I was close to her location, the first I was just about to leave to head over. Both times, promises of "make it up to you next time" were made. Well, a week after the second cancellation, I contacted her and we booked a time and set a price for an hour appointment.

It was then that I reminded her of her TWO promises to make it up to me. A quick scroll through the text messages showed that to be the case. So I asked her, "How are you going to make it up to me? She said, "I will make you so happy. ". I told her pointedly that that's the original arrangement. "Making it up" means extra something; whether services, time, anything above the standard. She didn't understand, or was faking her naivete. So I offered her a deal; I pay for an hour, but as extra for her 2 previous cancellations, I get 90 minutes of play. She sill gets paid the same, and all she'll be out is the time.

She balked at the offer. She was telling me I was low balling her and that if I wanted 90 minutes then I should pay for 90 minutes. I just said that if her idea of making it up to me was for me to pay the same money for the same services for the same amount of time, then that's not making it up to me. I just ended the messages. 10 minutes past the appointment, I get a text asking how far away I was because I was late. I told her, "No. I'm not coming. But don't worry. I'll make it up to you next time. ".

My phone started blowing up because apparently she needed the money more than I needed to get laid. You can tell from the tone of her messages she wasn't happy (a lot of caps lock and a threat to block me). I just told her that blocking me is fine. I ended it with, "Next time, don't cancel, don't ghost, and don't promise to make it up when you have no intention of coming through. ".

But back to my original question. Have you ever called out a girl on a promise to make it up to you?

[QUOTE=JimJaimes;4683588]I'm guilty of this too. He's venting. We've all been in this situation, we don't want to call them out publicly until they cross whatever line each person draws in the sand.[/QUOTE]What bothers me the most is that this is someone who I've consistently seen for almost 4 years. Finding women who deal with our shit. And who are as excited to see you as you are to see them (or, who at least pretend to be excited) are rare. Hell, finding one who's cool with our kinks, needs, and who can accommodate "special requests" is even smaller. I don't want to write her off -- and honestly, I'm not sure that she's close to that line in the sand at all -- but, when I move things around in my schedule so that we can hang out, and then I have to find someone else who can "get the job done," but, you know you're going to be jumping through hoops to get there -- you just get frustrated.

Hell, I know that I can be frustrating -- my work schedule changes, my travel changes last minute, we work with really small windows (with some providers who have a boyfriend who lives with them) -- and sometimes we just can't make it happen. I'm usually really accommodating when that happens: the next time I see a provider I'll usually give her a larger tip, or, sometimes I've been known to CashApp / Venmo them $$ if they'll ask me (but, I only really do that with providers that I trust, or SB's).

What really bothers me is that she's been completely radio silent since last night. I kinda expected her to give me a call or shoot me a text today and see if we could do something, but, I haven't heard anything yet.

Oh well.

MM.

[QUOTE=DNut;4684021]Other than myself, has anyone ever called out a girl for her promise to "make it up to you"?

A girl twice cancelled on me, the second one when I was close to her location, the first I was just about to leave to head over. Both times, promises of "make it up to you next time" were made. Well, a week after the second cancellation, I contacted her and we booked a time and set a price for an hour appointment.

It was then that I reminded her of her TWO promises to make it up to me. A quick scroll through the text messages showed that to be the case. So I asked her, "How are you going to make it up to me? She said, "I will make you so happy. ". I told her pointedly that that's the original arrangement. "Making it up" means extra something; whether services, time, anything above the standard. She didn't understand, or was faking her naivete. So I offered her a deal; I pay for an hour, but as extra for her 2 previous cancellations, I get 90 minutes of play. She sill gets paid the same, and all she'll be out is the time.

She balked at the offer. She was telling me I was low balling her and that if I wanted 90 minutes then I should pay for 90 minutes. I just said that if her idea of making it up to me was for me to pay the same money for the same services for the same amount of time, then that's not making it up to me. I just ended the messages. 10 minutes past the appointment, I get a text asking how far away I was because I was late. I told her, "No. I'm not coming. But don't worry. I'll make it up to you next time. ".

My phone started blowing up because apparently she needed the money more than I needed to get laid. You can tell from the tone of her messages she wasn't happy (a lot of caps lock and a threat to block me). I just told her that blocking me is fine. I ended it with, "Next time, don't cancel, don't ghost, and don't promise to make it up when you have no intention of coming through. ".

