"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=BigTigger; 1732921]1. Always take care of home first.[/QUOTE]Good advice but unfortunately the reason most of us step out is because we are not happy at home, Right?

So it is very hard to act normal when you are banging these nubile young lasses several times / week. Other societies have it right where it is acceptable / expected for a gentleman of substance to have his concubine on the side. In those cases he is expected to take care of the home front and she to look the other way when he is visiting his "niece"

These are good tips to maintain security. It's amazing how far we have come in the last few years.

Re email: go directly to the email host server to use your clandestine email and don't keep copies of emails on your computer. Watch out for the Petraeus problem. Its probably even better to use anonymous accounts. For one such, which I haven't tried, see:

[url]https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/11/tutorial-how-create-anonymous-email-acc[/url]

Re computer: study encryption methods, some are better than others. Encrypt any sb related files on your computer, like those pussy pix you took and love so much to look at when you're apart.

Re license plates: anyone solve this problem other than by renting a car or hiding your car?

[QUOTE=Revvo; 1732377]LikeMike,

Thanks for all of the great answers. I am following in your path on the LT SB one at a time. Taking my time with her and it is working out great.

But a couple of other questions.

[QUOTE1. Did you keep a bench going as backup or did you just play with the one? I am torn on this one since the bench makes for a lot more work. But you get the benefit of an abundance mentality. ]

For my LT. I did not keep a bench warmer. Your right. Can be alot of trouble and she keeps me pretty happy. If I want something a bit different I would go to a body rub place and get a jack or maybe a BJ but never did search out the muffin. Over the last 1. 5 yrs. Have only done the BR place maybe 4x.

[QUOTE.2. What would you say was the most important thing in not getting caught by your wifey? For me so far is that my wife is not the jealous type. But then I encountered a fucking crazy be* scammer that almost blew everything. Now I am on the radar.]

This is tough. Are you talking LT or ST baby. Short term is easy. Stay as incognito as possible. They never new my real name. Where I lived. Where I worked. Etc. As mentioned before I had an advantage in using a friends house. If LT. Does she have a BF she really cares about. If so. She likely will not dick you over because she does not want to be found out. I have had only had 2 babies that knew alot about me and one is my current lady. So give as little info as possible. If you do not want to fake an entire profession. Choose a parallel profession that you can talk about intelligently.

[QUOTEWhat is the quality of your LT Babies? ]

The 2 LT I have had. Are reasonable 7's. Both were in school. Bright. Worked or was an athelete so their schedule is busy. One was a single mom with work and school so she was like. It would be nice to have someone stable as she did not have time to party and dick around with her age guys while going to school. Working and a kid. FYI. At a later point I did meet her child and had seen her a numbers of times but kept distance as we both agreed the child should not really become attached to me.

[QUOTE=BigTigger; 1732921]1. Always take care of home first.

2. Have a normal routine where you have alone time (I. E working out, trips, visiting relatives / friends). Work your SB time in with normal activities.

3. Use non-traditional hours for SB time. I've been finding that many just love the 9am-12pm Tiggabounces.

4. Always answer your phone or call back within 10 mins. Also have some times when you are in the house with spouse and she calls and your phone is accidentally on silent. That will come in handy later.

5. Always think in advance about red flags that you could send off and go out of your way to do the opposite.

6. Keep a normal routine at home and a normal routine of affection, compliments and sex with spouse. What ever that routine is, just keep it.

7. Be very careful with your money. I have my own green dot. Also, make it a habit of getting $20-$40 cash back when making purchases. Put those to the side, it can add up quickly and will not raise suspicion.

8. Date your wife, keep her happy.[/QUOTE]FANTASITCO advice

[QUOTE=Literal2; 1733130]These are good tips to maintain security. It's amazing how far we have come in the last few years.

Re email: go directly to the email host server to use your clandestine email and don't keep copies of emails on your computer. Watch out for the Petraeus problem. Its probably even better to use anonymous accounts. For one such, which I haven't tried, see:

[url]https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/11/tutorial-how-create-anonymous-email-acc[/url]

Re computer: study encryption methods, some are better than others. Encrypt any sb related files on your computer, like those pussy pix you took and love so much to look at when you're apart.

Re license plates: anyone solve this problem other than by renting a car or hiding your car?[/QUOTE]We don't have this problem in Virginia. To the best of my knowledge, license plate info is in a secure data base that is only accessible by state and local LE and DMV. If you know of a way to get into these data bases, I'd like to know.

ASL

[QUOTE=AllSeasonLv; 1733286]We don't have this problem in Virginia. To the best of my knowledge, license plate info is in a secure data base that is only accessible by state and local LE and DMV. If you know of a way to get into these data bases, I'd like to know.

ASL[/QUOTE]Same up my way. Only police and the courts have access to that info. There are several companies on the web that state they can run a plate, but they're all bogus. Even if a baby had a relative in LE, she would be asking them to do something that is closely monitored, and could in fact get them in trouble themselves. It's a non-issue as far as my research has shown. More likely she finds your registration info in the glove box.

Scott

I could ask quite a few of my local Dep. Sher. Here in the rural county, and they would run the number. I agree that in the cities the cops probably would not. But out here in the sticks, it is pretty easy!

[QUOTE=AllSeasonLv; 1733286]We don't have this problem in Virginia. To the best of my knowledge, license plate info is in a secure data base that is only accessible by state and local LE and DMV. If you know of a way to get into these data bases, I'd like to know.

ASL[/QUOTE]

I'm glad you brought that up. It was 3am or so and I was struggling to get my thoughts out. So when I say "Take Care of Home First". I mean take care of your responsibilities, make sure bills are paid, grass is cut, cars are washed, don't miss soccer games, etc. Be a great husband in all the other areas and as you said, do the best you can to act normal in the bedroom.

