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Just for fun I reread a portion of the thread from it's inception. WOW!
I want to thank Lit for the ground work that he did pretty much singlehandedly. It was a groundbreaking effort and it was fun to see all the characters come and go as the narrative moved on. I highly recommend that we all occasionally review how this thing has evolved into one of the most effective pussy hunting "How To " books ever. I think Lit should produce " Pussy hunting for Dummies "
Thanks Lit
[QUOTE=Literal2; 1730159]Categories can change and targets of opportunity often supersede preconceptions (aka Mr Johnson has a mind of his own) but here's my priority list of targets based on BT's categories:
1. Hot Young Babies. (Under the age of 25, possibly in College or working Part Time jobs, etc) [$$] Cash is mid-high, gifts are a big hit. Dating is optional, but has greater impact. LIT2 COMMENT: I think a lot of SDs share this no. 1 priority. Easier said than done, however.
2. Non Pros / UTRs. (Under the Radar, Met at their Part time workplace, CL, Don't know they are SBs, Possible 1 advertisement away from being pros) [$$-$$$] Dating optional, Cash outlay is moderate. Lit2 COMMENT: I include in this category no-nonsense babes who know what they want and sign up for the SB sites but don't accept they are UTRs. I like the lack of entanglements plus the amateur enthusiasm in this group.
3, The Needy. (Needing Little to no money, but attention and a good screwing) [$$] [Low cash requirement, Dating is mandatory, potential high Emotional Involvement. Lit2 COMMENT: This is a preferred category for me because the neediness / emotion ramps up the passion but these babies scare the piss out of me when they start attempts to get involved in your life. High security risk.
4. Converts. (Strippers and Escorts you are trying to turn into SBs) [$$$$] Cash is high. Lots of upfront work. Dating only at beginning. Lit2 COMMENT: I like strippers because you can inspect the merchandise and it is often a challenge to fuck them because they have seen it all before. Dating may be necessary to get her across the line. Yes they can be expensive. Escorts are too crazy to date when I've tried so I don't do it any more.
5. Nando 1s- (Desperate need your money for food, rent, etc. Age is irrelevant) [$] Low cash expenditure. Cash and FC are tied together. No Emotional Involvement. Lit2 COMMENT: these always make me feel guilty which is not what I am looking for.
6. Middle Grounders. (Over 25, small imperfections, may need some bills covered, not desperate. But not really comfortable either) [$$-$$$] Cash is mid-high, Dating is preferred, potential high Emotional Involvement. Gifts and Dating have high impact. Lit2 COMMENT: For me, these are among the worst. Often afflicted with GPS, often looking for a husband.
7. SB Professional. (Allowance Types, Higher Costs, Had SDs before, Potentially GPS) [$$$$] High Cash component, Dating and Gifts Mandatory. Lit2 COMMENT: These babies want to control you. Some will be gorgeous, but too cold blooded for me. Plus I don't like dating any sb.
These are my subjective responses. I'm sure there are different priorities of targets.
Interesting exercise.[/QUOTE]My first real SB was a #7 (hate to admit that). Then I eventually made it through the #2's down to the #5's to save money and time and like you said no emotion, just fucking. Now I am only doing the #1/3 combo girls for $ or less. Very high emotional involvement which cuts way back on the dollars as they do not want one without the other, working or student or both. Basically part time girlfriends. Long term strategy required, but well worth it as they are exclusive to me.
[QUOTE=Hernando; 1730214]Just for fun I reread a portion of the thread from it's inception. WOW!
I want to thank Lit for the ground work that he did pretty much singlehandedly. It was a groundbreaking effort and it was fun to see all the characters come and go as the narrative moved on. I highly recommend that we all occasionally review how this thing has evolved into one of the most effective pussy hunting "How To " books ever. I think Lit should produce " Pussy hunting for Dummies "
Thanks Lit[/QUOTE]I second that. Lit founded this thread when much was assumed and little was known about the topic. It has become a resource everyone regardless of experience can read and learn. I think this thread is unique and thanks to Lit and the rest of us for becoming object lessons.
Drunker Irish posted this warning on the DC board, and I think it's worth reposting here.
[url]http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/sugar-daddy-extortion-578452[/url]
[QUOTE=Bunker Buster; 1730903]Drunker Irish posted this warning on the DC board, and I think it's worth reposting here.
[url]http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/sugar-daddy-extortion-578452[/url][/QUOTE]Every SB I now enter negotiations with will be receiving this link. This way they know any blackmail or extortion attempts against me, could find themselves with the FBI at their door and possibly facing 20 years in prison. Too many of these girls think they can make serious threats without any risk or repercussions.
I feel bad for that guy, but the story is a blessing to SDs everywhere. Use it to scare off psychos and to keep the normal girls in line.
[QUOTE=John G Smith; 1730913]Every SB I now enter negotiations with will be receiving this link. This way they know any blackmail or extortion attempts against me, could find themselves with the FBI at their door and possibly facing 20 years in prison. Too many of these girls think they can make serious threats without any risk or repercussions.
I feel bad for that guy, but the story is a blessing to SDs everywhere. Use it to scare off psychos and to keep the normal girls in line.[/QUOTE]A similar thing happened to me at the very start of my career in the Bowl. Luckily, I was under deep cover, and there was no way the baby could find my real identity, but I did have a few days of doubts and fear. It ended when I told her she should do what she wanted, but so would I. What I was doing, seeking babies while married might be frowned upon by polite society, but what she was threatening was a felony, and I would be contacting the police. Fortunately, I had not sent her any compromising pics beyond a selfie head shot, and maintained my secret identity, but still, it was a frightening episode.