But back to my original question. Have you ever called out a girl on a promise to make it up to you[/QUOTE]Just like you an many others here I have had the same promise to make it up. Now with that said I have had a couple follow through. Divine Rachel has even given me freebies to make it up when she had to cancel due to her little one getting sick. I also had a couple give extra time. That is not the norm but there are a few out there still that want our business.

[QUOTE=DNut;4684021]Other than myself, has anyone ever called out a girl for her promise to "make it up to you"?

A girl twice cancelled on me, the second one when I was close to her location, the first I was just about to leave to head over. Both times, promises of "make it up to you next time" were made. Well, a week after the second cancellation, I contacted her and we booked a time and set a price for an hour appointment.

It was then that I reminded her of her TWO promises to make it up to me. A quick scroll through the text messages showed that to be the case. So I asked her, "How are you going to make it up to me? She said, "I will make you so happy. ". I told her pointedly that that's the original arrangement. "Making it up" means extra something; whether services, time, anything above the standard. She didn't understand, or was faking her naivete. So I offered her a deal; I pay for an hour, but as extra for her 2 previous cancellations, I get 90 minutes of play. She sill gets paid the same, and all she'll be out is the time.

She balked at the offer. She was telling me I was low balling her and that if I wanted 90 minutes then I should pay for 90 minutes. I just said that if her idea of making it up to me was for me to pay the same money for the same services for the same amount of time, then that's not making it up to me. I just ended the messages. 10 minutes past the appointment, I get a text asking how far away I was because I was late. I told her, "No. I'm not coming. But don't worry. I'll make it up to you next time. ".

My phone started blowing up because apparently she needed the money more than I needed to get laid. You can tell from the tone of her messages she wasn't happy (a lot of caps lock and a threat to block me). I just told her that blocking me is fine. I ended it with, "Next time, don't cancel, don't ghost, and don't promise to make it up when you have no intention of coming through. ".

But back to my original question. Have you ever called out a girl on a promise to make it up to you?[/QUOTE]C'Mon., D Nut, you're one of the most experienced guys on here. You don't really expect her to understand logic, do you?

[QUOTE=DNut;4684021]Other than myself, has anyone ever called out a girl for her promise to "make it up to you"?

A girl twice cancelled on me, the second one when I was close to her location, the first I was just about to leave to head over. Both times, promises of "make it up to you next time" were made. Well, a week after the second cancellation, I contacted her and we booked a time and set a price for an hour appointment.

It was then that I reminded her of her TWO promises to make it up to me. A quick scroll through the text messages showed that to be the case. So I asked her, "How are you going to make it up to me? She said, "I will make you so happy. ". I told her pointedly that that's the original arrangement. "Making it up" means extra something; whether services, time, anything above the standard. She didn't understand, or was faking her naivete. So I offered her a deal; I pay for an hour, but as extra for her 2 previous cancellations, I get 90 minutes of play. She sill gets paid the same, and all she'll be out is the time.

She balked at the offer. She was telling me I was low balling her and that if I wanted 90 minutes then I should pay for 90 minutes. I just said that if her idea of making it up to me was for me to pay the same money for the same services for the same amount of time, then that's not making it up to me. I just ended the messages. 10 minutes past the appointment, I get a text asking how far away I was because I was late. I told her, "No. I'm not coming. But don't worry. I'll make it up to you next time. ".

My phone started blowing up because apparently she needed the money more than I needed to get laid. You can tell from the tone of her messages she wasn't happy (a lot of caps lock and a threat to block me). I just told her that blocking me is fine. I ended it with, "Next time, don't cancel, don't ghost, and don't promise to make it up when you have no intention of coming through. ".

But back to my original question. Have you ever called out a girl on a promise to make it up to you?[/QUOTE]I don't think so I may never have gone back to a gal that tried that. But I bet it made her think at least very briefly. These ladies are in a culture of lies, whatever it takes to move on, long as it takes no effort on their part.

[QUOTE=Kenal1;4684633]C'Mon., D Nut, you're one of the most experienced guys on here. You don't really expect her to understand logic, do you?[/QUOTE]My experience has taught me that cash is more easily converted to goods and services than pussy. The cash in my pocket is accepted as legal tender in most of the world, or easily converted to local currency. It also means that there is no reason to get hung up on one pussy of questionable reliability, not when there are others available without the hoop jumping.