[QUOTE=Hernando; 1733069]Good advice but unfortunately the reason most of us step out is because we are not happy at home, Right?

So it is very hard to act normal when you are banging these nubile young lasses several times / week. Other societies have it right where it is acceptable / expected for a gentleman of substance to have his concubine on the side. In those cases he is expected to take care of the home front and she to look the other way when he is visiting his "niece"[/QUOTE]

Is marriage a viable institution anymore? I read recently that 56% of children are born to unwed parents in the USA, so that is not the excuse. The thing is, when a relationship (marriage or otherwise) is good it can be really great, but when it sours, we log on to USASG. So I'm wondering if I will opt to live the SB life going forward if I divorce someday? I know some of you are single and seem to be fulfilled by your SBs, yet you don't incur the huge financial penalty if you want to call it quits. Just musing.

My AA HCB flake who "couldn't do it " when I was outside her dorm to pick her up last week texted last night "if you want to have sex with me I need $500 first" Ha! So she is a reluctant flaky, GPS Garden Tool. I countered with $1. 50 and did not hear back. Everyone has their price. $500 will not be my price for Uma Thurman ___wweeeelll, I lied. I'd go $1000 for her. She'll probably be back when she realizes no one is going to give her that PPO for a hit and run. She is essentially an UTR who does not want a "relationship " but just a quick pay day.

My New ATF HCB has stepped up. I floated the idea out there to see her more than one / week for the same $. She wants to so she is becoming more of a GF / SB I appreciate that she is not greedy and likes my company enough to see me for the company.

AM SDM want to be has either flaked or is waiting until I finish studying my new S&M literature.

SDFM HCB who flaked after Text sex has been nibbling on the line again, but I haven't been able to get her to a M&G. Time will tell there.

[QUOTE=Literal2; 1733130]These are good tips to maintain security. It's amazing how far we have come in the last few years.

Re email: go directly to the email host server to use your clandestine email and don't keep copies of emails on your computer. Watch out for the Petraeus problem. Its probably even better to use anonymous accounts. For one such, which I haven't tried, see:

[url]https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/11/tutorial-how-create-anonymous-email-acc[/url]

Re computer: study encryption methods, some are better than others. Encrypt any sb related files on your computer, like those pussy pix you took and love so much to look at when you're apart.

Re license plates: anyone solve this problem other than by renting a car or hiding your car?[/QUOTE]I like the way they do it in the bond flicks where the plate just rotates. Got to get one of those. Or in transporter where the guy has like 20 different ones in his garage

[QUOTE=FredMoore; 1733522]Is marriage a viable institution anymore? I read recently that 56% of children are born to unwed parents in the USA, so that is not the excuse. The thing is, when a relationship (marriage or otherwise) is good it can be really great, but when it sours, we log on to USASG. So I'm wondering if I will opt to live the SB life going forward if I divorce someday? I know some of you are single and seem to be fulfilled by your SBs, yet you don't incur the huge financial penalty if you want to call it quits. Just musing.

My AA HCB flake who "couldn't do it " when I was outside her dorm to pick her up last week texted last night "if you want to have sex with me I need $500 first" Ha! So she is a reluctant flaky, GPS Garden Tool. I countered with $1. 50 and did not hear back. Everyone has their price. $500 will not be my price for Uma Thurman ___wweeeelll, I lied. I'd go $1000 for her. She'll probably be back when she realizes no one is going to give her that PPO for a hit and run. She is essentially an UTR who does not want a "relationship " but just a quick pay day.

My New ATF HCB has stepped up. I floated the idea out there to see her more than one / week for the same $. She wants to so she is becoming more of a GF / SB I appreciate that she is not greedy and likes my company enough to see me for the company.

AM SDM want to be has either flaked or is waiting until I finish studying my new S&M literature.

SDFM HCB who flaked after Text sex has been nibbling on the line again, but I haven't been able to get her to a M&G. Time will tell there.[/QUOTE]Marriage is a legal contract and is good if you are wanting a family. Other than that I see no reason for it. Although you can marry more money in one day that you can earn in a lifetime. So if paris hilton is ready, I might be too.

[QUOTE=Revvo;1732377]What would you say was the most important thing in not getting caught by your wifey?[/QUOTE]1. Fuck the wife with the same frequency in the same old way.

2. Be mindful the wife's radar is always on. If anything happens to cause suspicion the radar goes on steroids and won't return to the normal setting. Anything we are ever asked to explain will never be explained to the wife's satisfaction. Her questions are statements telling us her thinking. Every question is a bad sign she is adding something up.

3. Our electronic media is our undoing.

4. Never admit to anything.

[QUOTE=John G Smith;1732960]I'll just add that a gym membership is your best friend. And get a gym membership which has multiple locations if possible. Not only does the gym give you some regular "off-the-grid" time (I always leave my phone in the locker when I'm working out) but you have a reliable place to shower if necessary. It also doesn't set off alarm bells when you're packing a change of clothes with you and leaving the house with a travel bag. In your gym / travel bag always carry the exact same soap and shampoo. This way your FC visit can very easily mimic a gym workout. Women are very sensitive to smells, so if you use the same soap and shampoo at the FC as you would the gym, then to the SO you'll smell like you just came from the gym.[/QUOTE]I do this, except I hadn't thought about using the same soap at home. Good idea. Actually I have multiple sets of exactly the same clothes and often carry a duplicate set in the gym bag to change into after the "workout." I also always have a plastic garbage bag in the gym bag to carry the clothes that were present in the FC. It contains their smell until I can get them washed. Some times I've just thrown away a set of clothes in the bag. Underwear in particular of course, but just one of those long single strands of beautiful hair left on your shirt can change your life forever. If you let your SO do your laundry, you'd better get your gym clothes sweaty after a "workout" before she handles them.

[QUOTE=Pats Fan1;1733044]Today's baby below (image 123) in bra garter set.[/QUOTE]Very pretty girl. Thanks for the pix. Congratulations.