Happily it did not deter me from future exploits! Imo, this guy appears to have done two things wrong - exposed his true identity, and sent her money without ever getting her in the FC. This no doubt gave her the idea that she could get the cash without any effort in other ways.
Maybe we could draft a "Ten Commandments for SDs" list of things that should never be done, i.e. Thou shalt not reveal thy true identity, Thou shalt not use personal or corporate credit cards. Any more?
[QUOTE=F Scott; 1730998]A similar thing happened to me at the very start of my career in the Bowl. Luckily, I was under deep cover, and there was no way the baby could find my real identity, but I did have a few days of doubts and fear. It ended when I told her she should do what she wanted, but so would I. What I was doing, seeking babies while married might be frowned upon by polite society, but what she was threatening was a felony, and I would be contacting the police. Fortunately, I had not sent her any compromising pics beyond a selfie head shot, and maintained my secret identity, but still, it was a frightening episode.
Happily it did not deter me from future exploits! Imo, this guy appears to have done two things wrong. Exposed his true identity, and sent her money without ever getting her in the FC. This no doubt gave her the idea that she could get the cash without any effort in other ways.
Maybe we could draft a "Ten Commandments for SDs" list of things that should never be done, I. E. Thou shalt not reveal thy true identity, Thou shalt not use personal or corporate credit cards. Any more?[/QUOTE]Thou shalt not pursue those desperate enough to threaten you.
Thou shalt not meet a potential SB without doing your upfront research on her. Facebook, twitter, email, tin eye, google image search. Anything you can use to confirm she is who she says.
Thou shalt not use a personal or corporate cell phone. Get a throwaway phone or Google Voice.
Thou shalt not use your personal email address. Create an email address used strictly for SB's. I recommend Gmail or Hushmail as they make it harder to trace your IP address. Not foolproof at all, but beyond the capability of most SB's.
Thou shalt not use your home or business for meetings.
Thou shalt not provide sugar before meeting.
Thou shalt not leave your wallet unattended with a SB.
Thou shalt not continue a relationship with a SB who does not live up to her end of the arrangement.
Thou shalt not go raw.
Thou shalt not fall in love.
[QUOTE=Bunker Buster; 1730903]Drunker Irish posted this warning on the DC board, and I think it's worth reposting here.
[url]http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/sugar-daddy-extortion-578452[/url][/QUOTE]I have undergone 3 extortion experiences. Unfortunately, a long term SB will determine your I'd if she is motivated to do so. Fortunately I was able to resolve them with minimal financial exposure.
This guy must have taken a stupid pill for 1) sending naked pics and 2) giving money, $7000 no less, to a stranger
There were some commentary and appreciated. I figure I should share my thoughts to the following. Just some quick background.
I have had SB's for about 10 yrs. Some a couple mths but several for 1yr or more. The longer ones were exclusive.
[QUOTE=LikeMike1963; 1715669]Ok. For those that prefer a longer term situation a few questions.
1) How much a month do you provide as a stipend not including any extras.
I have ranged between 800- 2000.
The highest paid was the very hot. Also the least reliable. Lasted 6 mths. Decent in bed.
My best SB ever is current. 1.5yrs. We initially agreed on 600 mth. But I always do some extras for her. We have taken trips. Sorta a PT GF. And yes. I am emotionally attached but know when she finishes school she will return to her home state. But she is a straight "A" student. Is on an athletic scholarship. When we met. She wanted to focus on school and with training and competing her time is limited. We see each other 6-10x a mth. Often sleep overs. She has stayed in my house alone. I am 26 yrs her senior. She is 23. I am 49. But I am in decent shape and decent looking. She is a solid 7. Cute. 5' 5".110lbs. And as mentioned is athletic so fit. She is the least expensive SB and by far the best. She lives on campus (full ride) about 45. 60 min away. So close. But not too close. LOL. We are exclusive. I am confident as she is very busy and always willing to make time to meet my schedule. She is a great girl and will be missed one day.
2) If you do extras / gifts. What do you usually do?
Gas cards. Spa gift cards.
3) How do you handle the cash part. Direct deposit. Cash in hand. With what frequency. Weekly. Monthly?
I have never just handed my SB cash. May place in an envelope and stick in her purse. Or have left on a counter. Never have done the pay per time. Has been in allowance for. From 2-4x a mth. The longer term ladies were by a prepaid visa that I would load 2x a month.
4) Do you require sexual exclusivity from your SB (or at least like being lied to about it. LOL) [/QUOTE]If we last more than a few mths. Yes.
Hernando and Golf, thank you. Many excellent contributors have made this thread what it is. I discovered a fuel additive that made it fun to race my 1955 Chevy around the track a few times; pretty soon others showed up driving 'vettes, aston-martins, ferraris and an occasional Bugatti. Today we have a real spectator sport.
Extortion: Wow, thanks for the article. Who would have thought the fbi could be an sds best friend?
Ten (more or less) commandments based on "trial and error" method of learning aka the hard way:
1. Empty pockets of every identifying scrap of paper and leave wallet in locked glove compartment in the car, enter FC with only the car key, cash, condoms, antibac, mouthwash, tooth brush and paste, locked cell phone, and a few nondescript clothes to hang in the closet.
