Massage Parlor Reports

Any recommendations on a spa with the best price-to-service ratio? Looking for a new ATF after recent lame experience at Spring.

[QUOTE=Mangus Man]There's at least a few, on the right coast, cute enough, slim enough, though not too fit, that I like to get them going cause it gets me much more interested.

Same story, with recession, most days she sits from 10AM to 10PM and gets only 3 customers, so 3 hours work and 9 hours sitting doing nothing but watching life pass by.

Beg her, oh yeah. I beg for just one hour let's go around the corner to my house for a FS session Hey, all she does is sit there doing absolutely nothing for 9 hours every day, come on why not?

Here's why. No matter what they say, or what you think, THEY ARE SLAVES.
Her husband is in Korea. "Big Boss" ALWAYS drops her off AND picks her up 6 days a week at the KMP. NOT ALLOWED TO LEAVE HER APARTMENT BEFORE OR AFTER WORK, OR ON HER DAY OFF.

Basically, she is either in the apartment or the KMP, and NEVER ALLOWED TO BE ANYWHERE ELSE 24/7/365.

The two here that I like have stayed a while, but its 100% slave trafficking when you consider all the ones that are "moved" around from city to city every month or so.[/QUOTE]
That is not the experience of many here. This has been debated ad infinitem on the Massage board here in special interest section. A cuple of the guys actually live with K girls so check out what they say and I think you will see a deferent side of the story.

First time posting gentlemen, short time reader.

I had a very enjoyable time with Tina approx. 3.5 weeks ago. I have seen her about 4 or 5 times over the last year and Lucy the second to last time I was there, which was approx 5-6 weeks ago. I have had no luck except HE with both capable ladys, even with my charming persistence; however Tina seems to let me wander above the waist quite a bit more than Lucy does.

Both of their massage quality is great IMHO and the each have unique talents in other areas. I'm not sure when their bust occurred so I can't correlate my experiences to that event.

Good Luck,

[QUOTE=Clinton Bush]That is not the experience of many here. This has been debated ad infinitem on the Massage board here in special interest section. A cuple of the guys actually live with K girls so check out what they say and I think you will see a deferent side of the story.[/QUOTE]

Agree: A friend of mine spends lots of time outside the AMP with a few of the girls.

[QUOTE=Mangus Man]No matter what they say, or what you think, THEY ARE SLAVES.[/QUOTE]



Bull!
Most are single moms trying to support families.

The only reason they aren't allowed out is because spa owners don't want them dating customers. Who's going to come in and pay for a visit if he's getting it outside for free?

But they can leave anytime they want.

"The only reason they aren't allowed out" or "But they can leave anytime they want." Which is it? If they aren't allowed out, they [b][u]can't[/u][/b] leave anytime they want. They work 6 days a week, 12 hours a day and they aren't allowed out while they are. That doesn't sound like they can leave anytime they want to me. Do you mean they can [b][u]quit[/u][/b] anytime they want? If they're here illegally or on HB1 visas and they quit, then all they can do is go back to Korea unless they can find someone else to harbor them and pay all their expenses.

They usually don't speak much if any english, probably have only the most basic education, are of highly questionable legal immigration status, may be indebted to their employer for the inflated costs of bringing them to the US and housing and feeding them while they are here and may not have the funds (or possibly even possession of their passport) to return to Korea, so finding other legal work in the US that will pay enough to support themselves is highly unlikely. The only people they meet, other than other Koreans who are part of the AMP ring, are customers. And, even if they could arrange to meet them outside of the AMP or even leave the AMP to go off on their own, few customers will be ready to do more than pay for an outside session now and then and very few will be ready to take on the [b][u]full[/u][/b] responsibility of providing them the full room and board that they get from the AMP. Even if they could freely return to Korea (actually some I've spoken with were actually ethnic koreans from northern china), they probably face even more grinding poverty and possibly debts from their trip to the US. So none of that [b][u]really[/u][/b] sounds like [b][u]complete[/u][/b] freedom to just so easily leave anytime they want.

There are also questions about their working and living conditions. They may get to keep a portion of their tips (assuming they get more than "3 customers a day") but as "seasonal" or migrant workers they may not be subject to the minimum wage laws (assuming their employers aren't also outright violating other labor laws). And lets not forget the long hours. And they may have other deductions by the AMP ring taken from what they get "paid" to cover (or more likely more than cover) the costs of transporting, feeding and housing them (probably packed into a small 3 room house or apartment with a dozen others). They probably signed some sort of contract back in Korea where they guaranteed to pay certain fees to get to the US and for their living expenses while here out of their earnings and may have had to surrender their passport as security.

If all of that is not quite slavery, then it is indentured servitude and all of it seems darn close to slavery to me even if it isn't quite.

[QUOTE=Mangus Man]
Here's why. No matter what they say, or what you think, THEY ARE SLAVES.[/QUOTE]
Wow! So today when I saw a k-girl exiting her M-class Mercedes before heading into her shop, I should really think that she is going from one place of captivity to another? Interesting.

The truth is most are US citizens, some have "green cards" and some are ethnic Koreans from China.