[QUOTE=Pats Fan1; 1733044]she suggested a nearby motel. 23 yrs old 5'4" 120 lbs and hot. I knew she was only available time wise for a one pop meeting. Very fun.[/QUOTE]So how do you manage discretion with such a short motel visit? Cash and no I'd required? Maybe I'm paranoid, but the thought of leaving behind footprints with my real name and address around at motels makes me squeamish.

I don't regularly travel so I don't have that cover story to hide behind.

Here is the latest. A pretty damn good week.

REVVOATF, My little raven haired MILF is going strong. She is such a pleasant breath of fresh air. We can only meet about once a week. Two at the most. But when we do it is heaven. She is completely available to me. When we are together. She has a busy life with a small child, no father in the picture. Does get support. And has a job but is in debt and hurting for money. I honestly feel bad for her. And she is not asking me for extra cash. And I want to help. But I do not want to set a precedent. This baby has lived on the top before her divorce so she knows what it is like. But she makes do. Maybe I will give her a little something extra just to help her out. Don't know yet. Sexy and gorgeous. I will rate her as a 9 head 8 body, and 10 attitude. It is amazing to say but she treats me so well. She can't keep her hands off of me. I am startled sometimes by it. She has said things to me nice things sexy things, that I have never heard from my wife in over 17 years of marriage. What kind of a fucking world do we live in guys? That this is how things are. If I could spend all of my time with her I would. But I live in another city and we have separate lives. So I have more babies to help out with the other days. I honestly was only trying to round out a list of baby's I could call on for back up. Or to have a bench but it has blossomed.

REVVOSB2, My little asian fortune cookie. Sweet as can be. Eager to please and never shy about getting down to business. She is looking for ways to fuck me that I have not done yet. We are working on a list. She is only in town every other week because of her job. She works for one of the pharmaceutical firms and travels to NY. I am going to see her on Monday for our next visit. She wants to meet right after she gets off the plane so we can get to it. Since she will have to pick up her son later in the day. So get down we will. She is a little hard to raise on text. But when she is on she is very responsive. Milfs with kids and job, are a lot more busy, part of the package. I will have a better report on her later this week. But all systems are go. She did a lot of modeling in her younger years she is 26yo 9 head 8 body, and 0 attitude. So I want to get some more of her professional pics.

REVVOPOT1, This baby is divorced and 28 YO white from somewhere in the Mediterranean. Lives in the same city as ATF. Absolutely gorgeous. I swear I am not that picky but I have a bench of all hotties right now. She is a 10 head 10 body, and about 7. 5 on attitude so far. But I learned something about her and others like her. You cannot be too good to them. It will ruin them if they stick around, but many times they will bolt if you are too good also. Got to be cocky and throw a little attitude back at her and accept no bad behavior. But not too much attitude. It is a balancing act. She sent me a picture with just her bra and panties, and pumps on. Shot from behind. She is standing on a balcony looking out. It almost brought a tear to my eye it was so perfect. This ass was fucking awesome. And she has that natural gap between her legs with the light from the outdoors shining through it. OMG I almost died. Anyway still working on her. But she is ready to meet and is good with a very fair price, $$ for a 10 I will be in heaven if I tap this.

REVVOPOT2, Another one that fell into my lap. Very new to the sugar bowl. 20 YO Latina, fine fine fine, and she is the worst looking of the four! I would rate her at a 8 head 8 body, and 7 attitude. Just because I am not sure of her yet. But I think she can be developed into some first string talent. We are set to meet on Monday. Strategy wise I have been trying to make contact with the new ones early on like Hollywood recommends. Then if they strike an attitude I just let them spend a couple of weeks trying to wade through the male debris that is in the sugar bowl. Then come back to them and see if they want to give it a try again. I did this with both of these POTs. And it seems to be working. They kind of understand how tough it can be out there. She is a college student very intelligent and has a very sexy body. Says she is open minded. Well I am going to open her mind some more and everything else. He he he. All kidding aside one of the things I have been told by all of these babies is that they get really creeped out by a lot of these men in and out of the sugar bowl and it really turns them off. I ask them about it and it is hard for them to explain. But the one thing I have noticed is that it seems like so many of these guys are just trying to get something from them. And the men are so needy. And the babies sense it. And they hate it.

Anyway that is where I am at for now. More reports to come. This should be a very busy week. Wifey is still kind of checking up on me. But I am following the advice on here and flying so low that my wheels are skimming off of the treetops. She is buying it. But she is still watching me.

Be careful out there,

Revvo

Hollywood is right. Marriage as far as I can see has only one real reason. And that is for kids. Or maybe companionship when you are really old and rely on each other before you die.

In fact let me add to the statistics. I have a friend who is a shrink and I asked him about this. The rate of infidelity in the US is 80% this is astounding! That means that if you are in a group of 5 married people 4 have or will cheat! Also if a man cheats, women take them back 95% of the time. If a woman cheats men take them back 5% of the time.

What in the fuck are we doing to ourselves in this society? It does not have to be like this. Lots of people say that over 50% of marriages end in divorce and that makes it a failed institution. Well I believe that if you include the 80% cheating rate, then we truly are suffering through many failed arrangements. I am in what I consider a failed marriage ever since I first cheated.

But I cannot leave. It would be too much for my kids and it would cost me at least half of my net worth and income. And I live in a husband friendly state. So I ask again. What are we doing to ourselves. I am just as guilty as anyone else. I don't hate my wife. I am not leaving my wife. I am not going to make my kids suffer for my mistakes. So I cheat. And try to spend a little quality time in the sugar bowl. With my very willing accomplices. There has got to be a better way.

What kind of false bullshit have we set up for ourselves and our own kids? I have a son and a daughter and I fear for their success in this deck that is stacked against their own internal human nature. I for one will be counseling them on this when the time comes. So I can try to help them avoid some of these mistakes.

