Massage Parlor Reports

[QUOTE=GemiHilarious;6637984]$. 04 is standard around here. Crystal doesn't get a lot of attention on here anymore, its kinda low key, but they used to be one of the best. My ATF Diana used to work there years ago but she retired to Koreatown in LA. Then they were overtaken by some more enthusiastic AMP's. Crystal sometimes gets a little better clientele bc of its location so they might get a little more out of customers, but $. 04 is definitely the standard. You can always walk and ask for your money back. You would receive similar if not better service at Yoshiko around the corner or a few other places nearby. If they push you on price you can be polite but push back. Its a negotiation. A bad review on here is far more damaging to business than $. 2 would be in their pocket. Personally if I get a lot of attitude, I just walk. Service, demeanor and enthusiasm is far more important to me than just about any other quality. Usually if it starts with attitude it kinda spoils the entire session at least IMO.[/QUOTE]Yep $. 4 is also what they accepted at the Orange spa nearby so that is how much I brought, but the girl I like wasn't there. In SoCal places, it was $. 2 for 30 min FS and that was only after services, and the K girls were a little younger. Think she just tried really hard to convince me and I got tired of arguing and since I already paid the house fee anyway.

[QUOTE=SlackAction;6638007](...) The Tampa area has been 150 for a long time. (...)[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=GemiHilarious;6637984]$. 04 is standard around here. Crystal doesn't get a lot of attention on here anymore, its kinda low key, but they used to be one of the best. (...) Then they were overtaken by some more enthusiastic AMP's. Crystal sometimes gets a little better clientele bc of its location so they might get a little more out of customers, but $. 04 is definitely the standard. (...) You would receive similar if not better service at Yoshiko around the corner (...) If they push you on price you can be polite but push back. Its a negotiation. (...) Personally if I get a lot of attitude, I just walk.[/QUOTE]I dunno what you guys have been paying, but it's been widely reported here, by myself and [b]many[/b] others, that the standard House Fee and Tip Rate for what I call the "[u] High-End Korean AMPs[/u] in the Tampa Bay area has been 80 House Fee for an hour and 60 for a half-hour, plus 160 Tip for an hour of FS, and 140 for a half-hour of FS. This would include, but not necessarily be limited to, Yoshiko, Yokohama, Orange, and Crystal in Tampa; Pine Tree, Eve's Spa, and Palace in Pinellas County (probably one or two more, but not many). This rate structure has been consistently in place for more than the 8 years I've been visiting the many Korean AMPs up and down Kennedy Blvd and Dale Mabry Hwy, as well as all around Pinellas County, including many closed establishments like Han River on Lois Ave, Kim's Massage on Kennedy, Venus on Cypress, Lucky Spa on Kennedy, and some I can't remember in Pinellas.

As alluded to earlier by [b]RubMapper[/b], [u]ALL[/u] of these places source their talent from a closely-knit community of Korean providers nationwide. That doesn't necessarily mean girls freely rotate between ALL of the current locations, although some mingle a bit (like the main talent at Yoshiko in Tampa and Pine Tree in Largo rotating between those two locations), but it does mean they "know one another." I've referred to this community as the "[u]Korean Koffee Klatch[/u]" of local providers and they DO, in fact, collude, in a loose-knit fashion, to set not only pricing but also services (this is why you find that NONE of these places offer BBBJ, for example, and the rest of their services closely mirror one another).