Besides, if I don't ask about getting extra time for my troubles in the past, I will definitely not get it. "YMMV" is always true, but no reason why you can't try to get a few extra miles to make up for previous failed trips.

When "I will make it up to you next time" has been said to me, my next text is always, "How are you going to make it up to me? More time for the normal rate? Normal time at a lower rate? Or a Freebie?" If they answer I save the text so they can't forget the promise.

If they don't answer with some equitable offer I never call her again.

[QUOTE=DNut;4684021]Other than myself, has anyone ever called out a girl for her promise to "make it up to you"?

A girl twice cancelled on me, the second one when I was close to her location, the first I was just about to leave to head over. Both times, promises of "make it up to you next time" were made. Well, a week after the second cancellation, I contacted her and we booked a time and set a price for an hour appointment.

It was then that I reminded her of her TWO promises to make it up to me. A quick scroll through the text messages showed that to be the case. So I asked her, "How are you going to make it up to me? She said, "I will make you so happy. ". I told her pointedly that that's the original arrangement. "Making it up" means extra something; whether services, time, anything above the standard. She didn't understand, or was faking her naivete. So I offered her a deal; I pay for an hour, but as extra for her 2 previous cancellations, I get 90 minutes of play. She sill gets paid the same, and all she'll be out is the time.

She balked at the offer. She was telling me I was low balling her and that if I wanted 90 minutes then I should pay for 90 minutes. I just said that if her idea of making it up to me was for me to pay the same money for the same services for the same amount of time, then that's not making it up to me. I just ended the messages. 10 minutes past the appointment, I get a text asking how far away I was because I was late. I told her, "No. I'm not coming. But don't worry. I'll make it up to you next time. ".

My phone started blowing up because apparently she needed the money more than I needed to get laid. You can tell from the tone of her messages she wasn't happy (a lot of caps lock and a threat to block me). I just told her that blocking me is fine. I ended it with, "Next time, don't cancel, don't ghost, and don't promise to make it up when you have no intention of coming through. ".

But back to my original question. Have you ever called out a girl on a promise to make it up to you?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DNut;4684021]Other than myself, has anyone ever called out a girl for her promise to "make it up to you"?

A girl twice cancelled on me, the second one when I was close to her location, the first I was just about to leave to head over. Both times, promises of "make it up to you next time" were made. Well, a week after the second cancellation, I contacted her and we booked a time and set a price for an hour appointment.

It was then that I reminded her of her TWO promises to make it up to me. A quick scroll through the text messages showed that to be the case. So I asked her, "How are you going to make it up to me? She said, "I will make you so happy. ". I told her pointedly that that's the original arrangement. "Making it up" means extra something; whether services, time, anything above the standard. She didn't understand, or was faking her naivete. So I offered her a deal; I pay for an hour, but as extra for her 2 previous cancellations, I get 90 minutes of play. She sill gets paid the same, and all she'll be out is the time.

She balked at the offer. She was telling me I was low balling her and that if I wanted 90 minutes then I should pay for 90 minutes. I just said that if her idea of making it up to me was for me to pay the same money for the same services for the same amount of time, then that's not making it up to me. I just ended the messages. 10 minutes past the appointment, I get a text asking how far away I was because I was late. I told her, "No. I'm not coming. But don't worry. I'll make it up to you next time. ".

My phone started blowing up because apparently she needed the money more than I needed to get laid. You can tell from the tone of her messages she wasn't happy (a lot of caps lock and a threat to block me). I just told her that blocking me is fine. I ended it with, "Next time, don't cancel, don't ghost, and don't promise to make it up when you have no intention of coming through. ".

But back to my original question. Have you ever called out a girl on a promise to make it up to you?[/QUOTE]Expecting a provider, a prostitute, to "make it up to you" for anything is foolish at best. You should know better.

[QUOTE=BTBear;4684935]When "I will make it up to you next time" has been said to me, my next text is always, "How are you going to make it up to me? More time for the normal rate? Normal time at a lower rate? Or a Freebie?" If they answer I save the text so they can't forget the promise.

If they don't answer with some equitable offer I never call her again.[/QUOTE]That's like asking someone to do something and they say 'In a minute'. That means 'fuck you! Do it yourself!' But with hours or days between. I've been taken more times than I really care to remember. Remember, when you called her you were trying to get fucked. It's kinda poetic.

I been reading a lot about barebacking on this board lately. So I am guessing when you go back to fuck your wife or significant other you wear protection to protect them?? LOL!