Sorry for the rant,

Revvo

[QUOTE=Walruscl; 1734081]So how do you manage discretion with such a short motel visit? Cash and no I'd required? Maybe I'm paranoid, but the thought of leaving behind footprints with my real name and address around at motels makes me squeamish.

I don't regularly travel so I don't have that cover story to hide behind.[/QUOTE]F Scott's a resident expert on this topic walrus. You might want to read his past posts or try him on the back channel (pm).

[QUOTE=Walruscl;1734081]So how do you manage discretion with such a short motel visit? Cash and no I'd required? Maybe I'm paranoid, but the thought of leaving behind footprints with my real name and address around at motels makes me squeamish.[/QUOTE]Short answer: you don't. There isn't a hotel or motel, at least not that you'd actually *want* to go to, that won't ask for the [noparse]I[/noparse][noparse]D[/noparse] of the person renting the room. This is so that they can recover if you trash the room or manage to leave withou paying. The ones that don't require [noparse]I[/noparse][noparse]D[/noparse] are also the ones with trashed rooms and unchanged sheets.

[QUOTE=Walruscl;1734081]I don't regularly travel so I don't have that cover story to hide behind.[/QUOTE]Like others have said, join a gym or poker club or something that let's you get away.

I'm in a somewhat different position than most of you in that I don't have to take such measures to hide from my wife, and the kids are easier to fool, so this hasn't been as important to me, which may make my knowledge less than complete.

[noparse]/[/noparse]z

[QUOTE=Literal2;1734010]I do this, except I hadn't thought about using the same soap at home. Good idea. Actually I have multiple sets of exactly the same clothes and often carry a duplicate set in the gym bag to change into after the "workout." I also always have a plastic garbage bag in the gym bag to carry the clothes that were present in the FC. It contains their smell until I can get them washed. Some times I've just thrown away a set of clothes in the bag. Underwear in particular of course, but just one of those long single strands of beautiful hair left on your shirt can change your life forever. If you let your SO do your laundry, you'd better get your gym clothes sweaty after a "workout" before she handles them.[/QUOTE]I also use a plastic bag to hold my dirty / sweaty clothes from the gym. I get pretty funky when I workout so thankfully my SO no longer sniffs too hard on the clothes. If the clothes appear wet in the plastic bag, she usually holds it with her tippy fingers far away from her nose. So when I go to the FC, I get a wet towel and wrap my underwear and gym clothes in it. I layer it so the wet towel is sitting on top of my gym clothes in the plastic bag, so everything is wet like a normal workout. Also my SO may not actually wash the clothes for a couple of days, by then the wet clothes will smell a bit funky even without my actual sweat. And on few occasions, I've actually done some pushups and sit ups in the FC to break a light sweat with my gym clothes.

But I don't do sexual activities with my SB using my gym clothes. I keep my gym clothes and "post-workout" clothes completely separate, so I can avoid the "long single strand of hair" getting stuck on them. So I usually have four sets of clothes. 1) The clothes I leave the house with. 2) the clothes I use when I'm touching my SB (might just be an under-shirt and underwear 3) my gym clothes which I'll need to simulate a workout with 4) my post-workout clothes that I return home with. The SO is used to seeing clothes 1, 3 and 4. It's just #2 that I have to be careful with.

Sometimes I scare myself with the level of deception I do.

[QUOTE=Revvo;1734289]But I cannot leave. It would be too much for my kids and it would cost me at least half of my net worth and income. And I live in a husband friendly state. So I ask again. What are we doing to ourselves. I am just as guilty as anyone else. I don't hate my wife. I am not leaving my wife. I am not going to make my kids suffer for my mistakes. So I cheat. And try to spend a little quality time in the sugar bowl. With my very willing accomplices. There has got to be a better way.[/QUOTE]Things aren't going the greatest with me and the SO. But I most likely won't leave her for exactly those same reasons. I don't want to lose half of my net worth and I don't want to create a broken home for the kids. I'm using the sugar bowl to basically help me keep my sanity. And honestly, I'm getting spoiled banging 20 something college girls. My wife has let herself go physically. But the sugar bowl is like stepping into a time machine and I can have sex with young tight-bodied college girls who are open sexually. It's like a drug.

I think our society would be better if it was acceptable for a man to take on a mistress and to also make prostitution legal.

[QUOTE=Revvo; 1734289]What kind of false bullshit have we set up for ourselves and our own kids? I have a son and a daughter and I fear for their success in this deck that is stacked against their own internal human nature. I for one will be counseling them on this when the time comes. So I can try to help them avoid some of these mistakes.

Revvo[/QUOTE]Rev, I agonize over this all the time, even on the way to the FC. Sad, but true. I have two questions for you.

1) What are you going to tell your kids? Don't get married? Make sure you love their spouses? We all do want to be with our wives until we don't. Is it a character flaw or are we victims of our biology? (Sorry. 3? S in 1)

2) What is your monthly budget for hobbying?

I have cut back from $2000 to $1000 / month plus extras. My SO is suspicious so I have to be extra careful. My HCGs are costing me about $250 / meeting so it limits me to essentially one, which is not enough. I am working on "free" sperm recipients like from AM but they are hard duty to line up.

Family credit card use should be limited.

I charge gas on the family account and found out the hard way that my SO watches the charges on line in real time. We have kids and are watching cash flow, but she asked me why I was using so much gas. Oops. All of my SBs are 60 to 90 miles away so my gas use is way up. I took the car in to get "tuned up " because a poorly tuned engine increases gas use. Now I alternate fill ups with my business account.

[QUOTE=John G Smith;1734745]I'm getting spoiled banging 20 something college girls. It's like a drug.[/QUOTE]You hit the nail on the head my friend, it is an addiction.