They aren't allowed to go out for a night by the spa owners for stated reasons.

But they can quit anytime they want. They can go home on extended vacation anytime they want. Most live in Los Angeles, New York, Chicago, etc. They have families, house payments, car payments, kids to support, basically normal lives,.....except they have an unusual job and way of earning a living.

I have had relationships with a few on the outside. They all scoff at the notion of human trafficking, slavery crap. That's mostly liberal political BS. Not saying it doesn't happen some places, but it's the exception rather than the rule.

[QUOTE=Vitamin P]They all scoff at the notion of human trafficking, slavery crap. That's mostly liberal political BS. Not saying it doesn't happen some places, but it's the exception rather than the rule.[/QUOTE]

Co-sign. When I lived in ATL, my favorite spot was owned by the talent. The mamasan was the hired help.

Hey Vit P. Went and saw T a couple weeks ago right after she got back from NY. I had read about the bust but didn't bring it up. Asked how it was going and there as an awkward pause but she didn't mention it. I have seen her many times and have a really good repore with her and she was still a little hesitant at the end. She is such a great girl. Total BS they pick on her. I can think of a couple places I'd like to direct them to.

As for some recent reports (a little late) saw Yumi at Nagoya about 2 months ago. Had seen her a year ago (?) twice at Jap Spa. Back then first time awesome, second time crap. Saw her recently in late May, awesome. She was playful, outgoing, and very accomodating. Very impressed, gave her .6 and she seemed very happy. Laughed when she realized I had a peppermint in my mouth she gave me when I got there after what I just did for her. Went back a week later for round 2 and like Jekyl and Hyde. Hurry, don't do that, no, bla, bla, bla. Total crap. Not worth the hassle. Never know what your gonna get. 2 times awesome, 2 times crap. Actually went to Jap Spa couple weeks ago and Yumi answers the window (moved back from Nagoya I guess). Just said nevermind and left.

Not sure I want to report about the good experiences because I don't want to ruin a good thing for people. It seems like everyone is holding back on posting for the same reason unless nobody is partaking anymore. I will say I went to ** several months ago when someone posted about ** and she was incredible. Went back a week later and she wasn't there but the girl that was was even better!! Model looks and body that was unbelievable. AND she did EVERYTHING for 1. even. Wanted more but that was all I had. I went back a few weeks later and saw the same little hottie. Even better than the first time until time to leave. Gave her 1.2 this time and she pitches a fit. Throws it on the table and says "NO GOOD!". Very awkward. Thought she would be happy. Told her that was more than last time but she didn't want to hear it. Damn I hate when that happens, but I wouldn't have agreed to the 2. she wanted afterward PLUS the .8 door. Mama I guess heard her going on and on but was still really nice when she let me out the back. Said "thanks, see you next time". I just grumbled "whatever, total bullshit". Hope she went in and tore into the *****. So out of the 3 times I went there, 3 scores. But after the last time not sure I'll go back. If you want the name PM me and I'll be selective but if I know you or you have a lot of reports I'll give you the name. Sorry so long, but it had been a while since my last report.

Be safe.

Nagoya and Yokohama are always hit and miss. I'm hesitant to report a hit knowing that it might be a miss for the next monger.

By the way - Kyoto Spa (old J Spa) and Bodysage are both closed. I'm assuming they forgot to get their LMT license. If anybody sees them reopened, send me a message.

Just went to Nagoya.
Total waste of time and money.

Looking at visiting 73rd aromatherapy, Final touch or Tropical Gardens. These places operate like amps? Got my fill of the AMP's here in Atlanta and the thought of an American staff is exciting.

Anyone?

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[QUOTE=Bigfella97]Looking at visiting 73rd aromatherapy, Final touch or Tropical Gardens. These places operate like amps? Got my fill of the AMP's here in Atlanta and the thought of an American staff is exciting.

Anyone?

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Yes these places are like an AMP but no Asians and no massage. You will get a body rub and relaxation session that is 20 minutes or a half hour in length unless you want to pay for more. Final Touch/Tropical Gardens are 2 locations -same management and are both recommended (see their web site for schedules).

I have only been to 73rd Aromatherapy once several years ago. At that time cleanliness, service and upselling were big problems. Perhaps it has improved since then. I don't know. I have not been back, nor would I go back. The word is that now they videotape their customers as they enter the shop as well as in the rooms. Also LEO is always lurking in the parking lot (see St Pete AMP forum). If you like the idea of being taped, by all means give them a try. You might be starring in your own reality TV show and not even know it. Most of us locals would pass.

The hobbyist have spoken and you get a better selection of hotties for you money at Final Touch or Tropical Gardens. I have personal friends who patronage those two regularly and get alot of bang for their bucks.

I'm with CB-- I don't need my own reality show. I go where the local popo isn't hanging out.

Happy Hunting..


[QUOTE=Bigfella97]Looking at visiting 73rd aromatherapy, Final touch or Tropical Gardens. These places operate like amps? Got my fill of the AMP's here in Atlanta and the thought of an American staff is exciting.

Anyone?

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