"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=ToeLover57;2938410]I had four dinner / lunch dates in three weeks with DnD, 23 Richmond on Seeking Arrangements. Said she needed time before anything intimate. So we did four dates in three weeks. Bought her 2 pair of shoes, VS bra and gave her some cash for summer school textbooks. Last date was lunch yesterday. She wasn't too talkative and keep asking what time it was. After an hour she remembered she had to leave earlier than expected.

I sent her a text last night that I didn't get a reply from. Now I see she blocked me on SA. I used my secondary profile to look and she is still online there. So definitely blocked.

I got rinsed for about 600 counting meals, shoes and cash. Take your chances with her if you dare.[/QUOTE]Ouch. Remember the golden rule, Fuck First Pay Later.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2938578]Ouch. Remember the golden rule, Fuck First Pay Later.[/QUOTE]As I have read here before. No pay until the panties hit the floor. You need to read this forum a lot more before jumping in the bowl. Good luck.

[QUOTE=ToeLover57;2938410]I had four dinner / lunch dates in three weeks with DnD, 23 Richmond on Seeking Arrangements. Said she needed time before anything intimate. So we did four dates in three weeks. Bought her 2 pair of shoes, VS bra and gave her some cash for summer school textbooks. Last date was lunch yesterday. She wasn't too talkative and keep asking what time it was. After an hour she remembered she had to leave earlier than expected.

I sent her a text last night that I didn't get a reply from. Now I see she blocked me on SA. I used my secondary profile to look and she is still online there. So definitely blocked.

I got rinsed for about 600 counting meals, shoes and cash. Take your chances with her if you dare.[/QUOTE]Toe,

As I'm sure you now know only too well, you were taken advantage of. The wisdom contained in this clubhouse journal is real, hard-won, and not to be dismissed lightly.
You should have known better, but that said, I applaud you for outing this Bad Baby. While I fish in a more northern pond, I'm sure my brothers in Richmond appreciate the warning. I just wish for your sake it had come cheaper.

Onward, with eyes more open,

Scott

[QUOTE=FScott;2938698]Toe,

As I'm sure you now know only too well, you were taken advantage of. The wisdom contained in this clubhouse journal is real, hard-won, and not to be dismissed lightly.
You should have known better, but that said, I applaud you for outing this Bad Baby. While I fish in a more northern pond, I'm sure my brothers in Richmond appreciate the warning. I just wish for your sake it had come cheaper.

Onward, with eyes more open,

Scott[/QUOTE]Toe. Sorry man. It sucks, but learn from it and onward. I usually sort these women out at the first M&G. I tell them I'm willing to wine and dine to an extent, but there will be no gifts / cash until there is intimacy. The girls that are looking for a mark say no. The true SB's stick around.

[QUOTE=BikeRider;2938841]Toe. Sorry man. It sucks, but learn from it and onward. I usually sort these women out at the first M&G. I tell them I'm willing to wine and dine to an extent, but there will be no gifts / cash until there is intimacy. The girls that are looking for a mark say no. The true SB's stick around.[/QUOTE]We need to maintain the same policy to weed out the rinsers.

[QUOTE=BikeRider;2938841]Toe. Sorry man. It sucks, but learn from it and onward. I usually sort these women out at the first M&G. I tell them I'm willing to wine and dine to an extent, but there will be no gifts / cash until there is intimacy. The girls that are looking for a mark say no. The true SB's stick around.[/QUOTE]Yeah I should have known better. She got me after I had a string of no replies from other hot young babes. She knows how to work it seeming so excited to be taken shopping and promising fun to come soon. I have to toughen up and not fall for the pretty please.

[QUOTE=ToeLover57;2939204]Yeah I should have known better. She got me after I had a string of no replies from other hot young babes. She knows how to work it seeming so excited to be taken shopping and promising fun to come soon. I have to toughen up and not fall for the pretty please.[/QUOTE]We all do! One of the hardest lessons I had to learn was that saying "yes dear" all of the time can actually work against you. For instance, you're at a bar and a gorgeous babe asks you to buy her a drink (or maybe for her and her friends). Most guys will fall over themselves to do it. I fell for this more than once in my 20's. The girls say thanks and walk away. They definitely don't value you.

Instead. Make them work for the drink some how. I usually now hit them back with - "why should I buy you a drink?" and look them up and down, or "only if you buy me one first". Some walk away for an easier mark. Some stay, and we end talking for a while and I get a number (or better) out of it.

The moral of the story is people seldom value things that come easy. You'll do well when you can make the baby work for it without her knowing it and while she's having fun doing it.

[QUOTE=ToeLover57;2938410]I had four dinner / lunch dates in three weeks with DnD, 23 Richmond on Seeking Arrangements. Said she needed time before anything intimate. So we did four dates in three weeks. Bought her 2 pair of shoes, VS bra and gave her some cash for summer school textbooks. Last date was lunch yesterday. She wasn't too talkative and keep asking what time it was. After an hour she remembered she had to leave earlier than expected.