My SO has discovered my habit and is amazingly willing to work with me to get me" help " As said before, many wives want to preserve the family integrity and will go a long way to support their husband as long as he is working on his addiction. As a result of this I am seeing a zillion therapists, sex addiction specialists, who state there is a huge number of guys like us who just can't keep our dicks in our pants. The only difference between us and chemical addicts is that we are not physically damaging our bodies, but the same pathways in the brain are stimulated and imprinted by this adrenaline, cortisol, and oxytocin generating behavior.

So we start off with a little "playing around ". What harm could it do? Well here's what happens. There is SO much stimulation by a 60 yr old banging a 20 yr old that we get a rush of hormones that flood our brain bringing this intense sense of well being and happiness (Dopamine, Seratonin, and Norepinephrine) There are few things in a normal life that cause this much reaction. But when the chemical flood wears off we need more and more. And what is there not to love about having sex with a 20 yr old? A 50 yr old wife, even an attractive one, could never compete. So we set them up for failure.

The end result will be one of two things.

You will not get addicted and limit your play discretely to a low level bang and run, or

You will push the envelope needing to see more and more babies in spite of the consequences and eventually will get caught.

I am separated, getting counseling, and still can not get over the need to bed young girls. I am an addict.

Good Work Revvo, keep it up!

I had a string where I was meeting some real hotties, it's like being MJ or Tiger in the zone, I just love it.

[QUOTE=Revvo; 1734273]Here is the latest. A pretty damn good week.

REVVOATF, My little raven haired MILF is going strong. She is such a pleasant breath of fresh air. We can only meet about once a week. Two at the most. But when we do it is heaven. She is completely available to me. When we are together. She has a busy life with a small child, no father in the picture. Does get support. And has a job but is in debt and hurting for money. I honestly feel bad for her. And she is not asking me for extra cash. And I want to help. But I do not want to set a precedent. This baby has lived on the top before her divorce so she knows what it is like. But she makes do. Maybe I will give her a little something extra just to help her out. Don't know yet. Sexy and gorgeous. I will rate her as a 9 head 8 body, and 10 attitude. It is amazing to say but she treats me so well. She can't keep her hands off of me. I am startled sometimes by it. She has said things to me nice things sexy things, that I have never heard from my wife in over 17 years of marriage. What kind of a fucking world do we live in guys? That this is how things are. If I could spend all of my time with her I would. But I live in another city and we have separate lives. So I have more babies to help out with the other days. I honestly was only trying to round out a list of baby's I could call on for back up. Or to have a bench but it has blossomed.

REVVOSB2, My little asian fortune cookie. Sweet as can be. Eager to please and never shy about getting down to business. She is looking for ways to fuck me that I have not done yet. We are working on a list. She is only in town every other week because of her job. She works for one of the pharmaceutical firms and travels to NY. I am going to see her on Monday for our next visit. She wants to meet right after she gets off the plane so we can get to it. Since she will have to pick up her son later in the day. So get down we will. She is a little hard to raise on text. But when she is on she is very responsive. Milfs with kids and job, are a lot more busy, part of the package. I will have a better report on her later this week. But all systems are go. She did a lot of modeling in her younger years she is 26yo 9 head 8 body, and 0 attitude. So I want to get some more of her professional pics.

REVVOPOT1, This baby is divorced and 28 YO white from somewhere in the Mediterranean. Lives in the same city as ATF. Absolutely gorgeous. I swear I am not that picky but I have a bench of all hotties right now. She is a 10 head 10 body, and about 7. 5 on attitude so far. But I learned something about her and others like her. You cannot be too good to them. It will ruin them if they stick around, but many times they will bolt if you are too good also. Got to be cocky and throw a little attitude back at her and accept no bad behavior. But not too much attitude. It is a balancing act. She sent me a picture with just her bra and panties, and pumps on. Shot from behind. She is standing on a balcony looking out. It almost brought a tear to my eye it was so perfect. This ass was fucking awesome. And she has that natural gap between her legs with the light from the outdoors shining through it. OMG I almost died. Anyway still working on her. But she is ready to meet and is good with a very fair price, $$ for a 10 I will be in heaven if I tap this.

REVVOPOT2, Another one that fell into my lap. Very new to the sugar bowl. 20 YO Latina, fine fine fine, and she is the worst looking of the four! I would rate her at a 8 head 8 body, and 7 attitude. Just because I am not sure of her yet. But I think she can be developed into some first string talent. We are set to meet on Monday. Strategy wise I have been trying to make contact with the new ones early on like Hollywood recommends. Then if they strike an attitude I just let them spend a couple of weeks trying to wade through the male debris that is in the sugar bowl. Then come back to them and see if they want to give it a try again. I did this with both of these POTs. And it seems to be working. They kind of understand how tough it can be out there. She is a college student very intelligent and has a very sexy body. Says she is open minded. Well I am going to open her mind some more and everything else. He he he. All kidding aside one of the things I have been told by all of these babies is that they get really creeped out by a lot of these men in and out of the sugar bowl and it really turns them off. I ask them about it and it is hard for them to explain. But the one thing I have noticed is that it seems like so many of these guys are just trying to get something from them. And the men are so needy. And the babies sense it. And they hate it.

Anyway that is where I am at for now. More reports to come. This should be a very busy week. Wifey is still kind of checking up on me. But I am following the advice on here and flying so low that my wheels are skimming off of the treetops. She is buying it. But she is still watching me.

Be careful out there,

Revvo[/QUOTE]

Well Said. I completely agree.

"Hi. My name is BigTigger and I'm an addict".

[QUOTE=Hernando; 1734790]You hit the nail on the head my friend, it is an addiction.