Regarding Crystal Spa in particular: The legendary [b]Joanne[/b] used to work, for many years, exclusively at Crystal Spa... then she abruptly vanished about 2½-3 years ago, only to turn up a short time later at Yoshiko/Pine Tree. I've never been able to get a full disclosure from her on exactly WHY she moved, but the implication was a change in ownership or management (let's call that speculation). Then, among the 'replacement talent' at Crystal, Coco (and others) started asking (and holding out for) a 200 tip, while only begrudgingly granting me FS for the mere 160 I brought with me. Needless to say, following that episode, I crossed Crystal off my list, as did many other guys. I believe it's largely for THAT reason that you hear so little about Crystal these days. As a side note, it's actually good to read [b]RubMapper[/b]'s report that his unnamed provider was clearly stating a tip rate of 160 (20 more than the 140 he brought), so perhaps they've yielded to the pressure of the Korean Koffee Klatch and brought their tip demand back in line with the rest of them. A well-known busty provider at Yoshiko actually told me (back then) that she had heard that Crystal was trying to increase their tip rate and she, the Yoshiko provider, thought that was completely unreasonable. Although she sounded sincere, and I do have a high level of trust with this provider, you always gotta take anything they say with a grain of salt, but she did seem to be telling me that their 160 rate was NOT going up (perhaps as a way to assure I would return rather than try Crystal again).

Going into an AMP with the mindset that you're about to be in a 'negotiation' is also a proven method to court disappointment, in my opinion. I find it's more productive to conduct any 'negotiation' BEFORE even walking in the door and doing that negotiation only with yourself. This can be accomplished through research (here on USASG, for example) to determine ahead of time exactly what rates are generally accepted at the AMP in question and then being prepared to offer exactly THAT amount (let's call that the local market rate) and doing so BEFORE your provider has the opportunity to 'open a negotiation' with a much higher demand while hoping to 'come down' as little as possible. In this way, you're presenting the tip amount you KNOW she'll work for and you're overtly demonstrating to your provider that you KNOW that amount and you can't be snookered into some outrageously high tip. My personal approach for doing this, when the provider asks "What do you want?", is to say exactly THIS: "[red]I have 160 for [u]everything[/u][/red]"

By the way, Yoshiko is not "around the corner". Rather, it's "down the street" on the opposite side of Kennedy Blvd. And if anyone is real experienced at "walking out" of an AMP over pricing or attitude, in my view, that's another way of saying "not at all informed or very experienced" at what the actual market rate is for the area. That 'attitude' most often shows up when a client demonstrates a lack of that understanding. I also have a suspicion that anyone paying even a smidge less than that 160 standard tip rate may be unknowingly getting shorted on the full range of services, engagement, and enthusiasm for the session... while the girls may not always balk at an offer being 10 or 20 short, I think you'll see even their slight disappointment show up during the session - which is just my opinion.

Back when I was in Chicago I visited a KAMP where the woman charged $150 for a massage that started normal and then moved towards erotic and ended up with a long period of edging with the hands. They didn't want a tip, just the $150 up front. I honestly found it better than full on sex or a blowjob, and am wondering if anyone around here offers similar services. Sorry if this is the wrong place to ask LOL.

[QUOTE=DrWilly;6624787]I won't duplicate the entire post history, but check this post out (and the one immediately below the one at this link):

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3675-Massage-Parlor-Reports&p=6624767#post6624767[/URL]

Probably needs verification, but doom and gloom over Soda likely not returning makes it a sad day.[/QUOTE]It will be interesting to see. If so, it will be the end of an era. I'll admit, I haven't frequented AMPs much since Han River went down. Momo, June and Soda were fantastic providers. I think Momo is in Atlanta and out of the industry. Soda pretty much lives in Atlanta and works down here. June was in jail for a while and not sure what's she is doing now. I miss Momo a lot.

According to the post, Soda is not coming back due to "back pain". That's tough. I know she is an avid runner and carrying that much weight on her chest can't be easy. She's a wonderful person. I wish her good luck.

[QUOTE=Beefer99;6641621]It will be interesting to see. If so, it will be the end of an era. I'll admit, I haven't frequented AMPs much since Han River went down. Momo, June and Soda were fantastic providers. I think Momo is in Atlanta and out of the industry. Soda pretty much lives in Atlanta and works down here. June was in jail for a while and not sure what's she is doing now. I miss Momo a lot.