2. Park car on other side of hotel from room.
3. Never accompany sb to hotel bar and leave her there alone, she will find out all about you from the bartender or, at a minimum, run a tab on your room number.
4. Never let the girl keep your room after you leave it.
LM63,
Yours sounds like a successful pattern. You do not appear to be a married gentleman, which is a big advantage in this business. It is interesting to learn how the sb / sd relationship can work when the security risks are reduced. Very much like a regular GF.
Thou shalt not write anything down in such a manner that your SO can find it.
Thou shalt not save any unused condoms for "the next time". Condoms are cheap, divorce is not.
Thou shalt keep a "clean" car, with all identifying papers locked away in a location of thy choosing.
I like Lit's admonition to empty pockets. I have done this many, many times when meeting babies in the FC for the first or second time, or even at the first M&G. Not that I think the baby would pin me down and empty my pockets, but the procedure puts me in the correct mind set. I would add a corollary: When on the road, thou shalt conceal all identifying materials in the room safe, or under thy bed, especially when thy baby is spending the night.
Whenever I am faced with an issue regarding secrecy or security, this is what I think:
Ask thyself, what would Jason Bourne do?
More?
Scott
LM,
I really appreciated your Q&A and read it a couple of times. I too am in a pretty good situation with a SB that is on retainer. And I wonder about a couple of things.
Have any of your LT SB's ever hit you up for extra cash?
Ever had a long term baby that was cash strapped and hurting, not a Nando 1 just someone who is going through a hard time?
If so how do you handle it?
So far this has not happened but I want to be prepared in case. Do you refuse, or just give it to them, or ignore them?
How about the reverse. Have they ever tried to skimp on service after getting their retainer?
Once again this has not happened to me yet. Mine has been very good about it. She even made herself available when she was on her period and sick to boot. Told me it was my decision. I took that as a high quality woman right there. So we just ended up hanging out in the FC, laying in bed and talking. It was pretty good.
You mentioned gifts, how about birthdays? Just give them cash?
Do you have any tips for heading any of these issues or other potential issues off as opposed to responding after the fact?
I want to learn from your deep experiences. I did not even know that this world existed before January.
But I am liking it right now.
(guilty) Thou shalt not pursue those desperate enough to threaten you.
(always do this as much as possible) Thou shalt not meet a potential SB without doing your upfront research on her. Facebook, twitter, email, tin eye, google image search. Anything you can use to confirm she is who she says.
(I have a phone just for the girls) Thou shalt not use a personal or corporate cell phone. Get a throwaway phone or Google Voice.
(I always use a disposable email address) Thou shalt not use your personal email address. Create an email address used strictly for SB's. I recommend Gmail or Hushmail as they make it harder to trace your IP address. Not foolproof at all, but beyond the capability of most SB's.
(guilty) Thou shalt not use your home or business for meetings.
(not guilty) Thou shalt not provide sugar before meeting.
(not guilty) Thou shalt not leave your wallet unattended with a SB.
(there are some grey areas here)(just booted one after 4 chances to make good, she wanted a fifth chance. LOL) Thou shalt not continue a relationship with a SB who does not live up to her end of the arrangement.
(guilty) Thou shalt not go raw.
(happened once, huge mistake) Thou shalt not fall in love.
[QUOTE=Revvo; 1731355]LM,
Have any of your LT SB's ever hit you up for extra cash?
Ever had a long term baby that was cash strapped and hurting, not a Nando 1 just someone who is going through a hard time?
If so how do you handle it?
Do you refuse, or just give it to them, or ignore them?
How about the reverse. Have they ever tried to skimp on service after getting their retainer?
Once again this has not happened to me yet. Mine has been very good about it. She even made herself available when she was on her period and sick to boot. Told me it was my decision. I took that as a high quality woman right there. So we just ended up hanging out in the FC, laying in bed and talking. It was pretty good.
You mentioned gifts, how about birthdays? Just give them cash?
Do you have any tips for heading any of these issues or other potential issues off as opposed to responding after the fact?[/QUOTE]1) cash strapped & asking.
This is a sticky wicket. It all depends on how long you have known her, care for her, can afford, and trust her. If you pony up then you should consider the $$ a gift because you are not likely to see it again. At the very least use it as an advance for future services, either to increase your visit frequency or deduct from future sugar. I recommend not doing it and stick to the deal unless you have her on a very low retainer and consider her worthy of a raise.
2) How to refuse a loan?
To paraphrase our friend SubCmdr, be up front and say "Fuck no!" (Sorry Cmdr LOL) Or Lie like I would do and say you can't afford it because your wife won't give you any more allowance. I did this twice for Nando 1 s doind a "deal" that they would deliver later. Both stiffed me. We SDs need to be on the "stiffing " end.
3) non performance.
If you read a week back I reported such a thing with my HCB. She was on her period and did not feel good so did not take care of business for me. I nicely told her later how disappointed I was and she seemed to get the message. This is untenable since it is such an integral part of the "deal" I recommend addressing this up front in the making of the deal. Girls have periods every fucking month and some won't perform and some will. Get it straight. My former ATF HCB took care of me no matter what. My current has this one strike, so we will see if she learned her lesson. I don't pay to hang out with a cute girl. I think a freebie is good if she doesn't want to perform but likes your company.
4) gifts.
Cash is always appreciated but if you know her well then they love jewelry. I bought my former ATF HCB jewelry. I would take her on shopping trip to her favorite jeweler and give her a price range and let her pick 3 or 4 things that she liked. I would then call later and pay. If the SB is new to you Cash is good. If she is cash strapped then cash is good.