My SO has discovered my habit and is amazingly willing to work with me to get me" help " As said before, many wives want to preserve the family integrity and will go a long way to support their husband as long as he is working on his addiction. As a result of this I am seeing a zillion therapists, sex addiction specialists, who state there is a huge number of guys like us who just can't keep our dicks in our pants. The only difference between us and chemical addicts is that we are not physically damaging our bodies, but the same pathways in the brain are stimulated and imprinted by this adrenaline, cortisol, and oxytocin generating behavior.

So we start off with a little "playing around ". What harm could it do? Well here's what happens. There is SO much stimulation by a 60 yr old banging a 20 yr old that we get a rush of hormones that flood our brain bringing this intense sense of well being and happiness (Dopamine, Seratonin, and Norepinephrine) There are few things in a normal life that cause this much reaction. But when the chemical flood wears off we need more and more. And what is there not to love about having sex with a 20 yr old? A 50 yr old wife, even an attractive one, could never compete. So we set them up for failure.

The end result will be one of two things.

You will not get addicted and limit your play discretely to a low level bang and run, or

You will push the envelope needing to see more and more babies in spite of the consequences and eventually will get caught.

I am separated, getting counseling, and still can not get over the need to bed young girls. I am an addict.[/QUOTE]

Hernando. I'm sorry you're seperated. We are all here for you, one big support group. Helping you understand its ok for you to want to bang young chicks. You aren't making them do it, they want to. You're helping them out. The younger ones I'm with like an older, established man who has money to spend on them. You're doing a good thing helping them out. Don't be a quitter, we need you on our wall.

Sea Out

[QUOTE=Hernando; 1734790]You hit the nail on the head my friend, it is an addiction.

My SO has discovered my habit and is amazingly willing to work with me to get me" help " As said before, many wives want to preserve the family integrity and will go a long way to support their husband as long as he is working on his addiction. As a result of this I am seeing a zillion therapists, sex addiction specialists, who state there is a huge number of guys like us who just can't keep our dicks in our pants. The only difference between us and chemical addicts is that we are not physically damaging our bodies, but the same pathways in the brain are stimulated and imprinted by this adrenaline, cortisol, and oxytocin generating behavior.

So we start off with a little "playing around ". What harm could it do? Well here's what happens. There is SO much stimulation by a 60 yr old banging a 20 yr old that we get a rush of hormones that flood our brain bringing this intense sense of well being and happiness (Dopamine, Seratonin, and Norepinephrine) There are few things in a normal life that cause this much reaction. But when the chemical flood wears off we need more and more. And what is there not to love about having sex with a 20 yr old? A 50 yr old wife, even an attractive one, could never compete. So we set them up for failure.

The end result will be one of two things.

You will not get addicted and limit your play discretely to a low level bang and run, or

You will push the envelope needing to see more and more babies in spite of the consequences and eventually will get caught.

I am separated, getting counseling, and still can not get over the need to bed young girls. I am an addict.[/QUOTE]

Ah shit! Everybody getting sprung on the Kat. It's an epidemic!

Will young pussy be the ruin of all mankind? Nah! Just the horny ones like us!

P. S. Not a addict yet. But making it a point to abuse the pussy as much as possible.

I was told by my best friend. That I am addicted to this shit. He is the only one I have told other than the fine folks on here.

He by the way has, been married three times, fucked everything that moves, and is a reformed alcoholic. He works in the highest levels of law enforcement where 75% of their work revolves around the drug trade. So he knows a thing or two about addiction. But I honestly don't believe him.

I think our society calling what we do. Which is wanting to be with a lot of beautiful, young, highly sexual women deviant, addictive, or perverted behavior. Is complete and total bullshit!

Really? If you can find a man that is honest about what he is feeling he will tell you that he thinks about the poontang every day. I go back to the 80% statistic. You think that that many people are risking so much just for a little fun? Or that many people are deviant? Here's a crazy thought. Maybe it is the 20% that are deviant? At least that is the way I understood my college stat class.

I firmly believe that sex to a man is one of his fundamental sources of happiness. And we basically have a society that takes that away from us. Of course we are going to have all kinds of crazy things going on. Something is wrong here and it is not me. Here is the facts: men were built and programmed to have sex with as many women as they can. And no amount of social programming, religious training, or pop-psychology is going to change that. This is in our lizard brain and it is not going to stop.

You can fight it and suffer. You can accept it and find a way to get a little joy from it. Or maybe not get married (too late for me on that one). But if you deny it. You are now telling the worst kind of lie the one you tell yourself.

I choose to accept it, and tell the relatively small lies to my wife and society to maintain some brief shining moments of sanity to my otherwise boring existence. Let me ask you all a question.

What is the difference between Tiger Woods, or Kobe Bryant, or Mick Jagger and us? When it comes to chasing and fucking beautiful young women? They have the money and fame to do it anytime they want! That's it. Think of the 80% stat if we all had access to the pussy any time we wanted. It would easily be 100. There is an old interview on MTV with David Lee Roth of VanHalen, back when he could and would do drugs. It goes something like this:

Interviewer: "We want to ask you about your drug problem."

David Lee Roth: "Nah man. I ain't got a drug problem. Now back when I was poor I had a drug problem. Now that I got money. No drug problem".

The point is it was the access. That was the problem. Drugs is not pussy. And one we were made to have the other will fuck up your life. But I think you see my point.

Does this solve anything. Nah. I can't change society. But I do sleep a little better at night. Knowing that I am not some sort of evil deviant pervert. Know yourself my friends.

I look at the guys on here at some level kind of like between the Tiger Woods of the world and the average "normal" eunuchs of our society. We are kind of living out our biological prerogative. Only we do not get it handed to us. We have to go out there and chase it down.

Oops another rant.

Lets be careful out there.