I sent her a text last night that I didn't get a reply from. Now I see she blocked me on SA. I used my secondary profile to look and she is still online there. So definitely blocked.

I got rinsed for about 600 counting meals, shoes and cash. Take your chances with her if you dare.[/QUOTE]Nothing wrong with a SB needing some time to feel a connection before being intimate. HOWEVER, to pay an allowance during this 'warming up' time only makes you a mark and should never be done in my opinion (unless paying for platonic dates is your thing). I'm ok with treating an attractive girl for lunch a couple of times if I have nothing else going on, but I make it clear there is NO allowance during this time. If her intent is to rinse, she won't agree and you've saved your time and $, if she agrees you are locking in a SB in training. Of course, these dates are low priority if conflicting with a FC date with a SB.

Ok it looks like a few people are posting actual info on SBs. FYI, Mayaaw 19, Varina AA is not into intimate encounters just wants to have fun on the town.

My brothers,

I think the time for Toe-bashing has passed. In my opinion, he was courageous to step forward and tell his story, knowing full well that he had been rinsed, but wanting to save his fellow Richmond brothers from a similar fate. That deserves respect, am I right? Now, if it happens a second time, then let's all pile on, but I am certain this lesson has been well-learned, and we shall hear no more from him regarding Victoria's Secret bras unless it is a picture of one wrapped around his shiniest New Baby!

On another subject, my SO and I recently moved back into the city where I fish, and I have a new job which requires me to visit many neighborhoods in the city on a continuing basis, and I have been having the most awesome, intense and enjoyable Proustian experiences as I have been driving clients around this past year or so.

I have been in the Bowl for almost six years, and pretty much everywhere I go these days I am reminded of some Baby or another, and I have to admit it is pretty wonderful.

I know many of you swear by the rule of keeping your Home Base and Sugar Bowl far apart, but I feel like I have to advocate just a bit for the opposite. Everywhere I go I get a woodie because of some intense memory of fucking an HYB, and I must confess it is a lot of fun! I am waiting for the day that I show a property in a building where I had a baby, but I'm sure it will happen eventually.

All this to say that life is good, rich, complex and amazing!

Cheers to you all, and keep up the good work! This is the BEST thread on the site, with the most civilized brothers ever, recent tempests-in-teapots notwithstanding.

Boats against the current,

Scott

I'd stay away from her, she's one of the bad ones I've dealt with. Greedy little SB that thinks sending videos of herself are sufficient when she originally said she'd meet up. Big time scammer.

[QUOTE=ArcherSterling;2937563]My wife worked 10 years for AVEDA at the corporate level, doing salon development. Half her time and energy was holding their hands and the other half of her time and energy was spent trying to slap some sense into them.

When she left, I asked if she wanted to open a hair salon. "No Fucking Way, Bitches be Crazy".

They are notoriously temperamental. They believe they have a "following" and their clients will cross town and fields of lava to bask in their creative genius (now translate this mentality into pussy). They will walk out on a salon en masses to try to teach the owner a lesson.[/QUOTE]Notes from the field:

We hit a bar the liquor starts flowing. She's getting touchy, feely. We get to my place, watch some TV and she watches TV with her head laying in my crotch. I pull out and she gives a little bit of oral, but doesn't finish the job. It was like a drunken wet tease and then she passes out. Next morning we have breakfast out, I drop her off home. She falls off the face of the earth. No response to text, isn't picking up the phone or anything. It's been days. Totally weird. Nothing went wrong in the date at all. This is the flakiest, blue ball experience EVER.

Were you one of her first Sugar Dates? If so, its not completely out of the blue (forgive the pun).

I've encountered babies who are new to the bowl that love the idea of the sugar lifestlye in theory but can't go through with it once they realize what its about. I suspect that for them, it comes too close to being a prostitute.

I took one baby out on a lunch date and ended it with a very nice open mouth, very passionate French kiss. No FC trip because I had plans with the SO at night. I exchanged a few texts with the pot about how she enjoyed our time together and made plans for our next date. Two days later she completely disappears and her profile disappears of SA.

Some girls love the idea of being a baby, but when the reality of it all begins to sink in, often times its just too much too handle.

Another possibility. She is playing the age old game of keeping you in the dark.