Anyone have a suggestion for a performance contract? This is "a little" tongue in cheek since we never want evidence out there but it is an exercise never the less in assuring that we get what we need / want. Perhaps to just use as a talking point.
This is to certify that the following arrangement is make between the party of the first part and . Flesh it in and remember the salient details when you are discussing the points you would like to cover. Sugar for sex is pretty evident but how about issues like sickness, periods, etc? If intercourse is not desired what is the expectation?
I got a question for the brotherhood. I know some of you always suit up, but there's also a group of us that just can't help going raw. So I wanted to ask those in the latter group, how do you exchange STD tests discretely? How do you give a SB a test that has enough satisfactory information while still maintaining your deep cover? Seems like you have to reveal your real name because if the std test doesn't match your sugar name, she's going to think it's fake.
So how do you guys handle this situation? I plan on still going raw with certain SBs but I want to have exchanging tests as part of the normal routine. STDs still aren't fool-proof, but at least I'll know if she was clean 3-6 months ago.
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy; 1731754] (guilty) Thou shalt not pursue those desperate enough to threaten you.
(always do this as much as possible) Thou shalt not meet a potential SB without doing your upfront research on her. Facebook, twitter, email, tin eye, google image search. Anything you can use to confirm she is who she says.
(I have a phone just for the girls) Thou shalt not use a personal or corporate cell phone. Get a throwaway phone or Google Voice.
(I always use a disposable email address) Thou shalt not use your personal email address. Create an email address used strictly for SB's. I recommend Gmail or Hushmail as they make it harder to trace your IP address. Not foolproof at all, but beyond the capability of most SB's.
(guilty) Thou shalt not use your home or business for meetings.
(not guilty) Thou shalt not provide sugar before meeting.
(not guilty) Thou shalt not leave your wallet unattended with a SB.
(there are some grey areas here) just booted one after 4 chances to make good, she wanted a fifth chance. LOL) Thou shalt not continue a relationship with a SB who does not live up to her end of the arrangement.
(guilty) Thou shalt not go raw.
(happened once, huge mistake) Thou shalt not fall in love.[/QUOTE]Only once did I hook up with a potential SB who was desperate enough to threaten me. Sometimes you just don't know. The really spooky ones seem perfectly normal until they fly off the handle. This one wanted hush money and threatened everything. At first it was sympathy for her financial plight and that she would kill herself if she didn't get a lot of sugar pronto. That turned ugly when the requested sugar was not delivered immediately and she threatened everything from having her male buddies make me wish I were dead to cutting off my junk herself.
Your advice on protecting your identity is very wise. In addition to all of the things you mentioned, keep all the personal information in your vehicle locked up (registration, insurance, etc.). Also, if you use a hotel when you get together with your SB, by all means try to use no-tell motels where they are happy to get paid in cash and do not ask for identification. It isn't as nice as the Four Seasons but the luxury of the room isn't worth the hassle if a crazy SB goes on the warpath trying to track you down.
For those who have been following my recent experiences, you'll remember that I notably got burned by my Collegiate SB. Basically I treated her like the futures market and gave her a decent amount of money only for it to never pay off. Things were progressing until she flat out said she didn't find me attractive enough to sleep with after giving hints earlier that she did. Needless to say things ended right then and there, and I didn't give her a penny since.
Even still, she's still texted me maybe about once a week or so to say hi. I was cordial but didn't really engage in much conversation beyond the pleasantries. Part of me wanted to tell her to just shove off, but with the benefit of some sugar bowl experience, the other part of me reminded me that they almost always come back.
And indeed she did. I got a text message yesterday from her and she flat out said she would sleep with me if I gave her money for a trip this weekend (I'm guessing it probably would have been 100. 150ish). I was pleasantly surprised because like I said this girl is a certified 10 and she's a pretty high profile athlete at her college. But I still was cautious, while she was very close I could sense she wasn't quite over the edge yet. I played it cool and basically asked her some follow-up questions, which caused her to rethink and change her mind for now. And I was fine with that. She wasn't desperate enough. Even if she went through it, I could tell she probably would just lay there and close her eyes. But I want her to get desperate enough to where she knows she has to work for it in the bedroom and she'll feign enthusiasm. Once she has the right frame of mind, my bedroom skills will take care of the rest. So she's not quite there yet, but she's inching ever closer. And as we talked further, I found out she has even more expenses coming that she just found out later in the day. So she could ripen in just a few weeks time for a quality FC visit, but we'll see. She's know too that I refuse to give her a penny until after I've banged her, so she now knows what time it is. I've already made my investment, now I'm just waiting to see if it ever pays off.
Just goes to show that if you're a gentleman and a girl gets used to receiving money from you (whether you've banged them or not) , they almost always come back eventually. That's why unless the girl was a danger, I always leave the door cracked open when things end or don't work out. The second time around the girl almost always has a much better (and realistic) attitude.
I have notes below. Just FYI. I am currently not married but work / travle alot so yes that is an advantage. But I have been married and had SB's at that time.
[QUOTE=Revvo; 1731355]LM,
I really appreciated your Q&A and read it a couple of times. I too am in a pretty good situation with a SB that is on retainer. And I wonder about a couple of things.
Have any of your LT SB's ever hit you up for extra cash?
Sure. They were not around for LT. LOL. I may give them one chance but if they keep coming back. They are gone. And if they are going to ask for more. It will happen soon in the game.