Revvo

[QUOTE=Revvo;1734877]Really? If you can find a man that is honest about what he is feeling he will tell you that he thinks about the poontang every day. I go back to the 80% statistic. You think that that many people are risking so much just for a little fun? Or that many people are deviant? Here's a crazy thought. Maybe it is the 20% that are deviant? At least that is the way I understood my college stat class.[/QUOTE]Saying that I'm addicted to sex is like saying I'm addicted to food. Yeah, I could get by on hamburger or masturbation every day, but why the fuck would I [I]want [/I]to? If I can't have sex when I want and with whom I want, consensually of course, then I might as well die. Especially since it ain't hurting [I]anybody, [/I]much less [I]me[/I].

The discussion about so-called sex "addiction" should really be about "why the fuck are you so interested in who I'm fucking, you god-damned, self-righteous, arrogant, perverted fucktard?"

[noparse]/[/noparse]z

As they say, [i]a man is only as faithful as his options. [/i]

If you have money, the means, and access to women, the vast majority of men will take advantage of it.

Not to toot our own horns in this forum, while we may not be multi-million dollar sugar daddies, we are guys with some money. The majority of us are spending a minimum of $1000 a month on our Sugar Bowl activities (when you include all the costs involved). Even with all the knowledge and experience available on this forum, you still need enough money to ante up to get yourself in the sugar game. I'm guessing most guys here are probably spending between 12-24K per year on their sugar activities, so if you're making 30-40K annually, sugar babies aren't really an option unless you just see one with a really low CPO.

The sugar daddy sites are giving us the access.

And technology is giving us the means to be discreet (burner phones, google voice, visa gift cards, and etc).

These things are allowing us to follow our ingrained instincts to spread our seed as much as possible, more so than Joe Blow who may not have the money or the means. Doesn't make us more "evil" than Joe Blow, we just have more options. And guys like Tiger Woods are several magnitudes above us in terms of options, but fundamentally we're all basically the same.

I don't know if you call it an addiction or what, but something definitely happens when you get a steady diet of fresh young pootang. It becomes harder to eat the same bland porridge everyday even if it gets the job done. Pretty soon you only want freshly squeezed pootang. And you might end up doing stupid things or take unnecessary risks to get it. Is it an addiction or diet change, I'll let you decide.

As for kids, that's the only flaw with man's desire to bang as many women as possible. Kids do best with both a strong male and female (or dual parent if you want to be PC) presence in the household. So it makes sense why women in general instinctually want to attach themselves to a single man to look after their offspring. I think though a more natural arrangement for man would be similar to a Lion Pride or a polygamous marriage. A man can have as many women and children as he can support or protect. So it wouldn't be about trying to tie down a man into a monogamous relationship which just goes against our natural behavior. But it would be about making sure a man takes care of his responsibilities whatever they may be.

[QUOTE=Zomby; 1734930]"why the fuck are you so interested in who I'm fucking, you god-damned, self-righteous, arrogant, perverted fucktard?"

[noparse]/[/noparse]z[/QUOTE]Amen brother. Hahaha. Pun intended!

Revvo

My definition of an addict any addict, is when the addiction becomes more important than the daily routines of life that most of us must persue to be a so-called responsible and productive individual or member of society. Is your gas bill late because you spent it on a ho? Did you call in late for work because you were cruising some track at 3 am the night before? Is your marraige in shambles due to calls coming in at odd hours and unexplained blond hairs in the car? Do you feel beat up or are you damaged physically in some way due to excessive sex?

I say if you do your job, take care of your family responsibilities, maintain your health with diet and exercise and regular trips to the dr, then however much sex you have or spend time looking for is a hobby. Can you be addicted to your hobby? I have friends that spend as much or more time and money on fishing than some of us do on pussy.

But since the beginning of time sex, power and money have been the biggest motivators for man to be a success. I don't care much for power only in as much as it helps me to maintain the iconoclastic and eclectic california lifestyle I so enjoy. And yes I am a workoholic. I love money and the things it can buy. So am I an addict or just passionate about the things I love?

And to all the player haters out there (and hopefully there are none in here)... nana nana nana. LOL

[QUOTE=John G Smith; 1735210]As they say, [i]a man is only as faithful as his options. [/i]

If you have money, the means, and access to women, the vast majority of men will take advantage of it.

The sugar daddy sites are giving us the access.

And technology is giving us the means to be discreet (burner phones, google voice, visa gift cards, and etc).

I don't know if you call it an addiction or what, but something definitely happens when you get a steady diet of fresh young pootang. It becomes harder to eat the same bland porridge everyday even if it gets the job done. Pretty soon you only want freshly squeezed pootang.[/QUOTE]Having just spent the entire day holed up in a hotel with a Shiny New Baby yesterday, I agree that once you have fucked a twenty-something or two, there is no going back. This gorgeous baby's skin was flawless, and her body is close to perfect. Why in the world would any sane man want to settle for anything less, given the fact that he has, as you say, access to the fresh poontang? Since I started playing in the Bowl, I've fucked babies hotter than I would ever have had the courage to approach when I was their age! It continually amazes me that this world exists, and that there seems to be an unending supply of new babies every day! What a world!

Scheduled for an overnight with SNB on Thursday at another chic hotel (Hotels. Com is my new best friend) , and a romp with a tall, artistic redhead at her place (hooray for me) on Wednesday. Life is good.

Scott

[QUOTE=Golfcart;1733917]1. Fuck the wife with the same frequency in the same old way.[/QUOTE]I don't have this problem anymore, but it was damn difficult when I did."Pace yourself" is my only advice there.

[QUOTE=Golfcart;1733917]3. Our electronic media is our undoing.[/QUOTE]Quite true, and it even goes back to the "paper trail" from before email and cell phones. Pay cash for everything hobby- or sugar-related. Discard receipts safely. Don't keep phone cards or slips of paper in your wallet or coat pocket. Establish a cleansing routine, and don't stray from it.

In short, don't fuck up.