According to the post, Soda is not coming back due to "back pain". That's tough. I know she is an avid runner and carrying that much weight on her chest can't be easy. She's a wonderful person. I wish her good luck.[/QUOTE]I heard HR Mimi retired. HR June still has the criminal case, out on bail. Not sure if any restrictions but I'm sure council told her to stay out of trouble.

YUMI & SODA & NICOLE. Anybody know where they are working now?

Thanks in advance!

[QUOTE=GemiHilarious;6637984]$. 04 is standard around here. Crystal doesn't get a lot of attention on here anymore, its kinda low key, but they used to be one of the best. My ATF Diana used to work there years ago but she retired to Koreatown in LA. Then they were overtaken by some more enthusiastic AMP's. Crystal sometimes gets a little better clientele bc of its location so they might get a little more out of customers, but $. 04 is definitely the standard. You can always walk and ask for your money back. You would receive similar if not better service at Yoshiko around the corner or a few other places nearby. If they push you on price you can be polite but push back. Its a negotiation. A bad review on here is far more damaging to business than $. 2 would be in their pocket. Personally if I get a lot of attitude, I just walk. Service, demeanor and enthusiasm is far more important to me than just about any other quality. Usually if it starts with attitude it kinda spoils the entire session at least IMO.[/QUOTE]Who carries 104 dollars in their wallet?

[QUOTE=TTY954;6642591]Who carries 104 dollars in their wallet?[/QUOTE]Dyslexic mongers!

[QUOTE=TTY954;6642591]Who carries 104 dollars in their wallet?[/QUOTE][QUOTE=FLCooter;6642764]Dyslexic mongers![/QUOTE]Mongers who frequent strip clubs, but it's all in ones.

[QUOTE=BeachGuy21;6634231]Made a stop by RA yesterday and who do I see when I walk in? Yep, Bella. She is back after being gone for almost 4 months. She's put on some weight but her skills haven't changed one bit. Her massages actually got better too. Anyway, paid the house fee for 30 min and went back to the room. Like I said, massage was good with her teasing and me rubbing her ass and legs any chance I got. On the flip, she pulls down her skirt and puts my hand on her p* She asks what I want and I tell her I want full menu $. 2. Put on my hat and she jumped on top. After about 2 min she wants on her back. Soon as she got on her back, went to town until I was done. Laid back on table, got cleaned up and finished with head massage. It's good to have Bella back.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the update on RA. Time for me to make my way back over.

[QUOTE=TTY954;6642591]Who carries 104 dollars in their wallet?[/QUOTE]Again with the code, pretty sure he meant 140. The code is pointless, don't use it.

[QUOTE=JayTwogo;6642785]Mongers who frequent strip clubs, but it's all in ones.[/QUOTE]They don't have a choice BUT to goto the strip club, they didn't bring enough tip to the AMP and got booted out.

[QUOTE=JayTwogo;6642785]Mongers who frequent strip clubs, but it's all in ones.[/QUOTE]Can you imagine the look on the girls face if there were 140 tip all across the bed in ones and she had to cut them in front of you?

Has anyone been to the Shangri-La on Hillsborough and 56th (next to the old Kanes Furniture). I pass this place almost every day and wondered if there are any extras to be had here?

[QUOTE=BbbjtcLover;6644190]Has anyone been to the Shangri-La on Hillsborough and 56th (next to the old Kanes Furniture). I pass this place almost every day and wondered if there are any extras to be had here?[/QUOTE]Go to Google Maps and locate Shangri-La Bath & Sauna on the map (exactly where you describe the location). Then click on the little location icon and your browser SHOULD bring up their Google Ad information (at least it does on my Chrome browser on my laptop).

The photos attached to that Google Ad show various FOOD dishes, a "Locker Room", and other assorted stuff that is NOT normally associated with a place that offers the kind of "extras" most of this community is usually looking for. Of particular note is one photo showing what I can only assume to be five members of their staff, none of whom appear to be "providers".