Ever had a long term baby that was cash strapped and hurting, not a Nando 1 just someone who is going through a hard time?
I have not. Maybe ahint or two. Like wanting to visit family over the holiday etc. So thats vaild to me. And that is what happened.
If so how do you handle it?
See above.
So far this has not happened but I want to be prepared in case. Do you refuse, or just give it to them, or ignore them?
How about the reverse. Have they ever tried to skimp on service after getting their retainer?
If they did. Guess what. They are not going to be a LT SB. I mean their are exceptions. Like people really do get sick. Or maybe something extra with practice or school came up but the good ones always make up for it!
Once again this has not happened to me yet. Mine has been very good about it. She even made herself available when she was on her period and sick to boot. Told me it was my decision. I took that as a high quality woman right there. So we just ended up hanging out in the FC, laying in bed and talking. It was pretty good.
Yeah. I have done that too. But generally ask for a trade. Ill give yo a massage and you can help me relax.
You mentioned gifts, how about birthdays? Just give them cash?
Usually an actual gift. Maybe a gift card. Spa trip. Victoria secret. (that usually ends up benefiting me too. LOL)
Do you have any tips for heading any of these issues or other potential issues off as opposed to responding after the fact?
I actaully invest time in my search for a LY SB. As mentioned. This is the best SB I have ever had over 10 yrs. If I was 20 yrs younger. I'd try to keep her. Haha. By investment. I mean that I make it clear that the first few times we meet will be in public and I have no expectations and just meet for dinner etc. And I follow through. If I like her the first time we meet I may give her a gift card of some sort. $50. And do so as we meet the next couple times. If we are actaully meeting I have already discussed some system with them as to how I plan to help them such as a prepaid charge card that I will add too every couple weeks. This is the protocol I use if I think she has potential as a LT SB. If they start talking about how much cash. When etc. Then they are more likely pro or semi pro. By best SB's never asked and they were news. So I woudl set the stage and they were happy.
I want to learn from your deep experiences. I did not even know that this world existed before January.
Enjoy. I have met dozens and dozens of girls to only get a couple reaaaaaaaly great ones. But the chase is fun too!
But I am liking it right now.[/QUOTE]
Sorry fo ral the typos and a couple grammar errors. It was early and I did not reread.
[QUOTE=LikeMike1963;1731969]I have notes below. Just FYI. I am currently not married but work / travle alot so yes that is an advantage. But I have been married and had SB's at that time.[/QUOTE]
Mike,
You should try multi-quoting to format your answers better. The way it is now, it appears that Revvo said all of that. See below or see Lit's post here.
[url]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?9746-quot-Sugarbabies-quot-quot-Arrangements-quot-Amateurs-or-Not&p=1727294&viewfull=1#post1727294[/url]
To see what I mean. It's pretty easy, just cut and paste the QUOTE and End QUOTE markers in the places you want to answer and use the preview report function to make sure it looks how you want it before posting. Just a friendly suggestion.
[QUOTE=LikeMike1963;1731969]I have notes below.[/QUOTE]Your notes are in Revvo's quote.
[QUOTE=LikeMike1963;1731969]Just FYI. I am currently not married[/QUOTE]Being single makes the SD game easier.
[QUOTE=LikeMike1963;1731969]but work / travle alot so yes that is an advantage.[/QUOTE]See what I mean.
[QUOTE=LikeMike1963;1731969]But I have been married and had SB's at that time.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=LikeMike1963;1731969]I actaully invest time in my search for a LY SB. As mentioned. This is the best SB I have ever had over 10 yrs. If I was 20 yrs younger. I'd try to keep her. Haha. By investment. I mean that I make it clear that the first few times we meet will be in public and I have no expectations and just meet for dinner etc. And I follow through. If I like her the first time we meet I may give her a gift card of some sort. $50. And do so as we meet the next couple times. If we are actaully meeting I have already discussed some system with them as to how I plan to help them such as a prepaid charge card that I will add too every couple weeks. This is the protocol I use if I think she has potential as a LT SB. If they start talking about how much cash. When etc. Then they are more likely pro or semi pro. By best SB's never asked and they were news. So I woudl set the stage and they were happy.[/QUOTE]This is a dignified and well thought out procedure which obviously works for you. It's got to be better for the baby than the rapid fire, fast penetration followed by abandonment attacks many of us specialize in. Yours is not my thing, because I don't want that kind of involvement, but I certainly respect it. However, I'm curious how you handled the security risk while you were married.
I shouldn't have used the word attacks in my last post. I don't practice or approve of any kind of non-consensual sexual activity. Rapid fire sugary seductions is what I like.
[QUOTE=John G Smith;1731929]I got a text message yesterday from her and she flat out said she would sleep with me *** I could sense she wasn't quite over the edge yet.[/QUOTE]By the time you finally agree to fuck this poor girl she will be so eager she may break your dick off, so watch out. Nice self-discipline, JG.
I'm considering going for a live-in arrangement with an SB. I have a few things working for me for this type of setup:
1) No spouse / girlfriend, or people that come over who I'd be scared to know I have an SB (my friends all monger also, but they focus on trip-mongering)
2) Very little of value in my home since I practically live at the office (most expensive thing at home is a blender-I'm a bit of a minimalist)
3) I'm relatively young for this scene.
What do you guys think of a live-in arrangement?
Thanks for the lesson Spitfire. It will make my post more legible.