[QUOTE=Hernando;1734790]You hit the nail on the head my friend, it is an addiction.[/QUOTE]I don't think it's an addiction, per se; more of a compulsion. A natural compulsion, wherein our animal instincts demand we spread our seed as far and wide as possible, to strengthen our bloodline and have the highest chance of survivable offspring and, eventually, world domination. Of course I've been accused of being full of shit before.

I'm thinking of purchasing a rental FC on a lease. I'm talking about an apartment not a hotel. Anyone know what to be cautious of to avoid having it tie back to you on public records or your credit report? My list so far is:

1. Utilities under someone else's name.

2. Obviously no personal mail to that address.

I'm not sure if a lease agreement by itself goes into public record but I doubt it would. Am I missing anything else?

I couldn't agree more. I'm a single man and I can't see myself getting married now. This game has spoiled me to the utmost. I love every part of it the from the chase to the kill!

[QUOTE=West Central;1735276]I don't think it's an addiction, per se; more of a compulsion. A natural compulsion, wherein our animal instincts demand we spread our seed as far and wide as possible, to strengthen our bloodline and have the highest chance of survivable offspring and, eventually, world domination. Of course I've been accused of being full of shit before.[/QUOTE]"World domination". Yeah man. That's it. It almost sounds patriotic. Damn straight, I am a loyal American, therefore I monger. Great logic! There was a famous case when some amateur mongers were taken to trial over some of their antics, and this is how they handled it. I think we can all learn something from this. Here is the clip: Take special notice around 1:00 minutes into the trial.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROxvT8KKdFw[/url]

[QUOTE=Revvo; 1734273]Here is the latest. A pretty damn good week.

REVVOATF, My little raven haired MILF is going strong. She is such a pleasant breath of fresh air. We can only meet about once a week. Two at the most. But when we do it is heaven. She is completely available to me. When we are together. She has a busy life with a small child, no father in the picture. Does get support. And has a job but is in debt and hurting for money. I honestly feel bad for her. And she is not asking me for extra cash. And I want to help. But I do not want to set a precedent. This baby has lived on the top before her divorce so she knows what it is like. But she makes do. Maybe I will give her a little something extra just to help her out. Don't know yet. Sexy and gorgeous. I will rate her as a 9 head 8 body, and 10 attitude. It is amazing to say but she treats me so well. She can't keep her hands off of me. I am startled sometimes by it. She has said things to me nice things sexy things, that I have never heard from my wife in over 17 years of marriage. What kind of a fucking world do we live in guys? That this is how things are. If I could spend all of my time with her I would. But I live in another city and we have separate lives. So I have more babies to help out with the other days. I honestly was only trying to round out a list of baby's I could call on for back up. Or to have a bench but it has blossomed.

REVVOSB2, My little asian fortune cookie. Sweet as can be. Eager to please and never shy about getting down to business. She is looking for ways to fuck me that I have not done yet. We are working on a list. She is only in town every other week because of her job. She works for one of the pharmaceutical firms and travels to NY. I am going to see her on Monday for our next visit. She wants to meet right after she gets off the plane so we can get to it. Since she will have to pick up her son later in the day. So get down we will. She is a little hard to raise on text. But when she is on she is very responsive. Milfs with kids and job, are a lot more busy, part of the package. I will have a better report on her later this week. But all systems are go. She did a lot of modeling in her younger years she is 26yo 9 head 8 body, and 0 attitude. So I want to get some more of her professional pics.

REVVOPOT1, This baby is divorced and 28 YO white from somewhere in the Mediterranean. Lives in the same city as ATF. Absolutely gorgeous. I swear I am not that picky but I have a bench of all hotties right now. She is a 10 head 10 body, and about 7. 5 on attitude so far. But I learned something about her and others like her. You cannot be too good to them. It will ruin them if they stick around, but many times they will bolt if you are too good also. Got to be cocky and throw a little attitude back at her and accept no bad behavior. But not too much attitude. It is a balancing act. She sent me a picture with just her bra and panties, and pumps on. Shot from behind. She is standing on a balcony looking out. It almost brought a tear to my eye it was so perfect. This ass was fucking awesome. And she has that natural gap between her legs with the light from the outdoors shining through it. OMG I almost died. Anyway still working on her. But she is ready to meet and is good with a very fair price, $$ for a 10 I will be in heaven if I tap this.

REVVOPOT2, Another one that fell into my lap. Very new to the sugar bowl. 20 YO Latina, fine fine fine, and she is the worst looking of the four! I would rate her at a 8 head 8 body, and 7 attitude. Just because I am not sure of her yet. But I think she can be developed into some first string talent. We are set to meet on Monday. Strategy wise I have been trying to make contact with the new ones early on like Hollywood recommends. Then if they strike an attitude I just let them spend a couple of weeks trying to wade through the male debris that is in the sugar bowl. Then come back to them and see if they want to give it a try again. I did this with both of these POTs. And it seems to be working. They kind of understand how tough it can be out there. She is a college student very intelligent and has a very sexy body. Says she is open minded. Well I am going to open her mind some more and everything else. He he he. All kidding aside one of the things I have been told by all of these babies is that they get really creeped out by a lot of these men in and out of the sugar bowl and it really turns them off. I ask them about it and it is hard for them to explain. But the one thing I have noticed is that it seems like so many of these guys are just trying to get something from them. And the men are so needy. And the babies sense it. And they hate it.

Anyway that is where I am at for now. More reports to come. This should be a very busy week. Wifey is still kind of checking up on me. But I am following the advice on here and flying so low that my wheels are skimming off of the treetops. She is buying it. But she is still watching me.

Be careful out there,

Revvo[/QUOTE]Seems like you got it going on. IMHO the attitude and skill or its potential of a SB trumps looks as long as there is some reasonable amount of attraction. 10s are nice but they usually come with a tude that the world owes them something. But if you can get looks, skills and attitude all together in one package then you hit the SB trifecta.