[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;2940095]Notes from the field:

We hit a bar the liquor starts flowing. She's getting touchy, feely. We get to my place, watch some TV and she watches TV with her head laying in my crotch. I pull out and she gives a little bit of oral, but doesn't finish the job. It was like a drunken wet tease and then she passes out. Next morning we have breakfast out, I drop her off home. She falls off the face of the earth. No response to text, isn't picking up the phone or anything. It's been days. Totally weird. Nothing went wrong in the date at all. This is the flakiest, blue ball experience EVER.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FScott;2939968]
I know many of you swear by the rule of keeping your Home Base and Sugar Bowl far apart, but I feel like I have to advocate just a bit for the opposite. Everywhere I go I get a woodie because of some intense memory of fucking an HYB, and I must confess it is a lot of fun! I am waiting for the day that I show a property in a building where I had a baby, but I'm sure it will happen eventually. [/QUOTE]Guilty as charged. I think I'm the primary offender in terms of religiously keeping a safe radius to my home area, but I always disclose that my way of doing things is not necessarily right for everyone. I don't play close to home because I had a been-there-done-that situation back during my days of marriage. It got to a point where I had fucked so many women in a metro area of a few million that it seemed like I couldn't go anywhere with my then-spouse without either seeing one of them, one of their friends, or having some other sort of close encounter that just made me nervous. After a while I started to realize cheating had a cumulative effect, and the more I did it the more I had to look over my shoulder. There was only one solution to sleeping well at nights, pre-emptively seek a divorce and split assets while things were still on equal terms!

That's not my situation now, my situation is simply that I don't like the stress of looking over my shoulder. I find that babies in other cities that know I'm just passing through accept my situation, they know their time with me might be fleeting, and that just happens to work well for my situation because I don't have to make promises about being their knight in shining armor that's going to let them start stacking up their shampoo bottles in my shower. God knows that if I were willing to do that I would be dizzy from swimming in pussy. But I have a real relationship that grounds me and that I've committed to seeing through (whether that means it ends next month, next year, or never, but I have committed to doing the best I can in it so that will land wherever it will).

I get the impression here some of these brothers hate their wives and / or their life outside of their sugaring escape, and in some ways may be using the bowl to empower them to do what they really want to do. Certainly nothing wrong with that, getting lots of pussy is a great way to clear the mind (sort of a variation on what Chris Elliott used to call "cleaning the pipes". LOL).

So yeah, if you can play close to home safely (or within the risk boundaries you consider acceptable), then by all means have at it. I've even considered renting private office space within reasonable driving proximity to home (cheaper than an apartment+utilities) just to have a regular discreet fuck chamber to take them to. But when sex is done right my girls get kind of noisy and some of these rooms are maybe 100 sqft, sitting amidst other offices where people are trying to work. LOL. So that may not go over well. Maybe I just need a custom van with upgraded suspension for the extra vigorous poundings? Then all I need is a reasonable place to park.

Haven't posted for quite a while. Probably having too much fun to write. The current lineup is varied and keeps me busy. And satisfied. In order of my priorities:

1. Fuck Bunny: Pic is attached. Met her when she was 18. She is 20 now. Hottest little piece of ass I ever had. She is cute, pleasant, funny, petitely well built, energetic and a total nymphomaniac. She is sex heroin. I can never get enough. Even after 4 hours of wild fucking and sucking I still want more. All good things must come to an end, but I hope the end for this is far, far away.

2. Double Team Bunnies: One is white, the other black early 20's, good looking. The white girl is thin and the black girl is chunky. And they like to play together. We have realized every FMF fantasy I can imagine. My favorite is sitting on one of their faces while she tongue fucks my ass while the other other gives me hot, sloppy DT. OMFG! I get hard just thinking about it. Or, making out with one while the other fucks me or sucks me off. It's like having sex with a two headed woman.

3. Stripper Bunny: Strippers don't always make the best SBs, but this rule has some exceptions. She used to be a stripper but has "retired. " She is in her mid-20's, pretty, well tatted, nice tits, a little chubby / rounded and very skilled. She can DT me like a Hoover and is very multi-orgasmic, which I love. She likes her nipples pinched very hard as she cums. I pinch them with 100% force and no other woman has ever been able to tolerate that much less enjoy it. She is a squirter. I find that very hot. She is about as open minded as a woman gets. She'll try anything: anal, ass munching, 3-somes, other couples, bondage. If I can think of it she'll do it. Fuck Bunny is my sleek thorougbred but Stripper Bunny is my sexual workhorse.

4. Girl Next Door Bunny: 19, cute, well built, modest and nave. She has a kid, lives with her sister and likes to make extra money on the side. She advertised on Craig's list and I was lucky enough to be her first paid gig. She's not the most experienced or skilled or enthusiastic provider, but she is agreeable to do anything to please, even if she doesn't like it. It is perversely thrilling to have her do anything I want. I have trained her to be my obedient fuck doll.

5. MILF Bunny: Late 30's, Pretty and chubby. Horniest woman I ever met. She has my zipper down in 5 seconds of getting together and is hungrily sucking and begging to be fucked. She will do absolutely anything. Brought along a friend from out of town last time. They both couldn't get enough. Hot, wet, and wild!

Life is good my brothers.