[This is a dignified and well thought out procedure which obviously works for you. It's got to be better for the baby than the rapid fire, fast penetration followed by abandonment attacks many of us specialize in. Yours is not my thing, because I don't want that kind of involvement, but I certainly respect it. However, I'm curious how you handled the security risk while you were married. QUOTE]
When I was married. I engaged a bit more into the semi rapid fire mode (3-6mth SBs) but did eventually settle on a regular SB. I then as now work and travel a fair bit so it would be "hey hon". Ill be late tonight. Or I have an overnight. I was fortunate in that I had a friend who let me use his house. FYI. NONE of these babies knew my real last name etc. My bud traveled alot too so schedules were ok to work out. Even if we crossed paths. The story was that he was a friend who traveled for work alot but came to my hometown so I would put him up (in his own house. Hahahah. Hey. These are the basic SBs. They usually had a BF so only moderately interested in me and my personal biz. But I used another friends industry as my own job when talking so I was reasonably knowledgeable and could speak the language if questions came up. But yes. 4-5 steps of cover. They say when your getting your pilots liscense to fly high enough for 3 mistakes. I try to use that lesson in most of my lifes endeavors. And no my divorce was not because I got caught. She never knew. But I was not married long. 5 yrs
I always kinda wanted to be a secret agent..... oooor am I?... muuuuaaahhhhaha
LikeMike,
Thanks for all of the great answers. I am following in your path on the LT SB one at a time. Taking my time with her and it is working out great.
But a couple of other questions.
1. Did you keep a bench going as backup or did you just play with the one? I am torn on this one since the bench makes for a lot more work. But you get the benefit of an abundance mentality.
2. What would you say was the most important thing in not getting caught by your wifey? For me so far is that my wife is not the jealous type. But then I encountered a fucking crazy be* scammer that almost blew everything. Now I am on the radar.
What is the quality of your LT Babies?
Revvo
[QUOTE=Wnde8; 1732155]I'm considering going for a live-in arrangement with an SB.
What do you guys think of a live-in arrangement?[/QUOTE]Think hard about this decision Bro. I would only do that if she was a real girlfriend and you know everything about her. She will know all about you including where to find you.
I understand the temptation but when you tire of her or want variety then how do you get her out? It might not be easy and she will have something on you.
Bad idea, she will no longer be an SB. She will be a live in girlfriend, and they are hard to get rid of!
[QUOTE=Wnde8; 1732155]I'm considering going for a live-in arrangement with an SB. I have a few things working for me for this type of setup:
1) No spouse / girlfriend, or people that come over who I'd be scared to know I have an SB (my friends all monger also, but they focus on trip-mongering)
2) Very little of value in my home since I practically live at the office (most expensive thing at home is a blender-I'm a bit of a minimalist)
3) I'm relatively young for this scene.
What do you guys think of a live-in arrangement?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Wnde8; 1732155]I'm considering going for a live-in arrangement with an SB. I have a few things working for me for this type of setup:
1) No spouse / girlfriend, or people that come over who I'd be scared to know I have an SB (my friends all monger also, but they focus on trip-mongering)
2) Very little of value in my home since I practically live at the office (most expensive thing at home is a blender-I'm a bit of a minimalist)
3) I'm relatively young for this scene.
What do you guys think of a live-in arrangement?[/QUOTE]Think about this carefully. Example, she moves in, you get along great for a couple months. Then, she calls the police and says you assaulted her. She will have squatter's rights after a certain time, so they will put YOU out of your own house and she gets to stay until the matter is resolved by a judge. She can spend that time destroying your house and stripping it of anything of value.
[QUOTE=Wnde8; 1732155]I'm considering going for a live-in arrangement with an SB. I have a few things working for me for this type of setup:
1) No spouse / girlfriend, or people that come over who I'd be scared to know I have an SB (my friends all monger also, but they focus on trip-mongering)
2) Very little of value in my home since I practically live at the office (most expensive thing at home is a blender-I'm a bit of a minimalist)
3) I'm relatively young for this scene.
What do you guys think of a live-in arrangement?[/QUOTE]I have lived with multiple SB's. Serious background check is required. Any kids, X's, drug use, did they graduate HS, do they want to work or are they in college, any prior live in experience, do they have a lot of friends, and on and on. I have a live in now and she is cool. Very hard to find. With zero drama
[QUOTE=Spitfire;1732437]Think about this carefully. Example, she moves in, you get along great for a couple months. Then, she calls the police and says you assaulted her. She will have squatter's rights after a certain time, so they will put YOU out of your own house and she gets to stay until the matter is resolved by a judge. She can spend that time destroying your house and stripping it of anything of value.[/QUOTE]I don't know that I agree with the example but I agree it's easier to get a woman in than to get her out.
[QUOTE=Spitfire;1732437]Think about this carefully. Example, she moves in, you get along great for a couple months. Then, she calls the police and says you assaulted her. She will have squatter's rights after a certain time, so they will put YOU out of your own house and she gets to stay until the matter is resolved by a judge. She can spend that time destroying your house and stripping it of anything of value.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Golfcart;1732821]I don't know that I agree with the example but I agree it's easier to get a woman in than to get her out.[/QUOTE]The key to a domestic violence conviction is evidence of physical assault. If the girl you are shacking up with calls the police on you, in most Jurisdictions you are going to jail! You will be arraigned and depending upon your criminal history and quality of your attorney you will either be OR'ed or given a bail amount.
In the interim, a truly devious girl is going to file a restraining order against you. Forcing you to stay away from her for a certain amount of days. The first one she gets a free shot. Judges are not going to say no just in case you really are as fucked up as she says you are. But on request of renewal, if you are truly a fine upstanding citizen, that just likes to pay girl's to fuck you, she will not be able to maintain it. And you will be able to return to your home.
During this time your case will usually be referred to the investigating arm of 5-O. This often includes a request for a very uncomfortable interview with the POLICE in which you have to decide to reveal the true nature of the relationship with your live in girl. Or take the 5th. I always recommend taking the 5th. At the conclusion of this process the local prosecutor will decided if they want to file charges against you.
This is all governed by the laws of your state where you are shacking up with the girl. Now all bets are off if you like to slap your garden tools and kick them in the butt to let them know you mean business. Non consensually of course. (Mr. Lit, disclaimer not withstanding I bet you slapped a girl on occasion, but I digress). So, a hour with a divorce or criminal defense attorney may be money well spent.
Over all this a situation that is not unique to having Ho's live with you. Any women that you live with that gets tired of you fucking her, may begin to start fucking you. It's just that it gets a lot more complex when it is a ho you are paying to fuck.
[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;1728836]There are problems and issues with getting tail no matter what.[/QUOTE]Watch your ass mother fuckers or get it handed to you!
P. S. And for you inquiring mind type of mother fuckers out there. Yes! This happened to me! With the most expensive girl I have ever fucked in my life. My first wife (LOL)!
1. Always take care of home first.
2. Have a normal routine where you have alone time (I. E working out, trips, visiting relatives / friends). Work your SB time in with normal activities.
3. Use non-traditional hours for SB time. I've been finding that many just love the 9am-12pm Tiggabounces.
4. Always answer your phone or call back within 10 mins. Also have some times when you are in the house with spouse and she calls and your phone is accidentally on silent. That will come in handy later.
5. Always think in advance about red flags that you could send off and go out of your way to do the opposite.
6. Keep a normal routine at home and a normal routine of affection, compliments and sex with spouse. What ever that routine is, just keep it.
7. Be very careful with your money. I have my own green dot. Also, make it a habit of getting $20-$40 cash back when making purchases. Put those to the side, it can add up quickly and will not raise suspicion.
8. Date your wife, keep her happy.
[QUOTE=Revvo; 1732377]LikeMike,
2. What would you say was the most important thing in not getting caught by your wifey? For me so far is that my wife is not the jealous type. But then I encountered a fucking crazy be* scammer that almost blew everything. Now I am on the radar.
Revvo[/QUOTE]
#CLHottie (22) : Had to let her go. After one month and seeing her only twice. She has some deep seated self-sabotage / self hatred issues. I've never seen any this bad off. Even with opportunities to make her immediate situation better, she chose to stay in the middle of drama and emotional upheaval. It quickly turned out not to be any fun or panties being dropped. That experiment is over.
#MsSuccessful (37) : Had to let that go. Her situation changed and it really required for us to make some changes. I could still be with her, but I'd either have to cut back on getting sex at the same pace or lie to her about being exclusive. So that's out.
#20YearOldDCHottie: Had lunch with a new prospect. She's a senior in college. African American, about 5'2, beautiful skin, great smile and just the most wonderful DDs. She reminds me of my other young hottie, only much smarter. My my my she's a cutie. Not sure it's going to turn out to be much. She's not sure she can go through with it. She does not want any funds. Her boyfriend is "away" and she'd like a distraction. She's never done this before and even though our dinner was fun and engaging, I could see her still struggling with her decision. She's agreed to take it one date at a time.
#MsLatinNympho (35 years old) : We've text or email every day. I'll probably be seeing her next week or the week after.
#MsOxymoron (29 years old) : She back in the saddle and we now have a standing date once a week. ($ each meeting). I got to pay for the hotel.
#MsYoungHottie : (22 yrs old) Saw her last night briefly. She's not the brightest, but dayum she's sexy! So she's been very easy to please and very easy to impress. This is a person who thinks $35 a day to rent a car is a lot of money. Just with the phone calls and emails and the small amount of funds I've sent. She's totally committed and being exclusive. She does not drive, does not have a car, lost her job and in school. She was venturing into Nando 1 territory, but she's taking my help to not go over the edge. This seems like it's going to be a great investment. The sex was great and she's gotten more and more comfortable. So now I'm getting really "good" pictures and tons of priority. She just lives so far away.
#MsBusiness (24) : Met a young AA Entrepreneur. She's is a mix of cute and pretty. Not quite as beautiful as some others. She is by no means petite. But if you like the shapely non-fat women, then she is classified as "smokin!". It was so bad I just had to compliment her on her back side when she was walking away. Absolutely amazing. During lunch, responding to my question, she said her minimal expectation was $2500. I did not choke on my steak, but kept the conversation going. At the end of lunch I thanked her and told her that she was out of my range. Amazingly she was negotiable as long as I didn't expect her to be exclusive. So we cut a deal between 600-800 per month. Since she has her own place, if this works out for the both of us, I'll have to drop someone else.
#MatureBigBooty (37) : Exchange pics and emails with 37 year old from AM. She is good looking, but her butt is actually a little on the big side. However everything else is very much in order, does not seem to have much of a belly. She was clear, she's looking to have some good experiences and get in some good screwing. She's single. We are schedule to meet on Sunday.
My BigButt beautiful friend from down south is flying in next week. And my six foot DD friend is flying in next month (I'm much shorter than 6 foot).
BigTigg.
"I'd rather have a 6 three times than a 10 once"
"I'd rather have a 6 three times than a 10 once"
I couldn't of said it better my brother. RESPECT!
[QUOTE=BigTigger; 1732921]1. Always take care of home first.
2. Have a normal routine where you have alone time (I. E working out, trips, visiting relatives / friends). Work your SB time in with normal activities.
3. Use non-traditional hours for SB time. I've been finding that many just love the 9am-12pm Tiggabounces.
4. Always answer your phone or call back within 10 mins. Also have some times when you are in the house with spouse and she calls and your phone is accidentally on silent. That will come in handy later.
5. Always think in advance about red flags that you could send off and go out of your way to do the opposite.
6. Keep a normal routine at home and a normal routine of affection, compliments and sex with spouse. What ever that routine is, just keep it.
7. Be very careful with your money. I have my own green dot. Also, make it a habit of getting $20-$40 cash back when making purchases. Put those to the side, it can add up quickly and will not raise suspicion.
8. Date your wife, keep her happy.[/QUOTE]Excellent tips. We need more of these. We've talked recently about being in deep cover with SBs, but we haven't talked much lately about the effort and care needed to maintain your "normal" life and keep it separate from your covert activities.
I'll just add that a gym membership is your best friend. And get a gym membership which has multiple locations if possible. Not only does the gym give you some regular "off-the-grid" time (I always leave my phone in the locker when I'm working out) but you have a reliable place to shower if necessary. It also doesn't set off alarm bells when you're packing a change of clothes with you and leaving the house with a travel bag. In your gym / travel bag always carry the exact same soap and shampoo. This way your FC visit can very easily mimic a gym workout. Women are very sensitive to smells, so if you use the same soap and shampoo at the FC as you would the gym, then to the SO you'll smell like you just came from the gym.
Also as Tigg said, have regular outside activities whether it's friends or even just taking a local community college class. And when you do those things even legit, don't gab too much about your activities to the SO. Aside from a few random anecdotes, try to establish the pattern with your SO that your time is your own and keep the summaries of your activities brief. If you're having to fabricate too many events in detail, eventually you're going to get your stories or details mixed up. It also minimizes the chances of contradictions from external forces if you keep things brief and vague. In general try to weave your lies as close as possible to the truth.
One more thing, I always be careful when meeting a SB who lives more than a hour from you. The distance can be good for discretion, but if you're driving 100 miles north, but you're telling the SO that you're actually 100 miles south or that you're in town, then you have to be extra careful with your trip. Don't get a speeding ticket. Make sure your car has been serviced recently. Know how to change a flat tire. Avoid parking tickets. Basically try to avoid situations that will leave you stranded or leave evidence that you were 100 miles away from where you suppose to be. It's also wise to check the weather, traffic, news of where your SO thinks you really are. If some guy tried to jump off a freeway bridge that brought traffic to a standstill, you better know about it.
That's why I actually avoid lying too much about my location because too many things can go wrong for exposure. So if I'm meeting a SB 100 miles north of me, I'll tell the SO I'm visiting a friend within a 25 mile radius of that location. This way if something unexpected happens, it's much easier to explain. As I said, I go by the principle of weaving lies as close as possible to the truth.
I forgot, the one thing missing from Tigg's list which I think is probably the second biggest vulnerability (the phone being the biggest) is your computer. You MUST secure your computer at all times. Don't ever use the family computer ever for SB activities. Only use your personal computer and make sure it's password protected and locked down when you're not around. When using it, don't use the default browser. Firefox and Chrome are getting even more popular so I would probably avoid those too. Use something like Opera which your SO won't recognize or know how to use. Don't use the save password function in the browsers. The vast majority of SO's get solid proof of infidelity from phones and computers. We use those things so much that it's easy to get sloppy. But at the same time try to keep the dirt buried in your computer deep enough, so your SO could check her Facebook on your computer without you having a nervous breakdown in front of her. Randomly offer her to look up something on your computer (in a controlled environment of course). This way she doesn't think you're trying to hide something.
[QUOTE=Golfcart;1732821]I don't know that I agree with the example but I agree it's easier to get a woman in than to get her out.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't have thought of it except for an article in the local paper about the exact same situation, although that situation had nothing to do with SD / SB arrangements. It was crazy!
My limited experience has been pretty good. I just got back form a new hookup today. Was scheduled to see one of my regular SB today. Got text from her last night saying that today may not work because of a babysitting issue. Now this girl is a single mom and a solid 8 on any scale 5'7" 130lbs 22 yrs old. I meet her 2-3 times per month and give her 125 and pay for the hotel which is another 55-60. Then we have about 2 hours of fun. Multiple holes and she is into it too. She is a stripper. Very hot. She is NH SB1.
Anyway, she couldn't make it today so I contacted one of the other gals in her area. Met her for coffee. Talked about what each of us were looking for. I told her I was comfortable with 125 per meeting. She explained that she wasn't an escort."Of course you're not I said. If I was looking for an escort I'd be looking in a different place. I'm looking for someone I connect with and make it a regular arrangement." 3 minutes later she asked me if I liked her?"yes, you're cute and sexy" she suggested a nearby motel. 23 yrs old 5'4" 120 lbs and hot. I knew she was only available time wise for a one pop meeting. Very fun. What would I have paid for an escort about the same for this meeting. But we talked at the end and I mentioned that next time she should plan on 2-3 hrs of fun. She said that sounded good. Today's baby below (image 123) in bra garter set.